A decade is a long time [Archive]

Cadaverous Pallor

11-13-2009, 10:57 AM

Saw this (http://technology.todaysbigthing.com/2009/11/12?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily) and thought it'd be a good conversation starter.

Ten years ago, GD and I were living in our first apartment in Stanton. We had APs but since MousePad didn't exist yet, we hadn't met any of you. We were thick in with our raving friends, having amazing experiences near the end of '99. For NYE Y2K we were back at the Rose Parade, for the coldest, rainiest time ever, ending in a pretty scary riot situation.

It would be another year and a half before the raving faded and our times with you guys would begin.

Strange to think I've been an adult on my own in the big world for over 11 years.

Moonliner

11-13-2009, 11:01 AM

Awww....

I will add that your next two decades will go by way way way too fast.

Take lots of photos/videos and be sure to include the two of you in some of them. Eventually he'll be going to a costume party and want to see how you two dressed back in the day.

flippyshark

11-13-2009, 11:33 AM

Oh my, Moonliner is so right. The last 20 years of my life have been a speedy blur, and I'm having some major midlife re-evaluations right now as a result of seeing just how fast this journey actually goes.

From an outside and far away view, the two of you are in such a wonderful place in the boat ride of life, so please savor it. And, as ML said, document it!

(Full disclosure, I'm working on a musical piece called "Boat Ride of Life" right now, so that phrase was close to hand.)

innerSpaceman

11-13-2009, 11:57 AM

Yes, it's so quaint to hear of young people who feel a decade is a long time. Hahahahahaha. In less than two more, they'll be watching the decades FLY by.

Of course, my particularly addled mind doesn't really recall 1999 all that well. I think a lot happened in the, for lack of a better term, MillenniO's ... but culturally was a wash. That's not to say that cultural technology was a wash ... there's been amazing progress and touchstones in that arena. But style, fashion, music, and pop culture seems ... admittedly without the benefit of hindsight ... to have no super-discerning qualities such as typically characterized all but the final decade of the 20th Century.

Is the new millennium the age of MEH?

Cadaverous Pallor

11-13-2009, 12:15 PM

Is the new millennium the age of MEH?Only for you, babe. ;) As I've said a million times before, ask a teen or 22 year old what's changed in the last decade, and they'll tell you what an amazing, life-changing era it's been.

innerSpaceman

11-13-2009, 12:25 PM

Well, tell me. I'm not talking about what's changed. I'm talking about the ... wow, I don't know the word for it. The essence that would let you have a theme party for the 20's, the 30's, the 40's, the 50's, the 60's, the 70's and the 80's ... but, and I say this as a MASTER of the theme party, NOT for the 90's or the Millennium to date.

an iPhone tuned to a facebook page is NOT the makings of a theme party. What am I missing?

Amazing change has taken place through ALL those decades I just listed. I don't think change has accelerated any more recently than its speed when I was born half a century ago. It's just different things that are changing. Maybe it's the technological flavor of recent change that makes it seem different or faster than past change.

sleepyjeff

11-13-2009, 12:55 PM

Yes, it's so quaint to hear of young people who feel a decade is a long time. Hahahahahaha. In less than two more, they'll be watching the decades FLY by.

So true.

For a 10 year old a year lasts 1/10 of his reality.

For a 40 year old a year only takes 1/40.........

For a 60 year old a year only takes 1/60, practically a blink of the eye.

This is why Christmas keeps coming earlier and earlier each year....because our population is an aging one.

This is why when you look in the fridge of someone over 70 there's certain to be at least one food container with a use by date from the last Olympiad.

This is why older drivers go so slow....to them they're flying.

This is why I am not the least bit jealous of those who live into their 100's.....those last couple of decades must have flown by so fast that perception wise they really didn't live much more than a few weeks longer than someone who only made it to 85;)

BarTopDancer

11-13-2009, 12:56 PM

that was really good.

Gemini Cricket

11-13-2009, 12:57 PM

I think it's awesome that I've known several people here for almost 8 years.
:)

innerSpaceman

11-13-2009, 01:23 PM

Having lived through 5 decades now, I'd have to say the one with the most change ... or seeming change that never quite fulfilled its promise ... was the Sixties. I think, though it didn't go far or fully enough, culture and society changed in that decade more than any ten before or since.

And I didn't even have any other decades to compare it to at the time, but I felt in my soul a gladness over so many people waking up about religion, our political system, war and peace, racial justice, and so much more.

Though the giant leaps forward in those areas achieved during that small 10-year span have only inched forward since, I think that decade's progress has had the most impact on our lives today ... and really marks a dividing point in Before and After in American life and consciousness.

And though I think the Millennio's is a prime candidate for Best Technological Improvements ... I don't think the 60's was any slouch in the tech department. Certainly science and exploration has seen nothing like the Moon Missions in the intervening 40 years. Yes, computers, cellphones, the internet, and the cool devices that combine it all make our individual lives so incredibly enriched as we approach 2010 ... but is mankind more technically advanced for those inventions than it was for reaching its planet's moon as we approached 1970?

I'm really glad time seems to flow slower when you're young. The 60's lasted a good, long time for me. As my favorite decade, that seems a nice reward. :cheers:

BarTopDancer

11-13-2009, 02:17 PM

I think it's awesome that I've known several people here for almost 8 years.
:)

I'm trying to remember when MP started. I think I met everyone in 2002. I've known BE since 1997. :eek:

Strangler Lewis

11-13-2009, 03:04 PM

I think the theme party for this decade would involve feverishly checking various devices to see if some other decade was trying to hook up with you.

Cadaverous Pallor

11-13-2009, 03:18 PM

MousePlanet was around long before, but MousePad started the same time DCA did, I believe - February 2001. I joined in August of that year.

Regarding the distinctive decades discussion, we've already beaten this debate to death in another thread not too long ago (which I'm too lazy to look up) but for me, a 1990's party would be very easy to throw.

Grunge, MC Hammer and LL Cool J and C&C Music Factory, Pop Tarts and Bagel Bites, a "coffeehouse and bagel shop" with open mic poetry...throw in a little Bush Sr/Clinton White House and you're set.

I can spout some things off the top of my head that made this last decade distinctive...Emo, Backstreet Boys/Britney Spears, Reality TV, Dubya, Harry Potter....but it's still too soon.

innerSpaceman

11-13-2009, 03:27 PM

Hey, CP ... I forgot to mention how much progress was made with Women in America in the 1960's. If you were your age now in a time before that, you'd be de facto chattel.

But without the clue of Clinton on the tube at the party, I wouldn't know I was at a '90s party if I walked into that scene. Pop Tarts? Really? :p

Ghoulish Delight

11-13-2009, 03:29 PM

Just because you're too old to have participated in the decade's cultured doesn't mean it didn't exist.

Deebs

11-13-2009, 03:45 PM

Grunge, MC Hammer and LL Cool J and C&C Music Factory, Pop Tarts and Bagel Bites, a "coffeehouse and bagel shop" with open mic poetry...throw in a little Bush Sr/Clinton White House and you're set.

Thanks for these 90's reminders, CP. I was coming up blank, thinking about how that decade would be themed. Grunge, duh. And C&C Music Factory, how could I forget that? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b714Wi4CDsQ) But wait, Pop Tarts? I ate those when I was little. And that sure wasn't in the 90's. :blush:

Cadaverous Pallor

11-13-2009, 03:49 PM

Hey, CP ... I forgot to mention how much progress was made with Women in America in the 1960's. If you were your age now in a time before that, you'd be de facto chattel.To think that everything changed overnight because of one decade is ridiculous. :rolleyes: Yes, there were strides made in the 60's. They laid some groundwork for the bold women of the 70's, the career women of the 80's...

There have been a lot of jokes about the Boomers not being able to get over the 60's. Everyone dramatizes the era when they discovered themselves. I grok the 90's, because I was THERE, I was paying attention. To call your own precious time periods somehow more interesting or more important than mine, or those of today's kids, is shortsighted and lame.

Seems your latest gig is insulting anyone who isn't you. Let me put this in your old-timey terms - You're being a downer.

However much I love my own coming of age, at least once a week I say something along the lines of "I am so glad to be alive in today's age." I may not have the time of a high-schooler to study the exact nuances of what's up today, but I can appreciate the march of time, the urge to see what's around the bend, and oh yeah, living NOW.

Anyway - anyone else have anything they want to say about the last decade, the changes, the time gone by?

innerSpaceman

11-13-2009, 03:55 PM

Grunge? Saying Grunge is 90's is like saying legwarmers is 2000's. Just because something is rehashed in a decade does not make it the culture of that decade.

And I think I picked the most defining element of what most consider 90's culture. But so-called "grunge" music is pretty indistinguishable from generic rock, and plaid shirts are hardly a defining fashion statement.

But, in deference to CP and GD, I will grant that the Rave Scene is pretty much an identifiable cultural touchstone of the '90s, and if I went to a party that was a Rave, I would think I was in a '90s' theme party!

If I went into a coffee house where people were wearing plaid and speaking poetry into an open mic, I would think about 4 decades earlier. :p

* * * *

More in line with what I think the OP had in mind, I'm reminded of the phrase, "The More Things Change, the More They Stay the Same." With a number of decades under my belt, I don't think there's too much difference between now and 10 years ago ... though of course the particulars are completely different.

Life, however, is pretty much the same. I think post-child-raising years tend to become same-like. CP is precisely on the opposite end of that equation ... and, I daresay, about to find out what a difference 10 years can REALLY make. OMG, KIDS!!!! They grow so fast, you can practically watch it happen!

Alex

11-13-2009, 04:10 PM

I think what iSm is trying to say is "whippersnapers get off my lawn!"

innerSpaceman

11-13-2009, 04:18 PM

Saying I like the Beatles is not putting down any other band.

Get over it. Saying the 60's was great and, yes, even unique is not putting down other decades. Sheesh. I did, however, say poor stuff about the 90's and the 2000's in that I think the usual markers of culture have been indistinguishable from some generic median.

Perhaps there hasn't been enough time distance to determine what those markers might be. But I believe I could recognize something "80's" by about 1993.

And I specifically said lots of decades, most I didn't even live through, had recognizable style. That doesn't mean I'd like to live in 1937, just that it had cool artifacts.

I wouldn't even like to live in 1966. I've always liked the current time just fine. 2009 is just as glorious as 1999. The decade flew by for me only slightly faster than that 7-minute YouTube video that led this off.

But please point out where I insulted anyone. That was not my intent, and I don't believe I did that anywhere.

Cadaverous Pallor

11-13-2009, 04:19 PM

Grunge? Saying Grunge is 90's is like saying legwarmers is 2000's. Just because something is rehashed in a decade does not make it the culture of that decade.

And I think I picked the most defining element of what most consider 90's culture. But so-called "grunge" music is pretty indistinguishable from generic rock, and plaid shirts are hardly a defining fashion statement.Wow. I think this speaks for itself.

I can see how this works. It's like how I look at the 80's inspired sounds of today's music and think "it's just the 80's again". Mostly because I was there, in the 80's. But for someone born in 1991 (now of voting age) this music is it's own thing.

More in line with what I think the OP had in mind, I'm reminded of the phrase, "The More Things Change, the More They Stay the Same."Agreed, but this observation gives me the ability to understand why kids today will value these years as much as I valued mine and you valued yours. Because I'm old enough to understand that grunge was highly inspired by 70's rock (Kurt Cobain always called his music punk), I'm MORE accepting of the new generation holding bands like the Killers up as representative of 80's inspired, yet distinctively 00's music.....not LESS.

If I went into a coffee house where people were wearing plaid and speaking poetry into an open mic, I would think about 4 decades earlier. :p Yup, you're right, you're way too old to appreciate it. When you don't get your invite to my 90's party (probably another 10 years from now, when it's sufficiently old enough to be awesome), you'll understand, right?

I think post-child-raising years tend to become same-like. CP is precisely on the opposite end of that equation ... and, I daresay, about to find out what a difference 10 years can REALLY make. OMG, KIDS!!!! They grow so fast, you can practically watch it happen!I dig this as well, and can't wait to see the world through my kid's eyes.

mousepod

11-13-2009, 04:30 PM

I remember having a conversation with Heather a while back about "millennial fashion". She explained to me (in a more articulate way than I'm about to say) that while every new fashion movement draws from the past, the trends that occur around the turn of the century are invariably more of a "borrow" from very recent past as well as other times in recent memory. I guess this doesn't surprise me - whenever there's a "landmark" date, we tend to spend a lot of time looking backwards.

This "instant replay" makes it easier for people like iSm to argue that there's not much to distinguish the past couple of decades, and for CP to associate Pop Tarts with the 80s. You're both right, of course.

For someone who's spent more than 20 years around the music business, I can honestly say that most "new music" in any decade is retro crap, and that the cream sometimes takes a long time to rise to the top, or at least for the masses to recognize it. Sure, to some ears, the Grunge scene sounds like generic 70s rock, but I'll bet that 46 years ago, there was an iSm complaining that Dylan was totally indistinguishable from the folk that came before him and that The Beatles were just ripping off American R&B. And he would have been right.

SzczerbiakManiac

11-13-2009, 04:38 PM

I'm sure I'm the worst possible person to suggest this, but CP I think you're being a little hard on iSm. I don't understand why you think he's attacking/insulting anyone. I just re-read all his posts in this thread and I didn't see him attack anyone. Curmudgeonly, sure, but not offensively so IMO.

flippyshark

11-13-2009, 04:42 PM

As I take a quick break from working on music that probably rips off Leonard Cohen, Frank Zappa and The Residents, among many others, I admit that I long ago gave up trying to figure out how to make sure my own tunes sounded new or now. I just hope something like my own voice emerges somewhere along the line.

BarTopDancer

11-13-2009, 05:24 PM

MousePlanet was around long before, but MousePad started the same time DCA did, I believe - February 2001. I joined in August of that year.

I think I joined around the same time and met people at a pot luck in 2002. I was just talking about that with MickeyD - pretty sure it was early 2002.

a 1990's party would be very easy to throw.

that 80s party was easy, I'm sure a 90s one would be easy as well. It's fresh in the brainz.

Grunge, MC Hammer and LL Cool J and C&C Music Factory, Pop Tarts and Bagel Bites, a "coffeehouse and bagel shop" with open mic poetry...throw in a little Bush Sr/Clinton White House and you're set.

Anyway - anyone else have anything they want to say about the last decade, the changes, the time gone by?

The beginning of the "casual culture" where jeans are dressy and dresses aren't.

A slightly tighter reign on running around until the lights came on as crime became more prominent (not necessarily more crime, but with cable news it was easier to hear more crime more often).

Ghoulish Delight

11-13-2009, 06:10 PM

My favorite NPR music program, All Songs Considered, is doing a series of decade retrospective episodes. The first one is here (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120182047). Mind you, it's majorly skewed to the NPR perspective, which means a lot of indie-pop, out of the mainstream stuff, so it's not the most complete picture. But the do spend a lot of time on general cultural trends and trends in the industry vs. specific music, at least in this first episode. Plus, it's worth it just for the last 20 seconds or so where they start spewing all the things they didn't get a chance to talk about. A lot of, "Oh yeah, THAT!" moments :)

The host, Bob Boilen, decided to pick an artist that exemplified music that could only have come from this decade. He went with Animal Collective and I couldn't agree more with that choice. While no music can claim complete independence from their predecessors and influences (surely they owe a huge dept to Radiohead, just to name one off the top of my head), Animal Collective I think synthesized all of it into something uniquely Millenial. YMMV, but the track is on the page linked above if you'd like a listen (7th track down).

I definitely feel more connected to this decade over any other. Surely the next decade is going to be a radical change for me as a person, but that's independent of the cultural environment. As a matter of fact, in all likelihood, despite the increased importance in my personal narrative the next decade will undoubtedly represent, I imagine I'll find myself more removed from the cultural narrative than in any other decade as my focus will be largely inward.

Beardy bands, social networks, an explosion of partisanship, a complete sea change in how the public consumes media, a complete sea change in how the public produces media, the seeds of an important civil rights movement, the death (or at least the beginning of the long convalescence) of the printed newspaper. Just to name a few. Whether I can think of witty party decorations to represent what I feel about the last 10 years couldn't be any more irrelevant to me. I find it far more relevant that I can have an real time conversation with someone from just about any part of the world than whether I can guess what year's design of jeans someone is wearing.

innerSpaceman

11-13-2009, 06:15 PM

You may have a culturally-removed decade, but that will be followed by a culturally-immersed decade - as your child begins to really be influenced by and explore the then-current cultural milleau.

It all balances out.

Alex

11-13-2009, 06:20 PM

Is being able to be easily summed up as a caricature for a theme party a sign of depth or shallowness?

But, in a point I believe I may have made in the other recent thread where we had this exact same discussion (apparently in deference to the fading memories of the elderly among us, we are putting conversations on a shorter repeat cycle), one essential component of the last 15 years that defines it while making it hard to define is that technological changes allowed for the complete fracturing of popular culture, which is what we all tend to use when it comes to the attaching shallow labels to an era (for example, to immediately set a movie in the late sixties a movie is going to play one of maybe a dozen songs).

Yes, everybody was different on the fringes but there were still only 3 TV networks so 100 million people watched the MASH conclusion and it was the same Top 40 nation wide so even if you were into something a little different you still couldn't help but consume it. Today's youth, though, I think will be way more fractured in the past without so many broad pop cultural reference points and that is itself very much a defining element of a new era. But it makes for an impossible theme party.

SzczerbiakManiac

11-13-2009, 06:25 PM

Beardy bandsAs in facial hair? Was that a trend in the aughts? (I don't follow popular music, so I honestly have no idea.)

innerSpaceman

11-13-2009, 06:27 PM

Yes, everybody was different on the fringes but there were still only 3 TV networks so 100 million people watched the MASH conclusion ... Today's youth, though, I think will be way more fractured in the past without so many broad pop cultural reference points and that is itself very much a defining element of a new era.

Could that be why (perhaps) the defining moment of the Millenio's is Nine Eleven (apart from, ya know, the way the political, wartime, and constitutional worlds were radically affected for years afterwards)?

And fractured or not, doesn't something in pop culture have to achieve some measure of big success for most people to catch on to it? It think there will always be those things that stand out via catching on. Lady Gaga comes to mind currently. Sarah Palin. Some things break through the clutter.

But it makes for an impossible theme party.
I happen to think Nine Eleven has the makings of a wonderful theme party. But I'm notorious for offensively bad taste. (Not to be confused with me being a terrorist.)

Ghoulish Delight

11-13-2009, 06:34 PM

As in facial hair? Was that a trend in the aughts? (I don't follow popular music, so I honestly have no idea.)
It was, particularly in the NPR/Coachella circle of popular music. Fleet Foxes, My Morning Jacket, Man Man, Devandra Banhart, Iron & Wine, Band of Horses, just to name a few.

Cadaverous Pallor

11-13-2009, 07:09 PM

I think Alex found the real root of the problem - fractured culture.

And mousepod is right - everything is derivative.

And yes, we've had this conversation before.

I don't understand why you think he's attacking/insulting anyone.Really? Well if you don't see it then reposting his posts won't help. I've had enough of this anyway...

BarTopDancer

11-13-2009, 08:11 PM

I happen to think Nine Eleven has the makings of a wonderful theme party. But I'm notorious for offensively bad taste. (Not to be confused with me being a terrorist.)

I distinctly recall some displeasure expressed at the 9/11 theme when that idea was was being tossed around for a party.

9/11 theme is not one I can or would get upset about. I can't, I was one of the people who thought it would be sick, twisted and done.

I know country gets a bad rap around here, but Brad Paisley has a really good song that fits in here called Welcome to the Future. You can watch the video here (http://www.cmt.com/videos/brad-paisley/428157/welcome-to-the-future.jhtml). It's country-rock. I hope you guys will take a listen and really hear the lyrics.

If you can't bring yourself to watch one CM Video the lyrics are here (http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/paisley-brad/welcome-to-the-future-27652.html).

SacTown Chronic

11-13-2009, 08:15 PM

Todd, the baby of the family, turned 12 last weekend. Let me tell you, Mother-to-be, a decade is a very short time in a parent's life. A very short time indeed. You'll find out soon enough.

But yeah, feels like I've known you people forever.:p

Gemini Cricket

11-13-2009, 08:43 PM

My favorite NPR music program, All Songs Considered
Hippie!

:D

lashbear

11-13-2009, 09:14 PM

I joined MP 10/10/2002 !

We'v got a great TV reality show at the moment called "Electric Dreams" where a family's house is 'reset' to 1970 and every day it's updated with new technology for that year, so Mon = 1971, tues = 1971, wed = 1972 etc. It's really very interesting watching the march of appliances and gadgets, as well as the size of the house, ensuites appearing etc.

Funniest quote so far - from sometime in the 80's - Father is trying to load a game onto a computer from a cassette-deck, and he says "so far, I've spent 4 years trying to get this to work..."

Gemini Cricket

11-13-2009, 09:20 PM

I joined MP on 05-23-2001.
I just looked it up.
Haven't been online there in a long time...

Ghoulish Delight

11-13-2009, 09:23 PM

Hippie!

:D
No, no, Hipster.

There you go, it's the decade of the hipster. As defined on Cash Cab, a 20-something who listens to indie music and wears ironic t-shirts.

Not Afraid

11-13-2009, 10:15 PM

What the 90's meant to me is MUCH different to what the 90's meant to someone who was coming of age in that decade. Likewise, the 60's to me are all about toys, food, spacemen, and Tang with bits of world events sneaking into the picture. If you were 10 years older than I am, your references are a whole lot different. If you wern't born yet, your knowledge comes from a distillation of a stereotype or two.

The older you are the more personal references you have to the past - and oftentimes the more knowledge you have.

I've got a decent knowledge of music and I often hear music that is completely derivative of something I hated in 1982. Less often do I hear something current that is completely derivative of something I LOVED in 1982.

While my memories of the last few years may reference Coachella, Lucent Dossier, Walt Hall, and Mac and Cheese most people won't have the same 4 items on their list (or even know what I'm talking about!).

lashbear

11-14-2009, 07:27 AM

Hehehe - did we cause Mac & Cheese phobia, or fond memories? ;)

BarTopDancer

11-14-2009, 09:54 AM

€uroMeinke

11-14-2009, 12:07 PM

9/11 was certainly a defining point in this decade - so much of our day to day life was changed by it, we travel differently, security checkpoints at public events and places, my work is a lot less open, etc.

The impact of technology can't be ignored either - electric guitars made the sounds of the 60s & 70s as synthesizers made the 80's, and sampling made the 90s.

Music-wise, I think "polyphonic" is the trend as bands started to expand well beyond the 4-piece. I'm thinking Arcade Fire, Spiritualized. Even the one-man outfits like Beck made virtual clones of themselves in the studio to create that multi-layered sound - or Koop, who created an album from samples and then assembled a band that could play those pirated recordings live in an audio collage made real.

Art, or painting seems to have been influenced by the graphic elements of Anime and graphic novels, with subjects appearing like cartoons in a belend of sinister meets kawaii.

Fashion this decade has taken a retro look as I see a pallet pulled from the 70s with it's oranges, yellows, and browns, though the bright lime green/chartreuse seems to be a dominant color of this decade. I'm happy to see the return of the fedora, made cool with a narrow brim and use of woven materials instead of felt (and glad the trucker hats predominant earlier in the decade seem to be on the decline). Earlier in the decade women showed off their bellies with hiphugger jeans, and it seems pajamas are no longer just for sleeping.

But all this stuff is on a continuum and I'll be curious to see where it goes.

flippyshark

11-14-2009, 12:30 PM

Dang, I was thinking of buying a fedora. I'm 44. Am I too old?

Deebs

11-14-2009, 12:35 PM

Dang, I was thinking of buying a fedora.

:snap:

I'm 44. Am I too old?

No. Buy one. And wear it!

€uroMeinke

11-14-2009, 12:47 PM

Dang, I was thinking of buying a fedora. I'm 44. Am I too old?

No, just look at William S. Burroughs - fedora are ageless cool now

Strangler Lewis

11-14-2009, 03:20 PM

No, just look at William S. Burroughs - fedora are ageless cool now

Is he back? I knew he was too medicated to stay dead.

Ghoulish Delight

11-20-2009, 08:40 PM

The Decade's 50 Most Important Recordings (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120326033#list)

Not that any list like this is indisputable, but this is a good place to start if you want to start getting a handle on the decade's music. The list covers a lot of ground; pop, r&b, classical, indie rock, jazz. It includes as mainstream as Kelly Clarkson, and as obscure as Burial.

If anything, it's been fun having my memory jogged. Stankonia!

mousepod

11-23-2009, 10:09 AM

blueerica

11-23-2009, 01:38 PM

Haha, haven't read the list, but I've been on a Stankonia kick as of late. Hmmm...

€uroMeinke

12-28-2009, 01:45 PM

Another way to view the decade:

http://8.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kvcv4m59iA1qz6f9yo1_500.jpg
Larger image here (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/12/27/opinion/28opchart.html)

flippyshark

12-28-2009, 02:43 PM