Oh, Mary!

[Gn2Dlnd]

Conservative "leaders" seem to be upset that Mary Cheney is preggers (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/06/cheney.daughters.ap/index.html).

My favorite hateful, ignorant, prejudiced quote:Carrie Gordon Earll, a policy analyst for the conservative Christian ministry Focus on the Family, expressed empathy for the Cheney family but depicted the newly announced pregnancy as unwise.

"Just because you can conceive a child outside a one-woman, one-man marriage doesn't mean it's a good idea," said. "Love can't replace a mother and a father."

Love can't replace a mother and a father. So, hands up please, how many of you, who were in unhappy family situations growing up, found that a mother and a father were a good replacement for love?

[mousepod]

It's Christmas time, and since there's no man in her life, this must be one of those virgin birth things I keep hearing about... Hail Mary!
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/6302038200.01._AA140_SCMZZZZZZZ_V1056621020_.jpg

[SacTown Chronic]

Mary Cheney is having a Jew?

[Kevy Baby]

OK, here's where I will probably piss a lot of people off (unless they read past the first line):

The ideal parenting situation, with all other factors being equal, is to be raised by a man and woman in a stable, loving, married relationship.

The key part of that is "all other factors being equal."

That being said, there are a LOT of married people who should not be having children. And there are a LOT of non-traditional couples who would/do make great parents. The singulary most important thing a parent/parents can provide a child is love. Being in a male and female marriage does not automatically make one better prepared for that task.

[CoasterMatt]

On a lil bit of a derail - some of these same jackholes who bitch about people like Mary Cheney having a baby, get pissed off that people like Rose and I *aren't* having kids. Excuse me, but there are a lot of kids here who need love and support already; we've decided that at this time, we'll help them before having any kids of our own...

[Kevy Baby]

On a lil bit of a derail - some of these same jackholes who bitch about people like Mary Cheney having a baby, get pissed off that people like Rose and I *aren't* having kids. Excuse me, but there are a lot of kids here who need love and support already; we've decided that at this time, we'll help them before having any kids of our own...There are WAY too many children in foster care that need good homes. I hope what you are saying is that you and Rose are thinking about doing something like Foster care and/or adopting. Susan and I will be doing that when we grow up.

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

Then there are losers like me who want kids and a family but just can't find a woman that can stand the sight of me, let alone want build a life with me. That said, people spend too much time figuring out what other should have, should be and should do. If people were soo much up in arms about homeless kids, kids in abusive situation, in orphanages and things of that sort, they would quite bitching and do something about it.

Its so sad to hear about this stuff...

[Not Afraid]

It's Christmas time, and since there's no man in her life, this must be one of those virgin birth things I keep hearing about... Hail Mary!


I think someone just misused the turkey baster at Thanksgiving.

[Capt Jack]

there are tons and tons (and tons) of "traditional" couples who shouldn't even be allowed in the same room together, let alone to be married and raising kids, this is minor...just more notable and somewhat ironic.

[Gemini Cricket]

I hope that kid grows up to know that Mother Mary sat by and did nothing to help the gay community while the administration she worked for reeked with homophobia.

Also, it should be noted that Mary calls her parter "her wife".

Oy.

[Ghoulish Delight]

The ideal parenting situation, with all other factors being equal, is to be raised by a man and woman in a stable, loving, married relationship.


That may be your opinion, and I won't argue it, but there's absolutely no credible evidence to support that statement.

[tracilicious]

The ideal parenting situation, with all other factors being equal, is to be raised by a man and woman in a stable, loving, married relationship.


I'm not so sure about that. Are my kids really better off (being raised in a good marriage, financial stability, and loving parents) than a child raised by two men who are also in a healthy relationship, have financial stability, and are loving parents? I'm not at all convinced. A gay couple may have to make a bit of extra effort to include members of the opposite sex in the child's life, so that they have role models of both sexes, but beyond that I'm not sure where the disadvantage lies.

[Ghoulish Delight]

That may be your opinion, and I won't argue it, but there's absolutely no credible evidence to support that statement.
I should add, neither is there credible evidence to support any sort of opposing statement (e.g., "Being raised by two dads is just as good as one parent of either sex." "Having two moms is 3 times better than 2 parents of opposite sex." "Awarding custody to three howler monkeys and an escaped convict is better than being raised by Brittney Spears." Okay, maybe that one I'll give you). The fact is, the amount of factors and variables involved are so immense and complex that it's essentially impossible to conduct any sort of study with anything approaching control or ethics that would yield a conclusive, "Family structure X is superior to family structure Y," result. To claim otherwise is foolish.

[Alex]

Babies should be conceived and born in creches and then doled out to people on a lottery system after an extensive screening process.

Since people can't be trusted to objectively decide whether they would make good parents it is a choice that can not be left in the hands of individuals. Won't you think of the children!

The one common element in all cases of child abuse by adults is that the children were allowed to live within physical reach of adults.

They say you can't choose your family, and that is unfair. So I amend my previous statement to say that children should be raised by automatons in a creche environment until they are 18 and can choose a family.

It would be the best of all worlds (namely: parental neglect and incestuous molestation would cease and I wouldn't have to see kids. Win-win).

Plus, if Mary Cheney wants a baby she shouldn't have chosen to be a lesbian. Talk about having your hairy fish taco and eating it too.

Blah blah blah.

[Sub la Goon]

My gripe with this "story" is the way a Political Issue can be made out of a personal issue. Reproductive decisions should not be the purview of any government (other than China) and branding gay people as dangerous or sub-human is reprehensible. Whatever happened to "Live and Let Live"? Or "Liberty and Justice for All"? Who is responsible for all this nosiness and self-righteousness? Republicans, of course. ;)

Nowadays it seems like the conservative motto is "You will be Assimilated".