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Prudence
09-01-2006, 07:03 AM
This is part rant, part request for cofirmation of diagnosis, and part request for advice on the next step. I've got a lot of pent-up frustration right now, so I'm going to do this in a couple different posts.

Rant:

So, I get home from class last night, turn on the laptop to hopefully finish the first round of internship applications, and I get the "limited or no connectivity" icon. Not the first time this has happened - I've been having issues with the wireless router and a neighbor has started using the same channel and sometimes I get a moment or two of no connection.

I headed upstairs to where the router was physically located and still -no connection. This is now weird. So, I power cycle the router and DSL modem and restart everything, including my laptop. Still nothing. I turn on Ryan's desktop, which is on a wired connection to the router. Same "limited or non connectivity" icon.

I futz around and can't make anything work. Not with wired connections, not with wired connections directly to the modem, nothing.

So, I call Verizon. I wade through the menu. And I'm connected to some guy in India. (No surprise. Even the hold music was Indian.) Then I spend an *hour* being talked down to by some guy who has no clue what I'm talking about. He has no idea what a router is, and yet refused to acknowledge that I know what a command prompt is, instead insisting that I look at the black screen.

I ipconfig over and over and get a 169.etc IP address, which I understand is not optimal. I release and renew, and the renew part times out. After sitting on and off hold and being treated like the biggest moron on the planet (now, in the bottom of your screen you should see the word "start". Do you see the word "start"? Ma'am, I need you to tell me if you can see the word "start". It's very important for my notes.) he tells me that my NIC card (isn't that redundant?) is bad and that I need to call Dell.

I inform him that I don't think that is the correct diagnosis, as neither computer can connect to the internet, I was just using this computer on a network 45 minutes before arriving home, and that just doesn't make sense. Now he becomes belligerant and extremely aggressive and starts yelling at me that his computer says that's what's wrong and therefore that's what's wrong. I ask to speak with a supervisor. He asks if there's anything else he can assist me with. I say yes, connect me to a supervisor. He hangs up on me.

So, I call back, wade through the menu, get a chick whose accent is so good I almost can't tell what continent she's on. I state that I would like to speak to a supervisor and that I was just hung up on the last time I asked. She is very polite and puts me on hold. And I sit. And I sit. And I sit. And I figure that's it and resolve to call Comcast in the morning and hang up. In mere moments, miracle of miracles, someone actually uses the call back number they made me provide and it's a woman with a southern accent.

She has me isolate the desktop and connect it directly to the modem again. Still nothing. Then she has me do a system restore, which I had never thought to try. We sit through that, it takes forever on Ryan's ancient desktop. She assures me that there's no rush. One system restore and one power cycle on the modem later and the desktop is connected. She commiserates with me on how some guys treat women on tech issues. I'm relieved that at least I'll be able to look up the firm addresses for my cover letters.

Prudence
09-01-2006, 07:13 AM
Diagnosis confirmation:

So, the Verizon woman thinks it's my router. I get the polite "I'm not familiar with that type of router" comment. Yes, my dad gave us a D-Link because it had a rebate! And therefore it must be good! I'm aware that it's a piece of crap. But it was free crap, so I've been limping along.

She implied that whatever happened to the router could have damaged our computers. This makes some sense, as I had to do a system restore to connect Ryan's desktop, but I'm not positive since I'm not terribly knowledgeable about these things. (I followed the directions to set up my network, but that's about the extent of my expertise.)

Is this possible?

More info on symptoms: My laptop started picking up a wireless connection again, and showed a 192.etc IP address, but wouldn't actually connect to the internet. (Browser windows just give the error message.)

I tried a wired connection directly to the modem and got the "limited or no connectivity" icon. Went through several system restores and power cycles and elaborate curses and still couldn't get anything. With router, connection but no internet. Without router, nothing.

I check and Ryan's desktop still connects with desktop wired directly to modem, internet work -- and also connection but no internet with the router.

I give up and go to bed.

This morning I wake up and try the laptop wired to the modem again - and it works. *yay!* I try the router - connection but no internet, and the status light on the router blinks instead of showing steady green.

So, the router is dead? What the hell actually happened?

Request for advice:

And what now? If the router is dead, what kind should I get this next go round? I know wired might be superior, but I need to be able to do wireless. Lots of doorways and the phone jacks are located in extremely inconvenient locations.

Alex
09-01-2006, 08:31 AM
If you couldn't get a connection when connected directly to the modem it probably isn't the router and it would be unlikely for the router to fail in such a way that it screwed up your computers.

Though I suppose it is possible you somehow lost your login credentials for the DSL connection, but then you should be getting an appropriate error message.

Can you log into the router? If so, you should be able to change the channel you're using to hopefully avoid any conflict with your neighbor.

I assume you've tried this but you should power everything down (modem, router, computers) by unplugging when necessary. Leave unplugged for a minute or two. Then plug in the modem. Wait and make sure all the appropriate lights come on and stay on (you should have received a manual with the modem that will tell you what these are if you still have it). When this is done, do the same with the router. Only then turn on the computers.

If connecting to the modem didn't work last night and works this morning, I would guess that Verizon's DSL was simply down for a period and customer support wasn't smart enough to realize it. When it came back the direct modem connection works this morning but somehow your router isn't connecting correctly. Power cycling in the correct order usually works for me, but it is possible the router is fried, that did happen to me once.

But it almost certainly isn't in your computers since if it were you wouldn't be able to connect at all.

Another test you can do is if it works when connected directly to the modem, does it work when you connect directly to the router? I assume your wireless router has a few outlets for wired connections.

Prudence
09-01-2006, 09:24 AM
To clarify:

Last night I *could* get a connection on Ryan's computer when connected directly to the modem - but only after doing a system restore. This morning I can also get a connection on my laptop when connected directly to the modem. So the modem appears to be working and was working last night as well.

And neither wireless nor wired connection works for the router at the moment. I get a connection in that I have the lovely connection icon, I get a valid IP address (not a 169) and the computer *says* it's connected, but I can't access the internet.

And yes, I've done all the cycling. Multiple times. With different set-ups of wired modem, wired router, wireless router, naked mole-rat, etc... The only thing that I've not tried that I can think of is try connecting via router and seeing if that will run the wireless printer to check whether the internal network is working at all, but after over 3 hours working on it last night and a deadline today to turn in my internship applications I'm not up for that at the moment.

DisneyFan25863
09-01-2006, 05:20 PM
Try connecting one of your computers to the router and going to 192.168.0.1 in your internet browser.

You should see a page for your router. If you do, your router is not dead.

Prudence
09-02-2006, 08:48 PM
My router exists and is happy to provide an internal network, but no matter what I do it still refuses to acknowledge the internet. I was going to get a new router when I got around to it anyhow, so i had Ryan pick up a new one today. If I'm going to spend my limited free time futzing with it I'd prefer to be setting up the new router I wanted to get anyhow, not arguing with the old one.

Stupid router.