Camping Swanking - June 28 - July 3

[Ponine]

I have a war (http://www.potrerowar.org/) next weekend. One camping excursion at a time.

You're coming down here???
Is Susan coming too?
I'd love to take my son out to the site to see it. Esp if I knew someone there!

(My household and friends are all long gone)

[Kevy Baby]

You're coming down here???
Is Susan coming too?
I'd love to take my son out to the site to see it. Esp if I knew someone there!

(My household and friends are all long gone)Well, I don't know if I would actually count Potrero as part of San Diego - it quite a ways outside of town. The basic directions I was given last year was "Go to San Diego, turn left and drive for two hours." This wasn't too far from the truth.

If you did want to visit, I can check into what is needed. I do know you would need to be in garb. But it would be a fun visit - watching people beat the heck out of each other.

Yes, Susan will be there too. Our pics from last year at this link (http://homepage.mac.com/kelder/PhotoAlbum8.html). A couple of pics from last year:

http://homepage.mac.com/kelder/.Pictures/Potrero%20War/DSC00616.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/kelder/.Pictures/Potrero%20War/DSC00609.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/kelder/.Pictures/Potrero%20War/DSC00627.jpg

[innerSpaceman]

Is that the tent you're bringing camping??

[Ponine]

If you did want to visit, I can check into what is needed. I do know you would need to be in garb. But it would be a fun visit - watching people beat the heck out of each other.

Blah. You never have to be in garb.
Thats what being a turkey is all about.

I can pull off war visit in mundane clothes. Done it before, I an do it again. I jsut cant tell anyone I know what its all about. :)
I just say, I wanted my son to see if this a group we'd like to join. See what its all about.

[Kevy Baby]

Is that the tent you're bringing camping??There are actually several different tents visible. The blue and red one is two 18' rounds with a connecting section. I think that will be a tad large for where we're going.

[Not Afraid]

I'm beginning to think I am not supposed to go camping. My Mom died while I was camping, the last trip I had planned was halted because of my cancer and, now, I'm wondering if I'm going to be able to go on this trip because of Dexter. (Did I mention I have a mamogram next week, too?)

Camping is one of my big life joys. What's the deal?

[MouseWife]

Umm... what a call to make.

On one hand, being out there, doing something you love, immersing yourself into the planning, etc., that is good for you.

The issues at hand, well, you will know more when the time is closer.

[Chernabog]

now, I'm wondering if I'm going to be able to go on this trip because of Dexter.


Did I miss something new that is wrong with Dexter? :(

I'll pray for you next week!! You'd better go, because it would be so selfish of me to play with the Totoros alone ;)

[innerSpaceman]

Sadly, Dexter is not so well, as being discussed in this thread (http://www.loungeoftomorrow.com/LoT/showthread.php?t=5869) of sadness, mixed I hope with some hope.

[Kevy Baby]

Lisa: The best thing at this point on the camping trip is to not think about it right now. There is plenty of time to see where everything shakes out the next couple of weeks.

Right now, just forget about the camping trip.

[NirvanaMan]

Ah here is the camping thread. So who is going on Friday night and coming back Sunday?

Methinks I am not wanting to make that long trip by myself...especially at $4/gallon.

[innerSpaceman]

^ that sounds like zapppop's itinerary.

[NirvanaMan]

Maybe we can take his dad's mustang

[innerSpaceman]

That would be hot. (I can't belieeeeve he doesn't want that car!)

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

Ah here is the camping thread. So who is going on Friday night and coming back Sunday?

Methinks I am not wanting to make that long trip by myself...especially at $4/gallon.

If I go, thats something I'd do.

[alphabassettgrrl]

I was at a football game once and a tailgater slid his Hibachi under the car while he went to the game. You guessed it. Disco inferno.

People used to do that when we lived in Montana. Little Hibachis under the cars in winter so they'll start in the morning. :)

Ah here is the camping thread. So who is going on Friday night and coming back Sunday?

Shawn and I were talking about this. We might be able to come (if there were space for us) and if we could bring the dogs. I can't really leave my gimpy dog home alone or in anybody's care. Either he comes with me or I stay home. I'll keep watching this thread and see how things shape up with work and all.

[innerSpaceman]

Mmmmm, animals? Methinks that's not gonna be cool up there. Pets, that is. There will be plenty of animals.


The kind that eat pets.

[Capt Jack]

I dont have any problem with critters tagging along. we brought our dogs when I was a kid and never had a problem. I considered it briefly, but mine are a little...disruptive at times (mostly just day times and night times :p ) so they arent really candidates

[alphabassettgrrl]

Maybe I'll call the campground and ask about pets. Thanks for the comments.

[Not Afraid]

Pets are allowed at the campground, but not allowed on the trails. There are quite a few bears that tend to roam the campground as well, so you can't really leave your dogs alone at all.

[alphabassettgrrl]

Good to know, thank you. I wouldn't be leaving them anyway, but still.
**hugs**
-k

[Alex]

Guess where I just got back from spending four days? I'm ready to put the tent (if I use one) back to work.


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/230/520932638_4e308c4a04_b.jpg


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/203/520932538_5454b8631c.jpg

[Not Afraid]

Ahhhhh, how I miss it!

[BarTopDancer]

Guess where I just got back from spending four days? I'm ready to put the tent (if I use one) back to work.


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/230/520932638_4e308c4a04_b.jpg


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/203/520932538_5454b8631c.jpg



:eek:

Those are beautiful!!!!!!

[innerSpaceman]

Ah Half Dome and Death Falls!


Next Camping Swanking - - the beautiful Ahwahnee Valley!

[Capt Jack]

oh wow

now I remember why I liked camping so much

[MouseWife]

Oooo, Alex!!

So, that one shot is from Glacier Point? Did you do the hike or the drive? Please share any new info that you have, would ya?

The only part of camping I will miss are the campfires. It sure is nice to sit around one at night, roasting marshmallows and telling stories. {oh, and you guys, but I mean all of the work, etc.}

At Target they have a bunch of stuff right now, like ponchos, waterproof matches, telescoping marshmallow roasters {I couldn't resist, even though I have no immediate plans for a roasting} and I forget what else.

Ooo, if you have more pictures, do share!

How nice there is still water flowing. How was the river? I am skittish about going down it if it is gushing too much....

[Alex]

Yes, it is Glacier Point and we drove up. The day before we'd done Upper Yosemite Falls (I made it about 2/3rds; that is the other photo) so following that with 4 Mile (really 4.8 mile) Trail wasn't in the cards. I was sorely tempted to walk down, though, once we were up there.

Also, I was within three feet of a bear at exactly 12:32 a.m. this morning. It was cool; in the morning most camp mates did not agree. Surprisingly, when I woke Lani and told her she just said "uh huh" and went back to sleep.

[Alex]

Missed the question about the river. We did do the rafting and while it looked hoakey everybody agreed it was a fun time. They don't open the rafting until the water is suitably low and slow. There is no thrill in the ride, but it was a fun afternoon killer.

[MouseWife]

Ack! A bear? So, what campground were you in? Were there a lot of bear sightings?

Upper Yosemite Falls. Hmm. I think that one is too hard for me. Is that on a lot of rock, with narrow trails?

The rafting being mellow is just fine with me. A nice little workout, being in the water with my two favorite allies, I hate for it to end. Unless it is too sunny, eh? Then it is just float and burn. :eek:

[Stan4dSteph]

I've done Upper Yosemite. It's a great view from up there.

I miss Yosemite.

[MouseWife]

I've done Upper Yosemite. It's a great view from up there.

I miss Yosemite.

Is it a lot of granite or dirt trails? We've done a trail that starts a bit down from the falls but I forget the name. I am a bit clumsy and worry about slipping and sliding around....as well as I have a Boy who loves to climb rocks and at that altitude....yikes!

[Not Afraid]

I've done Upper Yosemite. It's a great view from up there.

I miss Yosemite.

Upper Yosemite is a great hike - if you like switchbacks. I haven't done it since I was a kid, but the views are incredible.

[MouseWife]

Switchbacks drive the family crazy but I see them as a means to an end. :D

[innerSpaceman]

Upper Yosemite Trail starts with a million small switchbacks. It was one of the earliest trails, and that was the height of trailblazing tech back then.

They are annoying.

There's a great view from Columbia Rock at the top of the switchbacks, just before the trail curves inward to head towards the base of Upper Yosemite Fall. The base of that Fall is the furtherest I've gone (with rock scrambling to the small cave right behind the Fall's strike point - when the water was a trickle - - - not to be attempted when the Falls are full).


Also not to be attempted by me - is the trek onward toward the top of Upper Yosemite. From the base, I once saw a man plummet from the top to his gruesome death (hence my nickname of Death Falls) ... and I will go no further on that trail towards the top.



Did I mention the switchbacks are a PITA???

[Alex]

The second part of the ascent is all switchbacks too. 65 of them. Through rockpile.

I was lagging behind anyway and when I got into that the rewards seemed to diminish to the point I talked myself into turning around, happy with the view I showed above. Kind of regretting it now, but I'll go back someday.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Oh man, that was a gruelling climb, even for a relatively in shape (though asthmatic) 18 year old. But well worth it.

[Chernabog]

I don't want to look through 79 pages of thread. Did we discuss what hikes we wanted to do in Sequoia? I would actually really like to look at the Crystal Caves, since I didn't do that last time I was there.... I think they have guided tours every hour or two, but I'll have to check into how to sign up.

[Capt Jack]

uh...we're not planning on doing one of those survival treks, are we?

[Alex]

I don't think anything has to be done by everybody.

Last time I was there the Crystal Caves tours were selling out pretty early and it was in early May. Mid summer is probably pretty busy. So if it goes on the calendar it should probably be early on in the day.

[innerSpaceman]

When I get back from the Grand Canyon on the 9th (if someone industrious hasn't acted first), I intend to transform the now-useless camping dates poll to an activity poll.

We should find out which folks want to do which stuff, and then coordinate our activity schedule as best we can to accommodate everyone's deepest desires.

Er, nature exploration desires.

Um, natural park hiking and activity desires.




As I recall, there's the Crystal Caverns, the trek to King's Canyon, the hike to the nearby grove of Giant Sequoias, and there's an even shorter hike to some big rock or another with a panoramic view (I don't have time to scour 79 pages either).

[Kevy Baby]

I don't want to look through 79 pages of thread.Then reset the "posts per Page to 500 and you will only have a page and a half to read!

[Not Afraid]

I want to rent canoes and go canoeing. i believe Hume Lake is like 25 minutes away.

Actually, I just want to be able to go.

[Morrigoon]

I wanna see huge wood - er, I mean big trees.

[innerSpaceman]

I wanna see huge wood

Just intrude upon my tent once zapppop arrives.

[Not Afraid]

Hiking information. (http://www.sequoia.national-park.com/hike.htm)

Also, Boyden Cavern. (http://www.caverntours.com/BoydenRt.htm)

[Disneyphile]

Just intrude upon my tent once zapppop arrives.That's not the giant redwood I had in mind. :p

[MouseWife]

There's a great view from Columbia Rock at the top of the switchbacks,

Did I mention the switchbacks are a PITA???


That sounds familiar. Oh, and I hate the paths/switchbacks over rockpile. When we did it, it was snowing.

[€uroMeinke]

Then there is Lounging - I plan on getting some of that done too while we are there

[innerSpaceman]

Hiking information. (http://www.sequoia.national-park.com/hike.htm)

Also, Boyden Cavern. (http://www.caverntours.com/BoydenRt.htm)
Hmm, while that site did mention Little Baldy (the rock I couldn't remember the name of), it didn't mention the main hike available from Dorst Campground, namely, to the relatively secluded grove of giant Sequoias (the Muir Grove??).

Of all those others mentioned there, I think we tossed about the hike to Tokopah Falls as a possibility. And I guess Zumwalt Meadow would be included in our trek to Kings Canyon.

Also ... is Boyden Cavern separate and apart from Crystal Cavern? If so, which do we choose :confused:




NA, € and I did quite a bit of preliminary activity research when making the camping reservations. Though by no means exhaustive, we did a fairly good job of finding reasonably unstrenuous, interesting and nearby hikes, plus a couple of cars-required excursions to fascinating sites beyond walking distance.

I'd hate to re-create the wheel and start all over again (especially when the desired information is likely somewhere in this very thread).

[Not Afraid]

I'm not sure we posted all of the info, however, I believe my trusty Kings Canyon & Sequoia Hiking books are still in the living room.

Oh, and Boyden and Crystal are not near each other. Boyden is on the road down to Kings Canyon (and not in the National park) while Crystal is in Sequoia.

[innerSpaceman]

From our campground, there's a wonderful hike to the Muir Grove of giant Sequoias ... far more secluded and intitmate than the more touristy groves near parking lots and vending machines. Also accessible from our campsite is a shorter hike to Little Baldy, an exposed granite dome with a panaramic view of the Sierras.

So, allowing for any further, independent discoveries - the for-sure hikes directly from camp are to the Muir Grove, and to Little Baldy. A short drive takes you to the trailhead for Tokopah Falls and, if anyone desires, the far more touristy Grant Grove of sequoias. Longer-driving excursions will be headed for Kings Canyon and one of the caverns (if there are really two of them).



Please contribute any further suggestions, if you have 'em.
And, depending on how my ascent from the depths of Grand Canyon goes, I may attempt to scale Alta Peak in Sequoia.

[Kevy Baby]

Then there is Lounging - I plan on getting some of that done too while we are thereI'll be right there with ya!

[innerSpaceman]

I expect a good deal of campfire lounging and early morning lounging. And that's about all the lounging I personally plan to do.


Frankly, if I wanted lounging ... camping is the absolute last vacation option I would choose. It's work, work and more work ... almost constantly. In between, there's the adventuring that is the raison d'etre of my travel to the great outdoors.

Finally, after the last bit of work is done for the day, I can have a cocktail and sit around the campfire ... where, after all that work and adventuring, I'm likely at my age to fall asleep within the hour.


Then there's the last bit of work in throwing away all trash, bearproofing all foods, and battening down camp for the night. Ah, and a few hours shut-eye before the dawn.



I salute all ye loungers ... but I'm not one of you.

[€uroMeinke]

And that, is why there will be options ;)

[innerSpaceman]

What I love about a camp population of 20+ is that all the options can indeed be experienced. We will have an outdoor swank society!

[€uroMeinke]

I somewhat feel compelled to pick up pith helmets

[Gemini Cricket]

I somewhat feel compelled to pick up pith helmets
If you don't because of funding issues, it could be a pith poor idea...
:D




Okay, I officially can't go swank camping. My job will be ramping up right around that time. We'll be gearing up to start editing that week. :(

[Alex]

Sorry for any inconvenience and don't worry about the $50, but I'm backing out.

[blueerica]

:(

[Ponine]

Sorry for any inconvenience and don't worry about the $50, but I'm backing out.

I'm not even going and I'm sad you're not attending.

[Disneyphile]

Ok, who scared Alex away?

Maybe it was me and all my talk of running around naked? :eek:

[Morrigoon]

Sorry for any inconvenience and don't worry about the $50, but I'm backing out.

Sorry to hear it, you'll be missed!

[innerSpaceman]

Alex, PM me an address and, natch, your $50 will be refunded promptly.


I'm sorry to hear you won't be joining us. :(

[Ponine]

Ok, who scared Alex away?

Maybe it was me and all my talk of running around naked? :eek:

I'm really hoping it was something else and not the Bookstore thread.

I was really hoping the Capt could meet him. :(

[innerSpaceman]

Apparently it was the bookstore thread. I am flabbergasted.

If everyone who ever picked a fight with Alex on this board, or posted something stupid to which Alex took offense were to drop out of this camping trip, the bears would have to eat the crickets.

[Alex]

There's a difference between being a person I've argued with and being a person I don't want to spend that much time with. At some point I've argued (sometimes heatedly) with just about every regular here but I'd happily spend time with most of them.

And for the record, I have very rarely taken offense at what anybody has said. I have frequently disagreed, but they are hardly the same thing. You, currently, I find offensive. I'm sorry if that makes me a humorless boor incapable of seeing the bravery of saying what you did or the wit of what you did. But better that I step out now than put myself in the position of having to pretend to find you amusing for four days.

My apologies to anybody else I am inconveniencing or disappointing in some way. I hope you all have a great trip and the bears remain a respectful distance away.

And since this should be a happy, drama-free thread, I promise not to sully it further.

[Not Afraid]

I think that no decisions should be made until the drama boat is past the horizon. There are 20 people going camping. We can't ALL like each other now, can we?

[Kevy Baby]

I think that no decisions should be made until the drama boat is past the horizon. There are 20 people going camping. We can't ALL like each other now, can we?Well, I don't like anybody but I am going anyways.

[Kevy Baby]

Much earlier in the thread, I spoke of a possible common kitchen. At this link, you can see the kitchen/pantry setup that we had for the SCA Potrero War Memorial Day Weekend. Obviously, the cooler collection and open pantry wouldn't work (due to the bears), but maybe other parts of this setup could work.

We will be bringing the large camp stove (three burners, one of which is 17,000 BTU's) as well as a lot of other parts of this setup.

[Disneyphile]

Ah, darn. I was really hoping to try out our new RoadTrip Grill. :(

Sounds like my honey and I are going to need to do the weekend camp thing at the beach that we've talked about.

By the way, I thought we're not doing a communal kitchen because of the five separate sites?

Is this changing now?

I really don't want to sleep in the "central camp kitchen".

The more complex this gets, the less I'm looking forward to going.

[Kevy Baby]

No change (that I know of at least). I was just sharing since I had mentioned it previously.
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Oh crap... I never included the link in the post above. Here it is (http://homepage.mac.com/kelder/PhotoAlbum14.html).

[Capt Jack]

awesome kitchen stuff. I could sleep in there. the bears wouldnt eat much and if they did, I could at least fix em up something nice. :D

[Disneyphile]

No change (that I know of at least). I was just sharing since I had mentioned it previously.Coolies! We're still bringing our RoadTrip as well. Can't wait to play with it - I love cooking outdoors, so Ken and I will most likely be having hot lunches too.

[blueerica]

Whelp...

There's a big part of me that's glad that I didn't send Steve my camping payment yet. As it stands, it looks like already my school schedule is going to be a big wrench in my options to have any fun that particular weekend. I am going to play it out until the end of the week to see when the professor will be doing my presentation, but it's not looking good. :(

[CoasterMatt]

Any of you ever heard "Nature Trail To Hell" by Weird Al? :D

[JWBear]

It looks like Bill and I are going to have to drop out. Sorry guys.

[Capt Jack]

well hell. :(

Im goin by hook or by crook. I so very much need time off and away its not even funny at this point. Dont care if Im the only person in all five sites and have to live on jerky and water. I'll be there.

to all those who have to bail...you will be missed.

[BarTopDancer]

GO CAMPING PEOPLES!

BE - take your homework.

I'd be all over this trip except it's the weekend between when I get back from FL and when I go to Vegas and I'll have a boatload of laundry and recovering/resting to do. I'd rather be camping.

[Morrigoon]

It looks like Bill and I are going to have to drop out. Sorry guys.

What, and break up Team Mini?

So... are we still keeping up 5 sites, guys?

[JWBear]

What, and break up Team Mini?

So... are we still keeping up 5 sites, guys?

Sorry. :( Team Mini will just have to be mini-er.

[Moonliner]

GO CAMPING PEOPLES!

I'll have a boatload of laundry and recovering/resting to do. I'd rather be camping.

Wuss :p

[BarTopDancer]

Wuss :p

Yup. :p ;)

[Kevy Baby]

Wuss :pTouché

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

Well, if all works out I'll be going! Can I make up for the missing people? ;) I should be up on Fri and off sometime on Sunday.

:)

[Disneyphile]

Well, if all works out I'll be going! Can I make up for the missing people? ;) I should be up on Fri and off sometime on Sunday.

:)Well, it looks like Morrigoon and Chernabog will now need a couple teammates. :)

(Although, I am quite sad that the JWB's and Erica aren't coming now.)

[blueerica]

I'm still trying to sit in maybe. I didn't realize the intense course-load I was taking on.

BTD - I would, except it's not like homework, and I have to meet up with my teammates. I can't expect them to schedule their busy lives around my camping trip, nor could I bear the burden of a lesser grade due to my negligence. So, I have to find out when the date will actually be, though on the calendar, it looks like its the Monday we're supposed to be coming back.

I'm sad; I'll look at my schedule, but I'm not sure if I can stress myself out by being gone over a weekend with the masochistic semester I've chosen. It's why I'm starting to look toward day-or-night type of things, like Cemetery Screenings...

[BarTopDancer]

I'm still trying to sit in maybe. I didn't realize the intense course-load I was taking on.

BTD - I would, except it's not like homework, and I have to meet up with my teammates. I can't expect them to schedule their busy lives around my camping trip, nor could I bear the burden of a lesser grade due to my negligence. So, I have to find out when the date will actually be, though on the calendar, it looks like its the Monday we're supposed to be coming back.

I'm sad; I'll look at my schedule, but I'm not sure if I can stress myself out by being gone over a weekend with the masochistic semester I've chosen. It's why I'm starting to look toward day-or-night type of things, like Cemetery Screenings...

Bring them camping with you. DUH! :p

[Gemini Cricket]

It looks like Bill and I are going to have to drop out. Sorry guys.
Well, they're not going and I'm not going... so much for bears and crickets.
:D

[Ponine]

This pic was stolen from a friend currently doing a trip through Alaska.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/ponine/LoT/BearSign.jpg

Seemed appropriate

[Morrigoon]

Mmmm... Alaska (sorry, Deadiest Catch moment there)

[€uroMeinke]

Bears that hang out in outhouses are the worst

[Kevy Baby]

Cruising in the Porta Potty?

[JWBear]

Bears that hang out in outhouses are the worst

It wasn't me. I swear!

[Morrigoon]

Quick question for those with dietary limitations - any issues with eggs?

[Not Afraid]

We set op our new tent in the living room today. It's big! It took up all of the center of the LR floor with the furniture pushed back. We still have to test our stove and fuel lantern before going. I'm making preparations, even though I'm still unsure about what condition Dexter will be in in 2 weeks time.

However, Dexter really LOVED the tent. He climbed right in it an made himself at home. maybe he wants to go with us?

[Disneyphile]

I think you should bring Dexter! He'll be fine in the tent. :)

[MouseWife]

Aw, your plans sound so fun.

I saw at Target they are selling a nice tent.

I am getting excited as well. While I am not going camping, I am getting the heck outta Dodge.

I will be thinking of you all and wondering what you are up to.

And I'll be thinking about Dexter, too.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I'm sad to report that I'm going to have to remove myself from this swanky camping expedition. Some unfortunate financial constraints are upon me and I cannot put off taking care of them anymore. I'll be very sad not to spend a few days in the wild with y'all. I think, instead, I'm going to take those days off anyway and stick close to home, relaxing and getting to know my semi-new neighborhood better. I hope you all have a swell time and I'll look forward to your post-camping posts.

[Ponine]

Oh honey.. that stinks.
If I can help, or anyone else... let me know.

I'd love for you to be able to go if you can.

[BarTopDancer]

I wish it wasn't so far. I so want to go but it seems pointless to not be able to leave until Friday after work and have to come home on Sunday. I also don't have a tent.

[katiesue]

My tent sleeps two - you're welcome to join.

[BarTopDancer]

Is anyone leaving Friday night/Saturday morning and coming back Sunday?

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Oh honey.. that stinks.
If I can help, or anyone else... let me know.

I'd love for you to be able to go if you can.

That's very sweet of you. It would, all told, be too stressful at this time. I really just need a few days where I'm not traveling or working or doing anything besides catching up on some old bills and reading in the park. It's really not that bad. Just bad enough that it makes a trip rather difficult. On top of which, work is really, really busy. So if it's hugely busy at the end of the month, I'll probably work the Thursday and Friday I was taking off and save them for some other time. Definitely going to take Monday - the 4th, though.

[BarTopDancer]

I wish it wasn't so far. I so want to go but it seems pointless to not be able to leave until Friday after work and have to come home on Sunday. I also don't have a tent.

Is anyone leaving Friday night/Saturday morning and coming back Sunday?

Well that was fun to think about for a fleeting moment. I really can't go. It's not a money issue or a lack of tent issue. It's just not good timing.

Everyone who is going - have a blast!

[Disneyphile]

I went ahead and updated the Wiki to show those who are definite. We're now at 14, most staying Friday, Saturday, and Sunday evenings.

We can definitely drop to 4 sites and 4 meals, so Sunday dinner can be scratched, which will be better for Katiesue and company. Speaking of which, I switched you to the breakfast that became available due to an entire team dropping out. :)

We can also possibly drop Thursday and Tuesday, thus bringing the cost down even further.

Stay tuned - NA is working on the semantics. :)

[katiesue]

The San Diego area REI locations are having their used gear sale starting on Saturday. I'm not sure about other areas. Apparently you can get some killer deals on things that have been returned etc.

[Disneyphile]

Well, I just made up two jars of my infamous "cherry bombs", aka rum-soaked cherries, just for this trip.

We bought a box of fresh bing cherries today, so I stuffed two small pickle jars with them, and topped one off with coconut rum and the other with vanilla rum.

So, those who partake in libations are gonna have some fun! :evil:

[Capt Jack]

those sound worth the trip all on their own :snap:

I look forward to trying one

[Disneyphile]

I look forward to trying oneOr ten. There are about 70 cherries between the two jars. :D

[Not Afraid]

OK. We need to revise the meal teams since too many people have dropped out. Also, I am going to cancel the reservation for Thursday and Monday nights - all sites - and probably cancel one of the 5 sites. HOWEVER, we need to figure out how many cars we will have and who is carpooling.

If I can cance these ressies relatively soon, our cost PP will probably go down. So, now's the time to start revisiting our planning.

Cars first, meal teams second.

[Kevy Baby]

I do know that the Teresa/Ken/Susan/Kevin campsite will have two cars. Teresa and Susan will be going home on Monday whereas Ken and I need to leave on Sunday.

[Not Afraid]

The Lisa/Chris/Tracy/Kara site will also have 2 cars.

That's 2 sites, 4 cars. All ok so far.

[Kevy Baby]

So, two cars per site is not a problem? Good to know.

[Not Afraid]

Well........both cars have to fit within the alloted parking space at the site, which we won't know about until we get there. I was previously happy about having a collection of smaller cars as well as larger ones. However, the parking issue may dictate the decision about if we keep the 5th space or not.

[Alex]

Feel free to apply my contribution to keeping the fifth spot so that you have the parking space and the locker space.

[Not Afraid]

Why don't you just use the money to join us, Alex?

[Morrigoon]

Joe and I will be arriving in one vehicle, and that a mini (or at worst, a Matrix, if we can't fit it all in the mini).

And I don't know if Bornieo is arriving in his own vehicle or with another person, but there's totally enough room.

And then one assumes that Nirvanaman and Babette will be in a single vehicle, leaving plenty of room for KatieSue

[Morrigoon]

Why don't you just use the money to join us, Alex?
There ya go... plenty of room still. There are two 3-person teams still!

[Capt Jack]

*raises his hand*
uh...my vehicle isnt what I could call small. half-ton reg cab shortbed pickup. and since I'll actually be sleeping in it, I kinda need it. :P

sorry for the complication

[Morrigoon]

Yeah, but our car barely counts as a car, so it all evens out ;)

On a side note, I think I know where we should go next time. My sister in law posted about it in her blog. (Complete with photos!) (http://hassler.livejournal.com/) Look at that freaking waterfall!

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

As of now NirvanaMan and I are carpooling Friday night arrival, sunday night departure.

Maybe if Kevy and Ken ride back with us on Sunday night, that would cut the extra car???

[innerSpaceman]

Not to complicate things further, but ....


I don't really feel zlicklike being a boring, tired old Fudz .... so ....


If there's space for me .... I'd like to rejoin the camping trip.




Um, keeping the fifth space would be my recommendation. The bear box and parking spaces are primo attributes that are worth paying for, even if no one sleeps on those sites.



My passenger dropped out so .... as far as I can tell, I'd be driving up alone in a large vehicle.


Oh yeah, and my meal teammates all dropped out, too. So, er, feel free to throw me on some other team (of people who can, ya know, cook - - lest folks go hungry when it's our turn to feed them).



Sorry for the hemming and the hawwing. I was just adventured out for a bit and seguewaying directly into camping prep got me a little freaked out. My apologies.

[Capt Jack]

*highfive* welcome back to da partay

[Disneyphile]

Um, keeping the fifth space would be my recommendation. The bear box and parking spaces are primo attributes that are worth paying for, even if no one sleeps on those sites.Good points - overflow food and parking, and it might make a good open gathering spot for evening campfires! However, I think it's safe to say that we can drop Monday and Thursday evenings still, because it came down to only 2 or 3 folks being available those nights anyway.

Welcome back to the club, by the way. :snap:

Just check with the two 3-person teams and see which one could use your help the most. :)

[Kevy Baby]

Maybe if Kevy and Ken ride back with us on Sunday night, that would cut the extra car???K&T will be going up at a different time than S&I, so we will need both cars.

I agree - let's keep the fifth spot.

And ALEX: please reconsider. I know I am counted among the many who would love to have you there.

[Disneyphile]

And ALEX: please reconsider. I know I am counted among the many who would love to have you there.Us too.

[Capt Jack]

I agree - let's keep the fifth spot.

And ALEX: please reconsider. I know I am counted among the many who would love to have you there.

yeah, Im not looking to get any of the up front funds back.

yeah to the 2nd part too. the more the merrier.
also, if theres anyone who feels like its too late, please consider/re-consider going anyway. I have the feeling this will be low key and seriously relaxing.

I'd go just for the natural 'pine fresh scent' and lack of...well, pretty much everything else in the world.

[Morrigoon]

I can see the logic to keeping the extra site (yeah, bear box!)

If we keep the "open" space in the middle, we can set it up as a sort of communal living and gathering space. I might even offer up the 10'x10' sun shelter to the cause.

[Not Afraid]

OK, it makes total sense to keep the 5th site, but I'm going to cancel Thursday and Tuesday for all sites - unless I hear any objections before I find time to make the call.

As for meal teams................?????

[innerSpaceman]

My only concern about cancelling Tuesday is the time pressure to bug out on Monday.


Remember, no one was ever going to actually spend Tuesday night there. The pittance in the price for one more night of the 5 sites was to guarantee anyone staying Monday night the pleasure of striking camp and bugging out at a leisurely pace.

To me, that's worth the money. I hate having to get up, strike camp and go in a big hurry. (ahem, Noon is a BIG HURRY)

[Morrigoon]

At $16/site for 5 sites though, it may be worth partially packing up the night before... those who are still around monday

[innerSpaceman]

With all due respect, I'll be dropping twice that on dinner at Granvilles on Sunday.

It would be hard to convince me that $80 is worth the inconvenience of ten people.

[Kevy Baby]

One question is: how many people are staying through Monday night? I would imagine that most people would be leaving on Sunday and/or Monday.

Rather than keeping all five campsites through Tuesday night, maybe we only need to keep one or two on that last night. Even if there are (for example) four people staying through, if they are in two campsites, I wouldn't ask them to consolidate just to save a couple of bucks.

OTOH, there is no need to excessively overpay!

Let's be smart about this.

[innerSpaceman]

Wait, maybe I'm confused. I just want to keep the sites though Monday night - so that we can leave leisurely on Monday.

If Tuesday Night is the last night reserved, by all means cancel that.

[Kevy Baby]

It may be me who is confused. Does somebody who has all brain cells functioning provide better detail?

Even so, how many are leaving Sunday (I know Ken and I are) vs those staying through Monday (Teresa and Susan).

ETA: Nirvanaman and Bornieo are also leaving Sunday.

Hmm... maybe I should go look at that Wiki thing

[innerSpaceman]

Hmm, I'm leaving Monday morningish.


Hey, isn't that Wiki thing supposed to tell all?


(Ooops, I better add myself back in.)



ETA: According to the Wiki, 8 people are sleeping at camp Sunday night and departing on Monday. Monday is the last night reserved, and I think we should keep it so those 8 people don't have to rush around to strike camp and bug out.

And I really don't feel like being rushed ... on my Birthday :D

[Kevy Baby]

Okay, I just consulted the Wiki. There are six people staying through Monday:
Chris
Lisa
Teresa
Traci
Kara
Susan
SteveI know that Disneyphile and Susan are in one site. Chris, Lisa, Traci and Kara are in one, and Steve would be a third.

Further, €uroMeinke and Not Afraid are the only two arriving on Thursday.

So, IF IT IS ALLOWED, we will need:
One site Thursday through Tuesday (Team 2)
Two sites Friday through Tuesday (Team 1 and the team that Steve is on)
Two sites Friday through Monday (for Team 3 or 4 - whichever one Steve is NOT on and the bonus spot).Presumably, the fifth site would not be needed after the Monday checkout.

And now that more brain cells are firing, "through Tuesday" means that we would have the site through Tuesday checkout (which means we are paying for Monday night even though no one will be there). This enables those leaving Monday do no have to race Monday morning to strike camp (which is fair!).

So the big question is: can we minimize the site orders down to the above?

AND - can we talk Alex back into coming?

[Kevy Baby]

ETA: According to the Wiki, 8 people are sleeping at camp Sunday night...Psst.. count again - it is only 7.


ETA: According to the Wiki, 8 people are sleeping at camp Sunday night and departing on Monday. Monday is the last night reserved, and I think we should keep it so those 8 people don't have to rush around to strike camp and bug out.

And I really don't feel like being rushed ... on my Birthday :D And you (and the other six) shouldn't be.

[Kevy Baby]

I know it was mentioned earlier, but what is the drive time to Sequoia/Dorst (not counting traffic).

[Not Afraid]

Drive time is about 5 1/2 hours depending in the route.

We're not going up until Friday, so I will cancel Thursday for sure.

Let me know what the decisions is about Monday night.

[innerSpaceman]

Keep Monday night.

How many times do I have to spell it out? It's not for sleeping there Monday night. It's for a non-deadline departure on Monday.

For, according to Kevy's count, 7 people.


Do what you think best, NA ... I think I've made my vote clear, and I've just one vote.

[MouseWife]

Can seven people stay in one site? And, perhaps, if cancelled this late, no one will take one next to you and you can use it, too? :D

That way it isn't too much money spent.

A question, I wonder if you cancel that last night if they'll get that one space rented out anyways for you to have to be rushed out....one lone night may not be attractive to anyone....

[innerSpaceman]

Um, unless we were all seven camped on the same site the whole time ... there would be, for all practical purposes, no way to have seven people camped on one site for the final night.

[Not Afraid]

I think we either keep all of the sites on Monday night or we dump them. I don't want to have to move camp 1/2 way through.

[Disneyphile]

Ok, at $20 per campsite per day, that's $400 for all five sites for Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and Monday evenings. Divided by 15 people, that's just under $27 per person.

That's so not a problem. :)

Also, it would be perfect to keep the fifth site in the middle, because we can make that the evening communal firepit/gathering place with less worry of disturbing our neighbors. The bear box would also make a great place for the bar needs. ;)

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

I like the idea of the middle camp area idea.

That's where we can keep the "Conch."

[Not Afraid]

Great ideas, everyone.

[Disneyphile]

Great ideas, everyone.Yes, and $27 per person is a hell of a lot better than the original $50, so none of us can complain about that! :snap:

We're going to have a great time! :D

[Morrigoon]

Also, it would be perfect to keep the fifth site in the middle, because we can make that the evening communal firepit/gathering place with less worry of disturbing our neighbors. The bear box would also make a great place for the bar needs. ;)

Bear box... bar needs... awesome.

I, for one, will be contributing a bottle of Mr. Shaw's finest Shiraz, as well as some Rum :)

Also considering bringing some snacky stuff to share.

[Chernabog]

That's where we can keep the "Conch."

What is that? The community vagina?

[Alex]

Take care with the wine and having it in bear boxes. If the boxes get any direct sun they turn into ovens. On our recent Yosemite trip three decent (as if there is such a thing) bottles of wine died this way.

[innerSpaceman]

Hmmm, then we best take the booze with us on any excursions. :cheers:

[Kevy Baby]

Yes, and $27 per person is a hell of a lot better than the original $50, so none of us can complain about that! :snap:
Which reminds me... I still owe ISM some money :eek:
_______________________

On the money issue in regards to the additional day:

I wouldn't expect the seven people staying to all cram into one campsite. I also wouldn't ask someone to move their camp for one night just to save a couple bucks. Since it appears there are three camps worth of people that are there through Monday (two "unneeded" camps), we are talking about a $40 difference.

$40 / 15 people = $2.67 per person.

I vote keeping all sites through Monday.

[innerSpaceman]

Which reminds me... I still owe ISM some money.

BTW, no more paypal payments, please. I guess I've reached some kind of limit where they've started deducting amounts from your payments before they get to me. Feh on that.

We're close enough to the trip so that we can work out the money on site. Some people haven't paid, others will likely be due partial refunds.

Those who haven't paid yet, please bring small bills. :)

[Kevy Baby]

Just as well - the link on the Wiki no worky.

[Morrigoon]

Alex: good point. Maybe we should be bringing white wines that we can keep chilled in the coolers ;) Thanks for the heads up on that, btw.

(I'm actually considering picking up a bottle of Moscato as well, but I didn't have the money when I was at TJ's the other night, so that's why the 2-buck chuck... and shiraz sounded decent)

[Disneyphile]

$40 / 15 people = $2.67 per person.

I vote keeping all sites through Monday.Exactly. Like I said, I don't think people will really gripe at only $27 per person for the entire trip. :)

And, iSm, Ken and I will be sure to bring it all in ones. :p

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

What is that? The community vagina?

Yeah, but you have to blow on it when you want to speak to the group.:p

Didn't anyone read Lord of the Flies?

[Kevy Baby]

No, no, no... "Blow" is just an expression.









;)

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

I was thinking about bringing my guitar. Anyone know how to play it?

[Capt Jack]

no, but bring it anyway. I have several I put through 773H when Im good and drunk.

[Kevy Baby]

I was thinking about bringing my guitar. Anyone know how to play it?I can only play a CD

[Morrigoon]

*wondering if she can figure out where she has a conch stored*

Meh, probably in my storage space.

[Kevy Baby]

Hey Morrigoon.. what did you change on the Wiki?

For anybody else who has forgotten about it, there is a thread with info on the Wiki here (http://www.loungeoftomorrow.com/LoT/showthread.php?t=5689).

There may be a small challenge. I am not sure what time I am getting off on Friday (I am going to try and get the whole day, but that may not happen). Our group is scheduled to do dinner on Friday, but I am concerned about getting up there in time to make and serve dinner.

ALSO, what is meant by "Gourmet" meals? We were planning on serving stew and bread - not typically considered gourmet (though darned good!).

[Kevy Baby]

BTW: Do we need to cater to any vegetarians or other dietary considerations? Other than mine, there are none listed on the Wiki.

[Morrigoon]

What is that? The community vagina?

Which reminds me... I still owe ISM some money :eek:


Just had to point this out. I was scrolling quickly down the page, so I read these in succession. :evil:

[Morrigoon]

Kevy,

I made "Dorst Campground" and "Loop E 121-125" into links that take you to a page I found with a map of the campground.

Your stew is mostly pre-made, isn't it? So basically heat and serve? Sounds like a good plan, especially with you driving up. I'm sure somebody could have a stove or campfire up and running by the time you get there if you're late.

[Gemini Cricket]

The community vagina?
Isn't that Paris Hilton's nickname?

:D

[€uroMeinke]

BTW: Do we need to cater to any vegetarians or other dietary considerations? Other than mine, there are none listed on the Wiki.

We will need bacon

[Not Afraid]

I've cancelled Thursday for all 5 sites. We will be recieving a credit for each site of $20 (that = $100). Someone else can figure out the math of how much we all owe and how much money each of us who have paid will get back.

[innerSpaceman]

We will need bacon
ooooh, maybe that's what we'll have for Sunday dinner.


Not being on any meal team (which, btw, is a fine idea, trust me), I thought I'd throw together a quick dinner for the folks staying Sunday night ... and it seemed camp stew would be the perfect easy thing, and nicely rustic after all those other "gourmet" meals. Um, now I see that stew is first up on Friday. Fine.

So howzabout we just grill up a ton of bacon Sunday night???

[innerSpaceman]

Someone else can figure out the math of how much we all owe and how much money each of us who have paid will get back.
Well, we've "taken in" $325 in payments so far, on a total site bill of $400. So basically, those who haven't paid will be paying those who have, with $50 going to me at some point in there.

Like I said, everyone bring small bills.

[Kevy Baby]

We will need baconWell, that's a given!

Like I said, everyone bring small bills.That will come in handy for the strippers.

[€uroMeinke]

That will come in handy for the strippers.

Bringing the Bunny suit for some fireside entertainment?

[Kevy Baby]

Kevy,

I made "Dorst Campground" and "Loop E 121-125" into links that take you to a page I found with a map of the campground.Cool. Thanks for the extra info!

[Morrigoon]

So okay, I'm sure a lot of us will be shopping this weekend for stuff. SO, just as a refresher, we're supposed to bring one bundle of firewood each, right? As well as remembering that we're each on our own for lunches. And those who haven't paid yet need to remember small bills.

Anything else?

[Disneyphile]

I've cancelled Thursday for all 5 sites. We will be recieving a credit for each site of $20 (that = $100). Someone else can figure out the math of how much we all owe and how much money each of us who have paid will get back.As I stated earlier, it's $27 per person total. (400/15 = 26.666666) So, those who have paid $50 get $23 back. Very simple. :)

Kevy - if you like, Ken can pick up the stew from Susan on Thursday night, and we'll be happy to heat it while we're prepping the bread and appetizers on Friday. That way, it will still get served around 6 or 7pm, even if you're just arriving then. :)

[lashbear]

I don't eat liverwurst. Make sure none of the desserts have it please.

[Capt Jack]

I don't eat liverwurst.

awww...you dont know what you're missing!
wurst on a kaiser roll with some red onion and hot mustard? mmmmmmmmmm


meanwhile, back at the campsite...
so, to prevent duplication of meals, is there a published list of what the menu looks like so far?

[Kevy Baby]

so, to prevent duplication of meals, is there a published list of what the menu looks like so far?Use the Wiki. I am going to put a link to it in my sig. The password to edit it is 123456.

[lashbear]

awww...you dont know what you're missing!
wurst on a kaiser roll with some red onion and hot mustard? mmmmmmmmmm
Sounds good !! I actually do eat liverwurst, just not in Desserts. :p I'll leave that to the Iron Chef.

[Capt Jack]

with the current extreme fire danger across the state (country?) do we know if we'll be allowed to build a fire on site? I've not been able to find any info on it. Im really only asking as it may impact food prep/marshmallow roastage

[MouseWife]

Im really only asking as it may impact food prep/marshmallow roastage

One of the most important factors....

And, how hot is it supposed to be? I've been checking Yosemites' forecasts and it will be warming up steadily.

[Morrigoon]

I think it's safe to say we should bring clothing for hot, cold and rain. Not that it's looking likely that it will rain, but it'd really suck to get stuck w/out rain stuff up there.

[CoasterMatt]

Hopefully Mark won't end up being sexually assaulted and killed by a grizzly bear.

[MouseWife]

I agree with you on that, Morri.

They say the weather can change quickly. We went up in August, while it was very hot here in San Diego.

First day there, hot. Woke up to a light shower. We figured it would burn off. Went down the river and there was a thunderstorm. Cold one, too.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/MouseWife/mercedrainriver.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/MouseWife/mercedrain.jpg

This is us on the river caught in that storm....we were stranded and had to get off of the river before the beach and had to sit on the side of the road in the cold rain. We put the Boy under the flipped over raft...

[Capt Jack]

And, how hot is it supposed to be? I've been checking Yosemites' forecasts and it will be warming up steadily.

two words:

super soaker

:evil:

[MouseWife]

LOL

Another word...mud!! :D

[Morrigoon]

LOL

Another word...mud!! :D

You have to be cautious suggesting something like THAT around THIS group :evil:

[Disneyphile]

Also don't forget insect repellent!

[Ponine]

You have to be cautious suggesting something like THAT around THIS group :evil:

Hey Morri... you didnt answer in the Libby Bray thread.. would you like me to send Rebel Angels up to Camp Swank for you?

[Morrigoon]

Thanks, but I'll probably pick up my own copy. Nice to know which book I'm looking for though!

[Disneyphile]

How perfect is this -

I just checked the campground site info, and #123, which is our center site, has no shade, so it's perfect for the group party/fire/broohaha area! :)

Oh, and for the next camp swank, I vote that we go here: http://www.visitsequoia.com/1776.aspx

:snap:

[Morrigoon]

How'd you find out it has no shade?

[DreadPirateRoberts]

I just checked the campground site info, and #123, which is our center site, has no shade, so it's perfect for the group party/fire/broohaha area! :)


Ah.. The Mad Dogs and Englishmen campsite.

[Disneyphile]

How'd you find out it has no shade?On that handy little map you linked. ;) If you click on each site, it gives you info about the individual site. :)

All have shade except for 123. It's also backed by a meadow, so that allows for even more sound cushion for our swanking area. :snap:

[Capt Jack]

wow. this is gonna be so cool!

btw, how do you all feel about huevos rancheros?

[BarTopDancer]

They're delicious! Can you drop some off on your way there?

[MouseWife]

How do you know the insect repellant won't attract bears???


They're delicious! Can you drop some off on your way there?


LOL

One word:

Chorizo. :cool:

[Disneyphile]

btw, how do you all feel about huevos rancheros?YUM!! :D

By the way, NA knows where the showers are located, which happen to be on the way to most of the hiking and scenic places, so those who want to can shower. :D (Just be sure to add quarters to your packing lists!)

[Capt Jack]

seriously? you folks will eat chorizo? many of the folks around me turn their noses up at it for one reason or another, so I dont assume when it comes to chorizo. personally, I love it

awesome.
(note to self: add 'tent air fresheners' to Wiki)

[Morrigoon]

Would you file that under "Bear bait" or "Chum"?

[Disneyphile]

I'm so getting one of these, because it will save so much table space, especially with the built-in lantern hook:

Organizer (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5223224)

[Capt Jack]

I could use that in my house! neat find.

[MouseWife]

seriously? you folks will eat chorizo? many of the folks around me turn their noses up at it for one reason or another, so I dont assume when it comes to chorizo. personally, I love it

awesome.
(note to self: add 'tent air fresheners' to Wiki)

Well don't ruin it for me and tell me what it is!!! Oh, I had refused to eat it myself, up until this past April. The Hubby could smell it next door at Margaritas {we were at the Julian Hotel} and my new diet which is 'Eat Everything That is Offered To You' said give it a chance. Yummy in a burrito with potatoes and eggs!!!

Normally we put it in homemade beans, give it a bit more of a kick.

Do I know exactly what it is? No. But I am thinking it is Mexican pork sausage.

Do not tell me otherwise...I don't want to know...

Hey, I don't eat menudo....

[Disneyphile]

What Mousewife said. I don't wanna know either, because I do enjoy it, and would like to continue doing so. ;)

[Kevy Baby]

YUM!! :D

By the way, NA knows where the showers are located, which happen to be on the way to most of the hiking and scenic places, so those who want to can shower. :D (Just be sure to add quarters to your packing lists!)Oh good. I meant to ask about this. Glad to hear that there are showers. I ALWAYS have quarters in my kit.

seriously? you folks will eat chorizo? many of the folks around me turn their noses up at it for one reason or another, so I dont assume when it comes to chorizo. personally, I love it

awesome.
(note to self: add 'tent air fresheners' to Wiki)I love chorizo. Bring it on.

[Disneyphile]

Oh good. I meant to ask about this. Glad to hear that there are showers. I ALWAYS have quarters in my kit.It's perfect, because I'd love to shower after the day's adventure on the way back for dinner (less crowded in the afternoons too). That way, I can wash away all the day's summer sweat and enjoy the evening without feeling sticky. :)

And, I won't have to put out the $30 for the shower tent right now. (I'll save that for a trip without shower access.)

[Chernabog]

I hope you werent serious about the air freshener, or you'll be a nice bear lunch.

[Not Afraid]

I would suggest everyone re-visit the packing list before Friday.

I'm going to go and look at the team meal situation now. I need to know what meals I need to be prepared to make on my own. ;) God help us if we starve!

Chorizo and Eggs suits me JUST fine - as does Huevos Rancheros. I'm hungry!

[Not Afraid]

So, that list doesn't look as bad as I feared. Breakfast looks a little unplanned and everyone who is left is on their own for Sunday dinner and Monday breakfast.

Remember to bring - 1 cord of wood each and charcoal (you can buy it up there but it will be more expensive).

[Chernabog]

Remember to bring - 1 cord of wood each and charcoal (you can buy it up there but it will be more expensive).

Ummm you mean one supermarket bundle, right? :P A cord of wood is bigger than my entire car.

[Not Afraid]

fill 'er up. ;)

Yes, I mean bundle.

[Kevy Baby]

Or more specifically:

A cord is 128 cubic feet of wood stacked tightly. This is typically stacked 4’ high by 4’ wide by 8’ long (4X4X8). (FYI reference: typical full size pick-up, bed level, will hold ½ cord.)(Damn, accidentally lost the link.)

Either she meant a bundle of wood, or we are going to have one heck of a bonfire.

[€uroMeinke]

Just bring a fagot

[innerSpaceman]

Oh, I'll be there, alright.


But I'm bringing more than one bundle of wood ... and I suggest everyone else do likewise. Fires, um .... burn.


Faster than you might think.


We'll probably go through a few bundles per night.

[Kevy Baby]

I added "Grey Water Collection" to the list.
I'm not bringing a razor (well, actually, there is one in my kit, but I ain't using it).
What the heck does one need a moleskin for?!?
I wonder if Erik will see that I named his team? :evil: (modified for clarification)

[Kevy Baby]

Just bring a fagotWhy would I want a British pork meatball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_%28food%29)?

[Alex]

I know it was mentioned above but before trekking a metric buttload of wood out there you might want to confirm the fire rules in effect this week. When I was at Yosemite over Memorial Day I was talking to a ranger who said that this summer is expected to be really bad firewise and they would likely be implementing even stricter fire regulations than usual (at Yosemite fires are only allowed from 5 p.m. to 10 p.m.). I don't know what they do at King's Canyon but the conditions are probably worse there.

You may not be allowed to burn big fires that would go through more than two bundles a night.

[innerSpaceman]

So ... how does one find out in advance what fire regulations might be in effect next weekend?

[Not Afraid]

Also, remember that there is a $20 entrance fee (for a 7 day pass) to get into Sequoia/Kings Canyon NPs.

7-day pass for Sequoia, Kings Canyon, and the Hume Lake District of Sequoia National Forest (Giant Sequoia National Monument): $20 per vehicle or $10 per person on foot, bicycle, motorcycle, or bus.

Annual pass for Sequoia, Kings Canyon, and the Hume Lake District of Sequoia National Forest (Giant Sequoia National Monument): $30 admits all passengers in a private vehicle for one year from month of purchase.


If you plan on visiting several National Parks or Recreation areas throughout the year, you may want to invest in an Annual Pass:

Information on the new America the Beautiful - Annual Pass:
Link to the Pass Frequently Asked Questions: http://store.usgs.gov/pass/general.html
Link for recreational information for all Federal agencies: http://recreation.gov (http://recreation.gov/)
Annual Pass - America the Beautiful- National Parks and Federal Recreational Lands - Cost $80 This pass is available to the general public and provides access to, and use of all Federal recreation sites that charge an Entrance or Standard Amenity Fee for a year, beginning from the date of sale. The pass admits the pass holder/s and passengers in a non-commercial vehicle at per vehicle fee areas and pass holder + 3 adults, not to exceed 4 adults, at per person fee areas. (children under 16 are admitted free) The pass can be obtained in person at the park, by calling 1-888-ASK USGS, Ext. 1, or via the Internet at http://store.usgs.gov/pass

[Not Afraid]

So ... how does one find out in advance what fire regulations might be in effect next weekend?

I'm trying to find if there is any info on the web site. I haven't seen anything yet, but things may change quickly because of the Tahoe fire.

[Kevy Baby]

Also, remember that there is a $20 entrance fee (for a 7 day pass) to get into Sequoia/Kings Canyon NPs.Is there a way to get the pass in advance (online?)?

[Not Afraid]

Check the FAQ link in my above post.

[Disneyphile]

I'm thinking about getting the AP for $80. I've been wanting to take more little weekend day trips with my honey, and that would save us a bundle over the next year.

[Kevy Baby]

Check the FAQ link in my above post.I didn't see anything about buying the $20 pass in the FAQ's (even after re-reading just now). Am I missing something?

I am not looking to buy the ANNUAL pass, just the 7-day one in advance.

[innerSpaceman]

Hmmm, my NP AP was $50 when I purchased it in January at Joshua Tree.

Between that trip, my Grand Canyon adventure, this coming weekend, and a return to Joshua Tree sometime next fall that I hope to talk many people into attending ... my national park admission fee will be $12.50 per.


Not quite Disneyland, but it ain't too bad. ;)

[Not Afraid]

WEATHER INFORMATION:

This is the forecast for Lodgepole which is close to Dorst but 100 feet lower in elevation.

Friday...Sunny. High 63. .
Friday Night...Clear. Low 45. .
Saturday...Sunny. High 62. .
Saturday Night...Clear. Low 45.
Sunday...Sunny. High 62. .
Sunday Night...Clear. Low 49. .
Monday...Sunny. High 62.

If I knew the Lat and Lon for Dorst, I could be more precise. (http://ifps.wrh.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/dwf?duration=168hr&interval=6&citylist=Select+City%2C%2Cnone&latitude=&longitude=&outFormat=Zoom&ZOOMLEVEL=4&XSTART=170&YSTART=224&XC=218&YC=272&X=218&Y=272&siteID=HNX&click.x=242&click.y=365)

[Not Afraid]

I didn't see anything about buying the $20 pass in the FAQ's (even after re-reading just now). Am I missing something?

I am not looking to buy the ANNUAL pass, just the 7-day one in advance.

I don't think so - or at least there is nothing about it on the web site. (http://www.nps.gov/seki/planyourvisit/feesandreservations.htm)

[Kevy Baby]

If I knew the Lat and Lon for Dorst, I could be more precise. (http://ifps.wrh.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/dwf?duration=168hr&interval=6&citylist=Select+City%2C%2Cnone&latitude=&longitude=&outFormat=Zoom&ZOOMLEVEL=4&XSTART=170&YSTART=224&XC=218&YC=272&X=218&Y=272&siteID=HNX&click.x=242&click.y=365)36.6361111111 Latitude
-118.809722222 Longitude

Surprisingly different forecast:

Friday...Sunny. High 77 Friday Night...Clear. Low 47
Saturday...Sunny. High 77
Saturday Night...Clear. Low 47
Sunday...Sunny. High 79
Sunday Night...Clear. Low 51
Monday...Sunny. High 79

[Not Afraid]

The average is 51-76.

[Not Afraid]

Here's a link to a PDF park map. (http://www.nps.gov/seki/parknews/upload/Page%2012-5.pdf)

[Kevy Baby]

Here's a link to a PDF park map. (http://www.nps.gov/seki/parknews/upload/Page%2012-5.pdf)Somebody needs to tell the Department of Interior that there hasn't been a "Third Class Mail" designation since 1996.

[Capt Jack]

I hope you werent serious about the air freshener, or you'll be a nice bear lunch.

no...I wont be doing that. Im even bringing unscented soap.




What the heck does one need a moleskin for?!?



for your feet bud. not sure how much youre used to walking, but I swear by it as I have pansy little city dweller feet :blush:

and ditto for the razor. but as slow as my beard grows, I doubt anyone will notice. (its a Jap thing) :D



I was also implored to remind one and all of us flatlanders that we should all keep in mind the thin air at elevation (approx 6800 ft (http://www.recreation.gov/ca/Dorst_Creek/Campground/r/campgroundDetails.do?agency=NRSO&parkId=70940)). its way easy to overdo very quickly until youre used to it.

so, with that, I did.

[lashbear]

Just so you know,

Chorizo is made from Skunk Bladders.

:p

...That'll teach 'em to go camping without me.....

[MouseWife]

Just so you know,

Chorizo is made from Skunk Bladders.

:p

...That'll teach 'em to go camping without me.....

Hey! I'm not going camping!!! I just can't keep my fingers outta this thread....


{and it only smells like skunk after it's been eaten and processed....:evil: }

[Not Afraid]

Another reminder.

The water at the campsite is not potable, so bring one or two large (2 gallon?) supply.

[Capt Jack]

The water at the campsite is not potable

does that mean 'dont use it in your bong?'

:p

[katiesue]

Do I know exactly what it is? No. But I am thinking it is Mexican pork sausage.



I always thought it was Basque. At least at our county fair it was always the Basque association that made and sold it.

[Not Afraid]

I HAD to have a Chorizo and Egg burrito last night and it's not my fault.

[MouseWife]

Oh, I don't know. I just thought that a lot of Mexican families eat that instead of the typical sausages.

Is it the same flavoring? Actually someone was trying to hook me up with the best chorizo ever, best quality meat...but it wasn't a store...I was a bit leary. Albiet a lot tempted. :D

[katiesue]

The ones we had at the fair were made in someone's garage. But they are good.

[Capt Jack]

I HAD to have a Chorizo and Egg burrito last night and it's not my fault.

youre welcome :D

[Not Afraid]

I still have those melamine plates for CJ and ISM. There are 12 total. I'll just bring them camping.

[Kevy Baby]

Chorizo is made from Skunk Bladders.From the handy-dandy Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorizo)

Chorizo (IPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA): [tʃo'riθo] or [tʃoɹ'ɪso]) is a term encompassing several types of pork (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork) sausage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sausage) originating from the Iberian Peninsula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_Peninsula) and known as chouriço (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chouri%C3%A7o) in Portugal, which have in common the use of dried, smoked red peppers (pimentón/pimentão) to colour them red. It can either be a fresh sausage, in which case it must be cooked, but in Europe it is more frequently a fermented cured sausage, in which case it is usually sliced and eaten without cooking. Spanish chorizo gets its distinctive smokiness and deep red color from pimentón, smoked Spanish paprika (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paprika). Chorizo can be eaten as is (sliced or in a sandwich), simmered in sidra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cider#Spain) (apple cider), barbecued (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbecue) or fried. Like breakfast sausage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakfast_sausage), it is used as an ingredient of other dishes. It also can be used as a partial replacement for ground beef (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beef) or pork.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorizo#_note-0)North America and Caribbean

Better known in the United States (and seldom encountered in Europe) are the Mexican (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico) and Caribbean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean) versions. Based on the uncooked Spanish chorizo fresco, these versions are made from fatty pork (however, beef (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beef), venison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venison) and even kosher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosher) versions are known) that is ground rather than chopped and different seasonings are used in addition to chile. Most Mexican chorizo is a deep reddish color, but green chorizo is also made, being popular in the vicinity of Toluca (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca), Mexico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico). In some supermarkets in the southwestern US, chorizo is sold packaged loosely ground, having an appearance much like ground beef, except for the color, which is closer to orange than pink.

In the US, chorizo is generally known as a food for breakfast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakfast), although Mexican restaurants in both the US and Mexico make tacos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taco), burritos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burrito), and tortas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torta) with cooked chorizo. Chorizo con huevos is a popular breakfast dish in Mexico and areas of Mexican immigration in the United States. It is made by simply putting pieces of chorizo into scrambled eggs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrambled_eggs) as soon as you start cooking them, and mashing the pieces of chorizo with a fork, so the two ingredients blend together during cooking. Or the chorizo may be briefly fried before the eggs are added, as the fat in the skillet will prevent the eggs from sticking. Chorizo con huevos is often used in making breakfast burritos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burritos) or taquitos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taquitos). In Mexico, Chorizo is also used to make the popular appetizer chorizo con queso, which is small pieces of chorizo served in or on melted cheese, and eaten with tortilla.

Tapas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapas) bars that serve Spanish style chorizo have appeared in some US cities.

[MouseWife]

I HAD to have a Chorizo and Egg burrito last night and it's not my fault.


LOL I missed your post earlier....

I almost had one for dinner, too!!! But, I limit myself to one per week. We pick one up at this former Pioneer Chicken turned some type of 'bertos' taco stand by the swapmeet and then head over to the beach to eat it.

Did you make it yourself or buy it? I've never made one. {but that applies to quite a lot of things....}

Oh, I just saw your post, KB. It also is delicious in beans, I tell ya!! Make a pot of beans and add chorizo, onions...mmm mmm.

And, they also have Vegan chorizo...at Wal-Mart. At least this is the only place we've found it.

[Ponine]

And, they also have Vegan chorizo...at Wal-Mart. At least this is the only place we've found it.
Trader Joes..... ;)

[Capt Jack]

I still have those melamine plates for CJ and ISM. There are 12 total. I'll just bring them camping.

oh wow. I forgot all about those. I only really wanted the one setting for the camping trip. ism, you can have the whole set if I can borrow one for camp swank. I promise I'll bring it back dirty and scratched to $)(*&

:)

[innerSpaceman]

I don't know what she's talking about.




Of course, my memory only goes back about a month.