Almost there baby!

[Tramspotter]

Michael J Fox's Plans are comming along EXCELLENTLY (http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=444436&in_page_id=1770&in_a_source=)

Man I was soooooo wrong and you guys were soooooooo right ethics and restraint have absolutly no place in science especially reasearch. Whatever means nessisary for funding and advancement I say... The next version could turn out to be hotter than a three pecker'd Billy Goat! From here on out I frankly won't be concerned at all untill they manage to make a sacient manbeast for organ harvesting that finds its way onto the airwaives via a dog and pony show and manages to groan kill me now. (I mean there has to be some limit right?)

[mousepod]

Thank you for starting this thread. Your hilarious spelling and gut-busting editorializing never fail to bring a smile to my face.

[Strangler Lewis]

Nothing new here. I remember when that old lefty, John Wayne, had a pig valve inserted into his heart. Next thing you know, we'll be eating animals and wearing their skins on our feet.

And, yes, there has to be some limit.

[Tramspotter]

Nothing new here. I remember when that old lefty, John Wayne, had a pig valve inserted into his heart. Next thing you know, we'll be eating animals and wearing their skins on our feet.

Nothing new here, really???
I truely hope that you didn't read the artical.



And, yes, there has to be some limit.

Glad you think so... Tough to shove all the geneticaly enhanced cats back in the bag after the fact though.

[Tramspotter]

Thank you for starting this thread. Your hilarious spelling and gut-busting editorializing never fail to bring a smile to my face. :rolleyes:

Here's a butterfly flapping his wings scenario for you... I will subconciously recall how I so amuse you when I slam the door in the face of the slob asking for donations to help fight GATOR-AIDS (Goat Attributed Transmutated Other Retrovirus) after telling him not only won't I sponsor him but he should shove his bike up his ass as well. After the door shuts I might wonder why. Then again probably not.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

And this has exactly what to do with Michael J. Fox? I don't recall him calling for a tri-peckered goat, but maybe that story just occurred on a slow news day and I missed it. Either that, or it was a Fox News exclusive.

[Strangler Lewis]

Nothing new here, really???
I truely hope that you didn't read the artical.



Glad you think so... Tough to shove all the geneticaly enhanced cats back in the bag after the fact though.

I read it. You're focusing on human life, not animal life. I don't think all slopes are equally slippery, but I agree it's cause for concern. If you start combining human cells with animal cells to save lives in the hospital room on one day, the next day you might be fostering entire classes of lower caste human beings who will be sent to fight and die in the wars of the elite.

[sleepyjeff]

I remember the days when everyone was up in arms over Dan Quayle's support for geniticaly altered tomato's(or was that potatoes?;)).

[Not Afraid]

I's rather talk about Anna Nicole autoposy findings. Now THAT's important news!

[Ghoulish Delight]

I's rather talk about Anna Nicole autoposy findings. Now THAT's important news!
I hear the sheep is claiming paternity.

[Strangler Lewis]

That sheep has definitely had work done.

[Not Afraid]

Brazillian!!!!!

[wendybeth]

Excuse me, but isn't Michael J. Fox for stem-cell research, as in human stem-cells? The three-peckered goat might be a result of technologies created by researchers who are not being allowed to research in the human arena and therefore have to find other avenues. I would argue (but only tongue-in-cheek, as this is just too silly to have a serious argument about) that responsible scientists* would prefer to not have to take the risk of working with animals but are being forced to due to political and religious roadblocks in human stem-cell research.



*As opposed to those that might work for Dr. Evil.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:NVbzVZ9kdiwsSM:www.defence.gov.au/news/armynews/editions/1119/images/16-dr%2520evil.jpg

[€uroMeinke]

Are we not men?

[blueerica]

We are DEVO!

[wendybeth]

Next thing you know, they'll be making friggen' sharks with friggen' laser beams! And multi-peckered ones as well!

[€uroMeinke]

Honestly, if we don't play God who will?

Someone needs to make a centaur, that would be cool.

[Not Afraid]

Daddy, I want a Unicorn and I want it NOW!

[blueerica]

Veruca Salts of the world, unite!

[SacTown Chronic]

As soon as a sheep gets to 40% human, I'm going to fvck it. Try and stop me, trolltramspotter.

[Kevy Baby]

As soon as a sheep gets to 40% human, I'm going to fvck it.Were we supposed to wait until they got to 40%?


Oh

[JWBear]

You're all being very baaaaaaad.

[Tramspotter]

Try and stop me, trolltramspotter.

Why would I try and stop you? Why not just sell tickets till the novelty wears off. why would I have a problem with what you do with a consenting farm animal but I feel I would have to remind you that bahhhh means no and also that sometimes sheep/goats freeze up all mussles and keel over when frightend so don't be too alarmed if that were to happen.

As for moi being a troll? That would imply that there is thoughtful debate going on. As far as I have seen thats so not the case round here. At worst I might offer some counter argument or lay my views on the train track to be run roughshod by the pogressive circlejerk that usually passes for politcial discourse around here.

I paraphrase this quote but it was along the same vein there is an email list in a competing production company to mine nown to be full bull goose Liberal and a freelancer commented about the political debates there between the ultra liberals and progressives: "Its like retards swinging at eachother in the dark arguing from the same side and sometimes hitting eachother to spark yet even more debate"

soooo After the smuggness of catching a spelling or gramatical error on my part wears off perhaps some might see my inital point or even my usual objectivist theam ....

You don't think progressive incrementalism is already here and the vehicle for colectivists to hide in. They can certainly grab you by your yarbles unaware. (well once they get around to something you hold dear, which they eventually will)

But... but... what about those Evil Bushies/Greedy Corperations/brainwashed Hillbillys and stupid ass religious people? Well yes they will be the hardest to convert to the correct way of thinking so obviously since they work in shame not us we cant use that. And since they never have point there is no point reasoning with them hmmmm well lets see what has worked for our side in the past... (beards lads stroke em if you got em) hmmmmmm

Perhaps the Geneticaly altered man/beasts can figure this one out. What say you man beasts?

Are we not men!
Some animals are more equal than others.
or just a simple kill us please.

[Ghoulish Delight]

So, is Michael J. Fox screwing sheep or not?

[Morrigoon]

You use words which exceed the scope of your abilities to write, and for what... because you think 3+ syllables legitemizes your argument?

(Actually I really enjoy reading your posts, despite the fact that they are dripping with ire, because the effort required in figuring out where punctuation ought to have been to make your statements comprehensible makes my otherwise mind-numbingly boring day more interesting. And because you're just that damn funny.)

[Jazzman]

Uh oh, Mr. Tumnus better look out, he's about to be harvested!

"Get over here goat! It's transplantin' time!"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/ElJeffe/Random%20Pics/whitewitch.jpg

[Scrooge McSam]

And because you're just that damn funny.)

Yeah ;)

Tram, you crack me up

And I don't totally disagree with you this time. Small comfort in that for you, I'm sure.

Progressive incrementalism has got me, and I can't get up!!!

B'ahhhhhh

[SacTown Chronic]

So, is Michael J. Fox screwing sheep or not?Sheep use vibrators?

[Motorboat Cruiser]

soooo After the smuggness of catching a spelling or gramatical error on my part wears off perhaps some might see my inital point or even my usual objectivist theam ....



Perhaps, if you ever took a reasonable conversational tone and laid off the excessive hyperbole and venom for as much as a sentence, your point would become clear and you would be responded to in kind. Just a suggestion.

And Sac, please man, I'm trying to eat here. :D

[blueerica]

So - I'm wondering how the feta will come out with a goat like that.

Oh wait... sheep. That's right...

[Prudence]

Sheep = pecorino romano, ready for the mutant pasta of your choosing.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

*passes mousepod popcorn*

Dude, seriously. *eats popcorn* Like the others have said, it takes a concerted effort to understand what the hell you're trying to say. It makes for amusing reading, but it's impossible to debate. Yelling "This is bad" with long inflammatory words does not an argument make, even after we parse it all out.

Personally, I think this development is awesome. I had thought to emulate your style and post as such, but in rereading (and rereading and rereading) what you posted I find that to be impossible. I also find myself at a loss trying to take what you wrote and turn it into normal paragraphs. Apparently these posts are whole animals that you can't take apart and put back together again.

Unlike sheep.

[tracilicious]

That was a cool article. This could be awesome for people that need transplants.

[Sub la Goon]

Now with 15% more HUMAN!

Human / animal hybrids! Silent Viruses!

Frankly, we have used animals in testing and producing products for human benefit for some time. This is just the next logical step. Of course, some will see this as the slippery slope to the Island of Dr. Moreau. I don't think so.

The Animal Rights activists will be appalled at the blatant exploitation of animals and Religious Righties will, of course, see this as PLAYING GOD. Funny they don't have any problem with anesthesia or vaccinations. Of course, they will always seem to connect this type of scientific exploration with ABORTION.

The fact is, human organs will continue to be highly valuable and not enough donors ride motorcycles. Of course people will try to come up with ways to Grow donatable organs. We can't do it in beakers, so animals are the best choice. Will we end up cloning "Spares" like in The Island? Doubtful.

Too many people think that we can't progress because the lure to mis-use our knowledge is too great. So the answer is: Stay dumb? We already have WAY more information than we need to really screw each other up and that won't change, no matter what.

[Tramspotter]

Perhaps, if you ever took a reasonable conversational tone and laid off the excessive hyperbole and venom for as much as a sentence, your point would become clear and you would be responded to in kind. Just a suggestion.

And Sac, please man, I'm trying to eat here. :D


What level of Scientology...er socialism do I need to achieve for my "points" become "clear"?

And this might bake your noodle what if my tone is the point?

or better yet i'll just cut to the quick what pray tell IS the right/proper attitude to make a MJF balls deep in a sheep/vibrator joke with impunity? For that is far more valuable feedback.

[Tramspotter]

You use words which exceed the scope of your abilities to write, and for what... because you think 3+ syllables legitemizes your argument?

(Actually I really enjoy reading your posts, despite the fact that they are dripping with ire, because the effort required in figuring out where punctuation ought to have been to make your statements comprehensible makes my otherwise mind-numbingly boring day more interesting. And because you're just that damn funny.)

Cindy, I really am sorry, the line for backhanded complements is over there. Can't let you cut love, sorry. Wish I could.

[Tramspotter]

Now with 15% more HUMAN!

Human / animal hybrids! Silent Viruses!

Frankly, we have used animals in testing and producing products for human benefit for some time. This is just the next logical step. Of course, some will see this as the slippery slope to the Island of Dr. Moreau. I don't think so.

The Animal Rights activists will be appalled at the blatant exploitation of animals and Religious Righties will, of course, see this as PLAYING GOD. Funny they don't have any problem with anesthesia or vaccinations. Of course, they will always seem to connect this type of scientific exploration with ABORTION.

The fact is, human organs will continue to be highly valuable and not enough donors ride motorcycles. Of course people will try to come up with ways to Grow donatable organs. We can't do it in beakers, so animals are the best choice. Will we end up cloning "Spares" like in The Island? Doubtful.

Too many people think that we can't progress because the lure to mis-use our knowledge is too great. So the answer is: Stay dumb? We already have WAY more information than we need to really screw each other up and that won't change, no matter what.

Well if you put it that way! Noooooooo!! We mustn't stay dumb. Onward onward I say and kill any who would hold the white-coats back!!!

Besides the third world supply of organs is getting dangerously low. Science unlike like the evil capitalist invisible hand is self correcting, altruistic and our one true hope, more regulations and controls for everything else but please, for the love of the flying spaghetti monster, let raw science run free. Let it run free and as fast as a three legged chicken.

[€uroMeinke]

If I read your tea leaves correctly you seem to imply that science needs some limits - yet you otherwise seem to be rather libertarian in other thought. Is that correct? If so, how do you reconcile the two?

It seems to me that science and progress move forward despite our efforts to contain it - all hail the neuton bomb etc.

[Tramspotter]

Sheep use vibrators?

Sheep are actually several million years old. In fact, science tells us female dinosaurs used them as tampons.

[Strangler Lewis]

Sheep are actually several million years old. In fact, science tells us female dinosaurs used them as tampons.

Now, dat's funny!

[Tramspotter]

If I read your tea leaves correctly you seem to imply that science needs some limits - yet you otherwise seem to be rather libertarian in other thought. Is that correct? If so, how do you reconcile the two?

It seems to me that science and progress move forward despite our efforts to contain it - all hail the neuton bomb etc.

Limiting unaccountable public funding seems reasonable to me apparently not others... who went completely simian excrement regarding that stance.

Transparency/accountability for absolute recklessness in the private sector.
(but by who's yardstick is the rub) careless enough to release a plague or show off your abomination as a work of beautiful craftsmanship you risk being hunted down by the pich-fork wielding villagers.

Yes good example, thank the FSM that nuclear weapons are no longer a threat. And that nuclear power now safely supplies all our electrical needs.

[BarTopDancer]

http://www.entheosweb.com/images/photoshop/shiny_star_3.jpg

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Yes good example, thank the FSM that nuclear weapons are no longer a threat. And that nuclear power now safely supplies all our electrical needs.Ok, wait, stop! Right there! WTF does that mean? Ok, at least I understand that the first sentence is a joke, in light of the recent world issues regarding who has nukes and who's trying to get them. But what about the next sentence? Are you trying to say that we should not have pursued nuclear capabilities at all? Are you saying that nuclear power is not a safe choice for power? Do you really discount all the good that nuclear studies have done? All the knowledge we've gained? You'd really say "we should not have learned that, it was dangerous knowledge?"

Really?

[Tramspotter]

Ok, wait, stop! Right there! WTF does that mean? Ok, at least I understand that the first sentence is a joke, in light of the recent world issues regarding who has nukes and who's trying to get them. But what about the next sentence? Are you trying to say that we should not have pursued nuclear capabilities at all? Are you saying that nuclear power is not a safe choice for power? Do you really discount all the good that nuclear studies have done? All the knowledge we've gained? You'd really say "we should not have learned that, it was dangerous knowledge?"

Really?

Not at all.

Why don't we have coast to coast nuclear now that the tech is damn near meltdown proof and far more efficient?

Let me help out by being as clear as possible while still trying to maintain my individual style:

I think it might have something to do with an extreme and nonsensical regulatory burden authored by competing energy interests and some militant, vegan, petrouli soaked, yet still foul smelling, professional protesters, loitering about a heavily bumper-stickered and slogan painted VW van that I saw on the Venice boardwalk the other day. :evil:

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Not at all.

Why don't we have coast to coast nuclear now that the tech is damn near meltdown proof and far more efficient?

Let me help out by being as clear as possible while still trying to maintain my individual style:

I think it might have something to do with an extreme and nonsensical regulatory burden authored by competing energy interests and some militant, vegan, petrouli soaked, yet still foul smelling, professional protesters, loitering about a heavily bumper-stickered and slogan painted VW van that I saw on the Venice boardwalk the other day. :evil:So you're complaining about the regulatory burdens put on nuclear power but you want to put regulatory burdens on biotechnology?

I'm so confused.

[Kevy Baby]

This is like watching a train wreck

[Tramspotter]

So you're complaining about the regulatory burdens put on nuclear power but you want to put regulatory burdens on biotechnology?

I'm so confused.

No is offering it up as a reason that efficient modern Nuclear power plants are not built that far off.

And I am certainly complaining about damn hippies and others who protest nuclear energy.

And said nothing of regulatory burdens on biotech.

I just opposed government funding of anything that raises significant ethical issues and bemoan the scientific community's seeming lack of restraint and curent push to have a better shocking sideshow sudo advancements for more funding rather than starting out addressing concerns and showing the controls in place. The current course certainly eventually will produce something so egregious that the public clamor for regulations and a overreaching clamp down of useful and ethically reasonable progress.

The unabashed hardon I have seen amongst many LOT'ers for unrestrained and perhaps medically & ethically sketchy research concerns my sensibility's more than a bible thumpers moral objections to the same. Holding humans above animals I hope in most of our ethical road maps (although there are I'm sure some animal rights folks here who don't) is only the start of that bag of worms...

[blueerica]

TS - I think you're failing to see that there is actually a fairly balanced mix of those in this thread who are for and against it. For many here, the concept that a goat is part human is alarming, at least on some level. Some see it for a medical benefit, others see it for some strange sort of sci-fi moment for the here and now - something to be perhaps worried about.

I think the big issue, at least from how I see it, is that looks like you came in here looking for a fight - when there wasn't as much of one to be had. If you read many of the posts, it's not like so many people are against you - they're sort of against the way you've approached this very important debate on man, technology and belief. You came in with guns, and seem surprised that people are turned off by it. This is a serious issue, worthy of a serious tone, not the tone with which you've diminished this argument with - you're starting a flame war. Have anyone from the outside read your first post - read it out loud for yourself - and perhaps you'll see what I'm seeing.

Frankly, while I'm not in disagreement with you, your choice of jargon turns me off. Speak plainly - by the way you're going at it now you're just losing support from those who might otherwise support your views.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Personally, I agree wholeheartedly with your position on nuclear energy. I just have some problems, like others, with the presentation of those positions. Give people a chance to express their opinions and you might learn what those opinions are. It seems more productive than to just try to get a rise out of everyone.

[SacTown Chronic]

The unabashed hardon Is there any other kind?

[innerSpaceman]

Well, I hate to defend him, but Tram's style is entertaining, from a certain point of view. And I think he legitimately decided this particular aspect of an otherwise serious subject was suitable for skewering with some comic flare.


He's not the straightest talker ... but for every unintelligible non-puncutated rant, there's a great dinosaur tampon joke.

[Not Afraid]

Do hippies sill exist and, if they do, do they actually have a segment of power?

[Ghoulish Delight]

"Hippie" has become a dismissive term for anyone who deigns to think about someone other than themself.

[blueerica]

Is there any other kind?

Man, you guys should see the kind of hard-ons I can achieve. Impressive, to say the least. ;)

[SacTown Chronic]

Yes, but are they unabashed?

[AllyOops!]

Please, no 3-peckered goats, because that will only lead to 3 peckered men, and I have my hands full enough with pleasing one, thank you.

However, I suppose 3 inputs calls for 3 peckers. Once again, the world makes sense.

;)

[Tramspotter]

"Hippie" has become a dismissive term for anyone who deigns to think about someone other than themself.

How is it that you stand so aloof as to tailor a definiton so precicely as to assign Altruistic motives the one group being clowned and by connotation negative motives ie. selfish bastards to any one who would dare clown them?

I was actualy talking about honnest to goodness aging 60's era love children who still protesting between bonghits believe that they are so right on man how can you not like see it. Who really did give the cover of public outrage for other power interests to squelch cheap safe and abundant nuclear power.

It's hard to find amoungst all the Bush is hittler police are faciast jargan on their V dub but if you look real close it's still there man... it's still there... Stop Nukes now...

[Ghoulish Delight]

How is it that you stand so aloof as to tailor a definiton so precicely as to assign Altruistic motives the one group being clowned and by connotation negative motives ie. selfish bastards to any one who would dare clown them?
Michael J. Fox makes me do it with his hypnotic vibrating.

[Not Afraid]

I think you're all commie pinkos.


Let's just revive all outmoded name calling. Just THINK of the names we could call people! It might not mean anything, but it sure would be fun.

[SacTown Chronic]

^slut

[SacTown Chronic]

Sheep are actually several million years old. In fact, science tells us female dinosaurs used them as tampons.Oh I agree that toxic shock wiped out the dinosaurs, but "several million years"? I think not.


I suggest you visit these people (http://www.answersingenesis.org/museum/) for reeducation.


What is so different about this museum?
Almost all natural history museums proclaim an evolutionary, humanistic worldview. For example, they will typically place dinosaurs on an evolutionary timeline millions of years before man. AiG’s museum will proclaim the authority and accuracy of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and will show that there is a Creator, and that this Creator is Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:15-20), who is our Savior.

[JWBear]

...and will show that there is a Creator, and that this Creator is Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:15-20), who is our Savior.

Um.... Wasn't Jesus the son of the creator, and not the creator himself???

[Ghoulish Delight]

Of course, the REAL controversy in all of this is...what drop-down selection does this poor creature make when visiting this site (http://www.adultsheepfinder.com/)? It's pretty sad that the operators felt the need to discriminate against her kind.