White house "Wagging the Dog" in NYC???

[PanTheMan]

With all the troubles the Republicans are in, and the Focus on the SCOTUS, Katrina fallout, Rove leak, Bush puls his Favorite line out of his butt....."9/11...blah blah blah blah 9/11....9/11..blah blah blah....9/11"

[Motorboat Cruiser]

I do find the timing a bit suspect. He gives a speech yesterday morning about terrorism and today we have a terrorism alert as the top news story. What a remarkable coincidence. Buried a little lower is the rising unemplyment rate, the fact that Rove is going to have to testify again, and the bestest judge in the world, Harriet Miers.

[scaeagles]

Suspect timing. I can think of lots of incidences of such things.

Except that President Bush quickly came out and took no credit for it. He said that NYC dealt with it. If that was what was happening, wouldn't he be trying to grab credit? I can think of times when Presidents have done such things and have tried to grab credit for actions taken at such a time.

Maybe it's a plot by the dems because of the Louis Freeh's book. Yeah, that's it. Let's make it look like the republicans are trying to distract when really it is the dems that are trying to distract from Freeh's new book. Yeah, that's it.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Carville really did a number on you.

[scaeagles]

Where's My Gumbo?!?!?!?!

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Except that President Bush quickly came out and took no credit for it.

Maybe he didn't need to for it to have the desired effect.

[Nephythys]

That speech was scheduled long before yesterday- which part do you claim is suspect?

[PanTheMan]

Here's an oldie but a Goodie--- RUSH LIMBAUGH- FEB 1997-

(Intro Music- How Much is that doggie in the window) "What is painfully obvious here people, is this action by President Clinton is a clear case of wagging the dog. This administration has tried to play Osma Bin Laden out to be some madman. This is just not the case. He was one of out great allies in the Soviet-Afghanistan conflict."

Just after Clinton Missed Osama by 45 minutes, bombing the piss out of one of his training camps in the Sudan.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

That speech was scheduled long before yesterday- which part do you claim is suspect?

I claim that the timing of the speech and the terror alert in NYC are both suspect. There is a history (http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0408/S00110.htm) with this administration of terror alerts happening at precisely the same time that the administration faces bad news.

[Nephythys]

what "bad" news? The fact that not everyone bowed down and approved of Miers?

[Not Afraid]

That speech was scheduled long before yesterday- which part do you claim is suspect?

Scheduling a speech is one things, changing the content of the speech to make the, uh, appropriate references is quite another. The President isn't doing anything new here. I used to peddle appropriate shyte at City Council meetings when the timing was right.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

what "bad" news?

- Tom DeLay being indicted

- Bill Frist under investigation

- Bush's Chief Procurement officer arrested

- Republican Jack Abramoff indicted

- Karl Rove to testify again

- Unemployment rate increase

- Dismal approval ratings

Those are just a few stories off the top of my head that the Bush Administration might want to draw attention away from.

[scaeagles]

I'd be interested in where you got that quote, Pan. The part about it I doubt is where he defended Osama. At that point in time, the Kovar Towers and African embassies had been bombed, had they not? And Osama had claimed responsibility, if I recall.

Wagging the dog? Completely. He just happened to need to fire cruise missiles the day Monica went to the grand jury. OK.

And just because Clinton said he missed Osama by 45 minutes does not make it so. I've read that the training camps hit long been deserted. And what he hit in the Sudan was an aspirin factory. You are trying to brag about that?

Osama was an ally against the Soviets in the late 70s/early 80s. We made a huge mistake in abandoning the Afghanis after the Soviets left, and the rest is history.

[scaeagles]

Those are just a few stories off the top of my head that the Bush Administration might want to draw attention away from.

By drawing attention back to what is supposed to be the Iraqi quagmire?

[Motorboat Cruiser]

By drawing attention back to what is supposed to be the Iraqi quagmire?

Desperation can make people do strange things. ;)

[sleepyjeff]

I thought the White House was trying to distance themselves from this terror threat; saying that perhaps NYC and Bloomberg(my German is rusty, does him name mean Mountain Spring?) were overreacting to the inteligence. If that's the case it would seem that maybe a certain mayor is trying to grab a little spotlight for himself as his Presidential aspirations seem to grow dimmer in the shadow of a former NYC Mayor.

..but that's just my take on it all.

[wendybeth]

I thought the White House was trying to distance themselves from this terror threat; saying that perhaps NYC and Bloomberg(my German is rusty, does him name mean Mountain Spring?) were overreating to the inteligence. If that's the case it would seem that maybe a certain mayor is trying to grab a little spotlight for himself as his Presidential aspirations seem to grow dimmer in the shadow of a former NYC Mayor.

..but that's just my take on it all.

I hate it when people overeat inteligence.;):p

[sleepyjeff]

I hate it when people overeat inteligence.;):p

:blush: ....lol

[wendybeth]

You forgot to edit 'inteligence'.;)

[sleepyjeff]

You forgot to edit 'inteligence'.;)

Typo....yeah that's it...it's a typo :)

..and to think; the word I was worried about was "aspirations"... :D

[PanTheMan]

I'd be interested in where you got that quote, Pan. The part about it I doubt is where he defended Osama. At that point in time, the Kovar Towers and African embassies had been bombed, had they not? And Osama had claimed responsibility, if I recall.

you can LISTEN to it at airamericaradio.com... just thought it was amusing...

[PanTheMan]

And just because Clinton said he missed Osama by 45 minutes does not make it so. I've read that the training camps hit long been deserted. And what he hit in the Sudan was an aspirin factory. You are trying to brag about that?


George Tenant said we Hit a Training camp and missed him by 45 minutes. Isn't that the guy Bush gave a medal to?

[Name]

you can LISTEN to it at airamericaradio.com... just thought it was amusing...
Well, if its air america, its obviously GOT to be a doctored recording.....

;)

[scaeagles]

I completely trust Air America. Me and their other 6 listeners.

[PanTheMan]

It wasnt Air America reporting it, it was a replay of an actual Rush Segment. (Al Frankin commenting of course)

[PanTheMan]

NEW YORK - Details emerged about an alleged plot to attack the city’s subways with bombs hidden in bags and possibly baby strollers as local and federal officials jostled over the credibility of the threat.

A Department of Homeland Security memo obtained by The Associated Press said the attack was reportedly scheduled to take place on Sunday, with terrorists using timed or remote-controlled explosives hidden in briefcases, suitcases or in or under strollers.

The memo said that the department had received information indicating the attack might be carried out by “a team of terrorist operatives, some of whom may travel or who may be in the New York City area.”


For maximum effect, why would they choose a sunday morning to attack a subway in NYC? I can see our Intel has been so much improved since 9/11...I feel so safe and comforted..... :eek:

[Motorboat Cruiser]

I completely trust Air America. Me and their other 6 listeners.

Your math is a little off, unless 3,100,000 = 7. ;)


Highlights from Arbitron Spring 2005 Survey:

Increase in cumulative listening audience jumped from 1.3 million to 3.1 million within one year.
300 percent increase in L.A. in P12+ Share Spring 2004-Spring 2005
300 percent increase in Washington D.C. in P12+ Share Spring 2004-Spring 2005
267 percent increase in Phoenix in P12+ Share Spring 2004-Spring 2005

[scaeagles]

Ah. I see, MBC. I just thought that since they were stealing money from the Boys Club and asking for donations from listeners so that they could stay on the air it meant they were having a hard time selling ads.

[sleepyjeff]

I wonder what the cumulative numbers are for Sean, Rush, Bill, and Rush? Rush alone has more then 20 million I believe.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Ah. I see, MBC. I just thought that since they were stealing money from the Boys Club and asking for donations from listeners so that they could stay on the air it meant they were having a hard time selling ads.

Stealing?

From Air America's website:


Air America is in strong financial shape. Last week we started broadcasting from our new multi-million dollar studios. Several weeks earlier the Board of Directors of Air America’s parent company accelerated re-payment of a loan from the Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club of $875,000 two years in advance of a previously agreed upon re-payment plan.

As far as donations:


But the conservative propagandists have tried to make it seem like there is something unseemly because Air America Radio is both commercial—and a radio network, as O’Reilly said last night, “I have never seen a commercial enterprise ask their listeners for money—ever” This is also false. The modern model of the broadcasting business involves numerous revenue streams. If anything, Air America has been late in fully building such an infrastructure which the “Associates” is a part of.

For example, Rush Limbaugh’s Web-site offers his fans the “Limbaugh Letter” for $34.95 a year and a totally separate service called Rush 24/7 which includes access to archived programs at the cost of $49.95 a year. The Limbaugh site also features the “EIB Store” which sells such items as $19.95 polo shirt which amusingly says, “My Mullah went to G’itmo and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.”

The Sean Hannity Web-site features a “subscription” to something called, “The Hannity Insider” for $5.95 a month.

But no one tops the self proclaimed non-spinner Bill O’Reilly. Bill O’Reilly.com offers a “premium membership” for either $4.95 a month or $49.95 a year. He also offers a “Gift certificate” for $14.95. Products for sale on the Web site include:

-- Radio Factor diner coffee mug available in white or navy blue for $14.95
- O’Reilly Factor keychain for $7.95 “while supplies last.”
--Three different “No Spin” tote bags at $14.95 apiece
--Ten different hats at a cost of $16.95 each
--The “no spin” jacket for $79.95
--The “ Unisex Black Fleece” embroidered with “The Spin Stops Here” for $39.95
--Several bumper stickers including one that reads “Boycott France” for $2.50
--License plate frame for $18.95
--Three different “No Spin” tote bags at $14.95 each
--An O’Reilly Factor Gear Bag at $64.95
-- “Mens Garment Bag” for $64.95 (sorry ladies!)
--a “Spin Stops Here” organizer briefcase
--A “Spin Stops Here” pen and pad bundle for $19.95
--Two different designs of “Spin Stops Here” doormats for $49.95 and
--Two different “Rain Stops Here” umbrellas at $24.95(“Show everyone who protects you from the rain”)


Just keep thinking that they are dying though, if it makes you sleep better. :)

[Motorboat Cruiser]

I wonder what the cumulative numbers are for Sean, Rush, Bill, and Rush?

Probably pretty high, especially if you count Rush twice.

;)

[scaeagles]

From Air America's website:

Oh! Well, if they say it on their website, it must be true! I am certain they would never lie.

[scaeagles]

Probably pretty high, especially if you count Rush twice.

;)

I say we count him 15 times. Then every American is listening to him.

[PanTheMan]

Oh! Well, if they say it on their website, it must be true! I am certain they would never lie.

And we know Rush would never lie either... he is as honest, as honest can be....lol.... ;)

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Oh! Well, if they say it on their website, it must be true! I am certain they would never lie.

Do I detect sarcasm? :)

I tried to find an impartial cite. Unfortunately, it would seem that the only people reporting what you say all lean just a bit to the right (understatement of the year). Do you have anything that discredits Air America's statement? Something preferrably non-partisan? Or, is it their word vs. Bill O'Reilly?

You will note that there have been absolutely no charges filed against Air America for this "theft". Suspicious, no?

And one last thing before I must go for the evening..

At least, once a week, Air America announces one or more new affiliates that have joined them. Here in California, they started in LA, then San Diego, the Santa Barbara. That's just in So Cal. Isn't it odd that a station going down the tubes would be getting so many new affiliates?

Certainly, they are not in the same league as Rush but they have been beating O'Reilly in cities that they compete. In fact, O'Reilly just got kicked off the Denver station he was on (a pretty conservative city). They are growing, as much as it obviously pains you to hear.

[scaeagles]

Do I detect sarcasm?

Certainly, they are not in the same league as Rush but they have been beating O'Reilly in cities that they compete. In fact, O'Reilly just got kicked off the Denver station he was on (a pretty conservative city). They are growing, as much as it obviously pains you to hear.

Sarcasm? Moi?

O'reilly....I lost interest in him LONG ago - even before he went to the radio.

And it doesn't pain me to hear that they are growing. Of course they'll grow and find a loyal following and max out at a certain. I look at them the way many look at Fox News. Fox News is the alternative to the existing leftward television media. Radio definitely leans to the right, and Air America is the alternative.

Now, I don't foresee Air America making any major inroads the way Fox News has as the current leader of the cable news stations, but they'll be around. Much like a Ted Kennedy or Al Sharpton - I have no interest in what they say, as it is completely mindless drivel, but I sure am glad they are around to poke fun at.

[Nephythys]

Shouldn't it be more like Air Socialism?

yeah....I concur with Leo as usual....and SJ....

Besides that I always like nibbling popcorn and watching liberals heads pop.....

[sleepyjeff]

Probably pretty high, especially if you count Rush twice.

;)

Typical liberal making fun of Limbaughs weight ;)


:D

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Shouldn't it be more like Air Socialism?



Socialism bad, fascism good (http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm). I get it. :)

[sleepyjeff]

Socialism bad, fascism good (http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm). I get it. :)

Pretty interesting list there(I wonder if it was written before or after 2001); one could make an argument that FDR did most of those things to a far greater extent then anyone is doing now and he was many things but a fascist was not one of them.

btw: Isn't one of the key requirements for a fascist leader charisma?

Bush has none ;)

[Name]

fascism is much more then just the main leader of the country. Look further at the leadership as a whole, not just the figure head.

[PanTheMan]

Pretty interesting list there(I wonder if it was written before or after 2001); one could make an argument that FDR did most of those things to a far greater extent then anyone is doing now and he was many things but a fascist was not one of them.

btw: Isn't one of the key requirements for a fascist leader charisma?

Bush has none ;)


The Likes of "Pa Pa" & "Baby" Doc, Marcos, etc.... Charismatic???

It only takes the people letting it happen.

[sleepyjeff]

^^Granted:)

[PanTheMan]

Now they say it's a "Hoax"..... I guess they dont quite understand the the moral of the story of "the Boy who Cried Wolf"