Guitar Malfunction

[BarTopDancer]

Maybe if they (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070207/ap_en_ce/prince_super_bowl;_ylt=AuB5BCOsqDbKa_s0ERNu49hxFb8 C) were getting some they wouldn't see obscene in everything.

In the sensitive post-wardrobe malfunction world, some are questioning whether a guitar was just a guitar during Prince's Super Bowl halftime show.

[Snowflake]

I find the arbiters of all things moral or immoral to be a real pain in the ass.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Oh, no, Prince DEFINITELY "stroked" his guitar during the giant shadow sequence. Definitely. He's Prince, that's what he does. Everyone we were watching it with saw it, we rewound it watched again. No doubt about it. (I'm trying to find the moment on YouTube).

ETA: Found it. It's at about 4:28 into this video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=-5PsQ2XArO0) that he strokes it. Then at about 4:39 he does a kinda suggestive thrust.

[3894]

He's Prince, that's what he does.

Exactly. If they want Mandy Moore, that's who they should hire. You hire Prince, you get Prince.

[Snowflake]

Oh, no, Prince DEFINITELY "stroked" his guitar during the giant shadow sequence. Definitely. He's Prince, that's what he does. Everyone we were watching it with saw it, we rewound it watched again. No doubt about it. (I'm trying to find the moment on YouTube).


Hey GD, I agree with you, it is what Prince does. This is a performance, a show. My complaint is, whoever the arbiters of morality may be, they really need to get a life. Honestly, they complain about this on a half time show, what about the rest of the garbage on television the other 364 days a year?
Sheesh, it's tv guys, get over it (not you, just the morally constipated).

[Ghoulish Delight]

That's a fact.

[Gemini Cricket]

Back in the day, Prince used to use the tip of his guitar neck (no idea what it's really called) to spray the audience with water when he stroked his guitar. That's Prince.
:)

[Capt Jack]

geez, Im not even a prince fan and I thought he kicked ass! sure...I thought the same with the shadow dance bit, but....geebus. people really need to get over at least some of their hangups. 99.9% of people on the planet are born with a part or two that distinguish them as male or female. you would think after a few million years of evolution, they would have adjusted to seeing them (or at least the imagery) on occasion.

who's runnin this f'd up planet anyway? :rolleyes:

[JWBear]

geez, Im not even a prince fan and I thought he kicked ass! sure...I thought the same with the shadow dance bit, but....geebus. people really need to get over at least some of their hangups. 99.9% of people on the planet are born with a part or two that distinguish them as male or female. you would think after a few million years of evolution, they would have adjusted to seeing them (or at least the imagery) on occasion.

who's runnin this f'd up planet anyway? :rolleyes:

White mice.

[Not Afraid]

If people want to be sexually stunted that's their choice, but I like sex and all things sexual. It's one of the better parts of life. The "sex is bad" morality police really screw up something that should be normal, natural and fun.

[tracilicious]

I wonder if this means that he left the JW's. In researching that, I found that Eisenhower was raised a JW.

[Alex]

Honestly, they complain about this on a half time show, what about the rest of the garbage on television the other 364 days a year?


I'm pretty sure they spend the rest of the year complaining about it too.

That said, in the interests of discussion, is there a line where "it's just television" is no longer a defense? Presumably most would agree that if he'd taken out his actual dangly bits, projected it up to 30-feet in lenth on a curtain and then stroked it, that would be out of bounds (I still wouldn't be upset for myself but at that point I'd start to get upset on behalf of others, something I really try to avoid doing).

So, at what point would it be going too far? And if your line comes before someone else's, are they correct to call you sexually stunted?

[JWBear]

I wonder if this means that he left the JW's. In researching that, I found that Eisenhower was raised a JW.

Who left me... What? Eisenhower? I never met him!

[bewitched]

Prince is sexy.


That is all.

[tracilicious]

I find Prince to be very androgynous.

[€uroMeinke]

Hence the need for the guitar...

[Strangler Lewis]

If people want to be sexually stunted that's their choice, but I like sex and all things sexual. It's one of the better parts of life. The "sex is bad" morality police really screw up something that should be normal, natural and fun.

Sex is good, but, by general consensus, we don't have it in the middle of the street, which is where Prince did his thing. I didn't watch the halftime show, but I was watching the game with my daughter when that stupid guys-stripping-to-wash-the-Chevy commercial came on. While I don't believe the atmosphere around sporting events needs to be completely sanitized for the wife and kids, it still seems to me that somewhere along the line, the Super Bowl started to link sex, violence, celebrity and money a little too explicitly for my taste.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Sex is good, but, by general consensus, we don't have it in the middle of the street, which is where Prince did his thing. I didn't watch the halftime show, but I was watching the game with my daughter when that stupid guys-stripping-to-wash-the-Chevy commercial came on. While I don't believe the atmosphere around sporting events needs to be completely sanitized for the wife and kids, it still seems to me that somewhere along the line, the Super Bowl started to link sex, violence, celebrity and money a little too explicitly for my taste.The guys-stripping commercial was supposed to be funny, not sexy. I cracked up at that. As for Prince "doing his thing in the middle of the street", if you think touching a silhouetted guitar should be kept to the bedroom, all I have to say is :confused:

Sex, violence, celebrity and money are fun, in moderation. If someone decides to have irresponsible sex, hurt someone, drop their own convictions in order to be famous and rich - then that person is an idiot and deserves what they get, regardless of where they heard about these things.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Prince is sexy.


That is all.Agreed. Traci - I find his sexual duality more titillating than androgenous.

[Alex]

I find him way to small to be sexy. There's a certain Japanese word that comes to mind every time I see him.

[Not Afraid]

Kawaii? ;)

[Alex]

That is correct, sir.

[Not Afraid]

Sir......I HAS been a while since you've seen me, eh?

[DreadPirateRoberts]

Kawaii? ;)

I learn something new every day. Thanks.

[Capt Jack]

how embarassing that I have to ask, being of japanese decent and all, but..

Kawaii:confused:

[Not Afraid]

Kawaii = cute. But you have to say it in a high voice and extend the i so it's more like kawaiiiiiiiiiii

[Alex]

And, as a 6-foot-tall dirty gaijin fat American male, if I stand in the middle of a Japanese department store and say it somewhat loudly, it will completely mortify Lani (and I suppose the fact that I was willing to do that explains why she won't tell me how to say monkeybutt in Japanese, requiring me to instead say "monkey, but" since I know those words on my own).

[Strangler Lewis]

The guys-stripping commercial was supposed to be funny, not sexy. I cracked up at that. As for Prince "doing his thing in the middle of the street", if you think touching a silhouetted guitar should be kept to the bedroom, all I have to say is :confused:



It wasn't like some goofy European commercial where someone is caught naked and made to look silly. Like the Terrell Owens/Desperate Housewives bit and Austin Powers' shadowplay, the commercial used sexual motifs towards supposedly humorous ends. Every parent has to tell their daughter when they reach a certain age that, no, you can't change your clothes in public. Now I don't know if my daughter appreciated the sexual motifs in the Chevy commercial, but she was shocked and asked what they were doing. It wasn't the end of the world. I said something like, "I don't know, it's a commercial, they're just being silly," and we moved on.

I'm not sure what you mean by your comment about the guitar. Prince was simulating masturbation in public. If a manager did that at work, he'd be fired or the company would be sued. If a teacher did it, he'd probably be arrested. If a student did it, he'd be counseled or suspended. If, as recent history indicates, the NFL is going to deliver a sex show at halftime, it should make that point more explicit with appropriate warnings.

[DreadPirateRoberts]

how embarassing that I have to ask, being of japanese decent and all, but..

Kawaii:confused:

I had to look it up too (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawaii).

[Capt Jack]

requiring me to instead say "monkey, but" since I know those words on my own).

I do believe 'butt' is "O-shee-dee" or "O-shee-tee"...my moms accent was pretty thick so I never really got the exact pronunciation, but definitely got the gist


dah mae, baka...neh? :D

[JWBear]

And, as a 6-foot-tall dirty gaijin fat American male, if I stand in the middle of a Japanese department store and say it somewhat loudly, it will completely mortify Lani (and I suppose the fact that I was willing to do that explains why she won't tell me how to say monkeybutt in Japanese, requiring me to instead say "monkey, but" since I know those words on my own).

I don't think I want to know why you'd want to do this......

[Alex]

Monkeybutt is just a word I say randomly. Don't know why. It just appeals (and therefore it was funny when some character said it randomly on an episode of Scrubs).

But, even though I don't say it right, I've grown fond of saying it "monkey, but" in Japanese so that I know what I mean and no stray Japanese people around are possibly offended (though they still think I'm retarded most likely).

[Ghoulish Delight]

As for whether what Prince did should be considered appropriate for TV, or should require some sort of "Turn your children away" disclaimer...I don't know. It's a never-ending debate with no clear dividing line. My view of it oscillates constantly.

But what I do know is that I find it ridiculous that, while the Prince "thing" is getting covered, it's NOT generating the outrage that the boob did, and that belies to me a seriously screwed up double standard. What a wonderful message. Simply seeing a part of the human female anatomy for a second, with nothing else to intimate a sexual context is the height of debauchery and lead to one of the largest fines the FCC has ever levied, but a 60 foot silhouetted simulation of male masturbation is just kinda debatable.

Like I said, I don't claim to have an answer as to whether it should be controlled, regulated, disclaimered, censored, etc. But damnit I wish people would get their priorities straight and stop this nonsense of declaring the human body (and more specifically the female body) as de facto pervesrion.

[Strangler Lewis]

As for whether what Prince did should be considered appropriate for TV, or should require some sort of "Turn your children away" disclaimer...I don't know. It's a never-ending debate with no clear dividing line. My view of it oscillates constantly.

But what I do know is that I find it ridiculous that, while the Prince "thing" is getting covered, it's NOT generating the outrage that the boob did, and that belies to me a seriously screwed up double standard. What a wonderful message. Simply seeing a part of the human female anatomy for a second, with nothing else to intimate a sexual context is the height of debauchery and lead to one of the largest fines the FCC has ever levied, but a 60 foot silhouetted simulation of male masturbation is just kinda debatable.

Like I said, I don't claim to have an answer as to whether it should be controlled, regulated, disclaimered, censored, etc. But damnit I wish people would get their priorities straight and stop this nonsense of declaring the human body (and more specifically the female body) as de facto pervesrion.

I agree that there's no meaningful difference between the two acts, but there certainly was a sexual context to the breast. They did a sexy duet, he ripped part of her clothes off, and she was wearing that strange nipple dart.

Most fines don't deter. When Randy Moss was fined $10K for fake mooning the Green Bay fans, he said, "What's ten thousand to me. Next time I'll shake my d*ck at them." Vince McMahon regularly gets fined by cities where bloodletting is not allowed in wrestling matches. He puts on the show he wants for his loyal audience, pays his fine and heads to the next city to do it again. I doubt the FCC could/would fine a network or the NFL enough to prevent future "malfunctions."

[Alex]

I'm of the opinion that the FCC should have thanked Janet Jackson for teaching our young women that you can do more with your nipples than simply have them.

[Kevy Baby]

Or what NOT to do with them.

Depending on you POV.

[Alex]

Nothing wrong with a pierced nipple. She didn't show what you should do, but what you could do.

Piercing a nipple doesn't seem any odder than piercing an ear (though it is potentially more rewarding depending on your preferences).

[bewitched]

I just don't think that a vast majority of little kids see a performer playing a guitar behind a screen as masterbatory (no matter how provocative the performer's movements seem to be to adults). And while obviously, little kids masterbate, it's not commonly sexual in nature.

If a kid does view it as provacative or sexual, it is because (s)he already has context from elsewhere, probably from their anal retentive parents who made a big freakin' deal out of it instead of just allowing it to be a performance.

People need to get over it.



And Alex, he is short, he's also skinny...but for some reason he exudes sexy.

[tracilicious]

Piercing a nipple doesn't seem any odder than piercing an ear (though it is potentially more rewarding depending on your preferences).


With one crucial difference. Keep a barbell in your ear when you're camping in the cold and you're fine. Keep a barbell in your nipple when you're camping in the cold and it's seriously painful.