Good Morning and Welcome to Hell

[Not Afraid]

See you in hell, Jerry Falwell.

[wendybeth]

See you in hell, Jerry Falwell.

Was he 'smited' or 'taken home'? Hmmmm.....I'm going with your assessment.

[BarTopDancer]

See you in hell, Jerry Falwell.

No no no! If we're all going to hell I'd much prefer he go to heaven. I do not want to spend eternity with him.

[innerSpaceman]

I suppose I shouldn't take delight in the death of another ...


but I can't help but smile at the thought of newly-deceased Rev. Jerry Falwell waking up tomorrow in Hell.




:evil:

[Gn2Dlnd]

Goodbye, you turd. Have a nice afterlife.

news (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070515/jerry-falwell)

[Not Afraid]

I commented first in the sooooo thread. So there. ;) I didn't think he deserved his own thread.

[Alex]

For people like Jerry Falwell and Tammy Faye Messner (nee Bakker, nee LaValley) I sometimes like to imagine that there is an afterlife so that they can learn how wrong they were. But then I figure that if there is an afterlife then it is just as likely that they were right, which would suck.

So, in the end I don't imagine it.

But rather I'll just say that Mr. Falwell, was a prominent figure in one of the last half centuries great malignant social movements and to the extend I am sanguine about any body's death, he'd make the list.

The several days of lionization on the theory that it is wrong to speak truthfully of the dead will be a hard pill to swallow.

[Snowflake]

Buh-Bye Jerry

You should never say bad things about the dead, you should only say good… Joan Crawford Jerry Fallwell is dead, good!
- Bette Davis Snowflake

[Tramspotter]

Yup dead sack of rotting meat or called home depending. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,272477,00.html)

So is it unseemly to experience glee at your political and religious polar opposites shuffling off the mortal coil? Perhaps but don't let that stop you. :p

[Alex]

about how Jerry Falwell is dead?

[Strangler Lewis]

Say what you will about the man . . .

Well, go ahead.

I like to think of him reunited with his mother in an outhouse up in heaven.

[SacTown Chronic]

Who?

[Gn2Dlnd]

I have to say, I'm really enjoying the threads on FARK.

Jerry Falwell found unresponsive on office floor, taken to Lynchburg Hospital (http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2804935)

and

MSNBC reporting Jerry Falwell condition downgraded to dead (http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2805124)

[Ghoulish Delight]

I wonder what he did to piss off God.

[Ponine]

Who?

(Should I admit that this is actually what I was thinking?)

[Not Afraid]

You people are ignoring the other important new!

Paris Hilton (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Paris+Hilton) is "emotionally distraught and traumatized" over her 45-day jail sentence

[Gn2Dlnd]

Paris Hilton never blamed me for 9/11. Mr. Falwell actively courted my hatred.

[BarTopDancer]

You know, I really don't want him going to hell. Because if I'm going to hell I really don't want to spend eternity listening to him.

[Capt Jack]

(Should I admit that this is actually what I was thinking?)

mmm...probably not.

although if thats true, I envy you. :snap:

[Ghoulish Delight]

Threads merged.

He's still dead.

[Ponine]

although if thats true, I envy you. :snap:
I know the name, I know he's an evangalist, thats the sum total of my knowledge. :eek:

[Isaac]

I suppose I shouldn't take delight in the death of another ...
but I can't help but smile at the thought of newly-deceased Rev. Jerry Falwell waking up tomorrow in Hell.
:evil:
So where is he now ? ;)

[SzczerbiakManiac]

<sings the Smurf song and does the happy dance with life-size Tink-Winky "action figure">

[Isaac]

Like Ponine and SacTown, I had no clue who this guy was till a moment ago. Long story short, he was a TV evangelist and a prick.
Days after Sept. 11, 2001, Falwell essentially blamed feminists, gays, lesbians and liberal groups for bringing on the terrorist attacks.
:rolleyes: riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
In 1999, he told an evangelical conference that the Antichrist was a male Jew who was probably already alive. Falwell later apologized for the remark but not for holding the belief. A month later, his National Liberty Journal warned parents that Tinky Winky, a purple, purse-toting character on television's "Teletubbies" show, was a gay role model and morally damaging to children. WTF?! The antichrist must be a jew ?!
There's no way he could dare be a christian ?!
Geez! What an asshole!!
Falwell had survived two serious health scares in early 2005. He was hospitalized for two weeks with what was described as a viral infection, then was hospitalized again a few weeks later after going into respiratory arrest. Later that year, doctors found a 70 percent blockage in an artery, which they opened with stents.Hmm... maybe if he wasn't so busy bashing homosexuals he would have noticed the passages in the bible that imply that all good Christians are supposed to control their weight (yes, that's in the bible).


Ya know, the more learn about this guy, the less I want to know.

I'm happy the world is rid of him but I'm sad that he didn't live long enough to realize the error of his ways.

If he (of all people) gets into heaven, I think we are all home free.
If he doesn't, I'm sure Satan has a nice, warm cell waiting for him in the O.J. Simpson wing of hell.

C'est La Vie. :cool:

[Kevy Baby]

How could you not know who Jerry Falwell was?!?

[innerSpaceman]

That's funny. The Christ was a jew, too! Maybe that's why the anti-Christ has to also be a jew.

So where is he now?

Currently, he's in Limbo - - being spit upon and spit-roasted (for practice purposes) while he awaits consignment to eternal damnation in Hades. I would love to be a fly on the walls of Hell when he wakes up in the morning to be greeted by a grinning Beealzebub and is assigned the task of raising funds for Satan on the Devil's new 24/7 local cable channel.

[Isaac]

Dont' forget the accordion music.

How could you not know who Jerry Falwell was?!?
I'm not THAT type of Christian ;)

[Ponine]

How could you not know who Jerry Falwell was?!?

Becuase although you watch the news, you really dont listen, and never read th paper, and really... dont follow current events or politics.

I have never been as informed as this particular group of friends has made me in my lifetime.
And I dont read the obvious politicial or news threads.

I couldnt tell you why we're fighting in other countries, or a great many things.
I should be blonde, because thats what I know about the world. I just dont comment on those types of topics, and people think I am more informed than I am.
Though the things I do know about, I know a lot. :p

[Not Afraid]

I just remembered a bumper sticker I had on my ancient Toyota.

"The Moral Majority is Neither".

[Snowflake]

I'm happy the world is rid of him but I'm sad that he didn't live long enough to realize the error of his ways.


Well, according to my beliefs, he knows now! :evil:

[Snowflake]

You people are ignoring the other important new!

Well, like you call on Fallwell not needing his own thread, neither does PH. If she's traumatized as to where she's heading to serve her time, heck, she should think about where she could really be serving her time. She really has no clue how fortunate she is.

[Ghoulish Delight]

She gets to learn a new word. "Consequences"

[Gn2Dlnd]

I heard that in preparation for her time in jail, she's learning karate. And up to seven other Japanese words.

Oh, and Jerry Falwell was a fvcker.

[Not Afraid]

KAWAII!!!!!

She can say that when she's being rammed up the ass with a billy club.

[Not Afraid]

God, I'm in a forgiving mood today!

[Capt Jack]

...you watch the news, you really dont listen, and never read the paper, and really... dont follow current events or politics.

the things I do know about, I know a lot. :p


dont feel bad. Im there with you. :D


if you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed
if you DO read the newspaper, you're misinformed
- Mark Twain

[blueerica]

Haha, if there is a Hell, he's sitting in it. I'm just glad he no longer exists. Unfortunately, death does not undo legacy.

[Morrigoon]

I should learn to keep my mouth shut, but I just totally grave danced on this issue.

[katiesue]

Growing up for some reason my dad had a televangelist thing. He'd watch them on Sundays before sports. He wasn't at all religious so I'm not sure of the appeal. Sometimes to make fun of them and point out their hypocrisy. So I’ve watched hundreds of hours, although I don’t really remember a lot of it. Honestly they always seemed a bit cultish – which most religion is to some extent anyway.

[Isaac]

You people are ignoring the other important new! Paris Hilton (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Paris+Hilton) is "emotionally distraught and traumatized" over her 45-day jail sentence
Al Lutz and I talked about this last week & agreed:

Paris Hilton should work out a deal with Disney to due her jail time on the LuminAria island in California Adventure.

The slogan would be " DCA: That's hot! "

[wendybeth]

We were at breakfast (Denny's, of course) when the news alert came over Eric's phone. The alert said Falwell had collapsed and they were performing CPR on him. We both laughed and resumed eating our breakfast. Then, as we were getting ready to leave, there was another alert announcing his demise. We laughed, did a little grave dancing and left the waitress a big tip.

Just seemed appropriate.

[AllyOops!]

I find nothing more reassuring & comforting then the Book Of Psalms. I find it to be the most useful tool in moments of conflict & doubt (although I need to read my Bible much more & put it into practice.)
Here is some solace:

(Partial Psalm 32)

Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity. For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.

(And by green herb, I seriously doubt that the Almighty Lord is referring to a dimebag of Kush, so for those about to spark up your bong or doob in celebration, settle down. You have a few hours to pass until 4:20.)

;)

[Gemini Cricket]

May some of the intolerance he created die with him.
Good Riddance, Teletubbie hater.

[Nephythys]

So nice to know I can count on people for a certain amount of being hateful human beings.

[Alex]

So nice to know I can count on people for a certain amount of being hateful human beings.

I'm here to serve.

[Kevy Baby]

I'm here to serve.In that case, I am ready to place my order

[Nephythys]

meh-

[Alex]

meh-

Wait until you hear what I have to say when Billy Graham finally kicks it.

[JWBear]

So nice to know I can count on people for a certain amount of being hateful human beings.

All too true. But, at least there is one less hatefull human being in the world now that Falwell is gone.

[Not Afraid]

Some people just deserve to be hated more than others.

[Nephythys]

All too true. But, at least there is one less hatefull human being in the world now that Falwell is gone.

Adding to his hate with more does not make the world less hateful.

I did not like him either- but it makes me sad to see people find glee in someones death.

[Not Afraid]

Adding to his hate with more does not make the world less hateful.

I did not like him either- but it makes me sad to see people find glee in someones death.


There are certain people who really are better off dead - for the good of the rest of us.

He is one of the few people in contemporary society that I can truly say I have felt hate for. I don't hate him any less now that he is dead, I'm just glad he is not longer able to spew any more of his BS from his pulpit.

[Nephythys]

There is no lack of BS spewed in this world

[Kevy Baby]

There is no lack of BS spewed in this worldTrue, but there is now less of it. And that's a good thing.

[Nephythys]

No there is not- there has been more than enough hate and bile spewed out in the last day to more than make up for the occasional stupid thing that man said that made it into the media.

I have no love for him either- but that does not, IMO, make the grave dancing the right thing to do.

Bottom line- just as people have expressed their "hate" as classless and unpleasant as I find it, I am going to state my opinion that it makes people less when they revel in hatred.

[wendybeth]

Just because someone has died does not make them a better person. The man was a creep, and I am not unhappy he's dead. The world is a better place without him.

[CoasterMatt]

Mama says, if you haven't got anything nice to say... you shouldn't say anything at all.

[mousepod]

Feel the love.

I love that his voice was silenced.

I love that even though lots of bad people are out there saying naughty things, one famous mouthpiece of hate speech is gone.

Flowers and rainbows.

Love love love.

[Nephythys]

Just because someone has died does not make them a better person. The man was a creep, and I am not unhappy he's dead. The world is a better place without him.

I don't recall saying death made HIM a better person. I am saying it makes US less to revel and roll around in hatred like it's G-damn daisies on a summer day.

It's distasteful. I felt the same with Anna Nicole died and people were popping happy pills and shredding her.

It's how I feel- no matter the person.

YOU think the world is a better place- but to be blunt- you don't determine for anyone but yourself what makes the world better.

Ya know what's funny- if a liberal died- whose politics and ideals I loathed- I would not do what I have seen here and other places. I wonder what would happen if I did- how much shyt I would get for it. If I ever do, feel free to call me on my double standard- but I find todays displays disgusting.

[wendybeth]

Damn straight- and I determine I am happier in a world without that pompous, self-righteous prick in it.


" Ya know what's funny- if a liberal died- whose politics and ideals I loathed- I would not do what I have seen here and other places. I wonder what would happen if I did- how much shyt I would get for it. If I ever do, feel free to call me on my double standard- but I find todays displays disgusting. __________________"

Whatever. Not buying into this one today. I'm simply too happy to.

[Nephythys]

spiffy- I am glad you find joy in your hate.

Excuse me- I have had enough of the "tolerant" people for the night.

[wendybeth]

Thank God.

(And you thought I wasn't religious!)

[Kevy Baby]

Mama says, if you haven't got anything nice to say... you shouldn't say anything at all.Eh, Fv<k yur mutha!

[Kevy Baby]

I am not happy at the passing of a human being. I am glad that a person who would say these things is now silenced:

If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being.
And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, "You helped this happen."
AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah's chariotters.(I guess he couldn't make up his mind.)
If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth ... We need to pull out all the stops to recruit and train 25 million Americans to become informed pro-moral activists whose voices can be heard in the halls of Congress.
It appears that America's anti-Biblical feminist movement is at last dying, thank God, and is possibly being replaced by a Christ-centered men's movement which may become the foundation for a desperately needed national spiritual awakening.
The Jews are returning to their land of unbelief. They are spiritually blind and desperately in need of their Messiah and Savior.
I do not believe the homosexual community deserves minority status. One's misbehavior does not qualify him or her for minority status. Blacks, Hispanics, women, etc., are God-ordained minorities who do indeed deserve minority status.
We're fighting against humanism, we're fighting against liberalism ... we are fighting against all the systems of Satan that are destroying our nation today ... our battle is with Satan himself.
Billy Graham is the chief servant of Satan.
The ACLU is to Christians what the American Nazi party is to Jews.

[wendybeth]

What a nice man, eh?


Bet he's pissed he missed the Rapture.

[Kevy Baby]

But wait... there's more:

[Vice President Gore] recently praised the lesbian actress who plays 'Ellen' on ABC Television...I believe he may even put children, young people, and adults in danger by his public endorsement of deviant homosexual behavior...Our elected leaders are attempting to glorify and legitimize perversion. People for the American Way, "Hostile Climate", 1998, p.9.Someone must not be afraid to say, 'moral perversion is wrong.' If we do not act now, homosexuals will 'own' America!...If you and I do not speak up now, this homosexual steamroller will literally crush all decent men, women, and children who get in its way...and our nation will pay a terrible price! - People for the American Way, "Hostile Climate," 1997, p.15.I listen to feminists and all these radical gals - most of them are failures. They've blown it. Some of them have been married, but they married some Casper Milquetoast who asked permission to go to the bathroom. These women just need a man in the house. That's all they need. Most of the feminists need a man to tell them what time of day it is and to lead them home. And they blew it and they're mad at all men. Feminists hate men. They're sexist. They hate men - that's their problem.He is purple - the gay-pride colour; and his antenna is shaped like a triangle - the gay-pride symbol.As a Christian I feel that role modelling the gay lifestyle is damaging to the moral lives of children.

[Jughead P. Jones]

I've got a lack of emotion either way to be honest with you. As far as I'm concerned, the "Teletubby" controversy was the only time I ever heard his name...and to be honest with you, I thought he was full of crap!

[alphabassettgrrl]

Adding to his hate with more does not make the world less hateful.

I did not like him either- but it makes me sad to see people find glee in someones death.

You know, that thought was raised earlier on one of my email lists and it kind of shocked me back into myself. Yes, I'm glad he's no longer blabbing hate, but at the same time I get that grave-dancing is maybe not the right reaction.


http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/159/yikershellokittyvader1ot8.jpg

Hehehe... I've seen that before. Makes me giggle.

[Alex]

I don't find glee in his death. If you'd asked me this morning if he should die, I'd have said no, just that he is a horrible human being.

I am not sad or happy he has died, but I do think the world is improved some small amount by his not being in it. By his reckoning he is in a better place. By the reckoning of a lot of people he is now finding out how how wrong he was. By my reckoning he was wrong but will never know it.

I personally don't buy into the notion that strangers need speak only respectfully or not at all of a person when they've died. The passing of a public figure is a moment in time for considering the life of that person. Falwell's was seriously lacking in merit so far as I'm concerned and I'll say so.

Similarly, when Nixon died it did not change my opinion of him, nor when Carter dies will I suddenly wax nostalgic for what a great president he was. And if Chris Columbus dies tomorrow I'll spend the day talking about just what a horrible director of movies he was.

If, on net, your existence was a negative for the planet (in my opinion) then that is how my obitualizing of you will read.

[Strangler Lewis]

Bottom line- just as people have expressed their "hate" as classless and unpleasant as I find it, I am going to state my opinion that it makes people less when they revel in hatred.

Exactly what I said when my client was executed.

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

Long live Larry Flint!

I heard Fallwell had a Hustler in one hand and a bottle of wild Turkey in the other when the found him.... :p

[Tref]

... but I can't help but smile at the thought of newly-deceased Rev. Jerry Falwell waking up tomorrow in Hell.

Indeed.

But I tell you the truth, I would pay for a front-row seat near the gates of Hell on the day the Fred (God Hates ...) Phelps clan arrive for eternal damnation. Probably arriving in their stupid van, thinking they're going to a soldier's funeral or something. Nope, Fred and family -- 'tis Hell. You had the Jesus thing ass-backwards. Have a good day.

Ah, now that would be the spice ...

[SacTown Chronic]

For the record, I'm well aware of who Jerry Falwell is was.

My "who?" post was a joking response to Alex starting a thread asking if we'd heard the one about Falwell dying. Alex started his thread as a larf after three other threads about this glorious event had been started. I only wish I had never heard of Falwell. Now you know.



(Oh yeah, sodomites were the reason for 9/11 -- makes total sense to me.)

[Nephythys]

Thank God.

(And you thought I wasn't religious!)


What the fvck ever.:rolleyes:

[Nephythys]

I don't find glee in his death. If you'd asked me this morning if he should die, I'd have said no, just that he is a horrible human being.

I am not sad or happy he has died, but I do think the world is improved some small amount by his not being in it. By his reckoning he is in a better place. By the reckoning of a lot of people he is now finding out how how wrong he was. By my reckoning he was wrong but will never know it.

I personally don't buy into the notion that strangers need speak only respectfully or not at all of a person when they've died. The passing of a public figure is a moment in time for considering the life of that person. Falwell's was seriously lacking in merit so far as I'm concerned and I'll say so.

Similarly, when Nixon died it did not change my opinion of him, nor when Carter dies will I suddenly wax nostalgic for what a great president he was. And if Chris Columbus dies tomorrow I'll spend the day talking about just what a horrible director of movies he was.

If, on net, your existence was a negative for the planet (in my opinion) then that is how my obitualizing of you will read.

Fine- and that is a damn sight better than the pure hate people were spitting out.

My last observation-
Larry Flynt On Jerry Falwell: Hustler Lawsuit Revisited On Day Of Rival's Death

LYNCHBURG, Va (May 15, 2007) -- The Rev. Jerry Falwell, the folksy, small-town preacher who used the power of television to found the Moral Majority and turn the Christian right into a mighty force in American politics during the Reagan years, died Tuesday at 73.

One of Falwell's most memorable opponents was Hustler kingpin Larry Flynt, who had a very public legal battle with the Reverend over freedom of speech rights.

At the heart of the case was a satirical ad that ran in Hustler in 1983with the headline "Jerry Falwell Talks About His First Time," in which the magazine described a drunken Falwell having an incestuous encounter with his mother.

Falwell sued Flynt (pictured together on "Larry King Live" in 1997), alleging libel and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

Then this-
My mother always told me that no matter how much you dislike a person, when you meet them face to face you will find characteristics about them that you like. Jerry Falwell was a perfect example of that. I hated everything he stood for, but after meeting him in person, years after the trial, Jerry Falwell and I became good friends. He would visit me in California and we would debate together on college campuses. I always appreciated his sincerity even though I knew what he was selling and he knew what I was selling.

http://www.accesshollywood.com/news/ah5356.shtml

People are minimized by hatred. Falwell was, as is anyone else. I hate to see people glory in such a horrible thing.

[Nephythys]

Ok- one more thing - someone else who said it well-

The Passing Of One Who Is Considered As Evil Should Be Looked Upon As An Opportunity.

The passing of one who is considered as evil should be looked upon as an opportunity to squelch the spread of hatred, not an opportunity to wield it.

We all will die. How we are remembered and regarded after we pass is hardly relevant compared to the actions to be judged by while we are alive. There is never nobility in taking joy in the suffering of others. As flawed and misguided as many of his followers are, many of them are suffering if even for the wrong reasons. To a degree, there should be some expected comfort that at least the words of hatred from his mouth have been silenced. But there should also be a desire to let the hatred rest with him while we put forth the power of what decency can do for the world instead.

With each voice of hatred that is silenced, the voices of decency weigh ever greater. To miss that opportunity is to yield a win to the premise of hatred as the scales of hatred grow where the voices of decency should have.

This is not about asking for respect towards him, as I feel he didn't earn it.

This is not about defending him, as his actions while alive were condemnable.

This is not about asking people to forgive him, as he did not ask for such.

This is not about forgetting those things he has spewed to hurt people, since such wounds are still open.

This is about recognizing that even upon one's death who is considered evil, and upon which such tempting opportunity arises to succumb to taking joy in other's suffering because of return hatred, that we can instead do far more by proving our inner core decency towards humanity and even upon their death and even in the face of such temptation of opportunity, remain better than they.

OP by OPERATIONMINDCRIME

[BarTopDancer]

Didn't he also say The Gays were responsible for Katrina and the damage to NO? Or was that the general "sin" of the area?

And to that I always wondered, if NO was damaged because of the "sin" in the area, why in the heck is Vegas still standing? It's nicknamed Sin City!

[Alex]

Fine- and that is a damn sight better than the pure hate people were spitting out.

Perhaps, but when someone spends their entire life completely focused on telling people what will happen after they die and what horrible people they are if they don't agree with him on what will happen at that time, then there is bound to be some speculation as to what is happening to him now that he has died.

Because, by his own belief system, if it turns out he was wrong, then he is most definitely in hell now. If he was right then most of the rest of us are already in hell.

By I don't so much dislike the man for the "occasional stupid thing that man said" as his power waned over the last 20 years but rather for the movement he started 40 years ago. The politicization of the evangelical community is, in my opinion, the worst thing to happen the United States since the end of Jim Crow. And he was a primary promoter of that.

Whether he thought the anti-Christ a Jew is just trivia (and, if you buy into the mythology of the Bible then it strikes me as a perfectly tenable belief).

[Alex]

I believe it was Pat Robertson that blamed NO for the hurricane.

As for the last question, despite all his omnipotence, it is clear that God is a lazy schmuck. It took him a couple centuries to get around to cleansing New Orleans so Vegas is probably safe for another 150 years or so.

Or it could be that Satan outfoxed him by placing Vegas is a tectonically stable area out of range of hurricanes. This will force God into going old school with literal fire and brimstone and he just doesn't roll that way anymore. He's gone ambiguous.

[Kevy Baby]

Fine- and that is a damn sight better than the pure hate people were spitting out.

<snip>

People are minimized by hatred. Falwell was, as is anyone else. I hate to see people glory in such a horrible thing.Just to clarify... are you seeing examples of hatred here on the LoT? If so, would you mind pointing it out, because I have not seen it.

[SacTown Chronic]

God has sent The Trashcan Man to Vegas to burn it down.



God and Randall Flagg are the same guy, right?

[Alex]

I just realized what I wrote above is easily misread as saying that "the end of Jim Crow" was the last worst thing to happen before the politicization of the Evangelical community. Of course, I meant the Jim Crow system was the bad thing and it was ongoing until it ended.

[Alex]

That means the lieutenant on Law & Order: Criminal Intent was god!

[Kevy Baby]

On the September 12 broadcast of the Christian Broadcasting Network's The 700 Club, host Rev. Pat Robertson (http://mediamatters.org/items/200508230006), founder of the Christian Coalition of America and a former Republican presidential candidate, linked Hurricane Katrina and terrorist attacks to legalized abortion.One of many sites with a reference. (http://mediamatters.org/items/200509130004)

Falwell blamed 9/11 on "the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians" [that] had tried to transform America into a secular society.

[Kevy Baby]

...Randall Flagg...Any relation to Fanny Flagg?

[Strangler Lewis]

The notion of a Jerry Falwell/Larry Flynt travelling circus reminds me of the scene from Woody Allen's "Celebrity," where the orthodox rabbi arrives late to the green room of a Jerry Springer-like show where the hate spewers are standing around talking about their agents. The rabbi's first reaction upon walking in is to look at the spread that's put out and complain, "The skinheads always eat all the bagels."

[ozron]

I just realized what I wrote above is easily misread as saying that "the end of Jim Crow" was the last worst thing to happen before the politicization of the Evangelical community. Of course, I meant the Jim Crow system was the bad thing and it was ongoing until it ended.

Thanks for clearing THAT up! I was about to block you!

[JWBear]

Just to clarify... are you seeing examples of hatred here on the LoT? If so, would you mind pointing it out, because I have not seen it.

I second that, Nephy. Where is the hate here?

[BarTopDancer]

Can we take this bitter bitch fest to the parking lot or something?

[innerSpaceman]

Her brother, yes.



(Um, which used to come right after Kevy's question whether Randall was related to Fanny ... before the bitter bitch fest from the Soooo thread was moved here, and intervened chronologically in an otherwise orderly progression of posts and responses.)

[innerSpaceman]

No. The Hell thread is in Daily Grind ... where I'm presuming the "she" being discussed can't post.


A link would have been nice, but please stand by while I go searching for the offending posts by "her."

[Nephythys]

Perhaps, but when someone spends their entire life completely focused on telling people what will happen after they die and what horrible people they are if they don't agree with him on what will happen at that time, then there is bound to be some speculation as to what is happening to him now that he has died.

Because, by his own belief system, if it turns out he was wrong, then he is most definitely in hell now. If he was right then most of the rest of us are already in hell.

By I don't so much dislike the man for the "occasional stupid thing that man said" as his power waned over the last 20 years but rather for the movement he started 40 years ago. The politicization of the evangelical community is, in my opinion, the worst thing to happen the United States since the end of Jim Crow. And he was a primary promoter of that.

Whether he thought the anti-Christ a Jew is just trivia (and, if you buy into the mythology of the Bible then it strikes me as a perfectly tenable belief).

I really appreciate the way you address things. Thanks

[innerSpaceman]

Please move them to the Hell thread .... and, hey, how did you do that???

[Nephythys]

See you in hell, Jerry Falwell

There are certain people who really are better off dead - for the good of the rest of us.

He is one of the few people in contemporary society that I can truly say I have felt hate for. I don't hate him any less now that he is dead, I'm just glad he is not longer able to spew any more of his BS from his pulpit.

Damn straight- and I determine I am happier in a world without that pompous, self-righteous prick in it.


" Ya know what's funny- if a liberal died- whose politics and ideals I loathed- I would not do what I have seen here and other places. I wonder what would happen if I did- how much shyt I would get for it. If I ever do, feel free to call me on my double standard- but I find todays displays disgusting. __________________"

Whatever. Not buying into this one today. I'm simply too happy to. (WB even has thrown in some nastiness for me)

There is self admitted hate here on LoT- let's not pretend otherwise.

I find it distasteful. I can appreciate putting his words and actions into perspective like Kevy did, I can appreciate the rational comments from Alex.

I frankly don't give a shyt about the fact that WB feels some need to personally denigrate me, I can at least respect Lisa for her honesty even if I don't agree.

But for my personal taste I have found the response- here and other places, to only add to the negatve rather than find anything that lifts people up.

[mousepod]

There's an "anti-memorial" planned for next Tuesday in the Castro.

[Alex]

Though a step removed, I do find that just as tasteless as Phelps funerals for gay people.

There is a distinction between acknowledging that the world has one less bad person in it and having a party to celebrate the death of a hated one (which, even if they don't use the word "party" or "celebrate" is what it is).

[Ghoulish Delight]

I'll freely admit to hating the man, and have no qualms or feeling of hypocrisy. It may be the same word, but there's a world of difference in my eyes between the hatefulness I accuse him of (namely encouraging people to hate wide swaths of people based on prejudgment) vs. the hate I've he's engendered from me (hating an individual for the actions for which that individual is responsible).

Homonyms are tricky things.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I agree with you there, Alex.

[wendybeth]

Just in case there's any confusion, I moved the related items out of the Soooo thread and into this more appropriate forum and thread, as things were getting heated.

[Strangler Lewis]

I'll freely admit to hating the man, and have no qualms or feeling of hypocrisy. It may be the same word, but there's a world of difference in my eyes between the hatefulness I accuse him of (namely encouraging people to hate wide swaths of people based on prejudgment) vs. the hate I've he's engendered from me (hating an individual for the actions for which that individual is responsible).

Homonyms are tricky things.

No trickier than heteronyms, which Falwell never understood.

But, seriously, where are the homonyms here?

[innerSpaceman]

Which one of those do we eat at Purim?




GD? Anyone?

[Ghoulish Delight]

No trickier than heteronyms, which Falwell never understood.

But, seriously, where are the homonyms here?As far as I'm concerned, we're talking about two distinct definitions of the word "hate".

[innerSpaceman]

But which tastes better?

[mousepod]

The apricot. Definitely the apricot.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Fig.

[Strangler Lewis]

Prune.

[Kevy Baby]

Fig.Yes, but is it a big fig?

[Not Afraid]

Will all of the Jewish men please stand up. ;)

[SacTown Chronic]

This thread has become an unreadable clusterf*ck.

[Not Afraid]

Any suggestions?

[Isaac]

Yes,

Don't become a TV evangelist!

[Kevy Baby]

This thread has become an unreadable clusterf*ck.Are you surprised that a thread on the LoT turns into a discussion of fruits?

[BarTopDancer]

Any suggestions?

No, but I have some advice.

Sand is not a lubricant.

[Kevy Baby]

No, but I have some advice.

Sand is not a lubricant.Having the unfortunate chance to learn that lesson first "hand", just reading that made me double over in pain.

[Snowflake]

Are you surprised that a thread on the LoT turns into a discussion of fruits?

No, and I'm surprised it's not a discussion now of (1) shoes, (2) boobs or (3) the merits of good bacon.

[Not Afraid]

Don't forget tacos and packages.

[innerSpaceman]

Tee Hee, there's a Pink Taco opening within a block of my office in July! Can't wait!

[Kevy Baby]

Don't forget tacos ...Speaking of that, where is Nirvanaman?

[Strangler Lewis]

No, but I have some advice.

Sand is not a lubricant.

You need to switch mechanics.

[Alex]

Out of curiosity since there seems to have been some deep communal psychological need to do so.

Why did you all wait until the conversation was moved to the appropriate place to try and derail it?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Hey look, a balloon!

(I think it was because it was going to quickly devolve into a discussion of moderating policy. If anyone wants to discuss that be my guest, but it bores me)

[BarTopDancer]

Hey look, a balloon!

Reminds me of a joke.

How many ADD kids does it take to change a lightbulb?

[innerSpaceman]

I don't think there was a conscious decision to derail. I just saw an opportunity for a Purim joke, and I took it.* The thread devolved from there, but anyone's free to discuss the life and times and eternal damnation of Jerry.







*Opportunities for Purim jokes don't grow on trees, ya know.

[Alex]

How many ADD kids does it take to change a lightbulb?

One. Because if you beat anybody enough they'll be able to focus through simple tasks.

[Kevy Baby]

One. Because if you beat anybody enough they'll be able to focus through simple tasks.You get me in a LoT of trouble with posts like this.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Clusterfig.

As for the examples of hate shown on the board, I myself called Dead Jerry Falwell a "turd" and a "fvcker." Dead Jerry Falwell was the founder of the Moral Majority, an intolerant aand hateful group of people if ever there was one. Dead Jerry Falwell's many hateful quotes have been catalogued here already. Honestly, Nephy, the man verbally attacked (and probably inspired more than a few physical attacks) the very people you spend your vacations with. Can you even imagine the bile he would have spewed regarding your attendance at a Wiccan wedding ceremony?
A couple of years ago, when visiting my grandmother in Joplin, MO, my brother, my mother, and I went to church with grandma. Since it was Mother's Day, grandma thought we should go to her other daughter's church so we could all be together. The Church At The End Of The Paved Road (not it's real name) was pleasant enough, surrounded by cow pastures, and at least a 20 minute walk from the highway. It wasn't long before a typical midwest thunderstorm kicked in to add atmospheric value to the proceedings. The pulpit's Mother's Day message consisted mostly of slams at Rosie O'Donnell's recent adoptions, that horrible woman Hillary Clinton, and digs at Ellen "Degenerate." I sh!t you not. For 30 minutes I had to sit quietly and listen to hate and venom spewing from this idiot's mouth. At the end of the service, my brother passed close to me and said brightly, "I feel for ya!" At that moment I needed that bit of levity. Now, for anyone reading this, you might think, "Why didn't you go out to the lobby and wait? Or go get a Starbucks? Or anything?" We were sitting about dead center of the (quonset hut) sanctuary, had I gone to the lobby, 2 or 3 of the helpful farm folk would have accompanied me to "make sure I was okay." Any conversation would have turned bad quickly. Oh, and the church was in the middle of nowhere, and there was that thunderstorm. Better to sit and bite my tongue.
It was a little later that I found out we had not gone to my grandma's regular church, but, more than likely for my benefit, to a church where she knew I'd get an earful. I have no tolerance for the likes of Falwell, Phelps, or any of their ilk. While I would not hold a gun to his head, and I'd probably help him out of the way of a speeding bus, I certainly think its swell that Dead Jerry Falwell is dead. Hip-hip-hooray!!!!

As for the anti-funeral, not the same as the Phelps klan showing up AT and disrupting funerals they haven't been invited to.

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

My little niece took a big smelly crap in her dipper and it somehow reminded me of this thread.

:p

[Ghoulish Delight]

As for the anti-funeral, not the same as the Phelps klan showing up AT and disrupting funerals they haven't been invited to.

As Alex said, and I agree with, it is removed from that. But it's not far enough removed from it for me to be particularly fond of the idea.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Well, pick a public figure who is constantly and loudly anti-Jewish, and consider the same circumstances.

[Kevy Baby]

Honestly, Nephy, the man verbally attacked (and probably inspired more than a few physical attacks) the very people you spend your vacations with.Since it appears that Nephy cannot post in this thread (I am speculating by her comments in the "Soo..." thread and her lack of posting here), I don't believe any comments directed to her would be appropriate here.

As for the anti-funeral, not the same as the Phelps klan showing up AT and disrupting funerals they haven't been invited to.I haven't read details on the plans for the Anti Funeral, but if any of it includes a disruption of the Falwell funeral, then it is EXACTLY the same - and it is bullshyte.

But even a get-together celebrating anyone's death is, in my opinion, crude and ill-advised. People have a right to do so, but I think it is in extremely poor taste. I hated the crap that Falwell (and his ilk) perpetuated and I am happy that his voice is silenced (although I suspect that nature will fill this vacuum in a possibly even worse way), but I am not happy at the death of a person.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Well, pick a public figure who is constantly and loudly anti-Jewish, and consider the same circumstances.I still wouldn't participate in public near-literal grave dancing (Yassir Arafat ring a bell?).

[Not Afraid]

While i am happy his rhetoric will cease, I'm not willing to spend my time "celebrating" his death. He's not worth it.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Is Yassir Arafat influencing anti-Jewish social policy in America? You and Jen are married, right?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Is Yassir Arafat influencing anti-Jewish social policy in America? You and Jen are married, right?Umm, I don't particularly want to get into a "who's more persecuted" discussion. I will simply stand by my statement. I have no problem expressing my hatred for someone I find hateful, but I find it distasteful to organize a public celebration of their death.

[Gn2Dlnd]

After reading my last post I realized I should dial it down a little. In no way can I compare Falwell and ant-gay sentiment to genocidal world leaders.

That said, not only am I happy to celebrate the death of a horrible person, but, if I should ever find myself in the vicinity of his actual grave, I will gladly piss on it.

[innerSpaceman]

Well, pick a public figure who is constantly and loudly anti-Jewish, and consider the same circumstances.
Or perhaps, consider the circumcision. ;)

[mousepod]

What about just one verse and chorus of "Ding! Dong! The Witch is Dead."?

[Kevy Baby]

OK, but shouldn't we change the lyrics to "Tinkie! Winkie! The Witch is Dead"?

[JWBear]

My... You've all been busy whill I've been working! ;)

[BarTopDancer]

How many ADD kids does it take to change a lightbulb?

Wanna go ride bikes?

[Morrigoon]

My little niece took a big smelly crap in her dipper and it somehow reminded me of this thread.

:p
If your niece has a "dipper", she might be your nephew... I'd get that looked at ;)

[Scrooge McSam]

The man? Glad we won't be hearing any more crap from him. Not in a "Damn, crack open a bottle of wine" way... more like a "Cool, I don't have to do laundry this weekend" kinda way. Won't miss him. Didn't spend any time thinking about him anyway, except when forced. I wrote that guy off back in college when I believed.

Celebrations? Ick! What kind of society are we becoming?

[innerSpaceman]

Well, as ridiculous as the Ozians were portrayed in "Wicked" for their ding-dong celebrations ... I rather lean towards "The Wizard of Oz" where those who were harmed or oppressed by the Wicked Witch of the East were rightful (not to mention entertaining) in breaking out into song and dance to rejoice at her demise.


As a gay man, a liberal, a secularist and a feminist ... a hearty chorus of "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" is exactly the dance I'm going to do .... but I'll stop short of doing it on the man's grave, marring his funeral rights, or dancing in the face of grieving loved ones.

Here on the LoT, though, I don't imagine much love lost at the loss of Jerry Fallwell ... and he does not deserve to fall well, but far.





.

[Gemini Cricket]

You see the face on the TV screen
coming at you every Sunday
see that face on the billboard
that man is me

On the cover of the magazine
there's no question why I'm smiling
you buy a piece of paradise
you buy a piece of me

I'll get you everything you wanted
I'll get you everything you need
don't need to believe in hereafter
just believe in me

Cos Jesus he knows me
and he knows I'm right
I've been talking to Jesus all my life
oh yes he knows me
and he knows I'm right
and he's been telling me
everything is alright

I believe in the family
with my ever loving wife beside me
but she don't know about my girlfriend
or the man I met last night

Do you believe in God
cos that's what I'm selling
and if you wanna get to heaven
I'll see you right

You won't even have to leave your house
or get outta your chair
you don't even have to touch that dial
cos I'm everywhere

And Jesus he knows me
and he knows I'm right
I've been talking to Jesus all my life
oh yes he knows me
and he knows I'm right
well he's been telling me
everything's gonna be alright

Won't find me practising what I'm preaching
won't find me making no sacrifice
but I can get you a pocketful of miracles
if you promise to be good, try to be nice
God will take good care of you
just do as I say, don't do as I do

I'm counting my blessings,
I've found true happiness
cos I'm getting richer, day by day
you can find me in the phone book,
just call my toll free number
you can do it anyway you want
just do it right away

There'll be no doubt in your mind
you'll believe everything I'm saying
if you wanna get closer to him
get on your knees and start paying

Cos Jesus he knows me
and he knows I'm right
I've been talking to Jesus all my life
oh yes he knows me
and he knows I'm right
well he's been telling me
everything's gonna be alright, alright

Jesus he knows me
Jesus he knows me, you know...

[FEJ]

No hatred here. While I didn't like his tactics, He had just as much right to speak his mind as we do here. Even Larry Flint and him had an admiration for one another. (they would often travel and debate at colleges).

"The Reverend Jerry Falwell and I were arch enemies for fifteen years. We became involved in a lawsuit concerning First Amendment rights and Hustler magazine. Without question, this was my most important battle – the l988 Hustler Magazine, Inc., v. Jerry Falwell case, where after millions of dollars and much deliberation, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled in my favor.

My mother always told me that no matter how much you dislike a person, when you meet them face to face you will find characteristics about them that you like. Jerry Falwell was a perfect example of that. I hated everything he stood for, but after meeting him in person, years after the trial, Jerry Falwell and I became good friends. He would visit me in

California and we would debate together on college campuses. I always appreciated his sincerity even though I knew what he was selling and he knew what I was selling.

The most important result of our relationship was the landmark decision from the Supreme Court that made parody protected speech, and the fact that much of what we see on television and hear on the radio today is a direct result of my having won that now famous case which Falwell played such an important role in."Source: accesshollywood.com (http://www.accesshollywood.com/news/ah5356.shtml)

I like the quote in bold.

Honestly, I have not thought of Falwell in years, neither alive nor dead. While he did nothing for me, and even frustrated me with his views at times, he definitely touched many lives and enriched them.

R.I.P Jerry only you know if you were right.

[JWBear]

I heard on the radio this morning the Phelps clan is planning on protesting at Falwell’s funeral… :rolleyes:

[Gn2Dlnd]

I heard on the radio this morning the Phelps clan is planning on protesting at Falwell’s funeral… :rolleyes:

I hope the motorcycle guys sit this one out.

[Tref]

Christopher Hitchens talks Falwell with Hannity, Colmes and Reed


http://youtube.com/watch?v=doKkOSMaTk4

[Morrigoon]

Is this thread still going?

Falwell's death is like, SO last Tuesday.

[Tref]

Is this thread still going?

Falwell's death is like, SO last Tuesday.

That would put Falwell in Hell for nearly 48 hours. I wonder if he is still going through orientation?

[€uroMeinke]

Won't be celebrating, won't be missing him either - sad truth is there's legions just like him who continue his works.

[Gemini Cricket]

More Hitchens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfw7hUEujUw)

[Alex]

I agree with Hitchens but if you aren't familiar with his views, he is pretty much as vitriolic about any religion and religious position.

[wendybeth]

Right on. Thanks, GC!

[NickO'Time]

Audios to just another politician. Won't miss the scumbag one bit.

BUH bye.

[Gn2Dlnd]

"Oui, madame, I understand you are on ze diet, but ze chef, he inseest on TWO cherries. Bon appetit!"

From Ann Coulter (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20753)-

Let me be the first to say: I ALWAYS agreed with the Rev. Falwell.

Actually, there was one small item I think Falwell got wrong regarding his statement after 9/11 that "the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians -- who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle -- the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.'"

First of all, I disagreed with that statement because Falwell neglected to specifically include Teddy Kennedy and "the Reverend" Barry Lynn.

Second, Falwell later stressed that he blamed the terrorists most of all, but I think that clarification was unnecessary. The necessary clarification was to note that God was at least protecting America enough not to allow the terrorists to strike when a Democrat was in the White House.

From Betty Bowers (http://www.bettybowers.com/nl_may2007.html) (whose comments I have been most eagerly anticipating)-

After Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robertson, Ted Haggard, Jerry Falwell and sundry other greedy frauds, it's a wonder the Lord hasn't pulled the licenses on all of His American franchises. But the 2,000-or-so-year delay in the perennially postponed Second Coming (to say nothing of sitting out that whole Holocaust thing) proves that the Lord is in no particular rush to do much of anything. Nevertheless, even the laziest deity must grow increasingly exercised (and trigger happy) in the face of someone devoting his entire life to giving that God a bad name. So, let's face it: when the Jerry said the Lord had revealed to him that he was living in the Final Days, a follow-up question for more specifics might not have been remiss.

...

As for the final destination on Jerry's journey, well, who amongst us mortals is to say for sure? Well, me, of course. Indeed, I performed a fairly reliable exercise in prognostication during lunch, almost more out of genuine curiosity than any anticipatory gloating. I had my help try squeezing a mildly anorexic camel through the eye of a generously wide needle (I am, if nothing, a fair woman when wishing ill on others). Alas, the results of this messy undertaking did not bode well for dear Jerry.

So close to Jesus, I toyed with telling Jerry, "That's enough bacon, dear" the day before,

Mrs. Betty Bowers

America's Best Christian

[Gn2Dlnd]

"Zut alor! I have meesed ze nuts!"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/gn2dlnd/westborofalwell-1.jpg

"*pop* C'est perfect! N'est pas?"

[Kevy Baby]

Wow






Just
Wow

[Ghoulish Delight]

While I appreciate this grand bit of irony that proves what a ridiculous self-feeding spiral of hate evangelism/zealotry is, the thought of these assholes compounding people's grief by disrupting a funeral, no matter whose funeral it is, still makes me ill.

[Morrigoon]

Okay, now I feel bad for his family (well, I kinda did before, but I really do now).

OTOH, damn I love irony. He's too liberal for them???????? Oh wait, they're just mad because he disapproved of them, buahahahah!

[innerSpaceman]

This gets better and better.


Sorry, but when your loved one is a lightning bolt for controvery, you have a private burial. Better yet, cremation with secret sprinking of ashes.

[Alex]

Does that go for prominent gay activists? Who are also lightning bolts for controversy, just controversy we disagree with?

[innerSpaceman]

No, I think it goes for all controversial corpses, if the loved ones wish to have a dignified burial. Private and secret.