Can we talk about porn?

[Moonliner]

We have serious discussions about religion, politics and a myriad of other topics but what about porn? It's a subject that's been on my mind of late.

We hear a lot about protecting kids from the evils of the Internet and specifically porn. In general the order of the day is the total eradication of pornography from life.

However at a certain age, I'd be more concerned that my kids were not looking for porn. I think we are hitting that age with my older one.

At that age I just sunk into my dads closet and looked at his stacks of Playboys but what about today's generation? They have the Internet. Holy crap some of the sites you find there are just evil. I really don't want his first erotic images to come from www.HappyHorseJumpers.com if you know what I mean. It seems like the nastier a site is the easier it is to find. I can't (and don't want to) filter everything.... I might just have to subscribe to the Playboy or Penthouse site and leave the password just lying around (ie taped to the front of his monitor). Of course if any of the other parents around here find out they saw "porn" on my kids PC and I knew about it we'd be toast. It's a dilemma I tell you.

[Not Afraid]

Yeah, we used to steal playboy and penthouse from my friend's Dad to look at - not that there were any pics of naked men in there, but we were all fascinated with things like "when will we get pubic hair?" or "when will we grow boobies?"

Knowing the "facts of life" is one thing, but a kid has to be able to explore their own sexuality and feel comfortable with it. I think that's healthy.

Chris' mom had the right approach, I think, She just left a few copies of Playboy in his room.

[€uroMeinke]

Honestly, I'm fascinated with the topic of porn as a cultural phenomena. Clearly with the advent of the internet, it has a growing acceptance as part of the cultural environment. People know famous porn stars as they world politicians or other cultural icons. It now can be viewed privately in the home without going to a seedy part of town or subscribing to some plain wrap publication with an assumed name.

Yet, the taboos still remain. "It will harm the children," people claim, but like you I think I stumbled upon my first porn cache at the age of 8 and I'm still clueless as to what harm that may have done me. There are so many things we wish to desexualize, and yet marketers and the media know that we are sexual beings and sex sells.

I guess the variety of kink has become more pronounced and available with the internet, so that gives a lot of room for experimentation or research, what turns you on versus what turns your stomach, or what just bores you.

I don't think denying sex and porn is the answer, I think the better approach is to put things in context. Recognize that porn is a form of entertainment, that what you see (like other media representations) might not be real, that connecting with people takes more than the mechanics of sex, but that the mechanics of sex can be pleasurable on thier own.

I don't know, but I can't wait to see where this thread goes.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

I much prefer how most of Europe tends to deal with this issue of human sexuality. There is far more honesty and far less squeamishness. Where they get squeamish is when it comes to violence, for it seems that they have learned that violence is just a tad more destructive than images of the human body having sex.

I often wonder which is more harmful for a child, seeing a picture of a naked body, or having it constantly reenforced that sex is wrong, dirty, and something that should never be discussed out in the open. In my opinion, the latter is far more harmful and ultimately, does nothing to protect anyone. People don't need to be protected from images of sex. They need to protected, in the way of honest information, from sexually transmitted diseases, unintended pregnancy, etc...

[€uroMeinke]

To underscore my mention of the mainstreaming of porn, I just got this add (http://view.email.laphilpresents.com/?ffcb10-fec81d737560057b-fe1d15787d6d077f711378-fef01775736d0c) from the LA Phil, which features a woman's mouth bitting a pearl necklace and the note:
(Because of explicit content, no one under 17 will be admitted.)

[Ghoulish Delight]

It's a tough question. I know for a fact that easy access to internet porn through my adolescense, and even into my college years, definitely shaped my sexuality into directions it would not have taken otherwise. Some of it probably made my sex life healthier. Some of it probably screwed me up pretty good. The net result? Eh, I think I came out okay. Better than most if I may be so bold. But I think that has more to do with my parents' honesty in regards to sex with me from an early age, long before my exposure to porn.

I do know that what we DON'T need is legislation against it. But as a future parent, I do plan on doing what I can to delay my child(ren)'s expsure to it until they're at a point that they can hopefully digest it in a healthy way. I wouldn't treat it as some horrific, instantly corrupting force of evil, but I certainly won't encourage it.

[Moonliner]

I guess the variety of kink has become more pronounced and available with the internet, so that gives a lot of room for experimentation or research, what turns you on versus what turns your stomach, or what just bores you.



If that stack of porn you found at age 8 had included animals, torture/bondage, urination, etc... do you think it would have had a different effect on you?

[€uroMeinke]

If that stack of porn you found at age 8 had included animals, torture/bondage, urination, etc... do you think it would have had a different effect on you?

That's hard to say, to put myself back in the 8-year old mind, but I'd probably have an "eww gross" reaction, or thought it funny and showed my friends, particularly if it's the felating a horse variety. I might have been a bit turned on or fascinated if the bondage porn was that japanese style of intricate knot and rope work. The Urination one might have tickled me at age 5, or whatever time bathroom functions were a source of amusement (I let my subscription to Penthouse lapse when urination became a part of every photo-spread, just not my thing)

[Disneyphile]

Overall, I think it's important to let kids of age know that their feelings and desires are ok.

I know for a fact that condemning a teen boy for wanting to look at boobies can cause some really bad problems in their adult life.

It's important for them to not feel ashamed of normal behavior.

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

Hmmmm...
I tend to agree with Euro on this.

It is entertainment that's not for kids, granted. I think shoving it under the bed (so to speak ;) ) isn't a healthy thing for kids. I think it falls under the subject of Birds and the Bees sort of thing. It's an individual parental issue and how they believe thier child should be exposed to it. It seems when alot of us where younger and in that age-range of curiosity, it was a bit more innocent. Meaning, Playboy was a bunch of women in relcined positions. Today, with the internet you get everything to every extreme and I think that changes the playing field quite a bit.

[Strangler Lewis]

If that stack of porn you found at age 8 had included animals, torture/bondage, urination, etc... do you think it would have had a different effect on you?

My sexual expectations were certainly shaped by porn, so I would assume that if all "mainstream" porn had the above elements, my expectations and demands might have changed.

[Ghoulish Delight]

But I think that has more to do with my parents' honesty in regards to sex with me from an early age, long before my exposure to porn.Egads, I need to start proof reading my posts, especially in this thread...


"But I think that has more to do with my parents' honesty with me in regard to sex..."

Yeah.

[€uroMeinke]

It does and it doesn't. Things are more explicit, to be sure - but that doesn't necessarily make them more "erotic." It's very easy to satify the curiosity of what the other gender looks like to the greatest detail. I think it may even be more enlightening as to what other folks find arousing. I think the proliferation of amatuer porn is great, if nothing else to show people with non-porn star bodies enjoying sex. On the other hand, it often makes things sillier, or demystifies certain things, or at least puts them to the test.

I recently saw a video involving a woman with a tongue piercing, which is supposed to enhance oral sex. In the video, she eventually removes the jewlery, which seems to have a penchant for attracting loose pubic hairs. I imagine someone viewing this video might have second thoughts about getting his/her tongue pierced.

[blueerica]

LOL GD.

I tend to agree with what's been said in this thread so far. I remember sneaking into my stepfather's trunk, and finding old Playboy and Penthouse magazines. I'd look, I'd read. I'd get some of the humor from the little cartoons. I'll never forget one that dealt with transvestites and sexuality. "Eat, drink, and be Mary." I giggled at 7. I also couldn't figure out why their pubic hair was so... differently shaped.

My mom was honest about a lot with me. I knew what a homosexual was, and my mom never pressed anything on me, but I knew that no matter what I was going to be okay, and accepted by my mom. The sexual... 'issues'... I have stem more from my step-father. He was emotionally and later physically abusive. If any boys were talking to me, I was a 'whore' and he would insult my appearance... I'd be 'fat' and what-not. That certainly shaped my self-image.

Hmm, but to get back on point, I think being aware is a good thing. You can't really restrict, but you can guide. Do other parents need to know about it? Hmm... maybe you can just get a couple of copies of a nice Playboy and leave it somewhere to be found. I, too, worry about porn sites that are available today. The other day, someone linked me to some pterodactyl porn. Yes, really. Pterodactyl porn. (If you're that curious, PM me - I can get the link to you by Monday). It was pretty stupid to me, but - once I start considering the implications, we're talking about some weird kink. Sexuality and its expression are good things.

I'm sure I have more to say, but need time to consider the points.

[lashbear]

My Favourite Song... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iAWst1zXkM)

(I'm not going to say NSFW because you're viewing a thread about PORN for god's sake !!)

[Prudence]

Two thoughts so far:

1) I had an *extremely* sheltered childhood and still ended up a "deviant." I did see any porn until it was much, much too late.

2) So many people act horrible aghast the porn exists anywhere, because think of the chiiiiiiiiildren - yet they dress their daughters in cropped shirts that say "slut" and don't see anything odd about that.

[SacTown Chronic]

1) I had an *extremely* sheltered childhood and still ended up a "deviant." It's my opinion as a parent (and a deviant) that the former leads to the latter more often than not. Not that I was sheltered, mind you. But most of the sheltered kids I knew went off the deep end at the first opportunity. Especially the ones who were "sheltered" from alchohol.

[CoasterMatt]

My first job out of high school was as an assistant to a porn editor...

But I was a born pervert/deviant/degenerate/Republican :evil:

[LSPoorEeyorick]

I had the interesting experience of being the youngest child by ten and twelve years. My mother has this "pre-wedding" talk she gives to the girls in the family, and all of the girls in the family are called to the meeting. So I was hearing rather vivid details of her "how to keep the romance alive" stories starting at age 11. Though not advocates of premarital sex, they were always very VERY (sometimes uncomfortably) open about the joys and blessings of a happy sexual relationship.

But even before that happened, I was already drawing the nude half of a woman connected to the bra ads in the paper. I was already drawing naked pictures of Fred from Scooby-Doo. (I sh t you not.) I have always been curious about sexuality, and I'm not sure if that's because they told me about human reproduction at age 3, or because I just have... insatiable curiosity.

Children are sexual; there's no denying it. They discover their bodies early on. But it's up to parents to teach them they are healthy in that curiosity-- AND to help guide them through their childhood slowly, not rushing it. The belly shirts and--I kid you not--vinyl pants I've seen on little girls just isn't healthy for their development.

[Moonliner]

Another issue I have with Internet porn is the sheer volume. I think there is something enticing about having just a bit of porn to look at. A few fond images to err, think about. Having 10's of thousands of images just seems wrong somehow at least for a beginner. ;)

I expect I'll end up taking the direct route. Collect a few Playboys (I had no idea the direction penthouse had taken. bleh.) and just flat out give them to him.

[Alex]

"But what about the children?!" is probably the most damaging sentence to enter the popular consciousness since "wouldn't be funny if a nun could fly?"

That said, I think there is a difference between much of the porn that is readily available to kids these days and the porn that most of us would have come across more than 15 years ago.

Playboy taught me a lot about what the female body could look like but it never taught me anything about sex. Yes, there was the genre of of things like Juggs, Gallery, and such that provided the "almost" genre of porn where more than one person is in the photo, something sexual is kind of going on, but everything is just "almost" touching.

Down and dirty, graphic sex is certainly available in a way that it never was when we were kids. Do I think it causes irrepairable harm? Not really. But growing up I think sex was presented in a variety of contexts and symbolic meanings, and levels of importance. I do think that with its easy availability that things get out of balance. I don't think it necessarily leads to long term psychological problems but can easily suppose it eases kids along the path towards actually having sex (and while I don't think 14 year olds having sex should be criminalized I do think it is generally a net bad thing). If nothing else I think it plays a big part in shaping how that sex happens. The prominence of blowjobs in porn has probably played a big role in making that more acceptable. Hopefully it has also led to more reciprocation.

So, short version. No, I don't think it is a horrible thing. Bondage porn isn't, to me, any worse than any other. I'd be troubled by abusively violent or non-consensual porn but I'd expect any teenagers of mine were seeing it.

But I'd try to walk a fine line between conveying the sense that sex is bad and that they'll have to sneak it past me if they want to see it. This next generation of kids won't have that "sneaking into Dad's closet experience." This will probably only strengthen the opinion of each generation of kids that they were the ones who stumbled onto the realization that genitals are fun.

[Kevy Baby]

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The web site address you entered could not be found.

[tracilicious]

"But what about the children?!" is probably the most damaging sentence to enter the popular consciousness since "wouldn't be funny if a nun could fly?"

But I loved the flying nun!

But I'd try to walk a fine line between conveying the sense that sex is bad and that they'll have to sneak it past me if they want to see it. This next generation of kids won't have that "sneaking into Dad's closet experience." This will probably only strengthen the opinion of each generation of kids that they were the ones who stumbled onto the realization that genitals are fun.


Agreed. I don't want my kids to feel like their desires are "dirty" or anything, but I would take steps to shelter them from hardcore porn (or from any porn before a certain age). It sounds trite, but young minds really are very impressionable. A 13 or 14 year old doesn't have the life experience or the skills of discernment to look at porn and realize that extremely few women want penises in every orafice at the same time, etc.

We have art books with naked people in them, and we're all naked around the house pretty frequently, so I hope that they'll feel like the naked human body is not that big of a deal. When they get to an age where they are curious about sex but also at an age where they may not want to ask me certain questions I'd probably leave sex books that show nudity and pictures of genitals rather than leaving porn around. Or even books that show sex in a non-porn way, like the kama sutra and such if that is what they wanted to see. Then when they got to an age where they wanted to see naked pictures because it arouses them, I'd be more likely to leave Playboys under their (well, not Jade's, but I'm assuming there is a female equivalent) bed or something. Is Playboy even really porn?

I suppose it has a lot to do with what LSPE said about growing up too quickly. I know that in college they will see all sorts of porn, but college seems like that is the appropriate time for that sort of thing. I don't really see a need for it before then. Also, while I certainly won't take the stance about pre-marital sex that my parents did, I would like to convey the message that sex is for people who feel a commitment to each other. I'll definitely discourage random sex. It seems that hardcore porn somewhat goes against that message.

[€uroMeinke]

You know, the internet has made photo/video porn more prevalent, but erotic literature has long been available. I've yet to see anything as disturbing as some of the passages I've read of the Marquis de Sade. Perhaps my dad's porn was just images of naked women cleverly posed to conceal pubic hair, but my mom's collection of "banned" books made up for the more explicit parts (thank you Monsieur Girodias).

[innerSpaceman]

I find this whole concept of parents setting out porn for their kids, Playboys under Johnny's bed kinda thing - - sounds like some sorta oddball SantaClaus on Puberty Eve type deal. Huh?

Or arranging the flow of their internet porn discoveries ... i dunno, but i think your folks taking any kind of hand in your exposure to pornography has got to be kreepy bad from a kid's point of view.


Different as it may be from the good old Rockwellian days of Penthouses in dad's drawer ... I think we have to led kids discover porn by themselves ... or with their peers (and, hey, likely future sexual partners!)



And on the one hand ... I have to think the modern Internet-is-for-Porn world is gonna make for much hornier teenagers - - but on the other, have to admit that, sheesh, how much hornier could teenagers get???



As for whether kids who earlier discover fetishes, kinks or (hush now) homosexuality will be more inclined to experiment in those areas, more inclined to adopt such practices into their adult sexual mileau - - - Nah, i don't really think so.

A person's gonna be turned on by what they're turned on by. I don't know about you ladies, but as for us guys - well, no one's dick's ever lied yet.

;)

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

http://www.worldsex.com/

For Euro and Kevy... "Research" ;)

(Not work safe) ;)

[RStar]

You know, the internet has made photo/video porn more prevalent, but erotic literature has long been available.
You mean like this?
I slept but my heart was awake.
Listen! My lover is knocking:
"Open to me, my sister, my darling,
my dove, my flawless one.
My head is drenched with dew,
my hair with the dampness of the night."
I have taken off my robe-
must I put it on again?
My lover thrust his hand through the latch-opening;
my heart begain to pound for him.
I arose to open for my lover,
and my hands dripped with myrrh,
on the handles of the lock.
I open for my lover,
but my lover had left;
he was gone.
My heart had gone out to him when he spoke.
I looked for him but did not find him.
I called him but he did not answer.

That was written about 4,000 years ago by King Solomon and is from the Holy Bible, Song of Songs Chapter 5, verses 2-6. While not porn, it is rather erotic.

And I think Alex's point is valid. The type of porn that can easily be found is so much different than when I was young. T and A was about the most of it, and fine at that age. And R rated movies where there is love scenes tastefully done, or even soft porn and Playboys.

But the problem I see with the violent, hard core, or strange animalistic types is what it will do to the young developing minds. I mean I could be wrong here, but if a young boy sees guys demoralizing women, treating them like nothing more than meat, isn't it possible he'll begain to think that way.

And then there's the issue of addiction, but I take this as anything else like drugs, alchohol, or food. If you are pre-disposed to addiction, it can become a problem.

And I agree with Steve, talk to your kids at the age you feel they are being exposed (at school and through peers) and tell them what is right, and safe. But be carefull where you draw the line of parent and freind. If you think they are having sex and you want to provide birth controll, fine. But the porn fairy gleaving them porn under the bed with a tube of KY Jelly may not be a great idea. :rolleyes:

However, there are some great books out there that are very good for this purpose.

[€uroMeinke]

But the problem I see with the violent, hard core, or strange animalistic types is what it will do to the young developing minds. I mean I could be wrong here, but if a young boy sees guys demoralizing women, treating them like nothing more than meat, isn't it possible he'll begain to think that way.


I wonder about this, sure it's out there - and if it were the only type of porn available I can see how that might shape expectations, but the volume and variety of porn I think dilutes any one brand of kink as being so influential.

[Strangler Lewis]

i think your folks taking any kind of hand in your exposure to pornography has got to be kreepy bad from a kid's point of view.

When I was in college, my father would occasionally drive me to LAX. He would often suggest stopping at The Wild Goose, a giant combo topless bar/sports bar/hofbrau near the airport. We would grab a table near the stage, and he would talk about his sex life with my mother. I generally wanted to crawl under the table.

[CoasterMatt]

The porn that I absolutely hate, and unfortunately seems to be getting produced more and more, has guys slapping or even punching the girls during sex.

[BarTopDancer]

I remember being in elementery school, sneaking into my friends dads room to see the new thing she found. Her dads Playboys. And we sat there wondering when we were going to look like that.

In Jr. High and high school VC Andrews was far more graphic then anything in those Playboys. My mom was worried about the content in Sweet Valley High and Sugar & Spice but never thought twice about Flowers in the Attic or Clan of the Cavebear.

I tend to agree with iSm, buying magazines and giving it to kids or putting it under thier beds is a bit creepy. Kids probably still sneak through their parents rooms looking for stuff like we did when we were kids. Why not stash a couple in there?

[FEJ]

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[€uroMeinke]

Kids probably still sneak through their parents rooms looking for stuff like we did when we were kids. Why not stash a couple in there?

I suppose in this digital age, parents may need to worry more about kids stumbling across their own home-made porn...

[BarTopDancer]

I suppose in this digital age, parents may need to worry more about kids stumbling across their own home-made porn...

And that would be more tramautic then being given porn by their parents.

[tracilicious]

I tend to agree with iSm, buying magazines and giving it to kids or putting it under thier beds is a bit creepy. Kids probably still sneak through their parents rooms looking for stuff like we did when we were kids. Why not stash a couple in there?


Yes, I agree with this. When I said under their bed, I hadn't really thought about the creepy aspect (actually I hadn't thought about the entire subject at all until this thread). I simply meant leave it in a place where they are likely to snoop around. I totally get the "Ewww, mom left me porn" reaction that any normal teen would have.

As far as staying completely out of it and letting them discover porn all on their own, there is so much of it readily available. Kids grow up with the internet. They are going to know how to find porn by the time they are ten. I just don't think that porn is appropriate for that age. I don't think that most of it is appropriate for kids five or six years older. I guess my thinking on it is that if you make milder porn (or teen romance books :p) available then it satisfies what they are curious for without them encountering women fvcking horses.

On a side note, I've never really gotten the whole porn thing. It generally either makes me laugh or grosses me out. I just think people generally look either really goofy or really fake while having porn sex. The Song of Solomon thing Strangler Lewis posted above is way hotter than a housewife screwing the pizza guy or whatever. Maybe I'm weird that way. Though some porn borders on art. Intricate bondage pictures, japanese knot tying like Euro mentioned. Those are cool, but most porn just seems lame.

[Alex]

Now, knowing your kids are going to see horse ****ing at a young age how do you have the conversation about why it is wrong?

Honey, it is ok to want to **** horses but you really shouldn't because horses don't have the mens rea to establish consent. So, if you're interested in horses it is important that you let the horse be the instigator of every action. Don't **** the horse, let the horse **** you. It's all about respect.

[flippyshark]

I had two older brothers whose private collections taught me everything I needed to know. It was mostly Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, and (for some reason, this seemed like the most subversive of the lot) National Lampoon.

When I got older and encountered the hardcore stuff (first via the extremely seedy Pussycat Cinema located not far from my college campus, later through the magic of video rentals), I found that the majority of it had exactly the wrong effect - it was the opposite of erotic for me. This goes triply so for the ghastly circus act/ freak show sites that seem to proliferate on the brave new world of the web nowadays.

I used to just adore the softcore arty European stuff that played on Cinemax. Just enough entertainment value that I could pretend I had more than one reason for watching. Yep, I like my smut with a plot.

Call me wimpy, but that's as much as I care to say about this topic.

[Alex]

The very first image of a topless woman I remember seeing was in a copy of National Lampoon. She was holding a large wheel of gouda cheese (I don't remember the context, just the picture).

In the seventh grade I traded my VHS copy of one of the early WrestleMania's for two Playboy centerfolds, once of which was one of the Price is Right models.

But when it comes to "pornography" our society seems to take a view similar to profanity.

It is ok to make someone think it but not make them see it or hear it. So you can say "f*ck" in the newspaper, which makes all of you mentally think the word but not to actually print the word. Same with graphic sex. I certainly learned more at a young age about the mechanics of sex from Jean Auel than from the pornography I'd seen.

[€uroMeinke]

On a side note, I've never really gotten the whole porn thing. It generally either makes me laugh or grosses me out. I just think people generally look either really goofy or really fake while having porn sex.

I think there certainly are some gender differences for porn. I think most is made as a male masterbatory aids, readymade visual fantasies. Most straight porn rarely shows more than a guys penis in frame, making it easy to identify as one's own (especially if larger or girthier - for this is all fantasy afterall). I think most contemporary porn has dispensed with pretense of plot and goes straight into the act - I suspect this also is geared to men, who in viewing porn are all ready to masterbate, and probably not in much need to have something, "get them in the mood."

[tracilicious]

Now, knowing your kids are going to see horse ****ing at a young age how do you have the conversation about why it is wrong?

Honey, it is ok to want to **** horses but you really shouldn't because horses don't have the mens rea to establish consent. So, if you're interested in horses it is important that you let the horse be the instigator of every action. Don't **** the horse, let the horse **** you. It's all about respect.


OMG! I'm going to file this under conversations that I NEVER want to have with my kids! I just want to put the porn blocks on the computer, leave the sex books laying around and then never think about it again. Unless they happen to ask about horse fvcking, which hopefully by that time I'll have an answer already sorted out in my head.

I have a three year old and a one year old, I shouldn't have to think about porn!

[Morrigoon]

We have serious discussions about religion, politics and a myriad of other topics but what about porn? It's a subject that's been on my mind of late.

We hear a lot about protecting kids from the evils of the Internet and specifically porn. In general the order of the day is the total eradication of pornography from life.

However at a certain age, I'd be more concerned that my kids were not looking for porn. I think we are hitting that age with my older one.

At that age I just sunk into my dads closet and looked at his stacks of Playboys but what about today's generation? They have the Internet. Holy crap some of the sites you find there are just evil. I really don't want his first erotic images to come from www.HappyHorseJumpers.com if you know what I mean. It seems like the nastier a site is the easier it is to find. I can't (and don't want to) filter everything.... I might just have to subscribe to the Playboy or Penthouse site and leave the password just lying around (ie taped to the front of his monitor). Of course if any of the other parents around here find out they saw "porn" on my kids PC and I knew about it we'd be toast. It's a dilemma I tell you.

Why don't you just hit the newstand, leaf through a few (purely for your son's protection, of course), find a couple you find most "normal" and give them to him? If ya haven't had "the talk", it's perfect opportunity to open up that particular line of dialog.

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

I think there certainly are some gender differences for porn. I think most is made as a male masterbatory aids, readymade visual fantasies. Most straight porn rarely shows more than a guys penis in frame, making it easy to identify as one's own (especially if larger or girthier - for this is all fantasy afterall). I think most contemporary porn has dispensed with pretense of plot and goes straight into the act - I suspect this also is geared to men, who in viewing porn are all ready to masterbate, and probably not in much need to have something, "get them in the mood."


This brings us an interesting point, that you all could run with if you wish, what could be defined as porn? YOu have your "in your face" shot porn, you have the oddball stuff (crapping, animals, etc) then you have the mags and the periodicals (Playboy etc.) where its nothing more than body shots.

SO I think, when it comes to introducing it to your kids, if you were so inclined, I think there are some personal choices as to the very wide types of material that could be considered "porn."

IMHO.

[Morrigoon]

I think porn is defined by a combination of exposure and intent to titillate.

You can have exposure without intent to titillate, such as classical sculpture in a museum, whose purpose is to admire the human form, not inspire a stiffy.

Or you can have intent to titillate without exposure, such as the Song of Solomon.

But when you have both exposure (or graphic description) of body parts, AND intent to titillate, such as Playboy or the latest novel from Jude Devereaux, then I think that qualifies it as porn.

Speaking of which... I wish more boys read romance novels at an earlier age. It would sure clue them in on women a bit...

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

But when you have both exposure (or graphic description) of body parts, AND intent to titillate, such as Playboy or the latest novel from Jude Devereaux, then I think that qualifies it as porn.

Speaking of which... I wish more boys read romance novels at an earlier age. It would sure clue them in on women a bit...

Well, I've read and written romance and I'm still clueless. But, hey, I'm a loser anyway...

I think though, when you get into Romance novels, and Playboy or Jude Devereaux, I think the leans more towards the headed of Erotica. To my mind just about anything to do with sexuality is "titillating" but IMHO I consider porn to be the "sweaty close ups with fluids" and Erotica to be a beautiful woman lying naked on a bed or a short story or a romance novel.

[BarTopDancer]

What ever happened to giggling over the naked women in National Geographic?

[Moonliner]

I suppose in this digital age, parents may need to worry more about kids stumbling across their own home-made porn...

PGP 512bit Encryption with a 27 character mixed case key phrase.

I don't think so. Errr, not that we have any of that of course...

[Strangler Lewis]

I think there certainly are some gender differences for porn. I think most is made as a male masterbatory aids, readymade visual fantasies. Most straight porn rarely shows more than a guys penis in frame, making it easy to identify as one's own (especially if larger or girthier - for this is all fantasy afterall). I think most contemporary porn has dispensed with pretense of plot and goes straight into the act - I suspect this also is geared to men, who in viewing porn are all ready to masterbate, and probably not in much need to have something, "get them in the mood."

I think this is also a function of the fact that porn producers stuff their actors with Viagra to make sure they're good to go bigger, harder and on cue. Hence, no foreplay or "plot". And, pity the poor fluffers.

[Kevy Baby]

This brings us an interesting point, that you all could run with if you wish, what could be defined as porn?Well, you could go with Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's definition (http://library.findlaw.com/2003/May/15/132747.html): "I know it when I see it"

[Kevy Baby]

Speaking of which... I wish more boys read romance novels at an earlier age. It would sure clue them in on women a bit...No, it would give them the same distorted view of reality that Playboy, et. al. does.

Just as pornography can give one unrealistic expectations on how a partner behaves in bed, the romance novel can provide unrealistic expectations on emotional relationships.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Well, you could go with Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's definition (http://library.findlaw.com/2003/May/15/132747.html): "I know it when I see it"
Actually, that would be obscenity, as distinguished from non-obscene pornography.

[€uroMeinke]

You can have exposure without intent to titillate, such as classical sculpture in a museum, whose purpose is to admire the human form, not inspire a stiffy.

I wonder about that, those artists can be a rather randy bunch. Botticelli destroyed a number of his nudes after a religious conversion. The Catholic church periodically covers or uncovers the genitalia of it's sculture (with occasional chisel blows). If you go back to the real classics, i.e. the Greeks, their admiration of the human form almost certainly included lustful intent.

[RStar]

I thought Pornography was pictures and video of nude people. Period. Is there a broader definition?

Granted, some nude photographs, paintings and sculptures are generally considered art (some will always consider it only porn). Also partial nudity in films is considered art.

But if it is a novel can it be considered "pornographic"?

[tracilicious]

But if it is a novel can it be considered "pornographic"?


I would most definitely say that it can. When I worked at the used book store, we got in two big boxes of pornographic novels. Super fetishy stuff like fathers molesting daughters, rape porn, etc. Some standard farmer's daughter stuff as well, but all definitely porn.

[Alex]

RStar: Would the stuff here (http://www.asstr.org/main.html) be porn in your opinion? (Thoroughly not safe for work though no pictures (click around enough and you'll find some but mostly it is all text).

[innerSpaceman]

I think the strongest form of porn is written as opposed to visual.


Unlike most men, my own taste in pornography tends to run towards "literature" (if you can call it that). Mere depictions of sex are arousing and all, but I find the situational context that fires the imagination to be far more erotic, arousing and stimulating.

Visual porn could provide that ... but it rarely does. It's mostly (in my admittedly limited experiece) just people fu<king. All well and good, but rather tame compared to the truly pornographic heights that words can achieve ... with no naked bodies in sight.

[innerSpaceman]

What happens to your porn when you die?







I no longer have any children running about who might discover my porn stash, or any planned planted porn leaks.

But what about my loved ones post-my-mortem? I don't really want them discovering what a degenerate I was. (I mean, specifically.)


I keep my old-school, physical-realm porn in a suitcase that bears this legend in bold type on the cover:
If I turn up dead, please throw away this case without opening it.
Yes, this note just makes you want to look inside all the more, but if you wish to honor my memory, you won't do it.
If curiousity should get the better of you, I won't care ('cause, after all, I'm dead), but you'll be sorry you couldn't resist.

Do you think something like that would have the desired deterrent effect? Would you open the case if you found it after my demise?

zapppop says whoever finds it will open the case, but I'm not so sure. And what about my cyber porn that's all over my computer? There's no deterrent message when you boot up my hard drive (insert double entendre here.)

What can be done to protect one's legacy of honor and integrity vis-a-vis our pornography collections? Shouldn't there be some kind of mortuary service that comes in with a paper shredder and computer tools?


I almost want to dispose of all my porn now.


but I'm not dead yet.

[Strangler Lewis]

Clearly you need to consult a trusts and estates lawyer. Whether you die with or without a will, I doubt that an executor/administrator could simply throw away an asset of the estate such as your porn. Regardless of whether or not there's an estate tax, if you have outstanding debts at death, your porn might have to be sold to pay them.

[€uroMeinke]

That of course, could be an intellectual property nightmare. Do you have rights to your cyber porn? Were they given to you for personal use only? or were they aquired like most thinks on the internet, through petty piracy. I think you may need to retain a specialized porn attorney.

[Prudence]

Zomg! I've found my niche! I'll be a specialized porn attorney!

[Kevy Baby]

Zomg! I've found my niche! I'll be a specialized porn attorney!I alone could make you one very rich lawyer.

I suspect that if you get me and Coaster Matt and a few key other LoTers on board, you would be able to buy Disneyland.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

And what about my cyber porn that's all over my computer? There's no deterrent message when you boot up my hard drive (insert double entendre here.)



Well, you could follow Moonliner's advice...

PGP 512bit Encryption with a 27 character mixed case key phrase.

[CoasterMatt]

Just don't let the paramedics hear about it, they start all sorts of rumors...

[tracilicious]

zapppop says whoever finds it will open the case, but I'm not so sure. And what about my cyber porn that's all over my computer? There's no deterrent message when you boot up my hard drive (insert double entendre here.)


I'd open it.

In regards to the above about written porn, I wonder if there is a difference between gay and straight men as to whether they prefer visual or written porn or if it is purely an individual preference. It seems that most women prefer written porn. Do most gay guys as well?

[innerSpaceman]

I can pretty much guarantee that gay guys like visual porn just as much, if not more so, than straight guys.

Perhaps only gay guys like written porn, but that doesn't correllate to gay guys liking only written porn.

Gay men are just men. Um, just men without any of the libido constraints found in many a straight relationship. I think the quip goes that men think about sex every 9 seconds. And gay men think about sex every 5.

[€uroMeinke]

I'd open it.

In regards to the above about written porn, I wonder if there is a difference between gay and straight men as to whether they prefer visual or written porn or if it is purely an individual preference. It seems that most women prefer written porn. Do most gay guys as well?

Considering the plethora of Gay porn, I doubt it. I don't think it's and either or, either. Certainly one of the best things about Penthouse, were the letters. And I agree, with ISM that in most cases the written word is far more "erotic" than the visual image - but, there are trashy porn novels too, that leave me rather limp despite the peppering of variations of the word, "Lacivious" and the addition of extra vowels and exclamation points.

This thread has me thinking about authoring one of those annoying MySpace quizes:

What's your favorite type of porn?
How large is your porn cache?
Do you keep your porn hidden?
Have you given anyone instructions to dispose of your porn in the event that something happens to you?
Does your porn collection include people you know?
Does it include animals?
How about Clowns?
Etc.?

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Clown porn (http://www.stopclownpornnow.org/).

Learn something new every day. :)


Probably work safe but use caution.

[tracilicious]

Hee hee. Clown porn. What could be funnier?!

[BarTopDancer]

Gives new meaning to the phrase...

Can't sleep clowns will eat me...

[Strangler Lewis]

Clown porn (http://www.stopclownpornnow.org/).

Learn something new every day. :)


Probably work safe but use caution.

Some years ago, I happened on a "Real Sex" episode that featured orgies with people dressed as clowns.

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

This thread has me thinking about authoring one of those annoying MySpace quizes:

Ah, there probably already is one! :rolleyes: Go for it.!

[Morrigoon]

Gives new meaning to the phrase...

Can't sleep clowns will eat me...

:eek:

[Alex]

If I had to choose one or the other, written "erotica" would come out way ahead of visual porn.

I'm extremely (though non-judgmentally) straight.

[€uroMeinke]

If I had to choose one or the other, written "erotica" would come out way ahead of visual porn.


Me too, especially if it were read alloud to me by a hot woman with a French or Porteguese accent...
:D

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I never found a parental porn stash. I did find "The Joy of Sex" which I am now sure was left on a shelf for me to find (and steal and hide in my bedroom and show at slumber parties). My parents were very open about sex and I was never told it was a dirty thing. I watched a lot of Skinemax...because my dad watched it openly. It didn't embarrass me too much. I thought it was normal. Only when I started sneaking out of bed to watch it when everyone else was asleep did I start getting weirded out by my dad's openness. We had that and scrambled porn - that was it.

My friends had magazines but they freaked me out, with their glossy boldness and personal portablility. You didn't have to risk being caught in the living room at 2am to have those. I never owned one.

I think it was a good balance of being taught sex was ok and normal and yet not having too much early access. I ended up a rather chaste girl, especially for someone who was teaching her first grade classmates to say "sex" and not spell it.

All that gets unleashed these days, instead of in teen exploits, and I'd say that's a good thing.

I would say unequivocally that my attitudes towards sex were greatly affected when I first found porn online. I suppose if I had access to the magazines and movies others had at younger ages then it wouldn't have been as big a deal.

I once read a theory that one major reasons relationships don't seem to last as long is that people are pickier. Ages ago the only people you saw were those in your tribe/town and you didn't expect everyone to look like (insert movie/porn star here). There are lots of fish in the sea, and the sea is now global.

I think the same is true for sex. If you had never seen or heard of plushie porn, how would you have ever considered it? I'm sure some people have odd fetishes on their own but I am sure this is exacerbated by the prevalence of odd fetish sites. I believe that there are lot of things I'm into that I would never have even considered if I had not had access to "information" on them.

That said, because of my aformentioned open family, I know I'm more apt to say "let's give that a try" instead of "eewww."

[tracilicious]

I never found a parental porn stash. I did find "The Joy of Sex" which I am now sure was left on a shelf for me to find (and steal and hide in my bedroom and show at slumber parties). My parents were very open about sex and I was never told it was a dirty thing. I watched a lot of Skinemax...because my dad watched it openly. It didn't embarrass me too much. I thought it was normal. Only when I started sneaking out of bed to watch it when everyone else was asleep did I start getting weirded out by my dad's openness. We had that and scrambled porn - that was it.


I'm fairly convinced that neither of my parents has ever looked at porn. (Well, maybe my dad when he was a teen.) Nor did they ever have any sex books. I'm still perplexed at how two people that loathed each other so much and had such an icy sex life managed to have six kids. As open as my parents got about sex was to say it was only for married people. In fact I had an odd fear when I was in third grade that I would grow up not knowing how to have sex and marry someone who also didn't know how and we would have to call our parents and ask while we were on our honeymoon. That cracks me up now. I think I finally learned the mechanics of sex in fifth grade sex ed.

That said, because of my aformentioned open family, I know I'm more apt to say "let's give that a try" instead of "eewww."


Are you sure? I have my aforementioned family and I'm still more apt to say "let's give that a try" instead of "eewwww."

[Prudence]

I am a notoriously light sleeper, the walls of my parents' house are paper thin, and yet I've never heard a peep from them. I don't think I've ever seen them even kiss. If it weren't for the fact that there's such a huge family resemblance, I'd swear my brother and I were adopted.

[Strangler Lewis]

When I was a little kid, we used to take these vacations to Miami Beach. During our stays, my parents would send me down to play in the game room, have lunch by myself at the restaurant and so on (something that probably would not happen today). If I ate lunch, I would sign for the check. The first time this happened, I was ignorant of the customs of tipping. The waitress was nice, so I left her a $10 tip on what was probably a $3 chopped liver sandwich. As an adult, I have realized why my parents sent me downstairs. I hope it was worth $10.

[BarTopDancer]

I had forgotten about the Joy of Sex... left on a bookshelf where I poured through it. My mom also bought me a book by Judy Blume (no, not Forever) of questions and answers that she then deemed inappropriate, yet she left it out. Damn reverse psychology.

I know I am my parents child. I am the only child. Therefore my parents only.... once.

[tracilicious]

When I was a little kid, we used to take these vacations to Miami Beach. During our stays, my parents would send me down to play in the game room, have lunch by myself at the restaurant and so on (something that probably would not happen today). If I ate lunch, I would sign for the check. The first time this happened, I was ignorant of the customs of tipping. The waitress was nice, so I left her a $10 tip on what was probably a $3 chopped liver sandwich. As an adult, I have realized why my parents sent me downstairs. I hope it was worth $10.


And now your the first kid I've ever heard of that has willingly ordered chopped liver.

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

http://www.bzoink.com/S67969/proceed/Attitudes_to_Porn.html

Take the survey! ;)

[Strangler Lewis]

And now your the first kid I've ever heard of that has willingly ordered chopped liver.

Runs in the family. Always loved it. Still do, though more by the cracker than by the pound.

What I could not abide were the Cel-Ray Tonics my dad would order at the deli. When I was nine, I stole one of my dad's manhattans, drained it and puked twenty minutes later. I would rather have done that ten times straight than down a Cel-Ray.

That was one nasty drink my dad liked.

Nasty.

Like his porn. Or so I thought at the time.

Now I can pretty much take or leave them both.

[Not Afraid]

Are you sure? I have my aforementioned family and I'm still more apt to say "let's give that a try" instead of "eewwww."


I think I am MORE apt to say "let's give it a try" BECAUSE of my very tight-lipped parents. Sex was NOT something you talked about as something to enjoy. They may have enjoyed it, but they would never have shared. It just made me all the more curious.


I Do have to thank my evil siser for introducing me to Anais Nin and my granola sister, to Playgirl.

[RStar]

RStar: Would the stuff here (http://www.asstr.org/main.html) be porn in your opinion? (Thoroughly not safe for work though no pictures (click around enough and you'll find some but mostly it is all text).


It wasn't so much what I would consider to be Pornographic, but a mere definition I was after. So, I hit Wikipedia with it (I dare not Google such a word!)

Pornography may use any of a variety of media — printed literature, photos, sculpture, drawings, sound recording, film or video, and may even be performed in a live venue, possibly in front of a live audience. Notably, all of the above may be found on the Internet.
Click here for full definition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography)So, that's what I was wondering. It covers writen liturature as well. Intersting....

[Kevy Baby]

I like porn.

But I guess that goes without saying.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I have my aforementioned family and I'm still more apt to say "let's give that a try" instead of "eewwww."I think I am MORE apt to say "let's give it a try" BECAUSE of my very tight-lipped parents. Yeah, there's definitely more than one road to the same destination.

[Prudence]

Most of my deviancy and porn exposure began courtesy of a librarian.

[innerSpaceman]

I think the easy access for kids all over the internet takes all the romance out of acquiring young porn.

If you don't have to sneak around the uncomfortable environs of your own parents' secret sexuality, I believe kids today are missing out on a cherished rite of passage.

[FEJ]

Clown porn (http://www.stopclownpornnow.org/).

Learn something new every day. :)


Probably work safe but use caution.



Ouchy The Clown (http://www.ouchytheclown.com/)

also a meeting facilitator. Mostly Safe for work, but use caution.
Found him a few years ago when doing a "clown wedding" as a project management project. :)

[Strangler Lewis]

http://www.homevideos.com/freezeframes1203/musicman113.jpeg

Chaucer! Rabelais! Balzac!

[Prudence]

So, would that be trouble with a capital "T" that rhymes with "P" that stands for "Porn"?

[Strangler Lewis]

So, would that be trouble with a capital "T" that rhymes with "P" that stands for "Porn"?

Libertine men. Scarlet women. And ragtime . . .

[Prudence]

Jungle animal instinct!

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Mass hysteria!

Thinking of learning types (aural, visual, kinesthetic) I am definitely a strongly kinesthetic learner with a visual slant. But the visual slant definitely has to do with being able to comprehend via reading. If there's something to be done--learning to bake bread, for instance-- I'd get the most out of it by doing it, then by reading about it, then less so by seeing it, then really-hardly-at-all by hearing about it. (I suspect that the latter has to do with the near-deaf right ear; my listening comprehension has never been good.)

Anyway, this extends to every part of my being. When it comes to this particular topic, I would really rather just have sex-- but reading about it is certainly heaps better than looking at it or hearing it; those two do very little for me.

I do suspect a basic gender difference, though surely generalized as I know there are exceptions. Looking at pornography just doesn't seem sexy to me. Words... words are sexy, though.

(A real body? Even sexier.)

[innerSpaceman]

Are we sure Strangler Lewis is not gay?








was that sentence itself pornographic for even suggesting such a thing?





.

[€uroMeinke]

I agree that learning types definately comes into play. Awhile back I notice I was using phrases like, "sounds good," or "I hear ya," quite a bit and realized that while I thought I was a visual person, I had definate aural leanings. I've come to discover that sound can be very sexy as well.

[DreadPirateRoberts]

I've come to discover that sound can be very sexy as well.

iPOD porn?

[tracilicious]

I do suspect a basic gender difference, though surely generalized as I know there are exceptions. Looking at pornography just doesn't seem sexy to me. Words... words are sexy, though.

(A real body? Even sexier.)


I feel the same way. I've read things that I've found very erotic, and not that I couldn't ogle Edward Norton for a really long time, but actual porn pictures just doesn't do it for me. I tried looking at porn again just yesterday (prompted by this thread) to see if anything had changed, and it just had absolutely no appeal. For one thing, I really don't find random penises to be attractive. Plus, testicles are really funny. Faced with the real thing, of course that's erotic, but pictures? Not so much. I also don't care about 18 yr old boobs. Porn just seems full of bald testicles and young boobs. None of that really does anything for me.

But, yeah, I'd rather just have sex.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Photos are lame, especially if they're just naked people. Ooh, big deal, they're naked. I know plenty of men go for that but as a woman I just do not get it, be it a man or a woman that simply took their clothes off.

No, if I look at porn (which isn't too often) it has to be video, there has to be sound, and there has to be action. And I'm not talking about making out.

I've done the reading porn thing in the past but I can't say I'm a big fan. I find myself skipping the story parts and just getting to the action. I do like fantasy but if it takes too long it's just not worth it. :evil: Keeping a basic concept in my head can help me get there but convoluted intrigue is not what I go for when I reach for porn.

[CoasterMatt]

I've come to discover that sound can be very sexy as well.
Bow chicka bow bow...

[Strangler Lewis]

. . . not that I couldn't ogle Edward Norton for a really long time . . .

I'm a Ralph Kramden man myself.

[Capt Jack]

testicles are really funny.

I like drawing little faces on mine for just that reason. :D


I also don't care about 18 yr old boobs.

Im usually only amused by those when theyre attached to 100+ year old women (ok, maybe not 100, but some of the porn "actresses" surely look at least that weather-beaten)

as the old joke says, its like hanging a chandelier in a haunted house.
:eek:

[Prudence]

So Oxygen shows some Canadian chick porn on some show called "Bliss". It usually on Sunday nights/Monday mornings around here. (After "Talk Sex"). Has anyone besides me seen this? It seems completely geared toward women. It's teevee, so nothing too explicit, but it's most about the set-up/plot anyhow.

[Strangler Lewis]

Aah, it's a bore.

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

Here's some porn...watch that "leg" Superman!!
http://static.flickr.com/36/136373303_29ccaf2987_o.jpg

[€uroMeinke]

But, yeah, I'd rather just have sex.

You know, I'd bet most men would answer the same way, but I think the reason porn exists is to satisfy the urges of those, for whatever reasons, aren't having sex right now. I doubt very much (though I'm sure the subculture exists) that people currently masturbating to porn are doing so, because they'd rather not have sex with another person at the moment.

I also have a hunch, that being away on a business trip right now, Lisa would much prefer to have me to viewing some porn instead of picking up hookers (not that I'm doing either since I'm instead posting on LoT - the next best thing to porn).

[innerSpaceman]

Aah, it's a bore.

Um, watches Oxygen, likes show tunes .... hmmmm.




anything you'd care to tell us, Strangler??




.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Um, watches Oxygen, likes show tunes .... hmmmm.




anything you'd care to tell us, Strangler??I'm beginning to think iSm is seriously turned on by Strangler's avatar.

I also don't care about 18 yr old boobs.See, I like smaller boobs, since I got 'em. I'd say I enjoy porn more if the chicks involved resemble my figure.

Now that I think about it - porn is much more equal opportunity than you'd think. There's porn for every taste. While you could complain that movies always feature young skinny people, there's porn including overweight and older people. In fact, you name your body shape, there's porn for it out there.

[tracilicious]

You know, I'd bet most men would answer the same way, but I think the reason porn exists is to satisfy the urges of those, for whatever reasons, aren't having sex right now. I doubt very much (though I'm sure the subculture exists) that people currently masturbating to porn are doing so, because they'd rather not have sex with another person at the moment.

I also have a hunch, that being away on a business trip right now, Lisa would much prefer to have me to viewing some porn instead of picking up hookers (not that I'm doing either since I'm instead posting on LoT - the next best thing to porn).


Hee hee. I'm not knocking porn. Just personally, I can have sex, so I don't really have any desire for porn. I've never really been in the position of not being able to have sex, so I guess I can't say what I would do in that instance. But some people find porn to be a nice compliment to an active sex life, and that's cool for them, but it just doesn't do it for me. Maybe I've just seen the wrong porn?

See, I like smaller boobs, since I got 'em. I'd say I enjoy porn more if the chicks involved resemble my figure.


I would think that by 18 boobs are pretty well developed. It isn't small boobs that I don't like. I'm just neutral on boobs in general. Then, I see lots of boobs all the time so I guess I just don't care. It's more the youth that annoys me. If I'm going to watch porn I'd rather watch a grown up woman instead of a young girl.

Really, my apathy for porn probably has something to do with the fact that the relatively minimal amount of porn I've watched has been crappy. There's such a huge gamut of porn out there that I'm sure there is probably some that I would at least find entertaining. Maybe we should have a porn meet next time I'm in town. :p

It's funny that this thread seems like the cleanest one we've had in a while and it's about porn.

[Not Afraid]

I also have a hunch, that being away on a business trip right now, Lisa would much prefer to have me to viewing some porn instead of picking up hookers (not that I'm doing either since I'm instead posting on LoT - the next best thing to porn).

There's always phone sex. :eek: :evil:

[Prudence]

I doubt very much (though I'm sure the subculture exists) that people currently masturbating to porn are doing so, because they'd rather not have sex with another person at the moment.


That would be my most recent ex before BT. :rolleyes: In his opinion, solo was the vastly superior experience.

[Capt Jack]

:rolleyes: In his opinion, solo was the vastly superior experience.

wow...if I disagreed more my head would implode

[Ghoulish Delight]

The two fulfill entirely different roles for me. And while, given the choice, I'll always go for the real thing, just because I'm getting some doesn't mean I don't want to go solo in between.

[Strangler Lewis]

Um, watches Oxygen, likes show tunes .... hmmmm.




anything you'd care to tell us, Strangler??




.

I'll have you know, sir, that my father introduced me to musicals at a very early age. And I never cared for Mame or Oklahoma.

I had to check out Bliss over the relatively titillating prospect of bare tit on "free" TV. No luck.

[alphabassettgrrl]

Late to the game here, but my preference is certainly for written porn. I used to enjoy visual porn but lately I keep seeing how fake their expressions are, and how much the girls are *not* enjoying the sex and I just lose it. Boring.

Give me a good lesbian love story any day.

As far as background, I had very little exposure to anything at home. My friends tell me I stared the day I saw two guys holding hands. I don't actually remember that. My mother still refuses to discuss certain things.

So count me in the "raised quiet turned out deviant" crowd.

[€uroMeinke]

There's always phone sex. :eek: :evil:

Call me, I'm aural
:cool:

[€uroMeinke]

Late to the game here, but my preference is certainly for written porn. I used to enjoy visual porn but lately I keep seeing how fake their expressions are, and how much the girls are *not* enjoying the sex and I just lose it. Boring.


I think that's why I like amateur porn, real people, having real sex, and usually having a good time, laughing and joking. It's a mich bigger turn on than the bored or drugged chick waiting to pick up her check.

Of course, my real voyueristic guilty pleasure about amatuer porn is speculating on their real lives from clues left by the things that unintentionally enter the frame, prom photos, kid's toys, shelves full of DVD's, sci-fi books, or computer manuals, and the occasional diploma as it adds an additional element of veracity.

[RStar]

You know, I'd bet most men would answer the same way, but I think the reason porn exists is to satisfy the urges of those, for whatever reasons, aren't having sex right now. I doubt very much (though I'm sure the subculture exists) that people currently masturbating to porn are doing so, because they'd rather not have sex with another person at the moment.And don't forget about the couples that enjoy watching it together during foreplay.

[Kevy Baby]

There's always phone sex. :eek: :evil:Be careful about unprotected phone sex with stangers. You could catch hearing aids.

[innerSpaceman]

We need a rim shot smiley.







.

[CoasterMatt]

We need a rim shot smiley.







.
Um... pun intended, right?

[innerSpaceman]

;)





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[Not Afraid]

lol!

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Because of this thread I had a look at written porn again. Nothing's changed - any backstory longer than a paragraph is a waste of my precious time :D

[Alex]

foreplay

Huh, I learn a new word every day.

[RStar]

Glad I could help! ;)

In human sexual behavior, foreplay is a set of intimate psychological and physical acts between two or more people meant to increase sexual arousal. Foreplay takes place before sexual intercourse or another act meant to induce mutual sexual gratification or orgasm.


Wikipedia-Foreplay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreplay)

So kiddos, get out there and make me proud!

[€uroMeinke]

But can a taser be used in Foreplay?

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

Glad I could help! ;)




Wikipedia-Foreplay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreplay)

So kiddos, get out there and make me proud!

But does it come with ... BIG JIM SLADE!!!!!

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

But can a taser be used in Foreplay?

Only if you have I.D.

[€uroMeinke]

Only if you have I.D.

I thought that was Roleplay - are the two related?

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

I thought that was Roleplay - are the two related?

ONly if you have a Library in the house...or at least many bookshelves in your bedroom. :)

[Ghoulish Delight]

But does it come with ... BIG JIM SLADE!!!!!
You many now latch onto his honker.

[RStar]

ONly if you have a Library in the house...or at least many bookshelves in your bedroom. :)
And costuming in the closet. :D

[RStar]

You many now latch onto his honker.
And I thought I was the only one that liked that movie (and Blazing Saddles).

My son just about fell off the couch when I showed it to him after his 18th birthday, durring the "Catholic Schoolgirls in Trouble" part! :eek: :evil:

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

And I thought I was the only one that liked that movie (and Blazing Saddles).

My son just about fell off the couch when I showed it to him after his 18th birthday, durring the "Catholic Schoolgirls in Trouble" part! :eek: :evil:

Great movie! I'm glad someone got the Ref. :)

[CoasterMatt]

If I keep laughing, somebody's gonna have to go the United Appeal for the Dead....

[RStar]

If I keep laughing, somebody's gonna have to go the United Appeal for the Dead....
This place is more swank than I thought!!!

Or, we are all geeks, not sure which. :rolleyes:

[LSPoorEeyorick]

See, I like smaller boobs, since I got 'em. I'd say I enjoy porn more if the chicks involved resemble my figure.

Hear hear. About the chicks resembling figure, not the small boobs. I do not have small boobs, so I prefer the soft squishable sort (not the hard-like-melon sort that porn seems so often to offer.)

[Cadaverous Pallor]

So, men, do you prefer porn that involves men that are more like you?

Caveat #1: I know the straight ones are going to say "I'm not looking at the guy", but still, I'm asking.

Caveat #2: If you answer "Why yes, that's why I hit "MonsterC0cks.com" all the time", then you've just gotten predictable :rolleyes: :p

[Ghoulish Delight]

Why yes, that's why I...oh, damn.

Umm, honestly it IS a matter of not really paying attention, which I suppose means what I prefer is the most non-descript men possible. I tend to lose interest in porn if the guy is noteable. Tattoos, piercings, missing a leg...anything that tends to catch my eye away from what really matters (boobies and stuff) annoys me.

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

So, men, do you prefer porn that involves men that are more like you?

Caveat #1: I know the straight ones are going to say "I'm not looking at the guy", but still, I'm asking.

Caveat #2: If you answer "Why yes, that's why I hit "MonsterC0cks.com" all the time", then you've just gotten predictable :rolleyes: :p

Caveat #3: If the answer is "I'm too much of a loser to find myself in that position anyway, so there would never be a guy like me in one." then you're probably... me.. :cool:

[innerSpaceman]

Come to think of it .... though there are exceptions, I am one of those who is generally not attracted to people of other races. And so, in porn, I generally watch white folks go at it.

That's as far as it goes with wanting porn players to "look like me." But I suppose that's far enough.


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[Snowflake]

Hear hear. About the chicks resembling figure, not the small boobs. I do not have small boobs, so I prefer the soft squishable sort (not the hard-like-melon sort that porn seems so often to offer.)

Imagine what their plastic surgeons go through, imagine what these women put themselves through. Being of a size myself, I can only wonder how they do manage to support those cantaloupes they parade about. I often wonder, and have never had the nerve to ask any guy I know who might be dating someone with this kind of industrial work done, what's the fun in all the fakery?

[CoasterMatt]

I dated a girl of porn for a short time - she didn't have the big boob work, but the girls that I knew that did were really freakin' spooky...

To the guys, it's just another day punching the c(l)ock :)

[€uroMeinke]

So, men, do you prefer porn that involves men that are more like you?

Caveat #1: I know the straight ones are going to say "I'm not looking at the guy", but still, I'm asking.

Caveat #2: If you answer "Why yes, that's why I hit "MonsterC0cks.com" all the time", then you've just gotten predictable :rolleyes: :p

You know, again I think there is a gender difference at work. A lot of conventional (straight) porn seldom depicts a guy beyond his package. And I think that makes it easy to imagine the gal(s) in the porn are doing their thing to your surrogete thing. For me anyway it's easy to make the leap from look at what she's doing to that **** to what she could be doing to my ****. Color and size differences don't seem to matter to me.

I think a lot of women have a hard time disengaging in a similar fashion, and tend to compare themselves to the women in the porno (much like they do when flipping through fashion magazines, or checking each other out as a potential competitor).

I think there's also a visual gender difference in how we view our genitalia, penisis are by thier vary nature quite visible (at least in their arroused state). I suspect few women have spent as much time gazing at the wonders between their legs as men have. Thus the image of tongue on clitoris, probably is a bigger turn on for a guy than a gal, as the guy is more likely to have seen it or fantasized about seeing it. Likewise, you seldom see felatio filmed from a female perspective compared to that of a male perspective.

Perhaps we just need to give women the control of the camera more often...

But back to the question, for me personally, I'd prefer not to see Ron Jeremy again - but, I usually am focused on the woman and my surrogate fantasy ****.

[Strangler Lewis]

Likewise, you seldom see felatio filmed from a female perspective compared to that of a male perspective.

Perhaps we just need to give women the control of the camera more often...



Throat cam?

[€uroMeinke]

Throat cam?

exactly

[Kevy Baby]

Isn't foreplay the part where I beg and plead?

_________________

Seriously, I like different kinds of porn. Sometimes the raw passion of the amateur stuff and sometimes the more stylized stuff you see in Andrew Blake films (if you have never seen it, "Hidden Obsessions" is a must see).

I want to go back and revisit "Behind the Green Door" some day and also check out "The Story of 'O' " (which I have never seen).

And put me as one of the many who really don't like big fake boobs. The so-called "porn boobs" are just rediculous.

No nudity, but NSFW:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c36/JulesMarchisio/normal_Huge-Boobs.jpg

Also, when they do a bad job of dubbing the moans and groans. Which is why most porn is better with the sound off.

One other topic of porn that has not yet been brought up (at least that I can remember): the "money shot". Most women I've heard on this topic dislike this. It is nice to have a "finish line" but I am sort of undecided about whether I like or dislike.

Also, it seems like there is a broader acceptance of female-to-female contact than there is to male-to-male contact. Lesbian sex is perfectly acceptable in straight porn, but male-to-male contact is almost exclusively limited to "gay" porn

[innerSpaceman]

I hate the money shot. It's just so unrealistic. In the effort to keep things visual, they make the sex exclusive-to-porn.

I had one lover who seems to have gotten his idea of sex from porn and would routinely perform the money-shot in real life. Otherwise, and I think mainly so in the real world, it's primarily an internal affair.



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[€uroMeinke]

There certainly is a difference between real sex and porn sex, the money shot being one. Also there are a number of positions you see couples engage in that honestly, aren't that comfortable and don't feel all that great. Likewise, any position that results in deep penetration or close physical contact will not give you a good gynacalogical close up and thus rarely appear in porn for any extended period of time in porn.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Who says what is and isn't a part of "normal" sex? ;)

If you want a money shot to be a part of your routine, you make it a part of your routine. I guess there's something to be said for convenience and clean up, but still, that's quite an interesting generalization there.

I'm not saying it's a part of my "routine", but I wouldn't be surprised if it was for other people.

[€uroMeinke]

Who says what is and isn't a part of "normal" sex?

I can't find anywhere above where someone is calling something "normal" - I'm certainly not trying to define that, just offereing that while what is depicted in porn may be emulated in real life, it is in no way some sort of anthropological study of what real sex is. I think there's way more to sex and eroticism than what has been captured and marketed in porn. We're far more creative and complex than that.

[Not Afraid]

Going back to what types of women I like to see in porn......I don't care if they look like me, I just want to find them hot. My "type" of woman is lean but curvy, pale skin, dark hair and European. Think Dita VonTessen with a French accent. Now, if they filed porn in this way in the stores, I'd probably buy more of it.

I also LOVE written porn. Give me a good pornographic story, or well-written erotica over pictures any day. My own visual imagination is pornographic enough.

[RStar]

Lisa, you make me blush! :blush:

[RStar]

I can't find anywhere above where someone is calling something "normal".
Sure, it's a setting on the washing machine! ;)

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

Lisa, you make me blush! :blush:

Her "type" discriptions make me wanna get "Hurt at work." :evil:

[Not Afraid]

What, did you all think I was a prude? ;)

[innerSpaceman]

I certainly did.







Until the Holiday Inn.



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[lashbear]

One other topic of porn that has not yet been brought up (at least that I can remember): the "money shot".

Oh, they very rarely film the actresses being paid by the producers.

[Not Afraid]

I certainly did.







Until the Holiday Inn.



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Holiday Inn. Holiday Inn. I have no recollection of a Holiday Inn. I must've been drinking. ;)

[alphabassettgrrl]

But can a taser be used in Foreplay?
Depends. :) Might work.

[Alex]

Difference between real life and porn:

In real life I have a preference for Asian women (the combination of all visually preferred traits generally doesn't exist in real life, but one of them is Asian).

In porn, for some reason, not so much.

As for other differences, porn is a purely visual medium. The forms of sex most frequently engaged in aren't all that interesting from a third-party visual perspective. So, in sitcoms, a dinner table of will all sit on one side and in porn we need to be able to see that it isn't simulated soap opera sex.

[CoasterMatt]

Depends. :) Might work.
Depends? What kind of foreplay would require Depends? :eek:

[lashbear]

Depends? What kind of foreplay would require Depends? :eek:

Depends on how much you leak during foreplay !! :D :evil:

[lashbear]

Plus some people get off on that (http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/160/11/1932)

[Not Afraid]

I am NOT clicking that link.

[lashbear]

You can - it's a medical paper. :p

[alphabassettgrrl]

Thank you for the link - it was quite interesting. I've known about adult babies, but never found something so ... I guess... descriptive I think is the word I'm looking for.

Fetishes are interesting.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

So, men, do you prefer porn that involves men that are more like you?Hell no!!!

I want my porn men to be studly, hot, buff, and/or pretty.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

But for me, what makes for good porn is when they guys look like they're truly enjoying what they're doing. I want to see enthusiasm and smiles. I don't mind if a bottom isn't turgid if he's clearly having a good time, but if he's flaccid and bored, I hit FF.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I agree with SM - boredom is a real turn off. I'm also not a fan of giggling and sillyness in porn. Seriously involved sexuality is the way to go :cheers:

[RStar]

Seriously involved sexuality is the way to go :cheers:
GD is one lucky fella :D ..................

[alphabassettgrrl]

I'm also not a fan of giggling and sillyness in porn.
If done right I kind of like some silliness.

[innerSpaceman]

Nope, silliness almost always ruins it for me. That's why I can't talk dirty. It always comes out too funny, and my partner and I end up cracking up.







Oh, were we talking about porn?

[Kevy Baby]

Oh, were we talking about porn?How dare you interupt a thread on porn to talk about sex

[lashbear]

That's why I can't talk dirty. It always comes out too funny, and my partner and I end up cracking up.


[Austin Powers Voice] Oh, yeah baby, put my wang wang in your ning ning [/end Austin Powers Sillyness]

[Moonliner]

UPDATE.... To my original post on this subject.

Well F' That. I never thought I would be that clueless as a dad.

Looks like I'm a bit behind the times.

We were riding in the car talking about his sex-ed class. Apparently his instructor handed out crudely drawn pictures of the male and female genitalia he had created himself. :rolleyes:

So, sensing an opportunity I asked if he wanted to see "real" versions? He replied: "Dad, I have google images." Ahh.

So pressing on I asked if he had any questions that had not been answered by the class. His response: "Yeah, can hermaphrodites get themselves pregnant"? :eek: (I still need to look that one up...)


Oh, and he now has a steady girlfriend.

Case closed.

[Moonliner]

Update to the Update..

It looks like, in theory at least, It is possible (http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/may2001/990225720.Gb.r.html)in rare cases for a hermaphrodite to impregnate themselves.


Which of course begs the question: Was Mary a......

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

And the whole Chicken before the Egg thing is solved!!

[Mary Poppins]

Which of course begs the question: Was Mary a......

I most certainly am NOT, sir !

[RStar]

I most certainly am NOT, sir !
Ok, I didn't expect to find Mary Poppins posting in a thread about porn......

:D

[Kevy Baby]

Ok, I didn't expect to find Mary Poppins posting in a thread about porn......

:DDon't let that "prim and proper" facade fool you!

[Mary Poppins]

Don't let that "prim and proper" facade fool you!
You realise I just may have to put you over my knee for that remark, young man !

Take your medicine.

I did.

[RStar]

Take your medicine.
I'll take mine with a spoon full of sugar, sugar!:D

[wendybeth]

Why do I feel like Snappy Jo might make an appearance?

[lashbear]

who is snappy jo ? :rolleyes:

[NickO'Time]

Ever heard of EdwardPenis hands? (oops did I say that?):p I have. :blush:

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

Snappy Jo: The Return!

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Ever heard of EdwardPenis hands? (oops did I say that?):p I have. :blush:Heard of and seen several scenes from it.

[CoasterMatt]

Heard of and seen several scenes from it.
Heard of, and RECREATED several scenes from it. :evil:

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

I just threw-up a little bit in my mouth....

[€uroMeinke]

Heard of, and RECREATED several scenes from it. :evil:

Now wondering what the Cheeseburger 9000 really looked like...

[Kevy Baby]

Why do I feel like Snappy Jo might make an appearance?Nope. He's been banned.

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

:evil: Church Hosts 'Porn and Pancakes' Event

Church in upstate New York to host 'porn and pancakes' event

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/26/ap/strange/mainD8MT72T81.shtml

[Capt Jack]

I do believe I saw that in a..."film" once. :blush:

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I was thinking of this thread the last couple days, wondering if someone would bump it. Just like a woman to wait for a man to make the first move, eh? ;)

[Capt Jack]

gotta learn to take the helm yerself lass. life is far too short to wait for ...well, anything!

[Ghoulish Delight]

Don't get too excited...it's run by Triple X Church, which is a religious group that works against porn and porn addiction. It's a discussion about porn, not a porn viewing.

[Capt Jack]

still. not sure Id want to sit and discuss porn over breakfast in any sense.

now, over drinks and a light meal? sure.

[Strangler Lewis]

:evil: Church Hosts 'Porn and Pancakes' Event

Church in upstate New York to host 'porn and pancakes' event

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/26/ap/strange/mainD8MT72T81.shtml

Calls to mind the classic Penthouse Forum letter "from" the college student who liked to f*ck a pizza.

[RStar]

:evil: Church Hosts 'Porn and Pancakes' Event

Church in upstate New York to host 'porn and pancakes' event

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/26/ap/strange/mainD8MT72T81.shtml
What was the name of those "Pancakes" again??

[lashbear]

Calls to mind the classic Penthouse Forum letter "from" the college student who liked to f*ck a pizza.

I'll probably regret asking, but How On Earth do you do that ?

Fold it over?

Cut a hole in the centre ?

Use "Stuffed Crust" ?

[€uroMeinke]

My recollection was that it wasn't so much a pizza, as a calzone

[lashbear]

My recollection was that it wasn't so much a pizza, as a calzone

Aahh, so it WAS folded. :snap:

[RStar]

I thought it was an Apple Pie.

[Strangler Lewis]

American Pie was an apple pie. As I recall the letter, it was definitely a pizza. He would have it delivered, put it on the table, climb on top, roll around and rub.

[€uroMeinke]

I thought it was an Apple Pie.

That might have been in another issue - the forum did have a few repetitive themes: "I thought all these letters were made up until one day..."

[lashbear]

I thought it was an Apple Pie.

Hot Apple Pie from McDonalds? That explains the disclaimer on the wrapper -

"Caution: Filling may be hot. Please wait 15 minutes before ramming your todger into it." :eek:

[tracilicious]

Heehee. Lashie said "todger." :p

[lashbear]

Heehee. Lashie said "todger." :p

that's because "Wee Willie Winkie" sounds out-moded ;)

[mistyisjafo]

All this food talk is making me hungry!

My 2 cents:
Feel free to watch what you want as long as it's legal.

That is all.

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

Hot Apple Pie from McDonalds? That explains the disclaimer on the wrapper -

"Caution: Filling may be hot. Please wait 15 minutes before ramming your todger into it." :eek:

Thankfully they're 2 for $1. Begins to cut into my budget after a while...:rolleyes: