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Not Afraid
02-21-2007, 05:24 PM
Fighting back. (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7532224)


Fed Up: Man Sues Telemarketers, and Wins

by Jim Zarroli

All Things Considered, February 21, 2007 · A few years ago, the federal government started the Do Not Call Registry, allowing home phone owners to bar telemarketers from calling. While the list is considered a success, many telemarketing calls still slip through.

That led a man in Sacramento, Calif., to develop a new strategy for fighting back: Take the most persistent callers to small claims court. He has already received about $6,100 in damages from the telemarketers — and set up a Web site to teach others how to do it as well.

For Andre-Tascha Lamme, the last straw came a few months ago. Over the summer he began getting phone calls from mortgage companies — as many as 15 a week. The calls started coming, he says because the rate on his mortgage was about to go up. And someone had passed on his name to dozens of small refinancing companies.

"So what they do is, they call and call and they don't take no for an answer," Lamme says. "I would specifically tell them, 'Please don't call again, I'm not interested in refinancing my mortgage,' and regardless, I'd get a call two days later saying, 'Hey I worked some numbers for your area and I really think that you might be interested.'"

Lamme, a 38-year-old computer consultant who lives in Sacramento, had placed his name on the National Do Not Call Registry and he knew that telemarketers weren't supposed to call him.

But he also knew that under a little known provision of the 1991 federal Telephone Consumer Protection Act he could sue persistent telemarketers in small claims court and actually receive damages for each call.

And so that's what he began doing. He says the companies didn't like it.

So far Lamme has sued four companies, and he has received about $6,100.

"One suit," Lamme says, "they had so many violations that it was a $4,500 amount, and their reaction was, 'Just because you received a few phone calls you didn't want, I'm supposed to pay you money?'"

Jack Gillis of the Consumer Federation of America points out that going to small claims court is time-consuming. And he says not that many people want to do it. So he doesn't think that Lamme's strategy will really deter many telemarketers from making unwanted calls.

But Gillis says the site is a good way for consumers to vent their rage.

"It requires a lot of effort," Gillis says, "but it will pay off in terms of sending a signal to those folks who are violating the Do Not Call list, that there are at least some consumers willing to take action."

Lamme adds that he's simply trying to give people the tools to fight back if they want to.

The whole idea is, I'm sick of the calls, you're sick of the calls. These are your rights. Go learn 'em. Take back your bloody phone from these folks."

It's a message that a lot of people are eager to hear. As of today, Lamme says he has received about 1,300 e-mails from people looking for advice — even though his Web site is less than two weeks old.

He says a lot of the people who contact him are especially annoyed about robo-calls — automated calls received during political campaigns. Lamme says the government needs to make it easier to curb those, as well.




And, in a related story:

(http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7532228)Telemarketing Industry Adjusts to No-Call List

Alex
02-21-2007, 05:37 PM
No landline and just a cell phone = 99.99% reduction in telemarketing calls.

The only ones I get is a domain registry scam every couple of months. No fund raising or political campaign calls either.

Ghoulish Delight
02-21-2007, 05:39 PM
No landline and just a cell phone = 99.99% reduction in telemarketing calls.

The only ones I get is a domain registry scam every couple of months. No fund raising or political campaign calls either.
I've been getting a recorded investment scam call to my cell once every two weeks, coming out of Nevada.

Cadaverous Pallor
02-21-2007, 08:24 PM
I can't believe that in order for these businesses that are BREAKING THE LAW to get punished at all, the individual has to go through the pain in the ass court process. Is there any muscle behind the Do Not Call List, or is is just a bunch of bullsh!t? I fully believe that if any company calls someone who's on the list, they should be put out of business, PERIODENDOFFVCKINGSTORY. It's called privacy, assh0les. :mad:

wendybeth
02-21-2007, 10:00 PM
We're on the do not call list, and we get automated calls all the frikken time. (Got one tonight, in fact- from a mortgage co). The level of live calls has dropped, but the automated ones are increasing.

Not Afraid
02-21-2007, 10:06 PM
We just get calls from people wanting us to take surveys. Or credit cards trying to sell us "protection". Those calls always start out "This is not a sales call.....". HA!

Prudence
02-21-2007, 10:28 PM
We not only get telemarketers, despite being on the do not call list, but we get the recorded messages, which (except for elections and such) are illegal in our state. Doesn't matter. The calls keep coming.

Ghoulish Delight
02-21-2007, 11:03 PM
We not only get telemarketers, despite being on the do not call list, but we get the recorded messages, which (except for elections and such) are illegal in our state. Doesn't matter. The calls keep coming.
Unfortunately, there's a constant battle about who had jurisdiction to regulate calls coming from out of state, so calls that cross state lines remain in a gray area.

And yes, the recorded calls are increasing. And it's because if a company gets your name in some sort of "legitimate way" (i.e., some thing you signed up for once had "we can and will sell your name to anyone and everyone for the next several millennia" burried in their terms), they can call you...unless you tell them to take you off their list. Can't tell it to a machine. Bastards.

wendybeth
02-21-2007, 11:06 PM
Anyone remember Homer Simpson's brief career as a telemarketer?

€uroMeinke
02-21-2007, 11:11 PM
Anyone remember Homer Simpson's brief career as a telemarketer?

I can remember mine - 3months I think I lasted. Thank goodness I got a job at the nuke plant...

Kevy Baby
02-21-2007, 11:16 PM
I can remember mine - 3months I think I lasted. Thank goodness I got a job at the nuke plant...You were a telemarketer for a nuclear power plant?!? :eek:

Ghoulish Delight
02-21-2007, 11:18 PM
Just send $1 to Happy Dude.

Prudence
02-21-2007, 11:52 PM
And yes, the recorded calls are increasing. And it's because if a company gets your name in some sort of "legitimate way" (i.e., some thing you signed up for once had "we can and will sell your name to anyone and everyone for the next several millennia" burried in their terms), they can call you...unless you tell them to take you off their list. Can't tell it to a machine. Bastards.

And my problem is that the companies calling are all business oriented services and have a business relationship with ----- the morons who have been giving out our phone number as their business number (to everyone, including banks, the state employment insurance people, other contractors with whom they work, etc...) for three years now. Their real number is off from ours by a digit, but they continue to give out the wrong number. It's even that way on their business application, so I finally called the state. And I've started calling the vendors and banks to let them know the company is a steaming pile of poo. But that doesn't help the telemarketing calls.

Cadaverous Pallor
02-22-2007, 08:19 AM
I can remember mine - 3months I think I lasted. Three DAYS for me....on the fourth I showed up and found out our "operation" had been busted. Not exactly on the up and up.

innerSpaceman
02-22-2007, 09:11 AM
I've got you all beat at 3 hours.



I left for lunch, and never came back.

Cadaverous Pallor
02-22-2007, 07:26 PM
I'm waiting for someone to claim a 3 minute employment.

€uroMeinke
02-22-2007, 08:04 PM
Zapppop?

flippyshark
02-22-2007, 09:26 PM
I've got three hours beat, by one. I lasted at my telemarketing job for two hours, then was ousted because I as overheard saying something the boss interpreted as critical or sarcastic, which it probably was.

BarTopDancer
02-22-2007, 09:40 PM
I lasted 2 days. Never saw a check from them either.

The worst part is that most of the employees were from a sober house and they threatened to fire them for "breaking the sober house rules" (which would get them kicked out of the sober house) if they took a lunch or break.

CoasterMatt
02-22-2007, 10:03 PM
I ran the phone systems for a Sears Marketing Center for a short time in 2000.
All those calls were to existing Sears maintenance agreement customers, though.

Motorboat Cruiser
02-23-2007, 12:14 AM
I lasted 5 weeks. We switched locations twice during that time. The only good that I can think of is that I highly doubt anyone ever attended the time share seminar that I was pushing. At least I hope not, it was a major scam.