Ain't that a trip?

[CoasterMatt]

Apr 16 1943

Chemist Albert Hofmann inadvertently experiences the world's first acid trip when a miniscule quantity of lysergic acid diethylamide accidently seeps through the skin of his finger. After leaving work early, he went home and settled into "a not unpleasant intoxicated condition." Then he had solid two hours of visual hallucinations: "I perceived an uninterrupted stream of fantastic pictures, extraordinary shapes with intense, kaleidoscopic play of colors." It will be another three days before Hofmann gets up the courage to swallow 250 micrograms and ride his bicycle home.

[€uroMeinke]

Happy Easter

[Betty]

Imagine that!

[innerSpaceman]

Le Sigh

[Alex]

Well then I'll blame him for an unpleasant evening and a three day headache.

Damn you little known chemist guy!

[Motorboat Cruiser]

I bet that was one hell of a bicycle ride home. :)

[innerSpaceman]

And far from damning Albert Hoffman, I'd like to thank him for most of my 20's and 30's and for the human potential and spiritual awakenings I experienced thanks to what he stumbled upon.


I'd like to think that someone else might have stumbled upon it if he hadn't ... LSD being as essential as I see it to human evolution and development, but alas - -try and find some now.


Perhaps, when we as a species again demonstrate our worthiness for it, it will reappear on the scene.

[Alex]

Is LSD now hard to find? I know people who were regularly using it a couple years ago.

I tried it twice and never experienced a true hallucination (beyond thinking that my penmanship was the best ever accomplished by mortal hands) and that a mediocre Jackie Chan movie (Mr. Nice Guy) was the funniest thing ever. I also had a headache for days afterwards. I'm sure this is a byproduct of me not being "open" to the experience though I went to a lot of trouble to have the experience. I'd assume I had bad stuff but the person I was with found it normally efficacious.

I seem to be too attached to enjoying the way my brain opperates to get much pleasure from screwing with it. The only "high" I've ever enjoyed enough to duplicate was huffing nitrous and that only lasts a few seconds.

[scaeagles]

I've never had a desire to try such things.

Having been sedated and drugged many times over the last couple of years due to medical reasons, I honestly do not know why anyone would enjoy the feeling of being drugged. It just makes me feel.....icky. I don't enjoy loosing control over my faculties, and like Alex stated, I like the way my brain operates without trying to alter it.

I cannot imagine that any mind altering drug is particularly good for you regardless of frequency. I suppose caffeine through chocolate is about the only drug I put into my body willingly (with the exception of pain killers following surgery, and i didn't like those a bit).

[Betty]

[QUOTE=Alex Stroup]Is LSD now hard to find? I know people who were regularly using it a couple years ago.

I tried it twice and never experienced a true hallucination (beyond thinking that my penmanship was the best ever accomplished by mortal hands) QUOTE]

Ha! :snap:

[innerSpaceman]

Well, it's been hard to find for me, in L.A. Not that I've gone on an all-out manhunt. Cause it takes a toll on the body (even if it's pure, which it rarely is) that I'm not much up for these days.

As for feeling "drugged," I don't think that's what I'd call the effect. Though some people like that feeling, I can't stand it. Painkillers, downers, yuk. Acid is not the kind of thing that makes you feel doped up or drugged in the sense I think scaeagles is referring to.

I won't go all into what it does make you feel like. Grrrrr. Bah on all this talk! Just git me some, or shut yer yaps.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Alex, you should try shrooms...you're much less likely to have yucky side effects. I've done both and acid really screwed up my body - muscle tension and such. It was also really damn intense. With shrooms you can control dosage much more effectively, so you can start small and go bigger if you like. You won't get full-on hallucinations usually but the visual effects are a pleasant accompaniment to the mental/emotional trip.

Ah, memories.

I think iSm should try attending the pseudo-raves going these days and see what's up. Acid was definitely available 5 years ago at such things.

scaeagles - What iSm said is true, truly recreational drugs don't just make you feel less pain or whack you out. It's a whole 'nother deal. Plus, I don't suppose that you expected to enjoy a drug trip after someone just cut you open? :p

[Alex]

I've tried mushrooms. No headache but still no real hallucinations and didn't really enjoy it. They're fine at the time but when I'm done I just feel like I spent the last X hours lying to myself. I've never come away feeling I'd experienced a valid insight.

Other than cocaine, opiates, and marijuana I've tried most of the common recreational drugs at least once (when I say I'll do anything once I'm being pretty honest) and didn't find many of them worth even a second shot let alone repeated use.

I know, I know: L7

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I know, I know: L7No way! What you're describing isn't L7 at all. You tried it, you didn't like it, and that's fine. Not everyone is cut out for that kind of thing.

You tried it and didn't dismiss it out of hand. You get mojo from me for that, for sure.

[Alex]

Oh, I think most people would consider it the L7 that caused me to not like it. Though less L7 than if I hadn't tried it at all.

But it is ok, I'm confident in my L7CMoon orientation. On the Kinsey scale I'm a 9.

[Gn2Dlnd]

I bet that was one hell of a bicycle ride home. :)

Perhaps you'd enjoy the musical (http://www.americanentropy.com/music/doctor_hoffman/)?

(L7 20 years don'cha know.)

[scaeagles]

scaeagles - I don't suppose that you expected to enjoy a drug trip after someone just cut you open? :p

I suppose that's a valid point.

However, I like to have control of my mind. This, of course, does not mean I am always in control of my surroundings (I enjoy skydiving and bungee jumping, and while I have done them far fewer times than I wish I could, there is a certain lack of control in each). The idea of putting something in my body that limits my control (I don't enjoy alcohol for the same reason) or alters me in some way holds no appeal and never has. I would say that I'm not afraid, and while that is true, the thought of putting foreign substances into my body does scare me to a certain extent but....it's more of a lack of interest.

And I stand by my statement that I just don't think they are good for a body, regardless of limited frequency. I realize there is a medicinal value to a glass of red wine, but LSD or cocaine or X or the designer drug du jour....nah.

[wendybeth]

I never liked pot, for mostly the same reasons Alex didn't like acid, but I must admit I liked speed. I got so much accomplished! Not meth- never have tried that and never will, but good old Black Beauties and Yellowjackets...... I could really use them now that I'm older and seriously lacking energy, but they'd probably give me a heart attack.

I've done just about everything but meth and heroin, but I was fortunate in that nothing caught me addiction-wise except cigs, which I finally gave up nearly two years ago. Okay, I'm hooked on caffeine, but that's it. No way I'm giving that up!!!!

[Prudence]

What if I have just never been interested in recreational drugs? In the same way that I've never really felt the need to sky dive or ride a unicycle or learn karate? Am I just an square beyond redemption because that's one thing in a long list of things that have never interested me?

[innerSpaceman]

I realize there is a medicinal value to a glass of red wine, but LSD or cocaine or X or the designer drug du jour....nah.
Hmmm, and how long ago did they determine that a glass of red wine per day was good for you? Was that 2 years ago, while red wine has been around for centuries?

No "foreign substances?" Heheh, everyone thinks caffeine is the biggest physiology-altering drug commonly imbibed. But actually it's sugar. A hugely altering drug with far worse health consequences than caffeine. And consummed in mass quantities every day by near every one.

The only reason it's not a "foreign substance" is because it was "discovered" by western civilization when colonizing the "new world." It was plenty foreign for millennia before that. And it's a drug, plain and simple.


LSD, btw, has amazing and powerful medicinal value. If it were merely a recreational kick, I would not be thanking Albert Hofman with every third breath I take.

[scaeagles]

No "foreign substances?" Heheh, everyone thinks caffeine is the biggest physiology-altering drug commonly imbibed. But actually it's sugar.

Well, I will say that I do attempt to limit my intake of sugar, but this is a practical impossibility.

I admit to ignorance on any medicinal purpose served by LSD. However, I doubt that it is a medicine that I need.

Do you have credible medical research evidence of healthful effects of certain drugs? I also have been recently made aware of certain positive effects of marijuana for glaucoma patients, but I would suppose that the huge majority of the commonly used illegal street drugs - such as meth, various opiates, ecstacy, whatever - are far more harmful.

I do admit to ignorance on the subject however, but I would be open to reading research from reasonably qualified sources.

[wendybeth]

I had a medical doc tell me that heroin is probably the most effective painkiller on earth- not that they can prescribe it, though. He was referring to a person I knew in horrendous pain due to terminal cancer, and was frustrated because nothing they had helped lessen her pain.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Ecstasy was being tested for theraputic uses before it was outlawed, including couples therapy (http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,41457,00.html). Ooh, didn't know they were testing again, cool. (http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/02/25/ecstasy.study/)

If you haven't done the drug you may not understand why it could help you during a counseling session. E makes you extremely empathic, and I can see how relating to others under the influence could help you reach breakthroughs. I'm sure people may think that alcohol also makes you empathic ("I love you, man!") but seriously, it's nothing compared to how you feel about the people around you while you're on E.

This "benefit" is much different from the medical marijuana uses, which are basically a new way to tackle pain. Using drugs for psychological benefits is so standard these days though that I"m surprised people still question the idea when applied to recreational drugs. Geez, so many people use Zanax for fun...

I can see a mental benefit to using LSD or shrooms. It really depends on what you want out of it. Some of what these drugs can do reminds me of the Hofstadter stuff. It gets meta, where you're thinking about thinking, pondering about pondering. I worked through some issues of my own in my experiences, in many different venues of thought.

[scaeagles]

I've been thinking about this whole medicinal purposes and research and modern science.

I put very little faith in modern medicine or the scientific research that accompanies it.

There is a statistic that I have been quoted by an acquaintence who works in pharmiceuticals (sp?). 80% of perscription drugs do not work properly for 80% of the people who take them. They have some effect, but not the complete effect, or side effects are bad enough to have a zero sum or negative overall effect.

ISM mentions that we didn't know the positive effects of red wine for a long time. This is true. And it may change tomorrow for all we know, as is common in almost every area of science. I get sick of being told by the medical or scientific community that the next huge discovery or breakthrough has been made and it amounts to nothing or is later reversed.

I can attest to the medicine 80% figure. Of all the medicines that I took that were supposedly going to relieve symptoms, they either did nothing or the side effects were worse than what I was dealing with. To be fair, accupuncture, herbal remedies, and chiropractic care did nothing for me either, but there were no side effects.

All of that being said, I see no reason to put anything into my body unless 100% necessary. To address another point by ISM, I was living on chocolate for about 6-7 months, and detoxing myself over these last few weeks has been something akin to withdrawal.

So why do it? Messing with my chemistry just makes no sense to me.

[CoasterMatt]

I have to take chemicals every day to keep my brain from locking up and shutting down, so I'm not gonna mess with anything else in my brain chemistry. I've got no problem with the recreational stuff, as long as nobody else comes through my front window with a baseball bat, asking where the pudding is...

[Snowflake]

What if I have just never been interested in recreational drugs? In the same way that I've never really felt the need to sky dive or ride a unicycle or learn karate? Am I just an square beyond redemption because that's one thing in a long list of things that have never interested me?

Nope, not square beyond redemption! I tried pot and did not care for it. Never had an interest in pills, etc. I think I'm the square, my sister was far more adventuress, she was the stoner in the family. I was the bookworm.

Roaring drunk on only one ocassion and I disliked so much the fact that I was 1 out of control and 2 could not remember much of the party. Of what I do remember, I freely admit I comitted the absolute worst in the way of party faux-pas (thank God it was my sister's party, makes a good family story however embarassing and it was not funny at the time) What was the faux-pas you might ask? Well, I got sick. No big deal, right? Not so if you happened to get sick all over a tray of Alice B. Toklas brownies. Sigh, that would be me.

I guess I'm a square, I'm just so interested in things and doing things I've never felt the desire to try artificial stimulation. Although, Wendybeth does point out something that might be beneficial as my body creaks it's way into middle age, a dose of speed to help get me moving. :evil:

Oh, and my sister is quite the conservative nowadays. Those wild sown oats have left her and she's quite the old stick in the mud.

[Not Afraid]

Well, I partake in no recreational drugs and very little perscription drugs. But, I've tried my share. LSD made me laugh for hours, but mushrooms were the best. Nothing like a 4th of July at the beach on 'shrooms with the world exploding around you.

I'd probably love heroin and it is a good thing I never tried it. Speed puts me to sleep and pot makes me parinoid. Alcohol was my love until my body stopped dealing with it like a normal person. I actually like being drug free - except for an necessary thyroid med, an anti-depressant and, now, allergy meds. I rarely, if ever, take antibiotics. Even post-op pain killers don't make me happy enough to take them most of the time.

[innerSpaceman]

My point is that we put things in our bodies all the time that alter our physiology, often not beneficially (but perceived that way) - - and many of which are mood or mind altering as well.

There is nothing wrong with not trying, not wanting to try, or not cup of teaing any particular drug, food, substance or therapy. But don't go knocking it or judging it. There's plenty that each and every one of us do that fall into the category of "messing with" our body and brain chemistry.

[€uroMeinke]

The one time I had acid, I just felt like crap. I did experience hallucinations while on shrooms, but so far the "best" hallucinagenic experience I've has came at the result of sleep deprivation.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

So why do it? Messing with my chemistry just makes no sense to me.Because it's fun. :) It is akin to any other risk/reward situation. Not all of my experiences have been good, but many were.

[innerSpaceman]

There's a lot of anecdotal emphasis on hallucinations when talking about the effects of psychedelic drugs. It's mostly bogus. Far more emphatic hallucinations result - as € pointed out - from sleep deprivation. Psychedelic drugs do provide a panoply of visual effects, but they are not usually the outright hallucinatory effects of no sleep.

LSD's visual effects usually run to "trails" and "melting". Ecstacy has the wonderful visual effect of extreme clarity and precision (unless the tremors get to your eyeballs).

But the hallucinatory or visual effects are NOT the main event, and not - I daresay - why people take psychedelic drugs. It's the effect on the mind, the soul and the psyche that are important. LSD provides uncommon insight and Ecstacy uncommon empathy - often resulting in soul-improving experiences which are of extreme value to personal growth and richness of life.

There are also negative physical effects associated with these drugs, but mostly have to do with the elements they are "cut" with. Ecstacy can give you the shakes, and acid can be very speedy ... but not because of the LSD or MDMA itself. Pure forms of these drugs, much more rarely found, have none of these negative effects.

Some negative effects are endemic to the drugs themselves. Ecstacy, particularly, (in essence) depletes the brain chemical serotonin ... and can leave you feeling a bit blue as a result (easily combatted psychologically if you know why you have the temporary blues).

LSD, Ecstacy and, to a lesser extent, psilocibin mushrooms tend to leave you feeling a little worn out. So does a good hike, a good party or a good day at Disneyland.

[Ghoulish Delight]

In terms of "messing with chemisty", I'll got out on a limb and suggest that the amount of "damage" (i.e., irreversible alteration) done by the huge dump of adreneline (and countless other hormones) during something like skydiving is likely a far larger chemical alteration than is done by LSD where one dose is so small that, as a percentage of liquid volume in your body it's literally zero.

I can totally accept, "It doesn't seem like something for me." That was me for a long time, and still is for many-a-recreational substance. Such things certainly aren't for everyone. I generally don't set out to try everything I can. But "I don't want to mess with my body" (especially with "except for caffine, sugar, chocolate, and adrenaline sports" caveats) is an interesting bit of excuse making.

As for hallucinations, I've never had a true "seeing something that's completely not there" hallucination. What I tend to experience is an easing of my minds visual slipability. My brain, under the influence of certain drugs, likes to take what I see in front of me, turn it into a mental image, and then alter that mental image in vivid and interesting ways. I don't see things that aren't there, I see things that are there in a visually enjoyable way.

Actually, one of my favorite states is towards the end of a shroom experience in what I like to call the "what's different" stage. The vivid visuals are gone, the scattered thoughts are gone, but something just feels different. Just enough to give the world a fresh perspective for a little while. The best analogy I can think of is when, after many days of rain and cloudiness, all of a sudden it's a clear, sunny day. Nothings really changed from the last time you saw the sun shine, but the familiar still seems new and wonderful.

[scaeagles]

I completely agree that caffeine and sugar are drugs. I was completely addicted to soda and quit drinking it several years ago and for three days I could hardly function. I do my best to avoid them, and as I'm not eating chocolate anymore, I don't get much sugar and no caffeine.

Regardless, I disagree about adrenaline issues. I fail to see how something our body makes and increases production of naturally (assuming there is nothing wrong the way your body is functioning) is quite akin to putting foreign substances in your body, but that's OK. This is also why I would never be critical of some on say, an antidepressant, because typically that mind altering drug is to try to restore the natural balance of serotonin.

I'm not ragging on anyone here for doing what they do. I'm saying exactly the "it's not for me" thing and explaining why. I almost get the feeling some people view it as an attack that I stress what I think are the negative things about putting mind altering substances in the body.

But, as CP put it, it's a risk/benefit analysis for everyone. I do like "adrenaline sports", as GD put it, and there certainly is risk involved. I prefer the risk of jumping out of an airplane to purchasing something from someone on the street and smoking or snorting or licking or injecting or whatever the heck you do with whatever the heck it is.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Regardless, I disagree about adrenaline issues. I fail to see how something our body makes and increases production of naturally (assuming there is nothing wrong the way your body is functioning) is quite akin to putting foreign substances in your body, but that's OK. This is also why I would never be critical of some on say, an antidepressant, because typically that mind altering drug is to try to restore the natural balance of serotonin.Interesting that you call the goal of antidepressatns "restoring the natural balance", but don't see massive adrenaline dumps as an "unnatural imbalance". LSD, actually, makes for an interesting comparison point. It's been show to have effects using as little as 20 micrograms (that's 1/50 the weight of a grain of sand). A dose that size is far too small for the direct physical effects of the chemical to be causing the "symptoms". No one's even sure what exactly causes it, but the likely culprit seems to be an increase of the naturally ocurring amino acid glutamate. From that view, skydiving and LSD sound pretty similar. Both are activities that produce enjoyment for some people by increasing production of a naturally ocurring body chemical, cause permanent alteration to the functioning of the brain, and carry a risk of serious physical harm.

[Alex]

By broad defnitions pretty much anything you put into your body is a drug. If sugar is a drug then so are carbohydrates and protein. All of them, through injestion cause body chemistry changes. About the only thing you could put into your body and not have it be a drug would be the rightmost column of the periodic table (and even those, in sufficient quantities will produce significant change in bodily function).

I don't care what people put into their bodies or why. All I care about is how they act after they do so. If you can consume an 8 ball a day and still function in polite society I don't give a damn. If you can't drink an O'Doul's without becoming aggressive and puking on my shoes then I give a damn.

[innerSpaceman]

It's (LSD) been show(n) to have effects using as little as 20 micrograms (that's 1/50 the weight of a grain of sand). A dose that size is far too small for the direct physical effects of the chemical to be causing the "symptoms". No one's even sure what exactly causes it...
Exactly. One of the "trippiest" things about LSD is its ability to be active in doses so small as to be nearly non-existent. It's merely a (very powerful) trigger to your own brain chemistry. (Ecstacy likewise, though not nearly as miraculously effective in miniscule does as LSD).

In both cases, it's your own brain chemistry at work. Essentially, an innate ability that is rarely enjoyed without trigger assistance. The adrenaliine rush of skydiving is a trigger assistance.

There are many such trigger assists that we call "natural" because circumstances like being chased by a bear will produce tons of adrenaline, and being subjected to torture will produce tons of endorphines. But finding these chemical-dump triggers to be the "right" or natural ones while LSD is a somehow "wrong" and dangerous one is naive.


(I'm not saying all this to rebut scaeagles, just to point out info which I find interesting)

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Each drug that I have used, and that would be most of them, with the exception of ecstacy and opiates, has one thing in common. It provides a unique perspective, a different way of looking at things. As someone who has creative tendencies, I see new perspectives as a welcome thing and there are certain drugs that caused me to create things that I would not have without their use. This is the appeal that drugs have on creative types.

As an example, you can look at a prolific group like The Beatles and literally hear in their music when they started to smoke pot and how that drug changed their perspective. Likewise, when they started experimenting with hallucinagens, which had a much different effect than the marijuana. And these drugs literally transformed what was a boy band (albeit, a very talented one) into a group of groundbreaking visionaries. One needn't even be a fan to be able to see the difference in depth between "She Loves You" and "Eleanor Rigby".

Another example would be the works of Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, and so many other bebop artists who used heroin. While this drug has done a lot of damage to the lives of so many artists and is quite dangerous, it has still made its mark in music by providing its own unique perspective to a number of musicians who made some incredible music under its influence. I would be so bold as to say that we would be missing a lot of our best musical works had drugs not been a part of the picture.

From my own perspective, I went through a wide variety of experiences, both good and bad before finding what did and didn't work for me. The nice thing is that once you have experienced a drug a few times, it seems to alter your perception forever, in the sense that you can tap into the creative areas that the drug opened up, even if you aren't under the influence anymore.

I guess this is all what I would consider a non-medical benefit of drugs, although benefit might not be the best word. All drugs carry various dangers along with them. Still, it is a tradeoff I was willing to make. There is really only one drug that I still have any interest in doing. I'm well aware of the ones that have the potential to cause problems in my life. I stay away from those like the plague. Well, with the exception of cigarettes, which in my opinion is the most dangerous and addictive drug that there is, legal or illegal.

[scaeagles]

While I find the chemistry lesson to be interesting (seriously, no sarcasm intended), my body is designed to increase and decrease adrenaline all by itself. With LSD, and you did say that no one knows exactly what causes the effect, the effect sought after is still brought about by introducing some physical and foreign substance into your body, regardless of the amount required.

And again, to each their own. I stand by my reasoning. You stand by yours, and that's great. As long as no one forces me to take anything, we're cool.

You see, this is really why I've never agreed to meet anyone at when I've gone to DL....I'm really just afraid you'll slip me a drop of acid.:)

[Not Afraid]

When ARE you going to DL again? Not that I'm going to slip you some acid - I'm the LEAST likely person to do that - but I know you have something coming up and I think a meet is in order - like it or not.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

but I know you have something coming up and I think a meet is in order - like it or not.

I agree. It's been long enough. It's really time to come out, scaeagles. Let your family know you have a secret life here. They will be shocked at first but come to accept you eventually. They love you for who you are. :)

And just don't accept any food or beverage from iSm and you will be fine.

[Ghoulish Delight]

While I find the chemistry lesson to be interesting (seriously, no sarcasm intended), my body is designed to increase and decrease adrenaline all by itself. With LSD, and you did say that no one knows exactly what causes the effect, the effect sought after is still brought about by introducing some physical and foreign substance into your body, regardless of the amount required. But what if someone discovers a way to completely reproduce the effects of LSD without any such "foreign substance" (I know, unlikely, but bear with me). Would you, scaeagles, then be inclined to try it? My guess is probably not since, as you've already made clear, the effects aren't something that appeals to you. So this whole business of "foreign substance" is stands out as quite the red herring, even more so when you look at the reality of the chemistry going on. If it doesn't interest you then it doesn't interest you, no worries.

But the "it's bad for you 'cause it's not natural" argument is too often used as justification for the vilification and persecution of drug use. I'm not in saying that that's what you're doing, obviosly you're not. But as a rational person, I'd think that you'd be better served just making your decission based on your own desires, not on some technical rationalization that bears little resemblance to reality.

[Alex]

But the "it's bad for you 'cause it's not natural" argument is too often used as justification for the vilification and persecution of drug use.

I'm not saying anybody here has put forward the argument but something I find interesting is that many people will disdain the "unnatural" argument against drugs while blindly supporting it against genetically modified corn. And vice versa.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I'm not saying anybody here has put forward the argument but something I find interesting is that many people will disdain the "unnatural" argument against drugs while blindly supporting it against genetically modified corn. And vice versa.Not I. I for one welcome our genetically modified corn overlords.

[innerSpaceman]

Nope, you've got me there. I object to genetically modifying something and then selling it with the claim that it is a nutrient. Dangerous side effects go with the territory of drugs and medicines, but people should not have to keep their caveat emptor radar set to 11 when dealing with purported food.

(Feh, it's bad enough that today's foodstuffs require you to keep the radar set to 6.)

[scaeagles]

When ARE you going to DL again? Not that I'm going to slip you some acid - I'm the LEAST likely person to do that - but I know you have something coming up and I think a meet is in order - like it or not.

Wait....bad acid trip....all the words on the screen are running together and swirling in beautiful colors and I can't make out what you or MBC is saying.....;)

[Not Afraid]

Get over it and fess up the dates. I know you have a trip planned soon. You said so.

[Kevy Baby]

I have an addiction.

To ThinKrisps®

Beyond that, I am in the same boat as Coaster Matt.

[CoasterMatt]

Beyond that, I am in the same boat as Coaster Matt.
Some people even claim that we're the same person!

[Kevy Baby]

GusGus was mortified that there was someone else like me in the world.

[NickO'Time]

Did he win the Tour De France? :p :D