Dole Whips - Not so Non-Dairy as we think !

[lashbear]

Bugger ! :(

In researching Dole whips for a thread on Micechat, I found out the following information:

Ingredients are:

Dole Pineapple Soft Serve Frozen Dessert
INGREDIENTS: Sugar, Dextrose, Pineapple Crystals, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Stabilizers (Cellulose, Locust Bean, Guar, Xanthan, Karaya Gum, Pectin), Sodium Silico Aluminate, Vegetable Fiber, Citric Acid, Artificial Flavor, Sodium Caseinate (A Milk Derivative), Mono & Diglycerides, Sodium Citrate, Salt, Dipotassium Phosphate, Articial Color Including F.D. & C. Yellow #6.
http://www.precisionfoods.com/facts/dolepineappledry.jpg

(From http://www.precisionfoods.com/branded/doleindex.asp# )

Just a note on that Sodium Caseinate:

Savvy consumers reading the label on this product would quickly realize that many non-dairy creamers (and dole whips - Rob) are not non-dairy because the labels clearly indicate the product contains sodium caseinate (a milk derivative).

Dairy scientists and the Food and Drug Administration agree that these are non-dairy creamers because the caseinate has been so altered it can no longer be considered dairy. According to the information on the Coffee-mate website,

"When sodium caseinate is processed, it is so materially altered that both dairy scientists and government regulators no longer regard it as a true dairy substance. This is why sodium caseinate can be an ingredient in non-dairy products according to FDA's regulation 21 CFR101.4 (d). Sodium caseinate also is not a source of lactose."

Title 21 of the Code of Federal Regulations Part 101 deals with food labeling. Section 101.4 presents the rules for designation of ingredients in foods. Section 101.4 (d) reads as follows: When foods characterized on the label as "nondairy" contain a caseinate ingredient, the caseinate ingredient shall be followed by a parenthetical statement identifying its source. For example, if the manufacturer uses the term "nondairy" on a creamer that contains sodium caseinate, it shall include a parenthetical term such as "a milk derivative" after the listing of sodium caseinate in the ingredient list.

Full page can be read here (http://www.vegparadise.com/news24.html)

I just checked, and the creamer I use also has this in it !!

and the WORST thing for me is this news:

The principal ingredients in all of these nondairy creamers are sugars and vegetable oils. The three brands contain partially hydrogenated oils loaded with trans fats. The Coffee-mate label indicates the oil could be any of the following: coconut, palm kernel, soybean, cottonseed, or safflower. The sugars are a combination of corn syrup, maltodextrin, and sugar.

:eek: :eek: :eek:


Well, I'm still going to have one (or three) cos I don't get to eat them all that often, but I'm looking out for those true non-dairy creamers mentioned in the article all the same.

Cheers,
Rob.

[Alex]

I never thought Dole Whip was non-dairy (actually, I just never thought about it).

I just assumed vegans didn't eat at Disneyland.

[innerSpaceman]

What's Locust Bean anyway? Does it contain insect meat?

[tracilicious]

Many people are allergic to cassein and just don't know it. (How one could prove that, I don't know.) It is so prevalent in nearly all processed foods that it is hard not to develop an allergy to it.

I always knew dole whips were full of crap. Delicious, delicious, crap. :)

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I'm with Traci - it tastes good because it's loaded with crap. :) I never expect anything that good to be good for me.

The principal ingredients in all of these nondairy creamers are sugars and vegetable oils. The three brands contain partially hydrogenated oils loaded with trans fats. The Coffee-mate label indicates the oil could be any of the following: coconut, palm kernel, soybean, cottonseed, or safflower. The sugars are a combination of corn syrup, maltodextrin, and sugar.

:eek: :eek: :eek:
Now I'm wondering what Lash thought it was made of. :confused: I admit that I know a bit too much about dairy vs non-dairy because of my past involving kosher dietary rules, but still, what would you think is in there?

[Not Afraid]

I always thought Dole Whips were completely non-dairy. As a matter of fact, I was assured they were by a CM. I have paid attention to my diary intake in the past since I have had an allergy to all dairy - which I have since grown out of a replaced with a yet-to-be-identified allergy. :rolleyes:

[DisneyDaniel]

Thanks for pointing this out, lashbear. Since sodium caseinate (a milk derivative) is listed three-quarters into the list of ingredients, can one assume there is only a small amount used?

Like others have said, as long as Dole Whips taste like one of the wonder foods of the world, I shall continue to consume them. :D

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I learned in a nutrition class that chemical derivatives are very, very far removed from their original state. The only difference betwen what's called "natural flavors" and "artificial flavors" is where they came from. These "flavors" are broken down to molecules and can be identical to each other in structure. Yet since one comes from a plant and the other comes from a man-made substance, they are labeled "natural" and "artificial", respectively. Both are derived in labratory environments.

I'm sure the same is true for Sodium Casseinate. The FDA says it's so far removed that it is no longer dairy, and that makes sense.Sodium caseinate also is not a source of lactose." So from a "I'm avoiding dairy because my body hates dairy" standpoint, this chemical (it's nothing but a chemical at this point) isn't a problem.

But from a "I avoid dairy because I'm against the enslavement of cows" standpoint, it's still on your no-no list.

I'd be interested what the Rabbinical point of view would be. We were not cautioned against certain chemicals.

[Alex]

I would think the Rabbinicalistic (to potentially create a word) view would be anti on the grounds that it had been in contact with prohibited foods.

When I worked in a salmon/crab cannery, the kosher inspection sucked. But it seems to me that we had to not only prove that crab couldn't end up in the cans of salmon but also that the salmon and crabs were never in contact prior to being canned (I assume it is ok for the salmon and crab to be all cuddly while still in the ocean).

[cstephens]

(I assume it is ok for the salmon and crab to be all cuddly while still in the ocean).

I have absolutely nothing of value to add to this discussion, but I just thought this was funny, and a good mental image too! ;)

[tracilicious]

I'm sure the same is true for Sodium Casseinate. The FDA says it's so far removed that it is no longer dairy, and that makes sense.So from a "I'm avoiding dairy because my body hates dairy" standpoint, this chemical (it's nothing but a chemical at this point) isn't a problem.


That's interesting because a lot of people with dairy allergies also react to cassein and whey. I didn't know jews don't eat dairy.

[Ponine]

I have absolutely nothing of value to add to this discussion, but I just thought this was funny, and a good mental image too!

Ditto, I did a spit take. :)

[Ghoulish Delight]

That's interesting because a lot of people with dairy allergies also react to cassein and whey. I didn't know jews don't eat dairy.
Laws of kosher forbid eating milk and meat together. Thus, it's important to know what foods contain milk.

[Matterhorn Fan]

I'd always known that Dole Whip was non-dairy (and I guess legally, according to the FDA, it is), but I had read somewhere that it was NOT vegan. For some reason, I thought the culprit was egg whites.

As I am not and never could be a vegan, I don't really care.

That nutrition information, lashbear, looks to be out of date. It's become necessary to list trans fat now. The loophole is that if it's less than a certain amount of trans fat, they can print "0." So even though they've changed the labels, we've still gotta read ingredients lists looking for the word "hydrogenated."

Dammit. Now I'm craving a Dole Float--in all its hydrogenated goodness. Mmmmm . . . Dole Float . . .

[lashbear]

That nutrition information, lashbear, looks to be out of date. It's become necessary to list trans fat now. . .

Ooer, cos that's the latest from their website ! :eek:

..but I'm still going to have one (or three) :D

[mousepod]

...and just because I'm a geek, I had to look it up: for you kosher cats n chicks, it's considered dairy by the Orthodox Union.

[Kevy Baby]

...and just because I'm a geek, I had to look it up: for you kosher cats n chicks, it's considered dairy by the Orthodox Union.Speaking of eating... just what ARE you munching on in you avatar?

[LSPoorEeyorick]

As some of you know, Tom has a condition that does not allow him to eat protein. So, as the Whip is free of protein, we'll be dole-whipping it anyway. In fact, my parents bought a case of Dole Whip powder for the family (in order to give one bag to Tom-- you have to buy a whole case.)

Besides, Dole Whip is much better for you than ice cream. Take a small Dairy queen soft-serve cone, for instance. It has the same partially hydrogenated oil (but more of it.)

Calories: Dole Whip=80 DQ=230
Total fat: Dole Whip=0 DQ=7 grams
Saturated fat: Dole Whip=0 DQ=4.5 grams
Trans fat: in both the small Dairy Queen cone and a serving of Dole Whip is too small to list-- but in the large Dairy Queen cone, which is exactly twice the size of the small one-- it lists .5 grams of trans fat. So it follows that there is around .25 grams of trans fat in small Dairy Queen cone, and significantly less in the Dole Whip. That is why it isn't listed on the nutrition facts-- that one really IS the most up-to-date list.

I'd say take the pineappley goodness over the ice cream (or the corn dog) any day.

[mousepod]

Speaking of eating... just what ARE you munching on in you avatar?

That would be a delicious Yucatan Sausage Roll from the Lost River Delta at Tokyo DisneySea. Yum.

http://ped-xing.com/sausageroll.jpg

[Cadaverous Pallor]

All this time I took a quick glance at Mousepod's avatar and assumed he was eating a 50th cupcake. :rolleyes:

Alex, you're right about the kosher thing. Silly but true.

[tracilicious]

As some of you know, Tom has a condition that does not allow him to eat protein. So, as the Whip is free of protein, we'll be dole-whipping it anyway. In fact, my parents bought a case of Dole Whip powder for the family (in order to give one bag to Tom-- you have to buy a whole case.)


Wow, really? I've not heard of such a thing. Does it have a name? Can he eat vegetable protein? What happens if he eats protein? Do we have a nosy smiley?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Wow, really? I've not heard of such a thing. Does it have a name? Can he eat vegetable protein? What happens if he eats protein? Do we have a nosy smiley?
I was wondering about that as well. :nosy:

[lashbear]

That would be a delicious Yucatan Sausage Roll from the Lost River Delta at Tokyo DisneySea. Yum.

http://ped-xing.com/sausageroll.jpg

Those are really yummy !!! We all had one as soon as we exited from Indy.


....of course, AFTER we'd eaten we walked round to "Journey" and saw the huge line for the Gyoza rolls :rolleyes: (which we call "cocaine rolls" due to their addictive popularity)

[LSPoorEeyorick]

OK, my nosey loves, I'll give you the lowdown.

If you've had kids (that's you, trac) you've probably heard of it in the context that all babies are tested for it within the first 24 hours of life. It's required by law. And if you drink diet soda, you might know of it, too, since it's listed on every can.

Tom has phenylketonuria, commonly known as PKU. There is a specific amino acid (phenylalanine) that his body cannot process. It won't kill him if he eats high levels of protein, but we like his brain the way it is. He'll eat a tiny bit now and then (potatoes are his favorite, and there's a minor amount of protein in them, for instance) but as he's an adult it wouldn't affect him as much. But still, some.

That means that meat, dairy, soy, aspartame... all not edible by my beau. He subsides on veggies, fruit, some bread products, and 140 capsules a day of protein with the phe filtered out.

I was really freaked out at first. "How will I cook for you!? I make lasagna, I make cheesecake!" And he was very sweet about it-- he said he'd cook for me until I got the hang of it and then we'd cook together. I make an extra pot of tofu or tempeh or fish for myself, but otherwise since I met him I'm certainly eating more produce than I ever have in my life.