Watch Out for Designer "Faux" Fur

[Disneyphile]

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/11093036/detail.html?dl=mainclick


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[Alex]

I don't have a problem with dogs being used for food or fur but obviously something labeled as fake shouldn't have any.

But I don't understand the fake fur thing than I understand vegans who try to make tofu look, feel, and taste like a steak.

If you think it is cruel to use animals for fur why would you want to wear something that makes it look like you use animals for fur?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I don't have a problem with dogs being used for food or fur but obviously something labeled as fake shouldn't have any.

But I don't understand the fake fur thing than I understand vegans who try to make tofu look, feel, and taste like a steak.

If you think it is cruel to use animals for fur why would you want to wear something that makes it look like you use animals for fur?VISIBLE ALEX MOJO IN ALL CAPS. I couldn't agree more. Same goes for "animal print".

[tracilicious]

I think it's pretty terrible. But how many of you eat bacon? Pigs are smarter than dogs and treated atrociously. My horror regarding the treatment of pigs far outweighs that of using dog fur. Yet we still have threads going on about bacon.

[tracilicious]

VISIBLE ALEX MOJO IN ALL CAPS. I couldn't agree more. Same goes for "animal print".


I think there is a big difference. Animals are beautiful and using them for inspiration in fashion can be fabulously creative. There isn't a need to kill animals to do it, but I see nothing wrong with imitating nature's beauties.

[Alex]

I don't see any conflict with animal prints. Someone wearing tiger print Buttafuoco pants doesn't look like you killed the tiger to make loose fitting cotton pants.

I also see a difference between "inspired by" and "imitating the slaughter of."

But then I'm, within certain limits of method, I'm all in favor of "the actual slaughter of" whether it be for clothing or food. I just don't understood why someone opposed to the production of fur for clothing would then want to put on clothing essentially indistinguishable for the moral abyss they despise. It isn't like the synthetic fibers have to look like realistic fur to provide the warming properties people presumably want.

But if you get a coat made out of raccoon dog, demand that the monstrous shape-changing testicles still be attached.

[Morrigoon]

You get folks like me who liked to wear fur, but: a)it's very expensive, b)you really don't want some emaciated vegan freak tossing red paint on you, and c)hey, you can have the awesome look of real fur, but nothing died for it, rock on.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I think it's pretty terrible. But how many of you eat bacon? Pigs are smarter than dogs and treated atrociously. My horror regarding the treatment of pigs far outweighs that of using dog fur. Yet we still have threads going on about bacon.Hmm, I'm not sure who you're addressing here. The only post above yours that seems to think that using dog fur is awful would be Disneyphile (with her sad smiley).

I don't see any conflict with animal prints. Someone wearing tiger print Buttafuoco pants doesn't look like you killed the tiger to make loose fitting cotton pants.No, but it does bring to my mind the concept of dead animals. That goes for any use of animal prints, whether you're talking cotton stretch pants or overly fluffy blue "leopard" purses. I find it a) ugly and ridiculous, b) reminiscent of dead animals, and usually c) all of the above.

I also find it ridiculous to bemoan the death of one animal when you still pay for the death of another to suit your needs for food, clothing, medical testing, etc, etc. This is why, even though I absolutely adore animals, I still eat, wear, and otherwise indirectly use them for my comfort. I really have no problem with using dogs, cats, or other "cute" animals for human needs - because I eat and wear cows and I'm not a hypocrite. Same goes for cute, fuzzy, soft, sweet, lovable rabbits. Why are they any better than the other animals we eat? :confused:

If I thought otherwise I'd be a vegan who wears nothing but cotton and wouldn't use any medications. It's one way or the other.

Morrigoon - true that about freaks tossing paint, regardless of your fashion choices. How come they don't attack leather stores?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Morrigoon - true that about freaks tossing paint, regardless of your fashion choices. How come they don't attack leather stores?

I'm sure some do, but leather is a very different battle because cows aren't being killed (or raised in inhumane conditions) for their skin. They're killed for meat, so whether people wear leather or not, the cows will die (and live in inhumane conditions) anyway. Minks, on the other hand...

[Alex]

...deserve to die. Nasty creatures they are.

[Disneyphile]

My personal belief is that nothing should be killed just for its fur. I believe in using as much of something as possible, otherwise it's wasting life.

I do own pieces of rabbit fur - rabbits are a common food.
I also have no problem with leather, lambskin, deerskin, pigskin, etc.

Pretty much, if it's being eaten, I don't care. I understand that some countries eat dog and cat. That's fine - please use the fur too, because then there's really no waste, but don't lie about what it is (hence the article).

I hate seeing mink anything - I know mink is not eaten. Same thing with chinchilla, etc. Those are the furs/skins I'm against.

Also, don't friggen skin something alive. At least put it out of misery first. Nothing should have to suffer.

[Morrigoon]

Which brings to mind a personal struggle of my own. I love shellfish. Shrimp especially. But part of me wonders at the incredible waste of having to end 8 lives for my dinner when I eat shrimp versus only one (or more to the point, a fraction of one) for my dinner when I have a burger. Part of me is bothered by that. I still eat shrimp, of course, but a part of me wonders if I should strive to be as efficient as possible when ending the lives of animals to feed myself. Or maybe I'm just trying to feel good next time I shove a Double Double down my gullet.

But I could never be an emaciated paint-tossing vegan, so I guess I'll stick with being a lardass carnivore with a heavy conscience and a lot of questions about the meaning of life.

[BarTopDancer]

My mom inherited a beautiful fur coat from her mother or grandmother. It was stunning and made in an era that didn't have an issue with fur. She offered it to me, I turned it down. She had matching teddy bears made from it. The animals were long dead and disposing of the coat wouldn't bring them back.

I have a problem with dog fur being used, and dogs being eaten as food. It's a culture thing. I had my stint with vegetarianism and still try to avoid meat when I can. And I try to not think about the animals when I do eat meat. Like now, Cindy ruined my pasta plans with her shrimp comments. Then again the shrimp are already dead in my freezer. Grrr.

[innerSpaceman]

I don't think animal prints are generally immitative of skinned animals. I'm sorry CP sees butchered creatures when leopard print t-shirts are worn. Me, I'm with tracilicious in seeing the beauty of nature.


(and the tacky taste of man)

[Not Afraid]

As one who has faux leopard print pillows on her sofa, I love certain animal prints. Cats have the most incredible fur pattens and I love to use them as accents in small quantities. But, I would never skin a cat to make pillocws. For me, that is inhumane. Give me "real" faux fur any day, though. It's beautiful.

[tracilicious]

Also, don't friggen skin something alive. At least put it out of misery first. Nothing should have to suffer.


So no American made meat for you then? No eggs?

I don't have a problem with animals being killed or eaten. I have a problem with an entire industry that is founded on cruelty. It's unavoidable. Even the eggs that say "free range" come from chickens who have had a good portion of their beaks burned off (and yes, beaks are very sensitive), and have a 7 inch square of dirt to themselves. They do have access to the outdoors, if they can squeeze past the other chickens to get through the small door. I could go on and on...

I wish I was an emaciated vegan. I'm just a trying to lose weight vegan.

[Not Afraid]

I know many non-emaciated vegans and vegetarians. It's the cheese.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Call me a hypocrite, I don't care, I choose not to eat cute animals. Animal prints do not bother me in the least. True, they're often worn by people with questionable fashion sense (Edith Prickly comes to mind), but that's not the fault of the print.

It's also my opinion, skewed as it may be, that brutally slaughtering an animal for the sole purpose of wrapping its flesh around your body is repugnant.

(and the tacky taste of man)Interesting, most of the men I've tasted were kind of slippery....

[Alex]

I was very much a fat vegetarian. Potato chips are vegan and ranch dip is vegetarian.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Call me a hypocrite, I don't care, I choose not to eat cute animals. Which ones?

http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/image001.jpg

http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/son_2.jpg

http://www.usjersey.com/Forms/calf.gif

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/56/144045793_1398bc98f6.jpg?v=0

If I decided to not eat cute animals I'd have to stick to fish. But that's in my own very subjective opinion.

[DreadPirateRoberts]

Fish are friends, not food!

[BarTopDancer]

Fish are creepy.

I gained so much weight when I wasn't eating meat.

[tracilicious]

I know many non-emaciated vegans and vegetarians. It's the cheese.


Vegans don't eat cheese.

[Not Afraid]

It's probably the carbs with vegans.

There's nothing wrong with being a vegan or vegetaranian as long as you're getting the right amount of nutrition and do it consistantly. It's not the best weight loss method and it probably does more harm to your metabolism in the long run - but all flip flops in diets do do more harm than good.

[Morrigoon]

Never said there was anything wrong with being vegan or vegetarian (though I could, I choose not to get into it. I'll respect people's rights to make personal choices I disagree with, without having to hear me tell them why I disagree).

Nor am I suggesting that all people who choose to live meatless lifestyles are freaks. I am suggesting that the PETA people who go around tossing red paint and destroying the personal property of people with whom they disagree are freaks, often emaciated vegan ones.

[Nephythys]

You get folks like me who liked to wear fur, but: a)it's very expensive, b)you really don't want some emaciated vegan freak tossing red paint on you, and c)hey, you can have the awesome look of real fur, but nothing died for it, rock on.

d)and then you can still have some emaciated vegan freak toss red paint on you because they either can't tell the difference or they don't care because it's all appearance, not reality.

[tracilicious]

It's probably the carbs with vegans.

There's nothing wrong with being a vegan or vegetaranian as long as you're getting the right amount of nutrition and do it consistantly. It's not the best weight loss method and it probably does more harm to your metabolism in the long run - but all flip flops in diets do do more harm than good.


I can testify to the fact that you can do vegan low carb. I've lost 25 pounds in the past couple months and I continue to lose.

I'm on a "I can't believe no one cares about the horrible things the meat industry is doing to the earth and the animals" kick right now, so don't mind me.

[Disneyphile]

II'm on a "I can't believe no one cares about the horrible things the meat industry is doing to the earth and the animals" kick right now, so don't mind me.You do make some good valid points - they're not unheard. :)

I think it just boils down to what is important to everyone as individuals.

Like I won't use animal-tested products, but I still support medical testing (only when necessary). I view it as a sacrifice to save lives. But, cosmetic testing disgusts me to no end.

I know it sounds weird, but I have some things that I support, and others I don't, even though its contrary in some cases.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Which ones?None of the above. I don't eat a baby anything. I don't eat deer or sheep ever. I eat beef and pork, but not veal or whatever baby pig meat is called.

[Alex]

What if the cow is just born ugly? Is the Clint Howard of veal fair game?

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Sure, why not.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

None of the above. I don't eat a baby anything. I don't eat deer or sheep ever. I eat beef and pork, but not veal or whatever baby pig meat is called.No lamb? So you wouldn't eat venison because you think deer are cute? Are ducks cute? How about cornish game hen? Do you pick and choose as you go?

Just because it grows up to be supposedly ugly doesn't mean it wasn't cute once. Cute and sweet and cuddly and loving.

Such is the lot of an omnivore.

[Not Afraid]

I think what SM is trying to say is that is doesn't eat animals he finds cute, nor does he eat baby anything.


I, on the other hand, eat whatever I find is tasty. It might've been cute once but now it is dead and on my plate. I didn't kill it by ordering it at a restaurant or buying it at a store. It was already dead by then.

I love animals, but, if someone gave me a floor length Black Gamma fur, I would probably wear it. However, I don't support the killing of wild animals for fur and I can barely get by with the idea of hunting. I think Disneyphile hit it on the nose. It's a personal choice.

[innerSpaceman]

As is the choice - - one I constantly make myself, so don't anyone go getting in an uproar of being judged - - to rationalize that the animals will be killed whether you go vegetarian or not .... so you might as well eat the critters that have already lost the food chain battle before you walked into the market or the restaurant.

[Not Afraid]

I love meat.

[katiesue]

I grew up in a rural area so hunting doesn't bother me, as long as people eat what they kill. Hunting is used to thin herds so they don't starve or die of disease as well. And squirel stew isn't bad as I recall.

I'm not a huge taxidermy fan. No dead stuff in my house. I don't really care if that's what floats others boats but I find it kind of creepy. The hardware store where I had my first job had a buffalo head, a few deer and an elk on the walls. Kinda creepy.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

No lamb?nope, never had it

CP: So you wouldn't eat venison because you think deer are cute?correct

CP: Are ducks cute?meh, but I don't eat duck

CP: How about cornish game hen?I don't know what one looks like when alive, but I think I may have had it. They're pretty damn small though, so it's more of a "why bother?".

CP: Do you pick and choose as you go?Not with that much deliberateness, but I suppose so. I pretty much stick to chicken and beef.

Look, I did not and do not suggest anyone else should adhere to the carnivorous choices I've made for myself. I'm merely put out there what I do.

[innerSpaceman]

I will not eat anything that's cute when young and majestic when grown.

Deer are out ... as are buffalo, bear, lion, and sperm whale.







They must meet both criteria, however. Cute alone won't disqualify them from my plate.