WDW Resorts say Bye-bye to Smoking!

[sleepyjeff]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-biznews-disney050107,0,1462312.story?coll=orl-home-promo

Yay! I always hate it when I end up in a room that has been smoked in. I know it sounds weird but when I am in a smokey hotel room my ears actually hurt...sometimes for days after:eek:

I've never been a big fan of government bans on smoking because it clashes with my "rights of the property owner" idealogy; but I am sure glad when a private organization does.

[Morrigoon]

I imagine the people most hurt by this are in the lower affordability brackets anyway, so it probably won't impact Disney's business *too* much. And the added appeal to non- and anti-smokers of having a relatively smoke-free resort to take their families to. Good move.

Oh... except the European market may feel the pinch a bit. But perhaps Disney would rather they go to DLP anyway?

[blueerica]

Do they have a plan in place to charge those who do smoke in the rooms, even if it's "not permitted"?

I can't tell you how many times (pretty much almost every time) I've booked a non-smoking room (and I'm not talking Vegas here) that's smelled like someone had smoked in it. How do they actually plan to stop it. Humans are notorious for "not caring" when an addiction is at stake.

[Capt Jack]

they need to start selling nic patches at the front gate. they work wonders for me.

[Ponine]

Yay! I always hate it when I end up in a room that has been smoked in. I know it sounds weird but when I am in a smokey hotel room my ears actually hurt...sometimes for days after:eek:


I am right there with you. Nothing more annoying than asking for a non-smoking room, and fidning out it USED to be a smoking room, or that there are no non-smoking rooms left.

Doesnt affect my ears, but my eyes will just feel as if they are on fire.

And the nic patch thing.... whatever.
They arent supposed to be a crutch, they were intended as a tool I thought.

[Capt Jack]

a crutch, under the right circumstances, is indeed a tool

[Ghoulish Delight]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-biznews-disney050107,0,1462312.story?coll=orl-home-promo

Yay! I always hate it when I end up in a room that has been smoked in. I know it sounds weird but when I am in a smokey hotel room my ears actually hurt...sometimes for days after:eek: As blueerica points out, does changing this policy really solve this problem? Sure it might make a small number of people think twice, but if you requested a non-smoking room and smell smoke, then it was someone who is already ignoring a non-smoking policy that was the cause of it. Unless they have some new way to monitor and enforce, I'm skeptical that it will change anything (aside from the, "Oh I'm sorry, all we have left is smoking rooms," annoyance which I suppose is a benefit).

[BarTopDancer]

they need to start selling nic patches at the front gate. they work wonders for me.

I tried the patch but it was too hard to keep lit.

[katiesue]

I can't remember where I saw it, maybe when I stayed at the Raddison last month. They had something like a $500 cleanup fee or some such for smoking in a non-smoking room (all their rooms were supposedly non-smoking).

[Capt Jack]

yup. a lot of hotels are going that route now. many will add to the bill after the fact if they discover it later.
cant blame em. Ive seen what all my years of smoking has left on walls and in carpets (not to mention the guy who worked on my computer asking me 'did you guys have a fire?')

its a habit I can do without...getting there is a long a$$ trip though.

[Alex]

I'm a pro smoking non-smoker (and never have).

Light up America!

As a frequent patron of dive motels, the smell doesn't really bother me (I like the smell of cigarettes but not stale cigarette smoke). If Disney wants to change the rules (and the economics do seem to make sense) then more power to them but I doubt it will stop many people from smoking.

[Betty]

:eek: I can't remember where I saw it, maybe when I stayed at the Raddison last month. They had something like a $500 cleanup fee or some such for smoking in a non-smoking room (all their rooms were supposedly non-smoking).


I'm saying this as an ex-smoker: Prove it.

My word as a customer in a "private" room where no one can see me against the hotels.

Unless there is obvious ashes on the desk, butts or something, just what are they going to do/say? You smoked in our non-smoking room. ... No I didn't.... yes you did... no I didn't. ???

I wonder if they just charged your card anyway if you could fight the bill with your credit card company as a charge back.

And certainly, after they went around and around with you, whether you actually smoked in the room or not, are you ever going to go back after they've accused you of lying?

And what happens if you really didn't smoke in the room and they charge you an extra $500 because they *think* you did?

[BarTopDancer]

The GrandCal already has this in place. No smoking in their rooms or on the balcony's of their rooms.

Anyone know how they manage that?

[sleepyjeff]

As blueerica points out, does changing this policy really solve this problem? Sure it might make a small number of people think twice, but if you requested a non-smoking room and smell smoke, then it was someone who is already ignoring a non-smoking policy that was the cause of it. Unless they have some new way to monitor and enforce, I'm skeptical that it will change anything (aside from the, "Oh I'm sorry, all we have left is smoking rooms," annoyance which I suppose is a benefit).


I think it will go a long way towards solving the problem. Most people tend to obey rules and when they find out they can't have a smoking room at WDW, would just make ressies over at the the Hotels near DDT or some other off site place....or just not smoke. Sure, you will have a few people who will break the rule and I suppose I could end up in a room that someone had smoked in anyway....but the odds are better I think. Not to mention that a non-smoking room that one person in something like a 100 smokes in has got to be better than a room designated smoking.

[Stan4dSteph]

As an individual with allergies and asthma, I am very glad to hear this news.

[Not Afraid]

I abhor the smell of stale smoke in hotel rooms. I'm glad that it is not allowed.

[MickeyLumbo]

Do they have a plan in place to charge those who do smoke in the rooms, even if it's "not permitted"?

Humans are notorious for "not caring" when an addiction is at stake.


they tend to care when their pockey book is at stake. Guests who smoke in a designated non-smoking room (all rooms Resort-wide) will be liable for the cost of cleaning draperies, carpeting, furniture and linens PLUS the daily rack (not a discount) rate per night for the length of time the room cannot be sold.

:cool:

[Mousey Girl]

I can't stand the smell of smoke indoors. I feel guilty about even lighting up in a casino. I have no problem with walking outside, to a designated area, to have a cig.

The worst is the smell that ends up in your clothes after being in a casino hotel room. ewww.

[Alex]

So far, the industry experience (from what I hear; maybe Disney is doing so at DL) is that very few hotels follow through on charging the rates (as said you get into that proof thing and when a credit card payment is stopped it is the whole thing not just the added charge).

I don't care if my rooms smells of smoke. So I'm staying one night and leave the next day. It'll probably smell of smoke just about as much. I didn't complain. The person after me does. Who do they charge?

And if I'm ever a maid in such an establishment I'm going to light up in every poorly tipping room.

If the hotel does charge the $500 I wonder if they actually perform the "deep cleaining" that supposedly warrants the money?

[innerSpaceman]

Yes, but the question was ... how is it established that the guest smoked? Are there hidden cameras? Because hotel word vs. guest word battles are not very nice.

Where would the hotel get hotel word from anyway? Seems to me the Grand Cal policy encourages people to smoke in the rooms where they can't be seen by staff, and not on the balconies where they can be spied upon.


If smoke detectors is the answer ... what about the Suite my wedding couple is staying in this weekend that has a fireplace? If they snuggle (or more than that) in front of the hearth, are the GrandCal SmokePolice going to burst in on them at an inopportune moment?!?


:eek:

[Alex]

Yes, because, frankly, Grand California security are all a bunch of pervs.

[innerSpaceman]

Ah, then it's cameras, is it?

[Alex]

Yes, but only in the bathrooms.

So don't smoke there.

[lashbear]

a crotch, under the right circumstances, is indeed a tool

You said it !! :evil:

[lashbear]

The GrandCal already has this in place. No smoking in their rooms or on the balcony's of their rooms.

Anyone know how they manage that?

They just need to install the highly sensitive smoke detectors used in airplane toilets, then rig them to "Claire De Room Stinkbug Juice" smellitzers that douse the occupants thouroughly when smoke is detected.

That'd stop them. :D

Oh, and don't make toast on your Travel Iron, or else ! :eek:

[cirquelover]

I've never had a problem finding a smoking room, if I want one. I just won't stay on property anymore, no big deal.

My question is, are they really going to do that thorough of a cleaning job on the smoking rooms they have now in order to bring them up to par with the non smoking rooms.
I was a maid in my youth and I can tell you they really can't get the smell out of a heavily smoked in room. If someone spills water on the carpet or curtains the smell will return.

[wendybeth]

My friend owns a bio-cleanup service, and their equipment is pretty heavy-duty. It completely eradicates a place of dead body odor and the like, so I imagine there is similar equipment for smoke removal.

I no longer smoke, but I will never agree with discriminating against smokers. If a business decides to not allow it (I mean, how hard is it to set aside a few rooms out of the thousands they have?) then that's their right, but they're telling a good chunk of their market they don't want them around.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I no longer smoke, but I will never agree with discriminating against smokers. If a business decides to not allow it (I mean, how hard is it to set aside a few rooms out of the thousands they have?) then that's their right, but they're telling a good chunk of their market they don't want them around.If they're getting more complaints then they are getting requests for smoking rooms, then that's probably exactly what they want to tell that part of the market.

[blueerica]

Like I said, it seems like any accusation of smoking in a room is shady. What if the room is cleaned, it's unreported that it smelled like smoke. Next guy comes along, stays a night or two and its reported that the room smells like smoke, and he gets assessed the charge.

It just seems like such a sketchy thing to reinforce, and there's little that will convince me that they can do so effectively, without cameras being put in the room.

[katiesue]

My guess is it's supposed to act as a deterant. Like the high fines for the carpool lane. Although of course that's more clear cut if you're in the carpool lane by yourslef you're busted.

But just the fact that you could be liable may make a person think twice.

[Alex]

Like I said, it seems like any accusation of smoking in a room is shady. What if the room is cleaned, it's unreported that it smelled like smoke. Next guy comes along, stays a night or two and its reported that the room smells like smoke, and he gets assessed the charge.

That's a very good use case! You, and anybody else who thought of it, are obviously extremely intelligent. And good looking.

[katiesue]

That's a very good use case! You, and anybody else who thought of it, are obviously extremely intelligent. And good looking.

Visable Alex mojo!