Pirates open now

[Cadaverous Pallor]

This may have been posted in the other Pirates thread but I'm not reading it due to possible spoilers.

Pirates is open today. We'll be on our way there soon. That is all.

:)

[Moonliner]

Is it wrong to hate you? ;)

[Alex]

Last I heard the line goes all the way to Rancho del Zocalo (thoug that was right when it opened so it's probably gone down by now).

[Kevy Baby]

Latest upate from Information Central as of a few minutes ago, it is down again. However, it is unknown when or how soon it will reopen.

We're on our way in a few minutes none-the-less.

[Gemini Cricket]

So far, I like what I see...
:)
But in person... that's the way to truly tell...

[MickeyLumbo]

what could have caused it to go 101?

http://www.dlrp.fr/news/upload/us/DLR/MK/pirates/aafigures/sparrowdlr09petit.jpg (http://www.dlrp.fr/news/upload/us/DLR/MK/pirates/aafigures/sparrowdlr09.jpg)

[Gemini Cricket]

My theory is that the new Jack at the very end of the ride is the old AA that used to balance on the powder kegs. That's my theory anyway...

[Alex]

By the way, the ride closed around 2p.m. due to some technical failure and is not expected to reopen again today (but as always, who knows).

[innerSpaceman]

Hehehe, I arrived at the Park at 2:00 pm. Bah. Oh well, almost everyone from the night before's party that kept me away from the Park till 2pm also showed up a bit later and we continued our little party (albeit a little more burnt out) - and with some additional surprise guests who we haven't seen in a while. Pleasant surprise indeed.

We did get to sample the cuisine at the just-reopened Cafe Orleans, and a big thumbs-up on the food there. All-in-all, it's more momentous for me to have an enjoyable food location inside the Park than to ride Pirates of the Caribbean.

Alas, there will be no opportunities for me to get down to Anaheim till next weekend, so I'm calling all comers for early Saturday morning. Even if you've been on by then, come on by for MY first ride, heehehee.

[Not Afraid]

Oh well. We tried.

[MickeyLumbo]

:(

bummer.

sorry you guys didn't get to ride today. how long was the line?

[Not Afraid]

We never even got in line. By the time we actually got to the ride, they had just told people it was not going to open back up again today.

We may make a sneak attack during the wek, but not if it is as hot as it was today. I reached my heat threashold today. I'm staying in AC for the rest of the summer.

[MickeyLumbo]

agreed! i was not about to set foot outside today, let alone go back to the Park for 7 days straight!


no worries, me las, here's what you missed with all the new additions:


caribbean (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_8YN6JzkJo&mode=related&search=)

[€uroMeinke]

Curse you Johnny Depp!

[MickeyLumbo]

Kiss you Johnny Depp! :p

[€uroMeinke]

In other words - Pirates is back up - an hour after we left the park.

[Mousey Girl]

Since I am not working, Nick and I are heading down there tomorrow. It will be a nice break from 110. We are hoping to ride it right after breakfast...if it is down we still have another 6 months left on our APs.

[Kevy Baby]

In other words - Pirates is back up - an hour after we left the park.I didn't want to know that. I would have rather just lived in my delusional little world.

[wendybeth]

Almost shed a tear there, KB- *sniff*!

(PS- Tori says hi!)

[Kevy Baby]

(PS- Tori says hi!)Tori is a sweetheart. If I am ever lucky enough to have a daughter, I hope she grows up just like her!

[wendybeth]

Thanks, Kevy- she really is a great kid, and I am pretty proud of her. I hope with all my heart you get "lucky"- you're gonna be a great dad.:)

[Ghoulish Delight]

Three Cheese Monte Cristo. Mmmmmmmmmm

[MickeyLumbo]

Sam Ruben (KTLA_5 Morning News) is doing a live remote from inside PotC.

he just interviewed the "first people to ride the new attraction". (:rolleyes: )

it was a family from Celebration, Florida.

at least everything was a positive review. they have also been showing some great tape from the Red Carpet.

am i crazy to watch this and feel jealous and wish i was there? should i just never go home?

am i an addict?

[Capt Jack]

am i crazy to watch this and feel jealous and wish i was there? should i just never go home? am i an addict?

Im thinking...

"No."
"I wouldnt if I worked there."
and
"You say it like its a bad thing"


:D

[MickeyLumbo]

14 minutes later....the ride has stopped. LOL

i think boats get stuck at that first drop.
----------

no, it's not a bad thing. just not normal. LOL

[Capt Jack]

stopped? feh... copycats..

they just couldnt stand us having more fun than the celebs

[Promo-Man]

I am going to run over to the park on Thursday and go for a ride.

[Not Afraid]

I was so pissed off when I got the call from Borneio last night! Pirates opened about an hour after we left. Plus, I missed seeing our friend from France. I was livig, but too exhausted to let it go on too long.

We MAY go tonight. There's a MC meet at 7:30 we may attend.

[Ghoulish Delight]

There's a strong chance we'll be returning to the park tonight for the 3rd time in 4 days.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

I missed seeing our friend from France.Was that Beldar or Prymatt?

[FEJ]

Was that Beldar or Prymatt?

What about "Connie?"

[Not Afraid]

I have no idea wtf you're talking about.

How unusual! ;)

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Well, we did "consume mass quantities" at Cafe Orleans.

There's a strong chance we'll be returning to the park tonight for the 3rd time in 4 days.Huh? Wha? I thought you didn't want to go tonight! Damn, better dress for the occasion, just in case. I'll call you :p

[Ghoulish Delight]

Wow. I just heard that the queue extends to City Hall!! :eek:

[scaeagles]

To City Hall? How many thousands of people is that?

[Ghoulish Delight]

To City Hall? How many thousands of people is that?
Well, it's a far cry from when Indy's line did that, considering there isn't much room inside, or even in front of the attraction. The posted wait time was something like 1 hour 30 minutes. I'd guess it would be a bit longer (depending on how much of the queue they've allowed to form in directly in front of the entrance), but probably no more than 2 hours.

[€uroMeinke]

Wow. I just heard that the queue extends to City Hall!! :eek:

That must be for the complaints

[Alex]

Apparently it about a 2-hour line. The disparity between line length and wait time is probably a combination of Pirates' huge capacity (when it is running at capacity) and the fact that once the line gets away from the Pirates entrance it probably isn't that dense.

That said, last I heard it had shortened down to around the wait board but it might have lengthened again.

[AllyOops!]

I loved the few pics I saw on here, but it left me wanting more! My stepdad saw the audio anima-Johnny Depp-o-tronic on the news and said they did an awesome job!

Does anybody know where I can view more pics?

Thanks muchly! :)

~CuriousOfTheDolls

[Matterhorn Fan]

I bet the line won't go to City Hall when Florida's opens.

[BarTopDancer]

I may or may not be there tonight, depends on what we decide to do. I'm glad I didn't go yesterday. The hot and no ride would have just been annoying. It was much less annoying being hot at home. If I don't make it today then I won't see it until the 17th (sorry Steve!).

And for anyone (else) who cares the cheese in the 3 cheese monte cristo contains animal rennet.

[Matterhorn Fan]

And for anyone (else) who cares the cheese in the 3 cheese monte cristo contains animal rennet.Did you get sick? (You went meatless sometime in the last year, right??)

[BarTopDancer]

Did you get sick? (You went meatless sometime in the last year, right??)

I haven't been there yet. I called Disney Dining to find out since it was one of the few things I could maybe eat at the new Cafe Orleans.

(I gave up beef, chicken and pork about a year and a half ago, seafood about 6 months ago and animal rennet about 3 months ago [after I discovered what it was]).

[Not Afraid]

Do I care enough about the new pirates to drive to DL in traffic and wait for 2 hours in the heat and humidity? Or do I want to stay home in the relative coolness? Will the geek win out over the thermally challenged? Will the husband have influence either way?

[Mousey Girl]

Well... Nick and I are already home. We got to the park at 7:45 and the entrance line was already to the CALIFORNIA sign. We knew better and waited near the Early Entrance gates. By the time 8 came, the line was backed up to the DCA gates. When we got in the security guard was telling the people running that they might as well slow down since Pirates wait was already at the 2 hour mark. At one point the line went under the left tunnel to the entrance gates. It did seem to be moving pretty well, but it made for a very crowded area. EVERYTHING was crowded. They finally did some switch backs of the Pirate's que in NOL Square, but the line was still well past the Carnation Cafe when we fought our way out at 10ish. DCA had just opened and their lines were still no match for DL. The trains were even uber crowded.

I am not a big fan of the crowds and the only thing I can equate them to was when the MSEP was "glowing away forever" push of 10 years ago.

Our ride of Pirates will have to wait for another day... :(

[Capt Jack]

Will the geek win out over the thermally challenged?


go thermally challenged! go team!!!!
*pumps his sweaty arms in a rallying cry*

[Moonliner]

Sounds like we have a real nail biter here. Who will be the first LoT'er to ride the new PoTC.

Anyone care to lay some odds? I'll give you CP/GD if I can have Disneyphile and ML.

[BarTopDancer]

It will take us over an hour to get there leaving a 5. Maybe later tonight but it's not looking likely. The 17th is only 2 weeks away. I'll live.

[Not Afraid]

ML has already ridden it. He and Zap vie for first.

The rest of us suck. ;)

[Moonliner]

ML has already ridden it. He and Zap vie for first.

The rest of us suck. ;)

OK, fine then. How about odds on the first crew to scuttle their ship? :D

[wendybeth]

Odds are any ship scuttling will be done by LoT'ers, that's for sure.

[RStar]

(I gave up beef, chicken and pork about a year and a half ago, seafood about 6 months ago and animal rennet about 3 months ago [after I discovered what it was]).

I've heard this before, but didn't know what it was. So hear it is: The most common source of rennet is the abomasum (fourth stomach) of slaughtered, milk-fed new-born cow calves or other young ruminants such as camels or goats. Traditionally rennet was prepared by washing and salting the stomachs of animals shortly after slaughter. The rennet was then hung up and dried until needed.

I'm making cheese from Kefir right now. It'a a natural form of bacteria and other enzymes that has been used for thousands of years that is Rennet free. A little like yogurt, and helps your digestion even more! :snap:
Kefir Info (http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html)

Also, one reason I've been out of the loop lately is that I ruptured two discs in my neck and had surgery on May 22nd. I had the discs removed and bone fusion. :eek: So unfortunatly I won't be able to go on Pirates for a while more. But I'm looking forward to it!!

~Bob

[Not Afraid]

We're going to stay home in AC. I am faling grossly behind in my Disney geek activities. I haven't event seen Cars yet.

Anyone up for a 7/7 Pirates showing at 10:15 at The Block?

[innerSpaceman]

Yeah, the heat, the crowds ... not for me. Not for a ride that I'm destined to despise. Or even for one that I might like, but know every single detail about except for what my eyes alone can tell me.

Saturday morning is still my plan. I wasn't planning on getting there at 8:00, but if 9am seems like it would add more than an hour to my Pirates wait, I might consider getting there at opening.

I plan to be out of the Park by noon. If the heat and crowds descend before that, I will be leaving before that. I expect a long line for the ride, but I want the experience to be otherwise early-morningish at Disneyland.

[Mousey Girl]

Your best bet would be to go on a morning that does not offer early entry. The majority of the line this morning was early entry people.

[Matterhorn Fan]

I haven't been there yet. I called Disney Dining to find out since it was one of the few things I could maybe eat at the new Cafe Orleans.

(I gave up beef, chicken and pork about a year and a half ago, seafood about 6 months ago and animal rennet about 3 months ago [after I discovered what it was]).I found a potentially useful list of rennetless cheeses here: http://cheese.joyousliving.com/

I'm glad to see Vella on that list.

[BarTopDancer]

I found a potentially useful list of rennetless cheeses here: http://cheese.joyousliving.com/

I'm glad to see Vella on that list.

Thank you! I've been using that list for about a month now. I wish I had found it earlier, before I tossed a bunch of cheeses that were safe, but listed "enzymes" on their ingrediants. Live and learn.

Trader Joes also lists what type of rennet and enzymes is used in their cheeses.

Thanks again!

[tracilicious]

I'm making cheese from Kefir right now. It'a a natural form of bacteria and other enzymes that has been used for thousands of years that is Rennet free. A little like yogurt, and helps your digestion even more! :snap:
Kefir Info (http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html)



Kefir rocks. You and me, I think we'll get along just fine. As long as you know it's pronounced ke-fear and not keefer. :p

[MickeyLumbo]

Sounds like we have a real nail biter here. Who will be the first LoT'er to ride the new PoTC.

Anyone care to lay some odds? I'll give you CP/GD if I can have Disneyphile and ML.

(what is this thread about again?)


i rode PotC three times last thursday.

the first time while eating string cheese.

the second, it was "jack" cheese.

the third trip... well, let's just say a "slim jim".

[RStar]

As long as you know it's pronounced ke-fear and not keefer.

Yup, but only because Dom has a wave file on his site to listen to with him saying the word. At first I had no clue! All I know is it's not reefer! :eek:

So I assume the rennetless (which I want to call relentless :D ) cheeses are made with the vegetable or yeast enzymes? :snap:

Sorry, I think we should start another thread for this.

~Bob

[CoasterMatt]

I'm gonna eat some kind of cheese while aboard Pirates...

[Not Afraid]

This is the ODDEST derail I've EVER experienced!

[Snowflake]

This is the ODDEST derail I've EVER experienced!
It's got me thinking about Wallace & Gromit now

[Moonliner]

(what is this thread about again?)


i rode PotC three times last thursday.



Ha! I win. :D

[Gemini Cricket]

You call yourselves Disney fans?! Only a couple of people on LoT have been on the ride? I, for one, am shocked.
:D

(Of course, I'm joking.)
:D

[Ponine]

We're going to stay home in AC. I am faling grossly behind in my Disney geek activities. I haven't event seen Cars yet.

Anyone up for a 7/7 Pirates showing at 10:15 at The Block?
Why did I think that we have a 7/9 meet planned? Will the out of towners be 'in town' on the 7th?

(Oh look, its just at the bottom of the page... learn to read ahead Ponine) :rolleyes:

[Ghoulish Delight]

Okay, we made it on last night. :)

It really wasn't that insane. I got to the structure at 5:30, parked in Pinnochio. No one on the tram, no one at bag check. A decent entrance queue, but not too bad. By 6:00, I was in line for Pirates. The line extended into Frontierland, I joined it just in front of the Golden Horseshoe. They were breaking the line to let foot traffic pass, letting a chunk of people at at ime move up to the next section (it was routed behind the petrified tree).

And, of course, it moved. As a matter of fact, it moved too fast. I was waiting for CP, who got off work an hour later than I, by the time she was parking, I was already at up to the Pirates entrance tunnel! Took only 25 minutes to get there, and with my iPod and the overcast sky, it was a breeze. So I stepped aside in the line to wait, and when she got there, jumped back in. From that point, it was only another 15-20 minutes. So 40-45 minutes total, not a problem.

Okay, so what did I think of the ride? It comes out a wash for me, which translates to "I'm happy that it wasn't ruined". There are things that I will miss for certain, and there are new additions that didn't particularly impress/excite me. But nothing is absolutely horrible. It remains Pirates, and for that I'm happy. There's a small nod to the one thing I'll miss the most, which softened to blow a bit...but I still don't like it. The new music is a tad heavy-handed in one scene. And the scene the iSm is already pre-grousing about is a mixed bag.

But that first Depp AA that everyone's talking about is amazing. And perfectly done in that it's added to an existing scene without removing or altering that which makes the scene iconic. And for that I applaud them. The same can't really be said for much of the other additions.

The flashiest of the new effects was indeed impressive...but pointless. I like the execution, I just don't think it needs to be there.

Ramble, ramble, ramble. The long and the short of it is...at least it's not a cross-eyed bride with an axe.

[Gemini Cricket]

There's a small nod to the one thing I'll miss the most, which softened to blow a bit...but I still don't like it.
Which is..?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Which is..?
"You may not survive to pass this way again." The entire tunnel spiel is gone, replaced by the Davey Jones effect. A portion of it appears in a newly recorded bit on the final lift hill.

[Gemini Cricket]

"You may not survive to pass this way again." The entire tunnel spiel is gone, replaced by the Davey Jones effect. A portion of it appears in a newly recorded bit on the final lift hill.
Sorry, I didn't know we weren't being out and about about the POTC changes. I hope I didn't ruin anything.
One thing I was wondering is that people in the town are hiding Jack. But why are they protecting him? Or is that in the movie...?
I think it's kind of weird for Davy Jones to show up and then not appear again or be around for the rest of the ride.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Sorry, I didn't know we weren't being out and about about the POTC changes. I hope I didn't ruin anything.
One thing I was wondering is that people in the town are hiding Jack. But why are they protecting him? Or is that in the movie...?
I think it's kind of weird for Davy Jones to show up and then not appear again or be around for the rest of the ride.I like giving people the choice to be spoiled or not. But I suppose there's already been a bunch of open talk, so whatever.

Personally, I thought the changes made the ride feel shorter. I know my attention was on looking for the new elements, which means I tuned out stuff if there was no Johnny. And that made the ride seem to kinda speed by.

[Gemini Cricket]

I'm wondering, is there a way to speed up Pirates? I know they speed up HM during the holiday makeover.

[MickeyLumbo]

I'm wondering, is there a way to speed up Pirates?

:evil: avoid putting 18 LoTters in one boat with biggest guys in front row?

[Alex]

Just remember, in 20 years they'll try to make some significant change to the ride and our spiritual descendants will respond "what! that's a travesty! you can't mess with a classic!"

I've been concerned about it. A while ago I said on this board that there is only one Disney ride I find endlessly rideable; that ride is Pirates. I wasn't stuck on it remaining exactly the way it was but I also didn't want them to ruin whatever ineffable quality makes it work for me. I probably won't get to ride until sometime in August but I'm heartened that I have yet to year a single solidly negative reaction.

[Ponine]

:evil: avoid putting 18 LoTters in one boat with biggest guys in front row?
Not to quibble, but... that would be twenty. ;)

(though 18 is likey to mess it up too)

[AllyOops!]

I loved the few pics I saw on here, but it left me wanting more! My stepdad saw the audio anima-Johnny Depp-o-tronic on the news and said they did an awesome job!

Does anybody know where I can view more pics?

Thanks muchly! :)

~CuriousOfTheDolls

Why, yes Ally! I read, listened to, and acknowledged your question. I like you or at least pretend to for a Thread's sake.

I heard that you watched the ABC Channel 7 news at 6 p.m. and saw quick snippets of "Johnny Sparrow" peeking out of a barrel. Yes, Honey, I know you miss the girl-in-the-barrel. I know you miss it most of all because the pirate sitting next to her was holding that darling pink shoe that belonged to her. Even as a little girl, you loved your shoes.

Carry on, wayward sons. I got my answer.
:p ;)

[scaeagles]

I'm gonna eat some kind of cheese while aboard Pirates...

Take a corndog with you, too.:)

[Gemini Cricket]

Why, yes Ally! I read, listened to, and acknowledged your question. I like you or at least pretend to for a Thread's sake.
:p
Ho ho! I did answer your question, but just in another thread about Pirates. D'oh! So confusing... It's in the Johnny Refurb thread. Pics galore...
:D

[scaeagles]

Why, yes Ally! I read, listened to, and acknowledged your question.


Huh? Did you say something?

[Gemini Cricket]

Huh? Did you say something?
Did who say something?

[SacTown Chronic]

I'd better see the movie before experiencing the re-done attraction. I'm hard pressed to tell the difference between Johnny Depp in acting mode and an animatronic as it is. Seeing Depp in the movie after viewing his animatronic likeness might be too much for me to handle.

[Not Afraid]

Now, we're thinking that we'll go on Thursday before Nina Hagen at HOB.

I wonder when we'll see Cars?

[Gemini Cricket]

Now, we're thinking that we'll go on Thursday before Nina Hagen at HOB.
Will you go sooner if we say they added swans to the ride? :D

[Not Afraid]

Possibly. ;)

[Snowflake]

Will you go sooner if we say they added swans to the ride? :D

And this is what was missing in Cars, as well.:)

[Moonliner]

Just remember, in 20 years they'll try to make some significant change to the ride and our spiritual descendants will respond "what! that's a travesty! you can't mess with a classic!"

I've been concerned about it. A while ago I said on this board that there is only one Disney ride I find endlessly rideable; that ride is Pirates. I wasn't stuck on it remaining exactly the way it was but I also didn't want them to ruin whatever ineffable quality makes it work for me. I probably won't get to ride until sometime in August but I'm heartened that I have yet to year a single solidly negative reaction.


That's right, just like there are now hoards of 20ish'ers out there complaining that boat captains are NOT supposed to have guns, and pirates are supposed to chase food.

[Snowflake]

Are you telling me that:

Before the first drop, we have no X-Atencio????!!!

Did I misunderstand? If that's the case, I'm pretty depressed......:(

[Ghoulish Delight]

Are you telling me that:

Before the first drop, we have no X-Atencio????!!!

Did I misunderstand? If that's the case, I'm pretty depressed......:(No, no, no. That remains in tact. Squirrels continue to be ahead.

[Ponine]

No, no, no. That remains in tact. Squirrels continue to be ahead.
Someone said squirrels.... enlighten me of things squirrelly.

[Not Afraid]

Thar be Squirrels ahead.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Someone said squirrels.... enlighten me of things squirrelly.
Before the first drop, the talking skull warns you that "Thar be squalls ahead". But "squalls" sounds remarkably like "squirrels".

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I probably won't get to ride until sometime in August but I'm heartened that I have yet to year a single solidly negative reaction.I think you won't hate it either. The key is that even after all the changes, it's still Pirates. I thought the lighting, sound, set dressing, and effects have been improved in nearly every scene that wasn't truly altered. Most of the Depp additions seemed fine to me, although the last one seemed kinda thrown in there.

It's still Pirates, and I'll still ride it over and over.

Ok, I can read the other thread now.

[Ponine]

Before the first drop, the talking skull warns you that "Thar be squalls ahead". But "squalls" sounds remarkably like "squirrels".
HA!!!
I always thought it sounded like SKULLS!

I am much happier that other people hear squirrels.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Can anyone provide a link to video of the premiere? I can't find anything.

[Snowflake]

No, no, no. That remains in tact. Squirrels continue to be ahead.

Thank goodness! (whew) I was nervous for a minute

[katiesue]

http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=580632

there you go

[AllyOops!]

Ho ho! I did answer your question, but just in another thread about Pirates. D'oh! So confusing... It's in the Johnny Refurb thread. Pics galore...
:D

Aww! Your'e the best, GC!! :) :snap: :argghh: I'll go a huntin' for pics in the other Thread!! Thank you so much!!


Huh? Did you say something?
:D

Yes, I did. I can suck a basketball through a garden hose while handcuffed and preferrably on my knees.

Are you listening now? :p :p :D

[scaeagles]

Yes, I did. I can suck a basketball through a garden hose while handcuffed and preferrably on my knees.

Are you listening now? :p :p :D

You have my undivided attention. I even noticed your tongue is sticking out.

[Moonliner]

Yes, I did. I can suck a basketball through a garden hose while handcuffed and preferrably on my knees.


Now THAT is a world class thread derailleur. Beats all that stuff about cheese and animal whatever three ways from Sunday. It was the handcuffs that put it over the top for me. :blush:

[Gemini Cricket]

Ho ho! I think Ally just proved a point. They're noticing ya now, Ally! :D

Ally: 1
Straight Dudes: 0

[scaeagles]

She has my attention so much it inspired me to start a thread.:D

[Moonliner]

Ho ho! I think Ally just proved a point. They're noticing ya now, Ally! :D

Ally: 1
Straight Dudes: 0

Is that supposed to be a pun?

[Gemini Cricket]

Is that supposed to be a pun?
Uh...yes. Yes it is.
:D

[scaeagles]

Ho ho! I think Ally just proved a point.

Are you calling Ally a ho?

[Gemini Cricket]

Are you calling Ally a ho?
Uh...no. No, I'm not. I know better than that. Ally slaps hard. :D

[Scrooge McSam]

Ally slaps hard. :D

Really? Yo, Ally... Whatcha doing on the 9th?

[scaeagles]

Ally is going to have a lot to comment on when she logs on next time.

I think I'll add that to the list of what Ally can do in the what can you do thread. (Italics! Yay!)

[Gemini Cricket]

I've been framed! :D

[SacTown Chronic]

Really? Yo, Ally... Whatcha doing on the 9th?Yeah....we wants the Ally.

[Alex]

That's right, just like there are now hoards of 20ish'ers out there complaining that boat captains are NOT supposed to have guns, and pirates are supposed to chase food.

The guns were only gone for a couple years and the pirates are still chasing food.

[Moonliner]

The guns were only gone for a couple years and the pirates are still chasing food.

Are you sure? (about the pirates)


But in anycase, the point remains that only some changes are accepted over the long term.

[Alex]

I haven't been on it so I'm not sure. But Adrienne Vincent-Phoenix has and she says they're still chasing food.

Name some 20 year old changes that are still widely complained about? By someone other than merlinjones.

But my point was that eventually these changes will become the only way that the majority of people remember the ride and as it calcifies in their brains that way they'll lament major changes.

[Moonliner]

I haven't been on it so I'm not sure. But Adrienne Vincent-Phoenix has and she says they're still chasing food.

Name some 20 year old changes that are still widely complained about? By someone other than merlinjones.

But my point was that eventually these changes will become the only way that the majority of people remember the ride and as it calcifies in their brains that way they'll lament major changes.

It's the fatalistic note the OP sounded that fell flat for me. Yes change is inevitable and it can be for the best but that's not always the case and even if a bad change lasts for 20 Years and people grow up with it that does not make it a good thing. People complained about the river boat guns, and the PC makeover of pirates and now some of those changes have been reversed.

[Alex]

I was making no comment on the quality of the change. Just that, for the most part, people seem to think that whatever Disneyland was when they were 12 is the best it ever was (I know, that isn't true for everybody or for all things; thus it is a generalization).

After enough time has passed if you asked the average person whether they should put Country Bear back in their theater I posit the answer would be no simply because for the average person they'll only have known it as Pooh and that is comfortable for them.

[Moonliner]

I was making no comment on the quality of the change. Just that, for the most part, people seem to think that whatever Disneyland was when they were 12 is the best it ever was (I know, that isn't true for everybody or for all things; thus it is a generalization).

After enough time has passed if you asked the average person whether they should put Country Bear back in their theater I posit the answer would be no simply because for the average person they'll only have known it as Pooh and that is comfortable for them.

Alex likes Pooh.... (Sorry my mind is stuck in another thread...)

As long as you will agree it's a generalization I'm good. There are still certianly some things (peoplemover, subs..) that people who never experienced still miss.

[Not Afraid]

I am soooooo glad I didn't go to the Park last night. There's a report on MC that was copied from a post on MP that tells an absolute horror story of people being trapped on the ride for 90 minutes, people having panic attacks, children soiling themselves and SAP guests being carried out. Just the thought of being in that situation makes me shudder. I know I probably would've missed the terror but what an awful situation.

[Alex]

I would point out that there are about five other accounts in the MP thread from people who were on the ride then and nobody else seems to have experienced anything of the sort.

[Not Afraid]

That's good to hear, because the account I read was just awful.

[Kevy Baby]

...an absolute horror story of people being trapped on the ride for 90 minutes...Well, it's not like we didn't cause that at the Pirates send-off Lot meet!

[€uroMeinke]

Well, it's not like we didn't cause that at the Pirates send-off Lot meet!

Heh - yeah :D

[CoasterMatt]

Sounds like a LoT meet went well, what's so awful about that?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=580632

there you goThanks for the link! I have to admit though, I tried watching it but failed. Seems they think I want to know everything about the movie before I see it. I'm going to try watching on mute and skip the clips, just so I can see Johnny etal at DL.

[katiesue]

Thanks for the link! I have to admit though, I tried watching it but failed. Seems they think I want to know everything about the movie before I see it. I'm going to try watching on mute and skip the clips, just so I can see Johnny etal at DL.

I could only watch about 20 mins of it. The "Diva" person has to be the most annoying person on planet earth.

[RStar]

I have to agree, Diva is most anoying!

I got to the park about 7:30 pm and Pirates was down again. We got something to eat and checked it out at about 8:00 and it was open and had a 2.5 hr queue! We grabed a spot center front of castle for Fireworks, then a spot center on Rivers for Fantasmic! after that. Both shows were great! I hadn't seen them in a while (F! for a couple of years!) but I was with freinds from Liverpool, England. One of which had never been to the States or to any Disney park. He is a manager at a small park in England, and was blown away by Disney!

Anyway, we went on HM after F! to let the crowds die down and were ready to leave the park by then and didn't even notice how the queue was for Pirates after that, but my guess is that at about 11:30 there was no way we could get on it anyway.

~Bob

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Rode it today. Hadn't seen any spoilers beforehand.

We both thought they did a really good job with it. I was pleasantly surprised.