Next Pirates Premier at DL - May 19th [Archive]

innerSpaceman

02-07-2007, 10:35 PM

I didn't mind last year's as much as I'd thought (not the actual day, mind you ... I avoid that mobscene like bubonic scurvy, but the whole bleachers thing and cattle path everywhere thing). I guess it was semi-interesting .... ONCE.

And in large part it was because I was also cutting the sequel some pre-release slack, I put up with the hassle that took over the Park for a few days.

But no more. The second movie sucked ... and we all know how pleased I was that Pirates of the Caribbean (The Ride TM) was overhauled to match the film franchise it inspired.

I'm disappointed they didn't opt for Long Beach and the cruise line tie-in. I don't find the Pirates premieres welcome at Disneyland anymore.

DreadPirateRoberts

02-07-2007, 10:49 PM

Geek Quest anyone?

I've always wanted to do that.

Cadaverous Pallor

02-08-2007, 08:31 AM

PIRATES II SUCKED F'D UP THE RIDE SCREW THIS BULLSH1T

Kevy Baby

02-08-2007, 08:36 AM

Decaf CP... Decaf

DreadPirateRoberts

02-08-2007, 08:55 AM

PIRATES II SUCKED F'D UP THE RIDE SCREW THIS BULLSH1T

Don't sugar coat it. Tell us how you really feel.

MickeyLumbo

02-08-2007, 09:07 AM

i think i'll be there. sounds like fun. even the verbal assaults i took last year weren't that bad -

Guest: "F-YOU!

Me: " Thank you, this area is closed. continue through Fronteirland around Big Thunder Trail and you will make your way to Main Street to exit."

Guest: "F- You, Mother F'er!"

Me: "Thank you, Please stay to your right and have a nice day."

maybe the cranky bitches will stay away this time.

imagine if all the CM's could run to City Hall and complain about all the cranky miserable disrespectful whiney ahole Guests. LOL

nope. this is disney and we must take it with a smile.

innerSpaceman

02-08-2007, 09:42 AM

Heheh, a CM gave me (and Laurie) a readmit pass last weekend simply because I had said "please" to her when requesting the back row of Big Thunder. She said I was the only person with any manners that whole day, and that she had endured a day of complete guest nastiness.

(We were very happy, because otherwise our entire plan for the night of riding Rocket Mountain would have come to naught).

But guest nastiness aside .... it's non-caffeinated BullSh!t that Disney keeps the Park open under such guest-unfriendly conditions. They should have the cajones to suck up the losses and close the Park for those few days. It's not habitable.

katiesue

02-08-2007, 10:19 AM

We did the last one (well I did the first one too). It was just a complete nightmare toward the end. Madz got squarshed up on the railing from all the people behind pushing. Lots and lots of very un-disney like behaviour from guests. Bleh.

She so wants to go again, I so don't. So no one tell her when it is and maybe we can pretend like it never happened. Shhhhhhhh

We did find an awesome photo of her getting Johnny's autograph from Getty Images. She's been the envey of all her friends, and Orlando touched her finger.

Snowflake

02-08-2007, 11:17 AM

I'd go just so I could be told where to go by MickeyLumbo (learning to point correctly), but having just tried to watch POTC II, I have no desire to see the third installment of the movie franchise.

But, I'd walk a mile to see MickeyLumbo.

Kevy Baby

02-08-2007, 12:58 PM

But guest nastiness aside .... it's non-caffeinated BullSh!t that Disney keeps the Park open under such guest-unfriendly conditions. They should have the cajones to suck up the losses and close the Park for those few days. It's not habitable.I don't think the issue is one of greed on Disney's part as it is expectations on guest's part. I believe the guest fallout for closing the park for a day would be much greater than the conditions under which they leave it open.

Isaac

02-08-2007, 01:58 PM

PIRATES II SUCKED F'D UP THE RIDE SCREW THIS BULLSH1T
I disagree. I think the ride getting messed up was more to do with the success of the first film. Had the first film bombed Disney would not have considered putting movie tie-ins into the attraction. Remember 'The Haunted Mansion' ? Jennifer Tilly said in an interview just before the film's release that Disney was planning to use her image in the Crystal Ball & replace Leota. Thank goodness that film bombed!

What ticks me off about the changes to Pirates is the lack of them. If Disney wanted to retheme the ride to the movie & do it properly they shouldn't have kept so many original scenes and Marc Davis pirate characters. The art style of the ride does not match up with the art style of the films. I'd prefer they just change the whole thing rather than half ass it.

To further piss people off, in order to add the additional changes before the premiere of the 3rd film, Pirates Of The Caribbean will be closed for refurbishment on the day of it's 40th anniversary. How ****ing lame is that ?

I hope the pirate craze dies immediately after the 3rd film & the attraction is restored to it's original condition in the years to come.

Not Afraid

02-08-2007, 03:49 PM

I hope the pirate craze dies immediately after the 3rd film & the attraction is restored to it's original condition in the years to come.

Don't hold your breath. I doubt there will and end to this madness - and a restoration of the attraction - anytime soon. Pirates, as we knew it, it gone for good.

DreadPirateRoberts

02-08-2007, 03:57 PM

Don't hold your breath. I doubt there will and end to this madness - and a restoration of the attraction - anytime soon. Pirates, as we knew it, it gone for good.

We'll always have the 10th anniversary show.

Not Afraid

02-08-2007, 04:02 PM

"They'll go UP a waterfall?"

DreadPirateRoberts

02-08-2007, 04:21 PM

"They'll go UP a waterfall?"

Julie Reihm was hot ;)

JWBear

02-08-2007, 04:26 PM

POTC is dead to me.

Kevy Baby

02-08-2007, 05:02 PM

I like most of what they did with POTC. I'm of the ilk who belives that Disneyland is not a museum.

Flame away.

Ghoulish Delight

02-08-2007, 05:05 PM

I like most of what they did with POTC. I'm of the ilk who belives that Disneyland is not a museum.

Flame away.We've been through this. None of us are anti-change. Most of us are anti-halfass change. Either do it right or don't do it at all.

Alex

02-08-2007, 05:09 PM

I don't really see it as half-assed, either (thought that's subjective). My only complaint was that the Depp animatronics should be a bit more cartoonish to match the style of the other pirates, but I'm fine with the amount of integration and change.

I don't feel it was ruined, nor particularly augmented. Just different.

JWBear

02-08-2007, 05:50 PM

I like most of what they did with POTC. I'm of the ilk who belives that Disneyland is not a museum.

Flame away.

I don’t want it to be a museum either, but neither will I not remain quiet as the heart, soul, and magic of the place is torn away bit by bit. POTC told a story. That story has now been scrambled by the arbitrary inclusion of references and characters from movies that were only loosely based on the ride. The unified whole that the original designers worked so hard to create has been destroyed. It’s like sticking a High Victorian turret on a Frank Lloyd Wright’s Fallingwater.

I never understood the ideology that all change must be embraced. Not all change is for the good, and that which is not should be resisted vigorously.

Cadaverous Pallor

02-08-2007, 09:25 PM

If the changes aren't taken out of the ride a full year after the third movie comes out on DVD, I'm going to start a full-scale complaint assault to get them removed. Call the papers, march on City Hall (every time I visit), emails, phone calls, letters.

I mean it. Who's with me?

innerSpaceman

02-08-2007, 09:37 PM

I am.

The entire piece of resistance has been gutted and ruined. The creepy tunnel of ghostly pirate voices that blossoms magically onto a an impossbily indoor scene of an outdoor, nighttime pirate ship battle. (One that's really happening, as opposed to one with recognizable motion picture score blarring. One with a classic pirate captain who became one of Disneyland's most famous creations, as opposed to one with a mocking wax museum robot of a movie star).

Not all change is for the good, and that which is not should be resisted vigorously.

Aaaaaarrrrrh!

Alex

02-08-2007, 09:39 PM

I refuse to go back until there is once again a ball pit in Toontown.

(Actually, it is weird to think that I am actually coming up on 4 months since the last time I was inside a Disney park.)

MickeyLumbo

02-08-2007, 10:03 PM

Not Afraid

02-08-2007, 10:09 PM

I'd personally vote for Adventures through Inner Space, Carousel of Progress, Rocket Jets - hell, all of Tomorrowland 1967.

MickeyLumbo

02-08-2007, 10:14 PM

But, I'd walk a mile to see MickeyLumbo.

:blush: I'll see what i can do about getting you Express Boarding on the Speed Ramp*. oh, and please stay to the right. thank you!

*hmmmph, seem to be having a bit o' trouble finding a speed ramp:(

JWBear

02-08-2007, 10:19 PM

I'm not saying Disneyland should never change. I'm saying that when changes are made it should be for the better. If something good is removed, replace it with something better.

DreadPirateRoberts

02-08-2007, 10:21 PM

I'd personally vote for Adventures through Inner Space, Carousel of Progress, Rocket Jets - hell, all of Tomorrowland 1967.

There's a Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow

I wonder how many of things we miss were really good, and how many are just nostalgic. Maybe my kids will be saying the same things about attractions in DCA (except maybe superstar limo).

€uroMeinke

02-08-2007, 10:21 PM

Heh - we just got our new APs - let's all ride Pirates and complain about it in the bar of the Grand Cal

Not Afraid

02-08-2007, 10:23 PM

Yes, we're legal again.

innerSpaceman

02-08-2007, 10:24 PM

hmmmph, seem to be having a bit o' trouble finding a speed ramp:(
I've always wondered why, while they never could get them working right in Tomorrowland (and have now replaced them all with oh-so-futuristic stairs) ... there was rarely a problem with the one in Haunted Mansion, operating constantly since 1969.

Bornieo: Fully Loaded

02-08-2007, 10:24 PM

I want Midget Autopia back!! If for nothing else - great photo ops. ;)

innerSpaceman

02-08-2007, 10:26 PM

Which reminds me. Floating Madame Leota ball? Absofrellingbrilliant change.

So don't give me any crap about museum this and progress-resistant that.

Pirates sucks now, and there are those who disagree. Those with no taste.

Alex

02-08-2007, 10:27 PM

Go to Marceline and you can walk the midget autopia track there.

Ghoulish Delight

02-08-2007, 10:31 PM

€uroMeinke

02-08-2007, 10:40 PM

I want Midget Autopia back!! If for nothing else - great photo ops. ;)

Sponsered by Mini Cooper

MickeyLumbo

02-09-2007, 09:21 AM

I've always wondered why, while they never could get them working right in Tomorrowland (and have now replaced them all with oh-so-futuristic stairs) ... there was rarely a problem with the one in Haunted Mansion, operating constantly since 1969.

i'm not certain, but wonder if constant exposure to weather and the elements had something to do with it. on occasion, mansion's ramp was down... and the indoor Space speedramp was always down. so, on second thought, maybe weather had nothing to do with it. perhaps people would get hurt/trip/fall and CM's would simply stop them, or, hooligans discovered the e-stop button and would do it.

hmm, and here i thought i had an answer when i started this post. LOL

but, off topic, i'm all a twitterpated --i'm going on a Matterhorn walkthough -- or is it an expedition?

innerSpaceman

02-09-2007, 09:55 AM

Be careful of the "Wells Effect"

Snowflake

02-09-2007, 10:33 AM

Be careful of the "Wells Effect"

<snort>

Not Afraid

02-09-2007, 10:43 AM

If you're going to do a Matterhorn walk-thru, will you just sneak a look at the Well Expedition box and take a snap of the red longjohns inside?

RStar

02-10-2007, 12:07 PM

How do you get to do the walk through?

MickeyLumbo

02-10-2007, 12:14 PM

part reward from my manager - part YOAMD:D "backstage dreams"

CoasterMatt

02-10-2007, 12:39 PM

If you load a speedramp very unevenly, it will shut down and have to be reset - Speedramps are meant for people to load evenly, and continously. Space's inside ramp had the problem of surges of people hitting, not the continuous flow of people that hit Mansion's.

innerSpaceman

02-10-2007, 01:17 PM

Ah, thanks for that very lucid explanation of the difference and likely cause of the problem.

I remain ever greatful for the Matterhorn 101 I experienced decades ago, with it's own wonderful backstage walking descent tour that was everything this Disneyland geek could have hoped for. :snap:

Gn2Dlnd

02-10-2007, 05:18 PM

i refuse to go back until there is a parking lot up against the Main Gate ticket booths, Rocket Jets above a working People Mover, Circle Vision, Keel Boats, Kids of the Kingdom and no Annual Passes.

You talk so purty.

But, really, put the music back the way it was, lose the music in the battle sequence, get rid of Davy Jones, add a couple of pirates swordfighting on the rocks as you exit the tunnel, lose the second two Deppamatronics, restore the altered dialogue, restore the Captain of the Wicked Wench, and the ride will be perfect again.

The ride really was perfect. Why on Earth was there a need to go beyond plussing to actual alteration?

There will be a day when I am King of Disneyland and many wrongs will be righted. I just hope I'm not so incredibly ancient that I can't enjoy it.

RStar

02-10-2007, 11:51 PM

I remain ever greatful for the Matterhorn 101 I experienced decades ago, with it's own wonderful backstage walking descent tour that was everything this Disneyland geek could have hoped for. :snap:
Me too! I loved the old greasy dirty elevator (before they replaced it)! Fortunatly I had my camera with me and got a few pictures! :D

innerSpaceman

02-11-2007, 12:39 AM

Hehehe, we stopped just before that one great ledge where you see small world and Fantasyland all below you. It was gorgeous at night being stuck there.

Eventually they let us out of the bobsleds. That was a mistake.

CM: "Excuse me, um, excuse me, sir, you can't go out there.

Me, perched on the edge of the hundred foot drop snapping photos: "Que?"

None of the photos ever came out, but it was awesome to stand on the edge of that Matterhorn cliff at night.