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SacTown Chronic
11-17-2009, 08:20 PM
What Gerhart did to the USC defense (and Oregon's the week before), give him the Heisman or charge him with capital crimes. That fourth quarter was nasty. He's averaging 140 yards and 2 touchdowns per game and has produced at a higher level than Tebow, McCoy, Clausen, or Ingram.


So, should he win it? Probably. Will he win it? Probably not.
blueerica
11-18-2009, 08:41 AM
You never know about Gerhart for Heisman, but I think McCoy will end up with it, for some reason. Tebow and Ingram have had more impactful years prior to this, plus there was that whole concussion thing that kinda made Tebow play like a pansy for 1/3 of the season. Not that I blame him.

And Clausen... Clausen who? ND has been a joke for way too long for his name to even be in that list, and I really don't think he's that good.

Oh, sidenote... WTF is up with NBC, playing every single one of their wretched games, and then replaying them Sunday, and putting it on their Universal HD during the week. Watching it once is bad enough, but having to pass it throughout the week makes me shudder.
SacTown Chronic
11-18-2009, 06:36 PM
I agree that Clausen shouldn't be on the list but you know the national media...If a guy plays QB at Notre Dame and can walk and chew gum at the same time, Superstar!
Stan4dSteph
11-18-2009, 07:28 PM
:D
blueerica
11-19-2009, 10:58 AM
I agree that Clausen shouldn't be on the list but you know the national media...If a guy plays QB at Notre Dame and can walk and chew gum at the same time, Superstar!

Quotable.
Jazzman
11-20-2009, 12:49 AM
With what Gerhart has been doing, he should definitely be at the top of the list, but it'll most likely go to Tebow or McCoy.

I like what Jim Harbaugh had to say about the Heisman.

"Seems like a little bit of the Heisman is a lot of preseason hype, maybe it's 50 percent preseason hype, maybe it's 25 percent playing on the undefeated team and about 25 percent what they actually do."

That pretty much sums it up for me as well. The Heisman has become the Nobel Prize of college football.
Ghoulish Delight
11-20-2009, 08:12 AM
But that doesn't leave any % points for the kickbacks from the NFL for giving it to the player who will be most marketable come draft time.
SacTown Chronic
11-20-2009, 08:26 AM
The Heisman has become the Nobel Prize of college football.Obama's going to win the Heisman, you say? That guy is amazing!
scaeagles
11-20-2009, 09:16 AM
He's up for a Pulitzer and a Grammy, too.
blueerica
11-20-2009, 09:18 AM
With what Gerhart has been doing, he should definitely be at the top of the list, but it'll most likely go to Tebow or McCoy.


I highly doubt it will go to Tebow. Despite what a fangirl I am about the Gators... I just don't see it happening.
Strangler Lewis
11-20-2009, 10:47 AM
But that doesn't leave any % points for the kickbacks from the NFL for giving it to the player who will be most marketable come draft time.

List of Heisman trophy winners (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Heisman_Trophy_winners)

Disagree. I think the Heisman trophy has taken on a "who's kidding who" quality over the past few years.

Going back 20 odd years, I think Tim Brown makes the Hall of Fame, but nobody else. Looking at the past ten years, only Carson Palmer is having a quality career.
Ghoulish Delight
11-20-2009, 10:56 AM
I'd agree with your assessment...if I'd said "most likely to succeed in the NFL". But that's not what I said. I said "most marketable come draft time." And pretty much every name on the list in the last 10 years fits that description, as evidenced by the fact that someone like me, who barely pays attention to college football, knows all of those names despite, as you point out, having next to no NFL success.
Strangler Lewis
11-20-2009, 11:04 AM
Jason White wasn't drafted. Troy Smith was drafted in the fifth round. As for Tebow, I think NFL teams are more likely to nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize than anoint him their number one guy.
Ghoulish Delight
11-20-2009, 11:10 AM
So we agree. Pretty much every one of them (9 out of the last 12) has been a marketable name with questionable credentials as talented players.
SacTown Chronic
11-20-2009, 11:33 AM
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Al Davis uses a high first round pick on Tebow next year.
Strangler Lewis
11-20-2009, 12:20 PM
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Al Davis uses a high first round pick on Tebow next year.

Prompting Raider nation to trade in their rubber-spiked Road Warrior shoulder pads for angels' wings.

And the team would still suck.
scaeagles
11-20-2009, 12:21 PM
Why? Jemarcus Russell is working out so well for them!
Ghoulish Delight
11-20-2009, 12:24 PM
Does it really matter whose passes Hayward-Bey is dropping?
blueerica
11-20-2009, 04:21 PM
I wonder what Tebow would be like at something sort of fullback-ish...
SacTown Chronic
11-24-2009, 10:50 AM
I think Gerhart needed a Rose Bowl trip to have any chance of winning. Oops. Maybe Notre Dame's defense will win it for him this weekend much like they did for Carson Palmer a few years ago.
blueerica
11-24-2009, 01:59 PM
Gerhart looked phenomenal this weekend.
Jazzman
11-24-2009, 04:59 PM
I think Gerhart needed a Rose Bowl trip to have any chance of winning. Oops. Maybe Notre Dame's defense will win it for him this weekend much like they did for Carson Palmer a few years ago.

Sadly, I think you're right. It's too bad, the Heisman isn't supposed to be tied to records and bowl games and team hype and all that. As much as I love my Ducks, I have to say that Gerhart has emerged as the premier athlete in PAC-10 football and should be at the top of the Heisman voting. Maybe he'll run for 500 yards against the Irish and get his shot!
Jazzman
11-29-2009, 12:05 AM
205 yards and three touchdowns, plus a thirty three yard reception. If this kid doesn't get the Heisman, there is no justice in the world.

By the way, how incredible is it that this guy is simultaneously chewing up the football field and taking twenty one credits, including college calculus, and will graduate next month? Amazing young man. Hope he enjoys a long and successful pro career.
SacTown Chronic
11-30-2009, 10:33 AM
You forgot to mention Gerhart's touchdown pass. What a riveting performance. The amazing thing was how effective the play-action fakes to Gerhart were. Notre Dame was clearly committed to stopping Gerhart and he still ran them ragged.
blueerica
11-30-2009, 02:09 PM
Related to my thoughts in Post #2 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/michael_rosenberg/11/30/charlie.weis.firing/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+rss/cnn_topstories+(RSS:+Top+Stories))

But, I don't think I found him remotely likeable until this stupid article. WTG.
Jazzman
11-30-2009, 03:23 PM
You forgot to mention Gerhart's touchdown pass. What a riveting performance. The amazing thing was how effective the play-action fakes to Gerhart were. Notre Dame was clearly committed to stopping Gerhart and he still ran them ragged.

Duh, I totally did, didn't I? :eek: Yeah, that was pretty awesome. Not only did he make the completion, but it was actually a rather decent pass.

I'm still amazed at his performance. Sadly, the pundits are already downplaying it (easy to run it up against Dame's defense, etc) in what can only be a preemptive strike to pave the way for giving the Heisman to Tebow Christ again. Blah. (I can't wait for the Pigskin Messiah to graduate into NFL obscurity) I say Gerhart or nothing!
Stan4dSteph
12-01-2009, 11:53 AM
Vote for Toby in the ESPN poll (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank?versionId=15&listId=363#topOfList)!
blueerica
12-01-2009, 12:25 PM
Seriously, does anyone really believe that Tebow's going to get the Heisman?

My money's on McCoy.
Stan4dSteph
12-04-2009, 01:49 PM
The Case for Toby Gerhart (http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/5981/the-case-for-toby-gerhart) (ESPN PAC-10 Blog)
Ghoulish Delight
12-06-2009, 01:29 PM
Did McCoy play himself out of contention with that clock management bungle (along with the 59:59 of ineffective play that preceded it)?
3894
12-07-2009, 10:09 AM
:D

Exactly.
blueerica
12-07-2009, 01:10 PM
Did McCoy play himself out of contention with that clock management bungle (along with the 59:59 of ineffective play that preceded it)?

Been thinking that since Saturday. If I had a vote, I'm swinging toward Ingram right now. He's the Juggernaut, b*tch!
Ghoulish Delight
12-12-2009, 12:46 AM
Odds makers are saying Ingram.
Strangler Lewis
12-13-2009, 12:42 PM
Congratulations to the NFL's Minor League Player of the Year.

In the spirit of things, I was curious if there actually was a Minor League Player of the Year for baseball. Turns out there is. I submit that the winners have actually had somewhat more success as pros than Heisman Trophy winners.

The list. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_America_Minor_League_Player_of_the_Year_A ward)