PC Vs Mac

[NirvanaMan]

Mac's are like...totally gay. Or something

[wendybeth]

Lol! Them's fightin' words, for someone that cares, anyway.....

[mamabot]

Mac's are like...totally gay. Or something
Yeah, but then there is the whole issue of the iPod to contend with.

I must say, I love my iMac more than my Dell.

[NirvanaMan]

What iPod issue? iPod's work with both PC and crapMac.

[mamabot]

Yeah, I know. And you should see an iPod work with a BMW. Pretty cool.

[Stan4dSteph]

I'm loving my new G6 iMac. Very sleek, sexy design. Excellent operation. It's perfect for my needs. I've got a PC at work for all the boring stuff.

[Kevy Baby]

Nirvanaman has gay porn as his wallpaper

[Isaac]

Who doesn't ?

[Name]

/me raises his hand...."I don't"

[NirvanaMan]

Mac's look really really cool...sitting on a shelf.

Try using one and they are frustrating as all hell. Very cute, but the usability sucks. I think mac enthusiasts ignore the functional quirks cause they really really want to like the mac...even if it is a PIA to deal with. I really wanted to like them. I love the way they look. I love the way the OS does fancy cool wipes and the like, but can't get past the fact that they are more about style over substance..and anytime I want to get anything done, they frustrate the piss out of me.

[Stan4dSteph]

No frustration here, but perhaps I'm not doing what you're trying to do. I'm websurfing, chatting, emailing, listening to music and editing video.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Mac's look really really cool...sitting on a shelf.

Try using one and they are frustrating as all hell. Very cute, but the usability sucks. I think mac enthusiasts ignore the functional quirks cause they really really want to like the mac...even if it is a PIA to deal with. I really wanted to like them. I love the way they look. I love the way the OS does fancy cool wipes and the like, but can't get past the fact that they are more about style over substance..and anytime I want to get anything done, they frustrate the piss out of me.Meanwhile, back when I was an exclusive Mac user, that's what Windows was like for me. Things didn't make sense. It's just what you're used to. After I spent some time on Windows, I got used to it and the stuff didn't frustrate me any more. It's just different, and your brain gets hardwired with what you're used to. Stuff you think is "common sense" is really just acclimation.

And on the same token, there are some things that are far superior on the Mac side. Program files, for instance. A PC program consists of the executeable and any support files that are usually located in a directory in Program Files. But the there's dll's and registry entries that are beyond cryptic. It's so complex that you basically can't manually install or uninstall. One of those gets screwed up, you're toast. Mac programs, on the other hand, are exactly what they appear to be, a folder with all the files. The only other file is a preference file. Each program has one (sometimes two, but rarely) and it's located in the System Folder under Preferences. AND, even if you lose that file, the program just creates a new one with the default settings. No hidden files, no crazy-ass registry nightmares. Just drag and drop the folder, it's installed. Throw the folder in the trash, it's uninstalled. Heaven.

[Kevy Baby]

I'm loving my new G6 iMac. Very sleek, sexy design. Excellent operation. It's perfect for my needs. I've got a PC at work for all the boring stuff.pssst... The G6 is still in development. The G5 is the newest available. I have a G5 iMac at work and it is a rockin machine (albeit a bit noisy when the fan kicks on).

[NirvanaMan]

Eh I dunno about that. I've been hearing that for the past 6 months. I still hate the 1 button mouse (yes i know you can add aftermarket ones..but with a laptop ur screwed...and its freaking so behind the times) the way you launch multiple instances of programs, the constant lock-ups and crashes, etc....

They just drive me nuts. Which is unfortunate, cause they sure are pretty.

[Kevy Baby]

Meanwhile, back when I was an exclusive Mac user, that's what Windows was like for me. Things didn't make sense. It's just what you're used to. After I spent some time on Windows, I got used to it and the stuff didn't frustrate me any more. It's just different, and your brain gets hardwired with what you're used to. Stuff you think is "common sense" is really just acclimation.Since this thread has turned serious, I will have to agree wholeheartedly with this sentiment of GD's.

I've grown up on Macs (have used them almost exclusively since 1987). Currently I use a PC quite a bit at work and it has been a learning curve for me (I actually have two computers on my desk: a Wintel box from HP and a G5 iMac).

And independant studies consistantly give the usability edge to the Mac operating system. Main factors usually given are intuitiveness and learnability (assuming no previous computer knowledge).

And Macs are and always will be swankier.

[mamabot]

I must say that I have had fewer issues with my iMac than with any other computer ever. This things is impervious, save for one bad print driver from HP. My computer has crashed only a couple of times in three years.

Currently, I have eight programs open on my desktop with no evidence of a slow down in my machine. This iMac seriously rocks. And it is a very swanky machine.

http://www.yescns.com/graphics/imac.jpg

[Gemini Cricket]

Mac's are like...totally gay. Or something
My Mac's totally gay. I caught my monitor wearing a woman's hat the other day. I pulled it off and put it in one of my hat boxes. The next day, it was back on his head.
"I'm a faggot Mac," my computer told me.
"Can't you be more PC?" I asked.
"Okay, I'm an alternative lifestyle Mac," he said correcting himself.

[Scrooge McSam]

Try using one and they are frustrating as all hell.

My first network gig was setting up a bunch of macs back in the early 80s. Simple as pie, even then.

I'm a PC man, but I always hear how superior macs are in graphical applications. Since I'm a database guy, I never went to apple.

What do you use them for? Graphics/animation? Or something else?

[Kevy Baby]

Eh I dunno about that. I've been hearing that for the past 6 months.The G6? It may have been talked about, but there have never been any prognostications of its release by anyone other than pundits.

I still hate the 1 button mouse (yes i know you can add aftermarket ones..but with a laptop ur screwed...and its freaking so behind the times) The single button mouse is about ease of use. Actually ANY mouse is behind the times: a tablet is a much better input device. And I am not sure why one is screwed with a notebook (in regards to a 3rd party mouse): Apple has had USB on their notebooks for several years now.

...the way you launch multiple instances of programs...I'm not sure what you mean by this. If a program is open, it is open. The only difference about how things are handled differently than a PC is a program does not automatically quit if you close all the associated document windows - and even some Windows programs act the same way.

...the constant lock-ups and crashes, etc....The Mac operating system in place is a flavor of Unix - arguably the most stable OS around. Even before OS-X, stability was no worse than a similar vinatage windows machine.

Other than reboots for the occasional OS update, I have not turned my computer at home off since I bought it. Sure I get an occasional (rare) program hang that I need to force-quit (the equivalent of control-alt-delete), but I experience more on the PC I use at work. Much more. And I think the only product I experience this on are MS products.

They just drive me nuts.I would venture to guess that the single biggest challenge you have is lack of user experience and training on the Mac (mainly to be shown the differences).

Which is unfortunate, cause they sure are pretty.Yes, they are!

[Ghoulish Delight]

The G6? It may have been talked about, but there have never been any prognostications of its release by anyone other than pundits.He's talking about people saying he'd get used to it.

[Kevy Baby]

This iMac seriously rocks. And it is a very swanky machine.

http://www.yescns.com/graphics/imac.jpgMine's swankier! Neener!

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/688/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/productshot_imac2_0804.jpg

[mamabot]

Mine's swankier! Neener!

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/688/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/productshot_imac2_0804.jpg
My machine is quieter. :p

But the grand thing is that even though my iMac is a little over 2.5 years older than your iMac Kevy, my machine still runs like like it did the day it came out of the box. Well, I would say it runs better because it is 100% an OS X machine. :D

[Kevy Baby]

My machine is quieter. :pOkay, ya got me there!

[DisneyDaniel]

People who use Apple computers love the brand and its ease of use, power and productivity. Looks don't hurt, either. I'm one of those MacAddicts / Apple-lovers who use both Macs and PCs, but have decided a long time ago that Apple computers are far superior in meeting my needs (desktop publishing, graphics, photo and video editing, etc.). Our entire household proudly displays Apple stickers on all of our cars!

For you non believers, go visit:
http://www.apple.com/switch/

[NirvanaMan]

Gee..go to apple's website for an impartial view of which is better? That's like going to CBS for an impartial viewpoint of the 2004 presidential election. :D

This conversation got way too serious...my bad. I just needed to vent my mac frustrations. I have tried to be patient...but from using the Mac itself to using their idiotic software to quirks with the iPod (why no on/off button or a stop button) I have come to realize that the people that love them probably love them just to be different. A badge of honor. Kind of like unix geeks.

I run a 6 year old PC at home and typically multitask with about 20+ programs open at once....rarely ever run into an issue. I try to do two things at the same time on a stupid mac and the POS freezes up. I thought they were supposed to be more reliable and easy to use? Not in my book. Things that take one easy click on Windows take several clicks on a Mac. Annoying things like that.

Kevy - If you are on a laptop, and want to use it as a laptop, you will not want to plug in a USB mouse. Why are they so fixated on making life so difficult. I use the right click all day long. I dont want to plug in an extra mouse or have to hit and hold a key while I click just to activate the right click menu options. I dunno...just seems unnecessarily complicated for me.

Websites don't look right in safari, tons of software doesn't run on Mac...plus all the usability issues...I just don't see why people pay an arm and a leg for one of these things. I do understand they are better for intense graphical work, but then again those types that do that sort of stuff tend to be somewhat anti-establishment in nature thus tend towards the anti-pc anyway.

[BarTopDancer]

/me raises his hand...."I don't"

I'll get you some. Two chicks right?

Macs do suck. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the 2 reasons I ever had for buying a Mac are now available for PC. The iPod and iTunes.

NM, if you hold down the pause/stop button on the iPod for a few seconds it will turn off. Oh, and the button at the bottom is also the stop button. Stupid that they don't title it as such, but it is.

[Stan4dSteph]

She's right. Read the manual, dude. :rolleyes: The bottom of the click wheel is Play/Pause and holding it down for a few seconds turns it off.

[NirvanaMan]

Duh. I know how to turn it off, dude. :rolleyes: It's retarted that it doesn't have a dedicated on/off switch....like i said. Having to use the play button to double as an off switch, then having any button turn the stupid thing on is annoying and a PIA. An on/off switch like on say, oh, every other device ever, makes way more sense.

[Kevy Baby]

My Mac's totally gay. I caught my monitor wearing a woman's hat the other day. I pulled it off and put it in one of my hat boxes. The next day, it was back on his head.This doesn't mean that your Mac is gay, just that it is a cross-dresser.

[FEJ]

I'm loving my new G6 iMac. Very sleek, sexy design. Excellent operation. It's perfect for my needs. I've got a PC at work for all the boring stuff.


Wow, your ahead of the time..I thought they just came out with the G5's... :p

Edit: This has been covered, but I left it in cause I had posted it already

I have been a PC guy for so long, and recently started using a Mac als, and I love it. as soon as I can totally migrate (meaning afford a iBook or Powerbook) I will.

Some of my reasons:
No Virus software needed (according to a friend who works for apple, only 2 known viruses for mac, and they are in a lab)
No spyware software needed
Unix based
Easier to use software (That I use, i am not a gamer, so dont need that stuff)
Integrates better with the iPod
No Windows registry
Easy to synch iPod, PDA, Bluetooth phone, iCal, and address book with just one program.
And they look cooler :)

[Name]

I'll get you some. Two chicks right?
at the minimum. ;)

[BarTopDancer]

at the minimum. ;)

:p

[Kevy Baby]

Cause I didnt read page 2 of the threadYou do know you can set your posts per page to a higher number? Up to 200 posts per page.

[FEJ]

You do know you can set your posts per page to a higher number? Up to 200 posts per page.

Yes, it wasnt that. I had the response going in my head so I typed it before reading the rest of the thread..

[Stan4dSteph]

Duh. I know how to turn it off, dude. :rolleyes: It's retarted that it doesn't have a dedicated on/off switch....like i said. Having to use the play button to double as an off switch, then having any button turn the stupid thing on is annoying and a PIA. An on/off switch like on say, oh, every other device ever, makes way more sense.There's also a hold button on the top that locks out the keys. That keeps it from getting turned on accidently.

[NirvanaMan]

Right...so in order to turn it off and lock out the pad I need to hold down the play button for several seconds (carefully not touching it again or any other part of the wheel cause that will turn it back on) then take off my iTrip to access the hold button and then slide it, put back on the itrip...and the reverse to turn it off.

Gee, much easier than a simple on/off button. It's just a simple case of bad ergonomics...

Not to mention the design of the case is so fragile that simply touching it can result in scratches. I've kept mine wrapped in a soft protector since new and its still scratched up despite how gentle I've been with it. I have freinds with them that look utterly destroyed after they got theirs on xmas. It's a cool looking device with some questionable usability and materials quirks.

[Demigod]

God I love my Dell Axim x30. :)

[MickeyD]

Not to mention the design of the case is so fragile that simply touching it can result in scratches. I've kept mine wrapped in a soft protector since new and its still scratched up despite how gentle I've been with it. I have freinds with them that look utterly destroyed after they got theirs on xmas. It's a cool looking device with some questionable usability and materials quirks.

This is my one and only complaint with my iPod. (Ok, actually, I'll agree with the no on/off switch too, I've drained the battery by pressing the play button on accident.) But my iPod is way scratched up....the first day I had it, I got a scratch on the screen, just by putting it in my purse....and the silver back of it is way scratched up already.....guess I should get a soft cover for it.

[BarTopDancer]

They have pretty covers for the iPods now. Pretty pretty. I think they even have shiney...

I'm sad to hear that they are so easy to scratch. My Gen 1 seems indestructable.