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Moonliner
06-14-2005, 04:33 AM
Here is the link (http://www.local10.com/news/4605237/detail.html)

Monorail Man
06-14-2005, 04:37 AM
Well, there goes that attraction. I knew that it wouldn't take that long for M:S to have a major incident. :(

Ghoulish Delight
06-14-2005, 08:11 AM
I wouldn't jump to any conclusions like that. I would not be surprised if an autopsy shows that this was yet another case of a latent blood clot in the brain, or something. As tragic as it is for the family, theme parks have yet to be held responsible for those kinds of undiscovered medical conditions over which they have no control.

Prudence
06-14-2005, 08:39 AM
Plus, there are so many warning signs in that attraction indicating just what sort of ride it is. There are so many signs that I expected it to be much worse than it was. It's more likely to be similar to the PoC death mentioned at the end of that link. Those happen all the time at various places. Lately we've had a rash of young students dying at athletic events from previously undiagnosed heart conditions and no one has proposed banning basketball or cross country events.

And if the g-forces are to blame, it will impact more rides than just this one. And more parks than just Disney.

Ponine
06-14-2005, 08:46 AM
I read about this jsut before I logged on to the lounge... so I didnt read your link, rather the one on CNN.

But I read that the child was treated 'after' he got off the ride. So that would not in fact make the parks liable for his condition, and since there have been others taken to the hospital in the past year, its not as if they didnt know it was a stressfull ride.

They will support the family, but I think that this will do nothing to close the ride for an extended time. (Though did anyone else think that this was a tall 4 year old?)

DisneyFan25863
06-14-2005, 11:02 AM
CNN said the ride was reopened, so thats good. I'm dying to ride it when I go to WDW next week.

Ghoulish Delight
06-14-2005, 11:06 AM
CNN said the ride was reopened, so thats good. I'm dying to ride it when I go to WDW next week.You MAY want to rethink your choice of words...

DisneyFan25863
06-14-2005, 11:15 AM
You MAY want to rethink your choice of words...


Haha, I didn't even realize that.


Ok, I have been seriously wanting to ride it.

Not Afraid
06-14-2005, 11:19 AM
How sad for the family! What a terrible experience for any parent to go through. I will be awaiting the coroners report to see what was the cause of the death.

Cadaverous Pallor
06-14-2005, 11:54 AM
This is really sad.

I've never been on the ride, but I have to ask, what was a 4 year old doing on it? I've heard it's pretty extreme.

Ghoulish Delight
06-14-2005, 12:03 PM
He met the height requirement, and there is no age requirement. I don't see why there would be a problem in that respect.

It's tragic, and you have to feel for the family, but as often is the case with these kinds of sudden ride deaths, I wouldn't be surprised to find that it was some random condition that could have just as easily been triggered by a sudden stop for a red light on the way home. Unless the ride was found to not be operating normally, I think you have to look at the thousands upon thousands of people (and even scores of young children) who have ridden and NOT died and conclude that this unfortunate child was the exception.

Not Afraid
06-14-2005, 12:14 PM
This is really sad.

I've never been on the ride, but I have to ask, what was a 4 year old doing on it? I've heard it's pretty extreme.

I have been on the ride and wouldn't call it extreme. As a matter of fact, I felt the warnings were extreme and caused more fear than the actual excitement of the ride. But, Disney has to CYA.

Some people have different reactions to physical strains on the body. For example, if you have a sezure disorder, you should not be riding MS. A boy this young may have had an undiagnosed condition that MS brought out. Or, perhaps the parent knew about the condition and took a chance. Let's hope this was not the case. More will be revealed, I'm sure.

mousepod
06-14-2005, 12:18 PM
When we rode M:S last December, we found the queue to be so rife with warnings and descriptions of how the ride works that it almost took us out of the feeling that the theming provided. Heather, who is much braver on theme park rides than I (particularly the "spinny" ones), almost backed out. Someone got sick in the capsule next to ours right before we boarded and the anticipatory fear forced another adult couple to bolt.

I agree the probability exists that the actual cause of death was some undiscovered preëxisting condition. Nevertheless, it's still a tragedy for the family, and will no doubt brand the wonderful attraction a "killer ride", which is unfortunate.

Prudence
06-14-2005, 12:43 PM
I hate the launching part of certain coasters -- like California Screamin' and so forth -- and with all the warning signs I almost didn't ride M:S. But I found that it was not at all what I was expecting and it was really rather interesting. Like science experiments where you set things on fire.

innerSpaceman
06-14-2005, 12:51 PM
I will make no assumptions till the lawsuit is settled, er, I mean, the autopsy report is issued.

Though likely an unknown medical condition, it's not out of the question for the ride to be too much for 4-year-olds in general, whether or not they are genetically freaky enough to meet the height requirement. I think having vomit bags available on the attraction is hint enough that this ride is not typical Disney.

The cynic in me (ok, the cynic in me which has almost consumed me) thinks that Disney is trying to "spin" (who could avoid such a pun?) this death in their usual liablitity-avoidance manner. News reports say the kid was "unresponsive" after being pulled from the attraction, but that's just Disneyspeak for "dead."

Ghoulish Delight
06-14-2005, 01:02 PM
Actually, the report said he regained consciousness once before being declared dead.

And there are vomit bags available on every commercial airplane. Does that make them extreme and inherently hazardous? No, it means people get motion sick. Heck, I'm mildly surprised that there aren't vomit bags on Star Tours. Even I get a tad queezey on ST if I've just eaten.

innerSpaceman
06-14-2005, 01:24 PM
I get queasy on ToT if I ride 3 times in a row. But where are the vomit bags on that?

Ah-ha! Then Mission Space is demonstrably and Disneyadmittedly more puke-inducing than even Tower of Terror, its heretofore most vomitous attraction!



- - And can anyone provide a link to a credible report of the child regaining consciousness post Space, pre-mortem? They are hounding me on that other message board I mod at to change the name of the thread (same name as this one by same O.P.).

Ghoulish Delight
06-14-2005, 01:34 PM
Dang, now I can't find where I saw that. I thought it was in the original link, but I don't see it.

Not Afraid
06-14-2005, 01:40 PM
I get queasy on ToT if I ride 3 times in a row. But where are the vomit bags on that?

Ah-ha! Then Mission Space is demonstrably and Disneyadmittedly more puke-inducing than even Tower of Terror, its heretofore most vomitous attraction!





I wouldn't be so sure about that. I've seen more post-ride pukes on the teacups than any other ride.

Perhaps, this questions should be addressed to the real persons of knowledge.....those who are called to an attraction for Code V.

CoasterMatt
06-14-2005, 06:36 PM
When I was in elementary school, a kid dropped dead on the playground after spinning on the merry go round - it was later determined he had a previously undiagnosed heart weakness. Mission: Space is a forceful ride, but the forces are applied for longer durations than most simple thrill rides.

CoasterMatt
06-14-2005, 06:38 PM
Mission: Space's exit area is also the only place at WDW with open topped trash cans :)

€uroMeinke
06-14-2005, 07:36 PM
So how long till they put a red spacesuit in the cue?

Not Afraid
06-14-2005, 07:39 PM
(I'm LOL and he's smirking like a bad kid - just so you know.)

Tref
06-14-2005, 10:30 PM
How devastating for the family. I can't imagine what they must be going through.

Stan4dSteph
06-15-2005, 06:43 AM
Initial autopsy reports are that there were no signs of trauma. Further information to be released after full autopsy is performed.

Gn2Dlnd
06-15-2005, 12:16 PM
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I've seen more post-ride pukes on the teacups than any other ride.

Perhaps, this questions should be addressed to the real persons of knowledge.....those who are called to an attraction for Code V.

As an ex-sweeper, I recall sprinkling "pixie dust" once in a teacup, once in a Small World boat, once in the hallway at Haunted Mansion, and numerous times in general walkway areas and bushes.

What a terribly sad situation for this family.

How much of a life to you need to get if you're arguing over the wording of a thread title on a Disney fan chat board?

Matterhorn Fan
06-15-2005, 07:15 PM
This was the leading story on the news tonight:Designer Questioned Mission: Space's Safety, Testing (http://www.wesh.com/news/4614321/detail.html)

(Derail: the phrase "the company hired personally by Michael Eisner" has me laughing. Talk about padding.)

Also, the tape of the 911 call was released: Story Here. (http://www.wftv.com/news/4611813/detail.html)

CoasterMatt
06-15-2005, 07:51 PM
Yeah, ETC - the company that failed to deliver on it's contract

Matterhorn Fan
06-16-2005, 11:03 AM
Anything for a scadalous story about Disney on the evening news around here.