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SzczerbiakManiac
08-14-2006, 11:01 AM
From the (UK) Sunday Times (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2310051.html)Doubts whether Depp can cut it as Sweeney Todd

As a pirate Johnny Depp rules the waves, but can he master the high Cs? Stephen Sondheim, the veteran composer, wants the actor to take a voice test before he blesses Depp as cinema's latest Sweeney Todd.

The 76-year-old composer is concerned that Depp, who has played with rock bands since he was 13 and based his anti-hero Jack Sparrow on Keith Richards, the Rolling Stone, may be too "rock'n'roll" to play the murderous barber of Fleet Street.

Tim Burton, the London-based director behind the proposed film, has been praising Depp's singing voice, but Sondheim needs to be convinced. The composer has said that he will not approve a cinematic version of his Broadway musical, which he describes as "virtually an opera", if the main character has to mime rather than sing.

"He wants to make sure that all versions of his works are the best possible," said his spokesman.

Hollywood producers acting as mediators between the New York composer and the London-based director have tracked down rock records made by Depp during the 1980s. However, on most of them Depp only plays guitar, so some other form of voice test may prove necessary.

This musical demand did not affect the previous portrayals of the Victorian era's favourite villain. He has been played by the aptly-named but tone deaf Tod Slaughter in 1936, followed more recently by Ben Kingsley and Ray Winstone in British television adaptations.

In the original story from 1847, based on a court report in The Times, Todd cuts his clients' throats and tumbles them into a cellar where an accomplice turns them into meat pies. But Burton wants to film the Sondheim version in which the barber is seeking revenge on a judge who destroyed his family.

Depp, 43, a half-Irish, half-Cherokee American, once described how he used rock music to escape depression and self-mutilation in his adolescence. Like other actors such as Keanu Reeves and Bruce Willis, he has carried on playing his music off-screen, appearing on Top of the Pops in 1994 with the Irish band the Pogues. He imitated Elvis Presley in his early film Cry Baby where he proved that he could sing, albeit in a stylised fashion.

A business source close to Depp said that the actor had been bemused by Sondheim's request: "He finds it funny that there are questions about his voice as he has been singing all his life."

Actors are not always great singers, as Clint Eastwood proved when he talked to the trees in Paint Your Wagon.

In the 1960s Marni Nixon, the soprano, secretly lent her voice to Audrey Hepburn in My Fair Lady, to Natalie Wood in West Side Story and to Deborah Kerr in The King and I.

Recently a number of actors have successfully played well known
singers: Jamie Foxx won an Oscar for his portrayal of Ray Charles, followed last year by Reese Witherspoon as June Carter Cash; Joaquin Phoenix was nominated for his role of Johnny Cash in Walk the Line.
Their success has encouraged studios to take more chances with raw voices.

Both Julia Roberts and Nicole Kidman have talked about signing up for a musical. A spokesman for Kidman said last week: "Of course she can sing, but how good is she? I do not know, I have not been in a shower with her."

LSPoorEeyorick
08-14-2006, 12:20 PM
Well, he's a bit too young for the role right now. Physically, at least. And though he has the charisma, it's really quite a difficult singing role.

I don't always like Burton, and I don't know if he'd add to or harm the material. Damn, I do love Sweeney, though.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812
08-14-2006, 12:27 PM
I can understand the concern. I also understand Depp being bemused. But Gerard Butler (who sang in some rock bands, I think) couldn't even cut a pseudo opera like Phantom. After that musical hit the big screen, I'm not surprised a composer is demanding more of a vetting process for cinematic versions of their stage musicals.

mousepod
08-14-2006, 12:42 PM
Who else is supposed to be in the cast? I've seen many Todds ruined by an annoying Anthony (though the character is annoying on purpose, I think). And Mrs. Lovett, so far nobody can touch Angela Lansbury, though Patti Lupone isn't bad.

...and what about the Italian?

LSPoorEeyorick
08-14-2006, 12:51 PM
We're voting for Traci Ullman for Lovett. (Not that we have any say.)

Neil Patrick Harris makes a great Toby.

mousepod
08-14-2006, 01:20 PM
Niel Patrick Harris kicks serious Sondheim ass. We saw him in the B'way revival of Assassins. Wow.

Alex
08-14-2006, 01:28 PM
Crap.

There is a movie where a young girl (I think) sees Sweeney Todd on stage in New York and then wants to redo it in her school talent show (or something like that).

And now I can't think of what movie that is and it is driving me bonkers.

mousepod
08-14-2006, 01:30 PM
Kevin Smith's bomb Jersey Girl. Ben Affleck plays her dad (and Sweeney).

Alex
08-14-2006, 01:35 PM
Ah yes. Well, that is embarrassing.

In my defense though, I only saw the movie because it was one of the four movies on in roation during my Disney cruise. I never actually sat through the whole thing in one sitting but over the course of the week I ended up seeing it all in various bits and pieces.

LSPoorEeyorick
08-14-2006, 01:55 PM
Niel Patrick Harris kicks serious Sondheim ass. We saw him in the B'way revival of Assassins. Wow.

Then you also saw Alex (who was in my graduating class at U of M.) He was Hinckley. He was also in the NY revival of Sweeney (which opened the week after we were in NY. Damn. It was such a cool concept, and we're big Sondheim fans.)

mousepod
08-14-2006, 02:01 PM
I'm sure you're right... if I can dig up the Playbill I'll let you know for sure. The Hinckley/Squeaky duet was great - "I am unworthy of your love..." Now I've got the darn thing stuck in my head.

Gemini Cricket
08-14-2006, 02:40 PM
I saw Doggie Howser play Mark in 'Rent' in LA. He was good. :)

Ponine
08-14-2006, 04:04 PM
Then you also saw Alex (who was in my graduating class at U of M.) He was Hinckley. He was also in the NY revival of Sweeney (which opened the week after we were in NY. Damn. It was such a cool concept, and we're big Sondheim fans.)
Is he the Hinckely on the new soundtrack too?

I agree with what LSPE said originally, I think Depp is too young for the role.
But, far be it from me to say he cant do it based on age.
Though I do wish they would consider a man with a bit more age behind him to pull off that role.

And Landsbury... in order to come close to her, they will need to find a woman willing to make that role her own.
I have sang that role, never performed it, but sang. And that would NOT be a character I would like to attempt.

I'm curious to see where this goes.

LSPoorEeyorick
08-14-2006, 04:13 PM
Yep, that's him. (His father is the regular music director for Sondheim-- but he's quite good so I wouldn't call it nepotism.)

innerSpaceman
08-14-2006, 06:57 PM
Well, I've been wrong about controversial casting choices before ...but, to me, Depp = Sweeney = blech.

Not Afraid
08-14-2006, 07:51 PM
All I can think about is his singing at the end of the Pirates ride. It always makes me grimace.

Ghoulish Delight
08-14-2006, 07:54 PM
All I can think about is his singing at the end of the Pirates ride. It always makes me grimace.
It's a-melodic and off key. Sounds perfect for Sondheim [/snide] (I actually really like Sweeney Todd, which is a rare thing for me and a Sondheim)

Babette
08-14-2006, 08:42 PM
Ah yes. Well, that is embarrassing.

In my defense though, I only saw the movie because it was one of the four movies on in roation during my Disney cruise. I never actually sat through the whole thing in one sitting but over the course of the week I ended up seeing it all in various bits and pieces.
Riiiiight! (hee hee ;) ) IMO Jersey Girl is a cute movie. Not Kevin Smith's usual style, and made during the Bennifer years, but still a cute movie. Don't be embarrassed you saw it. I still respect you.

Jersey Girl is actually my first exposure to Sweeney Todd. I had heard of it, but never seen any production. I caught Patty and the revival cast's performance on the Tony's and it looks pretty interesting. (I don't really care about the awards, but record and fast-forward to see all of the performances). I was not surprised to hear Burton was making the theatrical version.

I love both Burton and Depp, they are a proven team, but I would like to see another actor in the part. Depp can be serious, silly, slashed, Sparrow, a snitch, a soldier, a sibling, psychadelic, sweet, silent, a sleuth, a sniffer, scary, sexy, smarmy. I just don't know if he can be a singer. (Cry Baby doesnt' count) We'll just have to wait and see.

(P.S. My friend saw Doogie in a play and he was NAKED!)

€uroMeinke
08-14-2006, 09:03 PM
I think Burton could do a great Sweeny Todd - maybe they should just ditch the music?

innerSpaceman
08-14-2006, 09:20 PM
Um, no.

Sweeney Todd the straight horror flick and Sweeney Todd, the Demon Barber of Fleet Street, the nearly operatic musical are two different animals ... and the former would likely be a mere shadow to the genius of the latter.


But for god's sake, ditch Depp.

LSPoorEeyorick
08-14-2006, 10:25 PM
I think Burton could do a great Sweeny Todd - maybe they should just ditch the music?

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SzczerbiakManiac
08-17-2006, 11:23 AM
It looks like Johnny got the part (http://news.yahoo.com/s/eo/20060817/en_movies_eo/19782).

Alex
08-17-2006, 11:31 AM
"Here Mr. Sondheim, we've arranged a demonstration of Mr. Depp's vocal skills. For acoustical reasons we'll be doing it over here next to this very large suitcase full of money. Sadly, Mr. Depp pulled a muscle while carrying it in so hopefully you won't mind but he'll be leaving it behind for you to dispose of."

flippyshark
08-17-2006, 12:41 PM
Apropos of nothing, I once performed the role of Pirelli in a production of this brilliant musical.

I'm with those who don't see Depp as a good choice. Maybe Depp will surprise me, but I really can't imagine his often fey speaking voice having the kind of blood and thunder Todd would need. I really hope this movie won't suck, because it's one of the greatest musicals of any era.

LSPoorEeyorick
08-17-2006, 01:59 PM
Oh, D, we are completely of one mind. Please, god, let this not suck.

mousepod
08-17-2006, 03:14 PM
Well, at least there's a DVD of the George Hearne / Angela Lansbury version out there. I was initially bummed that it didn't include Len Cariou in the title role, but Hearne was pretty darn good...
If the Burton version sucks, at least we'll have something to watch.

JWBear
08-17-2006, 03:40 PM
Any word on who will play Mrs Lovett?

Ponine
08-17-2006, 04:45 PM
I've seen nothing, and just searched and still see nothing.
Tons of rumors, but nothing even near as concrete as Depp.

Who's playing the role on Broadway? Is it still LuPone?

LSPoorEeyorick
08-17-2006, 04:59 PM
Nope. Not a rumor. Story in the Times today.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-qt-todd17aug17,1,5853643.story

€uroMeinke
08-17-2006, 09:01 PM
Any word on who will play Mrs Lovett?

My guess would be Helena Bonham Carter

innerSpaceman
08-17-2006, 09:18 PM
and my guess is certain suckitude.

I'm not basing that on the obvious miscasting of Depp ... I and many others have been wrong before with "obvious" miscasting that turned out to be brilliant.

Instead, I'm basing it on Burton's record of adapted works vs. original works. He sucks at adaptation, imo. And so, dear friends, this.will.suk.

JWBear
08-17-2006, 09:32 PM
My guess would be Helena Bonham Carter
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lashbear
08-17-2006, 09:37 PM
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Never fear - I just heard they got Jennifer Tilley instead ! :evil:

Ghoulish Delight
08-17-2006, 09:39 PM
Catherine O'Hara?

xharryb
08-18-2006, 11:42 AM
I'm extremely curious to see where this all goes. I have many doubts, and like most of you can't picure Depp in the role, but at the same time I'm intrigued.

I don't necesarily think Depp is to young as far as actual age, just in the way that we are used to seeing him as more youthful and attractive. My problem is that I picture Sweeney being a bit larger and much more imposing physically. Interestingly enough, my local community theater just cast a production of the show with a guy who youngish, attractive and built like Depp. So perhaps seeing his performance might give me a slightly different perspective.

Reading things about Sondheim's protectiveness over his work actually gives me a bit more hope than I had when I first read about a possible film a few months back. The way that the remainder of the cast is filled out will most likely steer a bit more towards either optimism or skepticism. It's a shame Wlaken just signed on to Hairspray, because I could see him fitting in well with a Burton Sweeney.

LSPoorEeyorick
08-18-2006, 12:33 PM
Walken would have been an excellent Sweeney (if he had the vocal chops.)

innerSpaceman
08-18-2006, 07:09 PM
Where's Marni Nixon when you need her?

Snowflake
08-18-2006, 07:20 PM
Where's Marni Nixon when you need her?

Have Angela Lansbury do the Marni Nixon memorial voice over. One of my most treasured thater memories was seeing this in SF with Lansbury and Len Cariou.

Prudence
08-18-2006, 08:02 PM
Oh wow - I remember Marni Nixon. This is a true nostalgia week for me. Bing bong bang it's boomerang!

LSPoorEeyorick
08-19-2006, 12:15 AM
Have Angela Lansbury do the Marni Nixon memorial voice over. One of my most treasured thater memories was seeing this in SF with Lansbury and Len Cariou.

We saw Ang and Len do "A Little Priest" last summer at the Hollywood Bowl's celebration of Sondheim's 75th birthday. It was thrilling, but she doesn't have the range anymore, sadly.

LSPoorEeyorick
10-05-2007, 08:42 AM
I have seen the trailer (http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809834155/video/4367764).

And me personally? I will have vengeance. Particularly if so much of the songs has been changed into dialogue. And for the record, sir, it's not "vennnnnnnnnngeannnnnce," it's "veeeeeeeeengeaaaaance." Nasal much?

(Also, through a strange and fortuitous coincidence, I have heard the last third of the film's audio. Maybe not the last third. It sounded to me like it was missing a bit of a reel: it didn't end the way it usually does. God I HOPE it was a missing reel, and not revisionist resolution.)

If you can't tell... the musical is... kind of... my favorite thing ever.

Snowflake
10-05-2007, 08:51 AM
Have a little Priest, LSPE

I saw this in SF with Lansbury and George Hearn in 1981 (I think) in the original staging. It was awesome.

I love Depp, but now I need to go back and re-read this thread, oput of sight, off my radar and all that!

And I can't watch videos at work any longer.....1984 all over again! At least I can still post on LoT.

JWBear
10-05-2007, 09:21 AM
The clip seems to de-emphasize that this is a musical. Hmmm.

Not Afraid
10-05-2007, 09:24 AM
It looks pretty.

Alex
10-05-2007, 09:45 AM
I can't find it now but I read something from Sondheim a few days ago saying that the movie "isn't a Broadway musical."

I may be misremembering the quote since I am not finding it again but whatever it was I came away from reading it with the expectation that "musicalness" was seriously curtailed.

Prudence
10-05-2007, 10:04 AM
Urg.....Trailer looks inappropriately pretentious....and yet Alan Rickman is in it, which means I have to see it.

Snowflake
10-05-2007, 10:12 AM
Urg.....Trailer looks inappropriately pretentious....and yet Alan Rickman is in it, which means I have to see it.



Ding Ding Ding........Alan Rickman and Timothy Spall

Morrigoon
10-05-2007, 10:31 AM
I saw Doggie Howser play Mark in 'Rent' in LA. He was good. :)

Saw that too. Yes, he was :snap:

ozron
10-05-2007, 10:38 AM
I'm withholding judgement on this. It could be the best movie musical since Chicago, or the biggest dissapointment since Phantom (or even Evita). I've done Sweeney twice, on a small stage, and a big stage, and I do love the piece, so I'm hopeful.

I like Depp, Burton, Carter and Rickman. Whether they have the musical chops or not has yet to be seen. (Okay, I think Burton does.) On an encouraging note, the bulk of the cast seems to have been pulled from West End stages rather than movie people, so at least some of them should know what they're doing.

ron

Cadaverous Pallor
10-05-2007, 10:40 AM
It looks pretty.My thoughts exactly. If it's any good at all it stands to be this generation's lightning rod for gothness. It's so nice to see Depp in spooky makeup again. :)

I'm no expert in ST (saw a high school production) so I'm sure my opinion will completely differ from the dedicated fans.



Hey, was that Sasha Baron Cohen I saw briefly in there??

Kevy Baby
10-05-2007, 10:45 AM
Hey, was that Sasha Baron Cohen I saw briefly in there??Yep. He is playing Signor Adolfo Pirelli (at least according to IMDB (http://imdb.com/title/tt0408236/))

Morrigoon
10-05-2007, 10:46 AM
This looks fun, actually.

But count me in the camp that wants to decapitate the next Hollywood person to decide that sung lines should be spoken over their music. Little Lotte indeed.

Alex
10-05-2007, 11:03 AM
I'm withholding judgement on this. It could be the best movie musical since Chicago,

I'm reserving judgment too. But Chicago was the worst movie musical of the last 20 years (or at least the worst well-regarded one) so I think we're both reserving very different judgments.

Morrigoon
10-05-2007, 11:21 AM
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?!?!!?

I thought they did an awesome job with Chicago! I mean, yeah I missed "Me and My Baby", which was reduced to background music for a montage, BUT, I thought the director did a terrific job of giving it a theatrical feel without making it look like they just filmed the stage play.

(Though that can work too, Into The Woods being a good example, speaking of Sondheim)

Strangler Lewis
10-05-2007, 11:27 AM
I saw this in SF with Lansbury and George Hearn in 1981 (I think) in the original staging. It was awesome.



As did I. Twice, as a poor student.

Snowflake
10-05-2007, 11:31 AM
As did I. Twice, as a poor student.

If I could have afforded it, I would have gone twice! but I spent many a morning putting the soundtrack on in the morning and singing along as I got ready for work.

Chernabog
10-05-2007, 11:40 AM
I'm reserving judgment too. But Chicago was the worst movie musical of the last 20 years (or at least the worst well-regarded one) so I think we're both reserving very different judgments.

Woah.... I *almost* agree with Alex on something :P Chicago was not *the* worst, but I definitely felt it was vastly VASTLY overrated. I like the music (from the movie), I freaking LOVE the staged musical.... but the movie was sort of meh. A pale imitation of Chicago, with none of the fun or the emotional oomph. Not particularly cast well IMHO either. I went to a sing-a-long of Chicago (the movie) once which was fun, but that was because it was a singalong!

Back to Sweeny:

I think it is wierd that the trailer tries to veer away from the fact that it is a musical. There are a LOT of songs. There is a LOT of singing. I had read that it was to get people to see the movie that wouldn't normally go if they knew it was a musical. (yeah, that's a good way to make people happy, people just love being taken for a bait-and-switch).

I think it looks good, but I still see Johnny as so pretty boy, not scary or imposing at all -- but I'll reserve judgment until I've seen the whole movie. Sascha Baron Cohen as Pirelli is just awesome.

LSPoorEeyorick
10-05-2007, 11:53 AM
Actually, it appears there may not be a lot of songs OR singing. I found Alex's quote in question here: http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=news&id=11953

I know from my accidental overhearing of the film that, as of this cut, "Not While I'm Around" is in. And presumably "A Little Priest," seeing as the reprise is in place. And presumably "By the Sea," presuming that the technicolor seaside scenes in the trailer are in Lovett's mind.

Yes, I agree it looks well-shot and interestingly designed (and I totally love the chair design in particular.) I guess my sadness is that I so deeply love the entire score-- from "attend the tale" to "fleet street"... and I, as yet, have no evidence that the prologue/epilogue will be included.

I always say-- I can judge the potential of a production of Sweeney by the quality of the factory whistle. I guess I will wait to hear it before I really make any judgments. I know it isn't going to be the original production-- nor is it supposed to be-- but it's hard to see your favorite thing (a favorite thing you very much want to do, yourself) in the hands of someone else.

Morrigoon
10-05-2007, 11:55 AM
Worst pies in London, anyone?

Snowflake
10-05-2007, 12:10 PM
Woah.... I *almost* agree with Alex on something :P Chicago was not *the* worst, but I definitely felt it was vastly VASTLY overrated. I like the music (from the movie), I freaking LOVE the staged musical.... but the movie was sort of meh. A pale imitation of Chicago, with none of the fun or the emotional oomph. Not particularly cast well IMHO either. I went to a sing-a-long of Chicago (the movie) once which was fun, but that was because it was a singalong!

I thought the musical was okay, other friends LOVED it. Of course, I prefer the 1927 silent film version, ahem. :blush:

xharryb
10-05-2007, 12:32 PM
I guess my sadness is that I so deeply love the entire score-- from "attend the tale" to "fleet street"... and I, as yet, have no evidence that the prologue/epilogue will be included.


This is me as well. I love the show, and I'm so far loving the look of the film, but what matters most to me is the music. I'm reserving judgement until I hear more of it. I am a bit concerned about the lack of the prologue/epilogue though. I know there were several actors cast as "ghosts" early on and the rumor was that they would sing those bits, but then those characters got cut somewhere along the line. I have no solid evidence other than the castings and the cuttings, but it does seem scarily plausible.

mousepod
10-05-2007, 12:59 PM
I admit I'm a huge fan of Sondheim's Sweeney Todd. I saw the original production on Broadway with Len Cariou, and have since enjoyed a number of different revivals and "re-imaginings".

While my love for Tim Burton has vanished since the atrocious Planet of the Apes remake, I like the look of this movie (or at least the trailer). And if it even has a bit of the original musical in it, I'll bet I'll enjoy it.

And if the music doesn't hold up, there's still the George Hearn/Angela Lansbury DVD from "Great Performances," so at least this won't be the only video recording of the show.

(and I still love Alan Parker's Evita)

Chernabog
10-05-2007, 01:25 PM
(and I still love Alan Parker's Evita)

Wow, and I thought that Evita was unwatchable (even tho I do like the music, especially the orchestrations, to the movie version). Montage, anyone? Oh wait, let's have another montage. Oh oops we almost had a scene, but just kidding we're going to make it a montage. It's a textbook case of "what works on stage may not work cinematically".

Plus Morrigoon and I emphatically agree that whoever did Jonathan Pryce's makeup in that movie made him look like an anthromorphic turtle. :cool:

Back to sweeny: Tim Burton stuff is so hit-and-miss (The good: Batman, Edward Scissorhands, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. The bad: Corpse Bride, Planet of the Apes)... it's hard to tell from the trailer.

But I agree with others, it is all about the music. I think that "Not While I'm Around" is just as important as the Prologue ("Attend the tale of Sweeny Todd...") and "A Little Priest" (the end of the trailer seems to show the lead in to that song), so I seriously hope they don't cut it.

Movie musicals are always a weird thing with me anyway -- it takes a bit for me to get away from the "oh, that's different than the play and I like the way they did it in the play better" type mentality. I don't expect them to film the play either (again what works on stage may not work cinematically) but there's a point at which you gut the underlying work so much that what made the underlying work good is lost in translation entirely.

Morrigoon
10-05-2007, 01:56 PM
But, for example, would you like Hello, Dolly! better onstage, do you think?

Strangler Lewis
10-05-2007, 03:06 PM
I agree about Evita. I enjoyed it well enough because of the music, but it struck me as having too many unnecessary cuts to prove it was a realistic movie, not a stage play.

I liked Chicago. I thought it did justice to the stagey, Brechtian, blah, blah, blah of the story.

Alex
10-05-2007, 03:19 PM
Woah.... I *almost* agree with Alex on something :P Chicago was not *the* worst..

To be fair, if I think about it in a vacuum it is merely a thoroughly mediocre movie musical. But it receives 5 billion additional demerits for accumulating so much thoroughly unwarranted praise including one of the great Best Picture boners of all time (though not the greatest).

xharryb
10-05-2007, 05:24 PM
Wow. So much hatred for Chicago. It's almost enough to make me sad if I cared about other people's opinions. Perhaps this is a discussion better had elsewhere so as not to derail this thread, but why is it that so many of you don't care for the film version. Is it because the stage version you know and love is the current incarnation? Because frankly, I don't care for the concert style staging they've been doing for the last 10 years or so. I much preffer it done in period, as it was originally and again in the movie. But I could just be completely biased based on my own experience with the show.

Alex
10-05-2007, 06:13 PM
I've never seen the stage version.

I like movie musicals, I just found Chicago to be boring, poorly performed, horribly choreographed, a really stupid story (this likely being a flaw in the stage version as well), and I didn't like a single person in the movie. In other words, my only coherent response I can make to the question "why don't you like it is" is "I don't see how anybody would."


And before the "but that's just you're opinion" I'll just say of course it is just my opinion.

As far as Sweeney Todd, if it has gone the way of a halfway musical that probably isn't a good thing (go balls to the wall or go home is my general opinion such things) but I'll wait and see. I also have never seen the stage version of this. All I know about Sweeney Todd are the bits in Jersey Girl.

Cadaverous Pallor
10-05-2007, 06:15 PM
I loved Chicago. In fact, I'd say the exact opposite of Alex - wonderfully performed, tight story, great choreography, timely issues. Just sayin'.

Snowflake
10-05-2007, 06:26 PM
The clip seems to de-emphasize that this is a musical. Hmmm.

Yes, almost no musical in the trailer. This will be interesting to say the least, oh yes, I will see it, no question about it. It looks lush, that's for sure. Spall as Beadle will be great, as well. Rickman, I will enjoy, tremendously.

Now to break out the Sweeney Todd soundtrack (original) which will color my opinion of the film, no matter how good/creative or well done it may be.

mistyisjafo
10-09-2007, 01:23 PM
I'm not a fan of the musical but I am looking forward to seeing Tim Burton's take on Sweeney. From what I've seen in the preview it looks fun! Who needs great singing when Johnny is slashing?

LSPoorEeyorick
11-20-2007, 06:57 PM
Not very good sound quality, but here's some audio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WZTWaBoZ0c) from the sneak preview last week. "Johanna."

I am not unhappy - and that's saying a lot!

Morrigoon
11-21-2007, 12:04 AM
LS: you can find the original with Angela Lansbury in 16 parts on YouTube :)

Snowflake
11-21-2007, 08:01 AM
LS: you can find the original with Angela Lansbury in 16 parts on YouTube :)

Very cool! Thanks for the tip!

LSPoorEeyorick
11-21-2007, 10:50 AM
LS: you can find the original with Angela Lansbury in 16 parts on YouTube :)

Or, in our DVD rack! ;) Heh, thanks- you never know when you might need to pull out a little Sweeney. (Or a little priest.)

mousepod
11-27-2007, 12:12 AM
Saw the new (very musical) commercial on TV. I got chills. This could be good...

lashbear
11-27-2007, 02:58 AM
I HAVE to see this film now. ...and the one with Angela.

lashbear
11-27-2007, 02:59 AM
1997 posts. Yay. A good year.

LSPoorEeyorick
11-28-2007, 02:57 PM
The full website (http://www.sweeneytoddmovie.com/) is up - complete with a music player which offers A Little Priest, as well as some of By the Sea, Epiphany, Green Finch and Linnet Bird, Johanna, No Place Like London, Pirelli's Miracle Elixir, Pretty Women, and Worst Pies in London. So basically... everything. Or nearly.

And I think it sounds pretty good, all things considered. I miss "The Ballad of Sweeney Todd." I'll get over it.

wendybeth
11-28-2007, 09:17 PM
Just the cinematography alone would be worth the price of admission- it's gorgeous. I am not a musical fan, but I will definitely be seeing this!

mousepod
11-28-2007, 09:26 PM
Just the cinematography alone would be worth the price of admission- it's gorgeous. I am not a musical fan, but I will definitely be seeing this!

Of course you're not a musical fan. This is a musical fan:
http://shop.com.edgesuite.net/ccimg.shop.com/220000/229000/229041/products/24584323.jpg
Press the big red (sic) button to experience a cooling breeze accompanied by music.

wendybeth
11-28-2007, 09:46 PM
Butthead.;):p

I just loaded a Sweeney Todd screensaver- looks very cool!

Kevy Baby
11-29-2007, 12:05 AM
Press the big red (sic) button to experience a cooling breeze accompanied by music.They are simply advertising that the thing won't work: they tell you to push the red button to make it work. But since there is no red button, it won't!

flippyshark
11-29-2007, 10:28 AM
Hmmph - I listened to "Priest" - and I'm a little more optimistic about Depp's vocal performance (not as muscular as I'd like, but better than I was expecting), but Carter's Mrs. Lovett leaves me worried. She's so slight on her delivery here, it sounds as though she doesn't even get her own jokes. Ugh. The gorgeous orchestration is doing a lot of the heavy lifting here, as well.

RStar
12-15-2007, 12:20 PM
VH1 had a great 30 minute piece on ST. It looks to me like it will be very good, and surprisingly, Depp looks to pull off singing! Now, I have never seen ANY ST before (just the little mention of it in Jersy Girl :blush: ) so I hardly have an opinion. But as a stand alone movie this looks good!

mousepod
12-15-2007, 04:52 PM
I just listened to the complete soundtrack. I'm still looking forward to the movie, but I now know where the edits lie and the deficiencies are...

OK, clearly HBC is no singer, but it's almost like she makes up for her lack of vocal talent with a lack of emotion... or something. I don't get it.

As far as the edits go, it seems like Burton has made the movie I might have longed for when I was 13 years old. The love songs between Antony and Johanna are gone - as is the scene with Mrs. Lovett and the Beadle (and Toby, locked away). The self-flagellation scene with the Judge that was cut from the original Broadway production (but is on the original cast album) has been cut as well. The sad part about the cuts for me is that I've grown to appreciate these scenes as an adult, both from a dramatic and stylistic perspective. I can't help but admire Sondheim's acrobatic juxtaposition of the Antony/Johanna/Judge/Beadle sequence, and the fact that Burton cut it makes me miss it all the more. I also miss the scene where Sweeney tutors Antony on how to be a wigmaker, not only for the wonderful way we see how Sweeney might have been, but for the echoing musical theme of "Pretty Women"...

All that said, I'm still excited to see the movie, but at least I have a better idea of what to expect.

LSPoorEeyorick
12-15-2007, 06:29 PM
Friday, Friday, Friday! Who's coming with me?

mousepod
12-15-2007, 06:33 PM
Friday, Friday, Friday! Who's coming with me?

me

innerSpaceman
12-16-2007, 12:38 AM
Will it be playing in the Dome??

LSPoorEeyorick
12-17-2007, 08:32 AM
We know it's in the Arclight - not sure about the dome.

Snowflake
12-17-2007, 07:40 PM
Here's a review (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071217/ap_en_mo/film_review_sweeney_todd;_ylt=AhLQTm_DCAzpQNSNZ9Ol LnJxFb8C) from the AP critic