Man are my cheeks sore - NEMO Spoilers ahead

[Kevy Baby]

I didn't realize that hose was so long...

I am going to write all about the new Nemo Subs ride. There will be significant spoilers, so if you don't wanna know, stop reading. Go away. Go read the Soooo.... thread from start to finish.

So, I was lucky enough to be accompany Plumenom on the CM preview of Nemo this evening. I was a good boy and followed the no photos rule on the ride - sorry :(

As opposed to "open" CM previews of the past, this one had tickets to a specific day and time. If you missed your window (15 minutes!) you were SOL. Needless to say, we were there well before our alloted 7:00 appointment. CM previews run through next Wednesday I believe. I suspect that there will be a lot of soft openings in the next 10 days.

As you may already know, the queue is mostly in front of and under the Monorail loading platform. I am not sure where the entrance to the Monorail is; in retrospect, I should have done a little more scouting on that detail. However, I can say that the speed ramp that used to be the entrance to the Monorail is now gone.

Being as this was a CM preview, I cannot accurately gauge how long the lines (time-wise) will actually be. Also, being as the queue is out in the open and is almost all switch-backs, there is no themeing in the queue.

However, there are three animatronic seagulls on a buoy in the lagoon. Not too animated, not too cartoony, and not too realistic. Just enough to give you a taste of what to expect on the ride attraction.

One side note on the major leak that they created during construction. You may recall that there was not time to properly replace the pipe that they tore into. So they built an external bypass pipe (about 12" in diameter) that runs along the bottom of the Monorail loading platform, hanging right over the Sub loading area. I guess it looked real bad when first installed, but once it was painted the same marine grey of the loading area and they painted "sea water supply pipe" on it, it actually fits in.

They have the loading/unloading area set up so that they can load/unload three subs simultaneously. As before, the subs are loaded from both ends. As was noted elsewhere, there are now more seats (40) in each sub due to the change from diesel to electric motors (and I am really impressed that they figured out how to run electric rails under water!). Unfortunately, the individual seats are (still?) VERY narrow. Had there not been a couple of open seats on our end, we would have been quite uncomfortably cramped. FWIW, we loaded through the rear of the sub and sat on the starboard (right) side of the sub.

But the reason we had open seats is that the Nautilus leaks :eek:. Water was coming in through the rear hatch when we went under the waterfalls. When we were getting on the sub, an engineer was applying some foam gaskets and then rode along with us with a flashlight to check things out. I'm sure that they will have these types of bugs worked out by June 11.

The ventilation in the subs is good. I cannot give an honest comparison to the subs of old, but I did not feel stuffy in there as I remember from before.

The new uniforms are well done (yes, I know they are "costumes", but in this case, uniforms is a much better description). It is a typical marine/nautical motif of a white shirt with blue and orange accents with blue slacks. The uniforms are the same for men and women but looked good on both. One female CM we spoke with said it was the first gender common costume that she wore that she still felt like a girl in. I took a picture, but Photoshop isn't working on my computer and I think it best not to post a 36" picture.

So what about the actual ride you ask?

Well, my escort counted seven "WOW"'s from me and one "that was really cool."

The aforementioned three sub load causes a little bit of a delay in getting out of the loading area if there is any delay in the lead sub (which there was with us). So we got to stare at the barnacle covered walls for a while. Hopefully this bug will be sorted out quickly.

Once we left the station, we of course we immediately dove (through the bubbles apparent from the outside), though I didn't hear the depth. The underwater visuals in the lagoon are really well done with several of the colorful fish from Nemo hidden in nooks and crannies - not too many, just a few to catch your attention. There is also a diver exploring the ruins which have recently been exposed due to the recent volcanic activity in the area (as explained by the prerecorded narrator). There were a few other odds and ends around the lagoon - overall: well done.

One thing about the lagoon portion of the excursion: I wonder how much of it will be visible on a night-time run. Since we rode before the sun set, we had a pretty good view. I am not sure if there are lights for the night (though I suspect that there is).

Soon we passed under the first waterfall, which now comes earlier than the old sub ride due to the lengthening of tunnel.

I will start by saying that if there is a story line, I did not follow it, but that would be mainly because I was too wrapped up in the visuals and general audio design. I am sure the story line (if any besides "finding Nemo") will become more apparent as I get a few rides under my belt.

As a sound nut, I was impressed with the audio design. There are several semi-isolated sound zones on the sub. Instead of having voices or localized audio hitting the entire sub at once, they have wisely sequenced the sound so that you hear the character as your window passes by it. You can hear the character talking the whole time, but they have created a simulated Doppler effect where (in our case at the end of the sub), you could hear the voice getting louder as you approach the character (and quieter as we left).

Speaking of characters, if the Marlin character was not done by Albert Brooks, then they have found a voice artist that sounds just like him! However, I do not believe the Dory voice was done by Ellen DeGeneres nor do I believe that Gill was Willem Defoe. As for the other voices, I am not sure.

WARNING - this is where the main spoilers kick in!

One of the main new features of the ride is how the characters are displayed. Most of the fish are shown as animated projections. That's right - projections. Bright, colorful, animated 3D like projections. I am not sure exactly how they did it, but dang it is good!

Dory and Marlin are seen repeatedly throughout the adventure, with other regulars popping up frequently. (I'm really starting to get tired as I write this and my memory is fading, so I am not sure how good the rest of this will be.)

Another one of the cool effects are the bubbles. They come in different colors! I am sure it is just the lighting, but it is really well done IMO.

The Jellyfish. The Jellyfish are freakin' awesome! Dory is bouncing off of a couple of them and the animatronics of this are incredible. The jellyfish light up as well. Not too much, but very well done

Later in the adventure, there is an explosion (yes, the sub shakes a little!)and a lava flow. The lava flow is VERY cool. It is another projection effect, but it is multi-layered (I think) and the 3D effect is superb. One improvement I would have made to this scene was to add bubbles where the hot lava hits the cold water.

(OK, I am really fading fast.)

The last element I can recall is that we end up inside a whale ("Hmm... it smells like whale"). At least I think that is what happens.

So, sorry for the poor TR here. Hopefully, someone can write something better soon. Kevy got nighty now.

[Morrigoon]

Nice! Pretty consistent with the predictions that it would be like the Nemo ride in EPCOT, only better :)

[NickO'Time]

Sounds like a great time indeed, thanks for the info Kevy.

[Moonliner]

Thanks! That report was very well done! I was able to skim the functional details without reading the spoilers. :snap:

I shall come back to this thread after I have the chance to ride it myself.

[thecorndogwalker]

thanks for the spoilers.. sounds fun

[Gemini Cricket]

I can't wait!
:)

Mega-positive reviews for this one so far. It looks like a winner!

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

Thanks Kevy! Can't wait!

[Not Afraid]

COOL! Now if only I had won an AP preview. :(

[Tref]

Kevy got nighty now.

Indeed.

[DreadPirateRoberts]

which cheeks?

[RStar]

which cheeks?

Hard seats, huh?

Thanks Kevy, it sounds great!:snap:

I was hoping for an email informing me of winning the AP lottery os well. Oh well, soon.........

[sleepyjeff]

Thanks for the preview SleepyKevy;)

[Gn2Dlnd]

Went to the park this afternoon, stopped with a friend to watch people previewing the subs, and, after a friendly conversation with a CM, were escorted onto the attraction! Our ride was after dark, so I'll second everything Kevy said and add that the night time lighting in the lagoon is spectacular. At one point I turned to my friend and said, "I may burst into tears at any moment," the coral reef is that beautiful.
The dialogue is back and forth between a male skipper and a female navigator, some of the dialogue echoes the original narration. Of course now, when they say that with our sonar hydrophones we can hear the fish talk, we actually hear them talk. To each other. In English! This does lead to the odd situation of an on-board script that comments on some of what we're seeing, but doesn't interact with the script for the animated characters. I think this could be tightened up.
As with any dress rehearsal, some elements of the show weren't in their final form - no waterfalls for our trip, one scene was not lit, and a very interesting crab with no top shell - RoboCrab!
Still, what an unexpected treat, I made sure to give a guest compliment to the CM at City Hall.

The Commodore gives Disney Pixar Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage two toots! He gives the ungainly title of the attraction only 1/2 a toot.

[Mary Blairiffic]

OOOOOH! Thanks so much for the info! I'm going on June 18-19 and cannot wait!!:snap:

[Sub la Goon]

I was lucky enough to go last night (twice!) thanks to a CM friend with an extra ticket. Also ran into Gn2Dlnd on PLaTSI and later outside after Park closing!

STOP READING HERE IF YOU DON'T WANT SPOILERS!



My only qualm with the ride has to be with the video elements. Call me a purist or Old Skool but I like real live 3D animatronics. The sets were astounding and there were many "real" characters but the video elements were a little too reminiscent of the little show scenes in the Autopia line or the screens at the Mission Tortilla Factory. Only on a much bigger scale! The erupting volcano effect with several characters and lava and bubbles was incredibly impressive. I feel like a heel mentioning anything negative about this great attraction, considering I didn't have to wait even 15 minutes to get on either time. But this is just a little niggling feeling I had to voice to all y'all because I am a nit-picky little bastard.

All-in-all: GREAT SHOW!

[Kevy Baby]

OOOOOH! Thanks so much for the info! I'm going on June 18-19 and cannot wait!!:snap:Me thinks that to ride Nemo on those dates, you'll be doing a LOT of waiting ;)

[Disneykat]

Kev, thanks for the awesome description of this ride (I will not be riding till next year). I cannot wait to see pictures and video!!!!

[Kevy Baby]

As mentioned in my OP, I was unable to take pictures of the ride itself. However, I did snap a couple of photos outside (http://homepage.mac.com/kelder/PhotoAlbum13.html). Sorry for the sideways photos - my Photoshop is FUBAR.

[Mary Blairiffic]

Me thinks that to ride Nemo on those dates, you'll be doing a LOT of waiting ;)

Yeah, I know. I'm hoping that, as we're staying at the DLH, our early park entry will at least help the matter a teensy bit. But I've got my SPF nose stick already...

[RStar]

I'm not sure why they are spending money on advertising when they know that they will not be able to put through 1/4 of the people wanting to go on the ride each day. Kinda lame if you ask me. Let the local fans and APs get it out of their systems first, then start the ads....

[belleh5]

Thanks for the info Kevy!! I can't wait unitl next month :D

[RStar]

Any one here lucky enough to win th AP lotery, and going this week?

[AllyOops!]

which cheeks?

Well, if he gets everything in life the way that I do, my guess is that he's referring to his facial cheeks. Lots of hose action makes 'em way sore in the beginning. However, if he's really like me and has his eye on the big prize, he'll sacrifice his other cheeks as well. Everybody knows that using all inputs equals all the best attraction previews at Disneyland. I mean, DUH!

Judge all you want, but strong jaws and loose ethics has served me quite well.






;) :p :D you had better know that I'm kidding!!!

[Kevy Baby]

;) :p :D you had better know that I'm kidding!!!Bummer. I was going to see what I could scrounge up that might be of value to you.

[AllyOops!]

Bummer. I was going to see what I could scrounge up that might be of value to you.

WHOA! Items of value, you say? Hmmm... You have no idea what I'll do for a bearded dragon! Let's just say it involves 5 sets of chopsticks (the wooden, slivery kind), a child's plastic wading pool filled with Cool Whip, a naked store-front window mannequin (preferably with detachable limbs- you'll see why this is an important fact later in the evening), buckets, and I mean buckets of strawberry kiwi Astroglide and lastly, lots and lots of shaved tennis balls. Also, you are welcome to bring some friends but please, leave your morals behind.

You won't want them when I bring out the vaseline & shotgun.

;) :p :D

[Gn2Dlnd]

You won't want them when I bring out the vaseline & shotgun.

;) :p :D


:eek:

I think I just went Gay again!

[Snowflake]

WHOA! Items of value, you say? Hmmm... You have no idea what I'll do for a bearded dragon! Let's just say it involves 5 sets of chopsticks (the wooden, slivery kind), a child's plastic wading pool filled with Cool Whip, a naked store-front window mannequin (preferably with detachable limbs- you'll see why this is an important fact later in the evening), buckets, and I mean buckets of strawberry kiwi Astroglide and lastly, lots and lots of shaved tennis balls. Also, you are welcome to bring some friends but please, leave your morals behind.

You won't want them when I bring out the vaseline & shotgun.

;) :p :D

I think this calls for a tarty mojo for Ally.

[Gemini Cricket]

Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage Secrets and Facts
Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage opened on June 11, 2007.
The Tomorrowland attraction originally opened as the Submarine Voyage in 1959, along with the Matterhorn Bobsleds and the Disneyland Monorail as part of a major Disneyland expansion.
The Submarine Voyage closed in 1998 and remained closed for 9 years before reopening with a Finding Nemo theme as Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage.
Disney Imagineers worked with Pixar animators to create the underwater scenes in Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage.
Disneyland's Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage follows the same track as the original Submarine Voyage.
For the new attraction, the submarines were converted from diesel to fully electric. Two additional seats were also added to each of the attraction's eight submarines to increase capacity.
Several of the voice actors from the original "Finding Nemo" movie reprise their roles in Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage.
Composer Ed Kalnins wrote music that reflects the original Thomas Newman score from the "Finding Nemo" movie.
To keep the intense colors in the attraction from fading in the Southern California sunlight, Disney Imagineers developed a new technique of "painting" with recycled glass, which will remain vibrant much longer in the sun. More than 30 tons of the recycled glass was used in 40 different shades to bring color to the coral reefs and underwater scenes. Color shades included Mango Mud, Phantom, and Yamber (a color between yam and amber).
There are 126 animatronic figures, 180 still figures, 10,000 plants, and 23,000 pieces of artificial coral in Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage.
The original Submarine Lagoon held 9 million gallons of water. With Finding Nemo makeover, the lagoon now holds 6.3 million gallons of water.
The long-standing urban legend that the Submarine Lagoon could never been drained because it would cause the nearby Matterhorn to collapse was put to rest during Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage's construction, which required the lagoon to be drained for many months.
References to the original Submarine Voyage include the old sea serpent as well as the old mermaids that used to appear in the original attraction's show scenes.The Submarine Voyage Secrets and Facts
The Submarine Voyage opened in 1959.
The submarines were originally grey in color. However, in the 1980s, they were repainted bright yellow and orange to theme them to an oceanographic research organization.

[AllyOops!]

Okay, I don't do tricks with vaseline and shotguns. Good golly, y'all! Just vaseline & twirling batons of fire. Puh-leeze! I have some klass, ya know!

:p

Now, for reals, My tricks are left in my magical, monogomous bag, only for my boyfriend to see. I'm his sexual Felix.

(Felix that magical cat with his magical bag o' tricks... ;) )

Okay! Back to Subs n' stuff before I creep out LoT members one by one with my open sexuality & freaky ribald jokes & shenanigans. I think I'm scaring some posters away. :(

[Kevy Baby]

Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage Secrets and Facts
The Submarine Voyage closed in 1998 and remained closed for 9 years before reopening with a Finding Nemo theme as Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage.Thank you Paul Pressler :mad:

Several of the voice actors from the original "Finding Nemo" movie reprise their roles in Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage.Yes, but which ones?

To keep the intense colors in the attraction from fading in the Southern California sunlight, Disney Imagineers developed a new technique of "painting" with recycled glass, which will remain vibrant much longer in the sun. More than 30 tons of the recycled glass was used in 40 different shades to bring color to the coral reefs and underwater scenes. Color shades included Mango Mud, Phantom, and Yamber (a color between yam and amber).That's cool!

The original Submarine Lagoon held 9 million gallons of water. With Finding Nemo makeover, the lagoon now holds 6.3 million gallons of water.Where the heck did 30% of capacity go?!?
The long-standing urban legend that the Submarine Lagoon could never been drained because it would cause the nearby Matterhorn to collapse was put to rest during Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage's construction, which required the lagoon to be drained for many months.But now there is the new question of what to do when you sever a major watery artery.

[€uroMeinke]

Where the heck did 30% of capacity go?

Global warming - they no longer contain the polar ice cap

[Gemini Cricket]

Yes, but which ones?
Every other one.
Where the heck did 30% of capacity go?!?
Detroit.



:D

[Gn2Dlnd]

Where the heck did 30% of capacity go?!?

You've been on the ride, are you sure you don't know? I'm not being coy, but I wonder if you didn't notice something, and, if you didn't, then I think you'll be more impressed by the attraction than you already are.

[lashbear]

You've been on the ride, are you sure you don't know? I'm not being coy, but I wonder if you didn't notice something, and, if you didn't, then I think you'll be more impressed by the attraction than you already are.

Can someone PM me, and let me know what this might be ? I won't be going on the subs anytime soon :(

[Nephythys]

Can someone PM me, and let me know what this might be ? I won't be going on the subs anytime soon :(

Ditto- I won't be there for months (with any luck) I would love to know the answer-

[DreadPirateRoberts]

You've been on the ride, are you sure you don't know? I'm not being coy, but I wonder if you didn't notice something, and, if you didn't, then I think you'll be more impressed by the attraction than you already are.

Didn't they build a new show section? right before the entrance to the original show building? That would displace some water.

[Kevy Baby]

Didn't they build a new show section? right before the entrance to the original show building? That would displace some water.That would be my only speculation, but I cannot see how that displaced so much capacity.

Possibly the way they did the new attractions inside contribute to the capacity loss.

Otherwise, I have no clue.

[RStar]

My guess is displacement. New show building (though flodded), the glass cubes that house the show elements are full of air, new coral walls, ect.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Psst-

A lot of scenes are dry for wet - throughout a lot of the show building you're not traveling through "liquid space" at all!

Do not click if your sense of Disney Magic is fragile. Ooh, look over there! Tinkerbell!

[lashbear]

Psst-

A lot of scenes are dry for wet - throughout a lot of the show building you're not traveling through "liquid space" at all!

Do not click if your sense of Disney Magic is fragile. Ooh, look over there! Tinkerbell!

I see !!

So do you go through a big squeegee under the waterfall ? How do they exclude the water in the show building - or is there still a certain amount of water between you and the show scenes (I imagine the glass walls are close to the sub, thus keeping sets dry and easier to maintain.)

[Gn2Dlnd]

Having only been on it once, I'm not sure where the transition(s) occur, but the effect is seamless. I'm guessing that all the water dripping off the subs gets recycled through the floor back into the lagoon, but I'm pretty sure that there's no water at all in many of the scenes. Very clever lighting does the job. Could be that the subs pass through a big car wash blow-dryer during one of the noisier scenes.

Hey look, a duck with no pants!

[Kevy Baby]

How do you do bubbles in a dry environment since most of the scenes have bubbles or transition in or out through a bubble screen.Look. Up in the sky. A dead bird.

[Sub la Goon]

From what I can tell:

The subs are always in water but when you go through the show scenes, you are looking through the water outside your porthole and then another piece of glass in front of the scenes themselves. You don't see the building glass because it is so close to you and the seams are integrated so well. So, it's kind of like being in a flume ride but looking out from beneath the water's surface and through a clear wall.

And that's the real Disney magic!

Nothing to see here.

[Morrigoon]

Wow, so Tinkerbell is murdering seagulls and dropping them on unsuspecting guests?

[Sub la Goon]

Look who I found:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/PEZZ_Lightyear/100_4687.jpg

[Kevy Baby]

Oh so many comments available, but I shall defer for now.

[Gn2Dlnd]

After looking at that picture, maybe it's me displacing all that water.

I swear, I've got to go on an all lettuce diet or something.

Oh, Kevy, defer this. :p

[CoasterMatt]

but no Kuka magic... :(

[Gemini Cricket]

Waitaminute...
It's not Kevy's face cheeks that are sore from say smiling, it's his ass cheeks that are sore from sitting in small sub seats.
I get it now... 50 posts later.
:D

[SacTown Chronic]

I thought Kevy's sore cheeks had to do with fulfilling a promise made in 500 words or less to Plumenom.

[Plumenom]

Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage Secrets and Facts
Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage opened on June 11, 2007.



The Tomorrowland attraction originally opened as the Submarine Voyage in 1959, along with the Matterhorn Bobsleds and the Disneyland Monorail as part of a major Disneyland expansion.
The Submarine Voyage closed in 1998 and remained closed for 9 years before reopening with a Finding Nemo theme as Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage.
Disney Imagineers worked with Pixar animators to create the underwater scenes in Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage.
Disneyland's Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage follows the same track as the original Submarine Voyage.
For the new attraction, the submarines were converted from diesel to fully electric. Two additional seats were also added to each of the attraction's eight submarines to increase capacity.
Several of the voice actors from the original "Finding Nemo" movie reprise their roles in Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage.
Composer Ed Kalnins wrote music that reflects the original Thomas Newman score from the "Finding Nemo" movie.
To keep the intense colors in the attraction from fading in the Southern California sunlight, Disney Imagineers developed a new technique of "painting" with recycled glass, which will remain vibrant much longer in the sun. More than 30 tons of the recycled glass was used in 40 different shades to bring color to the coral reefs and underwater scenes. Color shades included Mango Mud, Phantom, and Yamber (a color between yam and amber).
There are 126 animatronic figures, 180 still figures, 10,000 plants, and 23,000 pieces of artificial coral in Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage.
The original Submarine Lagoon held 9 million gallons of water. With Finding Nemo makeover, the lagoon now holds 6.3 million gallons of water.
The long-standing urban legend that the Submarine Lagoon could never been drained because it would cause the nearby Matterhorn to collapse was put to rest during Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage's construction, which required the lagoon to be drained for many months.
References to the original Submarine Voyage include the old sea serpent as well as the old mermaids that used to appear in the original attraction's show scenes.The Submarine Voyage Secrets and Facts
The Submarine Voyage opened in 1959.
The submarines were originally grey in color. However, in the 1980s, they were repainted bright yellow and orange to theme them to an oceanographic research organization.

Plumenom has experienced the new attraction four times prior to opening. (Thanks for the tips Ally.) And just might backdoor Sactown if he plays his cards right.:evil: [/LIST][LIST]

[RStar]

Psst-

A lot of scenes are dry for wet - throughout a lot of the show building you're not traveling through "liquid space" at all!

Do not click if your sense of Disney Magic is fragile. Ooh, look over there! Tinkerbell!

It would be very apparent to the riders if the water level went down below the windows, don't you think?

[Gn2Dlnd]

It would be very apparent to the riders if the water level went down below the windows, don't you think?

As I said, I've only been on it the once, but I think the transitions occcur during bubble screens and blackouts. With clever lighting the imagineers have created the illusion of being underwater. At least, that's what I think.

It's all a theory, it'll be fun to see what other people think after the ride is open. And after the inevitable spoilers are posted all over the interwebs.

[Ponine]

Since we have so many that have rode..... does anyone know if they will be allowing photography at the AP preview?

Is it even possible to take photos from inside the sub?

(though frankly, my weakness is seagulls, who are luckily, above water)

[Kevy Baby]

As I said, I've only been on it the once, but I think the transitions occcur during bubble screens and blackouts. With clever lighting the imagineers have created the illusion of being underwater. At least, that's what I think.

It's all a theory, it'll be fun to see what other people think after the ride is open. And after the inevitable spoilers are posted all over the interwebs.Having rode it, I do not believe that the sub itself goes into actual dry space. The logistics to pull that off would be extremely difficult (water dams that would need to envelope the sub as it passes through, water run-off down the windows, etc.). What I would believe is that there is a clear tube that the sub rides through or a clear water wall, with the dry effects (projections, et. al.) being on the other side of the clear glass/poly/whatever. And why the heck are we bothering with spoilers in a spoiler thread?
Since we have so many that have rode..... does anyone know if they will be allowing photography at the AP preview?Bring your camera just in case. They didn't allow them at the CM preview and I didn't want to get the person in trouble when they were kind enough to bring me!

(though frankly, my weakness is seagulls, who are luckily, above water)Mine. Mine. Mine. Mine. Mine. Mine. Mine. Mine. Mine.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Having rode it, I do not believe that the sub itself goes into actual dry space. The logistics to pull that off would be extremely difficult (water dams that would need to envelope the sub as it passes through, water run-off down the windows, etc.). What I would believe is that there is a clear tube that the sub rides through or a clear water wall, with the dry effects (projections, et. al.) being on the other side of the clear glass/poly/whatever.


Next time you're on the ride, watch the waterline above the subs. When it disappears is when you'll know you've entered dry space. If it never disappears then I'll buy you a hamburger.

And why the heck are we bothering with spoilers in a spoiler thread?

I was just keeping the front-of-the-magic spoilers separate from the behind-the-magic spoilers :)

[Morrigoon]

Just TRY to tell Passholes they can't bring cameras, I'm so sure! Disney is probably counting on the advance press at that point :)

[lashbear]

Just TRY to tell Passholes they can't bring cameras, I'm so sure! Disney is probably counting on the advance press at that point :)
Sadako at MC already has a full ride through video on Google Video. (a bit dark but enough for me to get the idea.)

[Not Afraid]

I'm riding tomorrow. :)

[CoasterMatt]

I won't ride it until I can ride without waiting in line... probably around September or October.

[RStar]

I won't ride it until I can ride without waiting in line... probably around September or October.

But I thought you live for lines? ;)

[lashbear]

But I thought you live for lines? ;)
Creating them... not waiting in them.

[Not Afraid]

ok, here's my "review".

I didn't find the attraction to be very engaging or exhilarating - at least for the mid-portion of it. I like to be immersed in an experience and not spoon-fed a story (Pirates and Mansion are great examples of successful engagement and immersion). Nemo starts out great with lots of fantastic vistas and lots of fun things to discover. Then you go into the "cave" and find yourself basically watching a movie through a porthole. Even the eye candy of the first underwater views is non-existent.

However, I'm prepared to be in the minority, I ride it again, I won't wait in a 2 hour line to do it, and I consider my opinions "subject to change without notice". ;)

[Kevy Baby]

Next time you're on the ride, watch the waterline above the subs. When it disappears is when you'll know you've entered dry space. If it never disappears then I'll buy you a hamburger.You owe me a hamburger.

I rode twice this evening. I am 100% certain that the sub remains in water the entire time. There are clear barriers that I can tell are there and a couple of times I was able to specifically see it (on the starboard side, right as you enter the whale's mouth was one of them).

Also, I frequently checked and was able to see the surface of the water above me.

[Gemini Cricket]

I was just thinking about how whaleaphobic Disneyland is. A whale swallows you on Storybookland and Nemo and there are two other whale attacks one on Pinocchio and one during Fantasmic!.
:D

[Kevy Baby]

And on both Nemo and Storybook, you get shyt out :eek:

[€uroMeinke]

I need to ride this soon so I can read this thread

[Disneyphile]

Well, I had this sinking feeling that when I checked it out, it would be quite the dive.

And it was.

;)

[Gn2Dlnd]

You owe me a hamburger.



Aside from bacon, what else would you like on it? (After I ride the damn thing again myself to make sure you're not lying)

[Cadaverous Pallor]

The thread title says "spoilers", so I'm not using spoiler boxes. SPOILERS AHEAD. We rode it last night.



I'll start with the good news...

There's action in the lagoon again, and it's pretty. Just having the subs floating around is awesome. The ride was fun, and I'm sure kids and tourists will think it's great, no matter the wait. There are some inventive show elements, and the whole thing is pretty. Favorite moment - when the mine explodes - for one shining moment, I really felt a part of the ride. My second favorite moment was the jellyfish mirror effect, very nice. The air flow seemed fine and it didn't smell down there or anything. The dry-for-wet was seamless, and never once did we question whether we were in water or not.

ETA - two more great parts - sitting in the sub at the dock and seeing the exact same wall I remember from my childhood :) and the diving into bubbles, which still really feels like you're diving downwards. Of course those are unchanged from the old subs...

Yup, that's all the good news. Here comes my full APer review...

I really wish it were better, especially after such a long wait.

I agree with Sub la Goon - I do not like the 2D projections. It looks like we're watching TV. I don't care how limited in movement an AA is - it will always beat a projection. Not for one millisecond was the Disney magic side of my mind fooled into thinking I was looking at something real. Not for one minute did I think "there Nemo, there's Dory!" I loved the set decoration, but in between, it's just screens. I completely prefer a stationary hippo in Jungle Cruise that does nothing but blow bubbles and wiggle his ears to a fully animated projection. The only time I really enjoyed a projection was when Dory was bouncing off the jellyfish - and I immediately realized it was because there was a 3 dimensional AA jellyfish that was bouncing up and down beneath her. Interaction, people!

Not only did the projections feel like TV, but the story felt like TV. At first you've got the captain talking to you and it's just like the old ride, where you were a part of what was going on. Then the Nemo part starts and the captain just shuts up and we all watch Pixar's Finding Nemo. At the end where the captain kicks back in and says "we better get out of here before we run into a sea serpent" it made me more sad than happy. At the very least, have the captain commenting on the show, have us as a sub react to the show, something!

The story was the exact same story, which led me to feeling like I was on a sub-par (ha ha) dark ride. Even Pinocchio's Daring Journey involves you in the story, by having YOU trapped in a bird cage, YOU almost snagged in a donkey crate. There was nothing to anticipate, no excitement, nothing to grab me at all. Like I said before, the exploding mine effect was awesome, and it was a total anomaly on this ride.

I also felt that we didn't see everything in as cool a fashion as others might have, because we were towards one side of the sub. By the time we saw the angler fish we'd already heard the audio on it, so even that 3D coolness was not as cool as it could have been. We weren't even all the way over - only about 4 seats out from the wall.

I really wanted to love this ride, and I didn't. The involvement of actually being in a submarine experiencing things with everyone has been removed. It's a bummer. We sighed a bunch afterwards and barely talked about it - there was no whooping about how fun it was, no incessant discussion.

After we rode once, we were hungry, and instead of eating in the park and riding again, we went home. I'll totally ride this with the group, or if the line were short, but I have a feeling I'm not going to ride it very often at all. The upside is that I won't feel like I'm missing out when the line gets to insane lengths.

NA, you're not alone - It was cute, but we did not love it.

[Ghoulish Delight]

What she said. I came out less critical of the show-scene technology than she, I thought it was pretty well done, but it just wasn't used to particularly good effect. Too much watching, not enough experiencing.

My ass and shoulders were a lot less wide 10 years ago.

[Not Afraid]

We sighed a bunch afterwards and barely talked about it - there was no whooping about how fun it was, no incessant discussion.



Same with our little group. The lagoon looks beautiful. we spent some time afterwards admiring the beauty of it, but the actual experience sparked no conversation.

[Ponine]

I was just thinking about how whaleaphobic Disneyland is. A whale swallows you on Storybookland and Nemo and there are two other whale attacks one on Pinocchio and one during Fantasmic!.
:D

But... see.. Whales dont have teeth, so what was that?



Same with our little group. The lagoon looks beautiful. we spent some time afterwards admiring the beauty of it, but the actual experience sparked no conversation.
I hadnt realized that!
But yes, its true. Except for standing top side and saying oh look there's Darla! Or... hmm... there's the lights!
There wasnt much to discuss.
** I wonder how my pics came out**

[Ghoulish Delight]

But... see.. Whales dont have teeth, so what was that?Baleen whales don't have teeth. There are whales that do have teeth (Dolphins, Orcas, Sperm whales, Narwhals, etc.)

[Ponine]

Baleen whales don't have teeth. There are whales that do have teeth (Dolphins, Orcas, Sperm whales, Narwhals, etc.)

Hey Fej................
The pics on Yesterdayland have the sub numbers starting with 3
Nautilus is 301 in yellow, and an old pic of the grey seawolf says D-302.

I'm curious about the numbers now..... (it's all your fault)

[Not Afraid]

You owe me a hamburger.

I rode twice this evening. I am 100% certain that the sub remains in water the entire time. There are clear barriers that I can tell are there and a couple of times I was able to specifically see it (on the starboard side, right as you enter the whale's mouth was one of them).

Also, I frequently checked and was able to see the surface of the water above me.

I am pretty certain the subs remain in water the entire time and that the projections are behind a clear screen (or on a clear screen).

[Kevy Baby]

I am pretty certain the subs remain in water the entire time and that the projections are behind a clear screen (or on a clear screen).That's what I was trying to say - I don't now if it came across that way.

[Alex]

Regardless of my indifference to the actual ride, I am very glad that if the lagoon is going to continue existing that something is actually happening in it.

Though it would have been a lot cheaper to just put submarine tops on tracks and rotate them through the lagoon without anything in them.

I'm also somewhat tickled to think (based on how often I still had people emailing me to ask if I knew the subs were gone) that in a year when the "reopening" hubbub dies down how many "twice-in-a-lifetime" park visitors will ride the subs never even realizing that they were gone.

[Ghoulish Delight]

So, I hate the blue highlights on the subs. Something about the shade and the design just doesn't sit right with me. When they first made their appearance with the new paint jobs, it took me several times seeing them to realize that we were seeing the finished project. I literally thought what I was seeing was painter's tape at the water line and tarps over the hatches. Even now knowing that it's the paint job, that's the first thing I see when I look at the subs.

[Gemini Cricket]

Does anyone know if they're letting APers w/o appointments on today/tonight?

[Disneyphile]

I am pretty certain the subs remain in water the entire time and that the projections are behind a clear screen (or on a clear screen).I saw this as well. The glass is about two feet from the sides of the sub. We're underwater, but the majority of the scenery isn't. :)

[Chernabog]

Does anyone know if they're letting APers w/o appointments on today/tonight?

I second that question :)

[Ghoulish Delight]

Does anyone know if they're letting APers w/o appointments on today/tonight?Yes, I'm sure someone knows. Any other questions?

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

Well, since I rode it 11 times yesterday, maybe my perspective is a bit skewed. I really, really enjoyed the ride, but I do understand why NA, CP & GD didn't like it as much. I would much rather have seen anamatronics rather than tv screens because for one - the Darla figure was fantastic. And we see with the figures in Pirates that the technology is there and should be used. IMHO.

I think the plus side is that there was a wow factor for me and each time I rode it I saw different things - plus the day/ nighttime differances and where you sit in the boat makes a big, big differance in the experiance.

Going in the nighttime versus day really blends the cave/ lagoon crossover to a point where it would be difficult to know where you were inthe ride. During the day, in the lagoon you can see much, much more than the colorful illuminations at night. Plus when you are on one side, you have limited space in the lagoon, since the sub passes very close to the Matterhorn walkway. Where you sit has a huge impact on the experiance in regards to front half or middle or back of the boat - so you see different parts of the played scenes, which is troubling I'm sure for those who have ridden it once - I think that's a problem, but I don't see how they could do it any different with what they have in order to keep things moving.

I am in total agreement that there could have been more and could have been better but this is what we have and I'm extremely pleased by it.

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

Does anyone know if they're letting APers w/o appointments on today/tonight?

From what I gather, they will - At least from what I saw yesterday, they were letting AP'ers in because the line was going down to nothing but once the early evening hit, they stopped because the line really grew - then when it shrunk they started doing it again.

I say go for it! :snap:

[Kevy Baby]

I say go for it! :snap:I concur

[lashbear]

I haven't ridden it yet. :rolleyes: and yet I read all the spoilers...

[RStar]

I haven't ridden it yet. :rolleyes: and yet I read all the spoilers...

I'm sure you'll forget all that you read by the time you get across the pond again. ;)

[Not Afraid]

Chris is on his way to the Park from SONGS. He's gonnna call me when we finds out if he can ride or not. I'll be working, but I can call someone with word so it can be posted. Any volunteers?

[Kevy Baby]

Chris is on his way to the Park from SONGS. He's gonnna call me when we finds out if he can ride or not. I'll be working, but I can call someone with word so it can be posted. Any volunteers?Call me if you want. I am heading out for lunch, but will be back in 30 minutes or so.

Can't he post from his phone (I found out last night you can get a connection from inside the subs)?

[Not Afraid]

He probably can, but he phonally challenged and doesn't want to log in to LoT and loose all of his unread posts. It would be easier if I just called someone.

[Kevy Baby]

He probably can, but he phonally challenged and doesn't want to log in to LoT and loose all of his unread posts. It would be easier if I just called someone.Not a problem - gimme a shout

[Chernabog]

Not a problem - gimme a shout

NA, I'm calling you... lol... it's getting to the point that if I leave work now, I'll be able to make it down there but if I wait too long then the traffic is going to be up to holy ****e proportions.

[Kevy Baby]

NA shouted

Chris is at the park and in line. They are allowing all APers in, but the line is about 1.5 hours (90 minutes).

Ye be properly warned sez I

[NirvanaMan]

Ew. Word got out. So much for us all riding together for the rist time at a big LOT meet!

[FEJ]

Ew. Word got out. So much for us all riding together for the rist time at a big LOT meet!

rist time?

is that a freckle past a hair?


:P

[Ghoulish Delight]

Ew. Word got out. So much for us all riding together for the rist time at a big LOT meet!Yeah, well, couldn't resist the chance to do it with minimal wait time. We're still planning on attending the big 2nd Sunday meet.

[Gemini Cricket]

Well, I'm going tonight no matter what.
I'm not going to be able to get out of here for another 30 min, but I'm going... dagnabbit.
:)

[Kevy Baby]

We're still planning on attending the big 2nd Sunday meet.Actually, the big meet is the 24th - the fourth Sunday of June.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Actually, the big meet is the 24th - the fourth Sunday of June.2nd Sunday as in the 2nd Sunday after the ride opens.

[RStar]

I went.

I saw.

I Conquered!

It was a great ride! They were letting everyone in. Not just APers. It was a soft opening. And we waited 55 minutes starting at 5:55. Thanks for the heads up Chris, Lisa, and everyone here! LoT ROCKS! I tried so hard to win tickets to go, and all I really needed was LoT and to walk right on. :snap:

[BarTopDancer]

I rode it tonight. No AP needed. My wait was only about 15 minutes thanks to a friend who hopped in line when I was leaving work.

My review - eh.

I am super excited that there is movement in the lagoon again. My thoughts on the ride are pretty much summed up by CP. I had a huge issue with the *diving* and then being able to see the water line without looking. Why are we diving and then back in the "shallows"? I felt like we were watching random parts of Finding Nemo, not trying to find Nemo, or even follow Nemo on his adventures. Not super impressed with the jellyfish either - we could see the poles they were on without even looking for them.

I'll go again with people who haven't been on it, or who want to go on it. But I won't be the person who wants to go on it when it's a 2 hour line. I liked it more than TMAoWtP (though that isn't hard to beat).

[€uroMeinke]

Saw last night and agree with most of the criticisms, the projects while cool, make it more a movie ride - though I think you have different experiences based on where you sit in the sub and time of day, so I can see some move to repeat viewings.

After riding twice, I got hungy and had dinner instead of being able to take a night time ride (they closed the attraction early to prep it for the Press hoopla) So Nirvana Man, Babbet, and Gemini Cricket had to console themselves with truffle oil instead of submarines.

We did get to view the alternative (wheelchair accessible) version of the attraction and I was rather impressed with that one - What do you know, that Pixar Animation looks much better on a big screen TV. I'd recommend that after riding the subs in reality, you check them out in this virtual space.

[Not Afraid]

I'm glad I got to see the wheelchair accessible attraction. I enjoyed the subtitles.

I missed the nod to the original attraction at the end of the ride, but saw it on the screen.

I want their TV.

I'll let Babette or NM post about their plans for the queue.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

After riding twice, I got hungy and had dinner instead of being able to take a night time ride (they closed the attraction early to prep it for the Press hoopla) So Nirvana Man, Babbet, and Gemini Cricket had to console themselves with truffle oil instead of submarines.You mean to say that that trio did not get to ride at all?? Ok, that totally sucks.

[Not Afraid]

No, they closed the attraction at about 9:00 and sent everyone who was in the queue out back out to the park. We had just arrived via Monorail to get in the queue.

[Chernabog]

No, they closed the attraction at about 9:00 and sent everyone who was in the queue out back out to the park. We had just arrived via Monorail to get in the queue.

Cast Member Nathan though was mega helpful, mega enthusiastic, and mega hot. :D :D :D

[Gn2Dlnd]

Didn't he used to play Megara in the Hercules Parade?

[Kevy Baby]

Cast Member Nathan though was mega helpful, mega enthusiastic, and mega hot. :D :D :DDid you get his mega number?

[lashbear]

so is the accessable attraction filmed from the sub, or is it all rendered ?

[RStar]

so is the accessable attraction filmed from the sub, or is it all rendered ?

That's what I was wondering.

[Chernabog]

That's what I was wondering.

It is somewhat of both.

[lashbear]

Has anyone been able to film the accessable show & put it on YouTube yet ??? http://home.mindspring.com/~kevin_elder/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/whistle.gif

[RStar]

Has anyone been able to film the accessable show & put it on YouTube yet ??? http://home.mindspring.com/~kevin_elder/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/whistle.gif

No. You'll just have to come back to see it for yourself.





;)

[BarTopDancer]

Has anyone been able to film the accessable show & put it on YouTube yet ??? http://home.mindspring.com/~kevin_elder/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/whistle.gif

What's this YouTube you speak of? Or this video?

The only way to view the attraction is to come back and ride it with a boat full of LoTTers.

How many LoTTers does it take to sink a sub?

[FEJ]

How many LoTTers does it take to sink a sub?


The sub is already sunk..

in this case I think the goal is to FLOAT a sub.

[BarTopDancer]

The sub is already sunk..

I know. It was a rhetorical question referencing all the other boat sinkings. I guess the joke didn't come across.

in this case I think the goal is to FLOAT a sub.

How would that happen?

[Not Afraid]

Beans, Beans, the magical fruit.......

[BarTopDancer]

Hey Wendy! When are you bringing the Kid back? :p

[wendybeth]

Lol! No way in hell I'm getting in a sub with the Girl. I'll let you take her, BTD.

[BarTopDancer]

Lol! No way in hell I'm getting in a sub with the Girl. I'll let you take her, BTD.

I was just asking so I skipped the park that day :p I only heard about the other ride. I have no need to experience that first hand.

So maybe the answer to the question is zero LoTTers and 1 LoTTER-Kid

[Kevy Baby]

The mundane answer to the question is that to fill the sub, you would need 40 persons.

[Ghoulish Delight]

The mundane answer to the question is that to fill the sub, you would need 40 persons.
Yes, but how much helium will each of those persons (as a percentage of body weight) need?

[Nephythys]

What is TMAoWtP?

[Ghoulish Delight]

The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh

[Nephythys]

The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh

Thank you

[alphabassettgrrl]

I rode Nemo. I am both impressed and disappointed. I'd like to see it during the day.

[Kevy Baby]

I rode Nemo. I am both impressed and disappointed. I'd like to see it during the day.Having ridden both day and night, I say day is better in the lagoon. Obviously there is no difference once in the caves... er "dive deep."

[innerSpaceman]

Ok, since no one local could hold their water long enough for us all to ride it for the first time together next weekend, I indulged zapppop's outrageous anticipation and rode the Subs today.

We got to the park at the stroke of 8:00 opening ... and had to wait 2.5 hours to ride. zapppop enjoyed it.


I am EXTREMELY disappointed. Yeah, the Mission Tortia Factory screens just complely wreck it for me. I was complely spoiler free, so I had hoped the incredible dry-for-wet technology was there to protect complicated anamatronics and not TV screens. B.A.H.

I enjoyed many of the set dressings. The mine explosion was great. The jellyfish were cool. And yeah, the only good screen thing was when the animation interacted with the "live" jellies. (Though some of the scenes where screens were in the far background were also alright, I suppose).


I know it's difficult to tackle swimming creatures in audioanimatronic form ... but I just see zero point to having a ride version of an animated film that is simply the actual animation of the film. Pffooft.


And what happened to the idea (admittedly assumed) that we as the audience would be looking for Nemo?

This is a botch-job, if you ask me. A real let-down. I'm glad I'll have no desire to ride the ride with the 3-hour queue. And just like the Subs of old, I will ride once or twice a year ... and really appreciate the activity in the Lagoon.



Yes, better than The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh .... but far worse than Monsters, Inc. If this was John Lassiter's big idea for Pixar E-Tickets at Disneyland ... the future just got a lot more dim.



.

[Isaac]

Yes, better than The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh .... but far worse than Monsters, Inc. If this was John Lassiter's big idea for Pixar E-Tickets at Disneyland ... the future just got a lot more dim.
No way iSm!

Monsters Inc is waaay below FNSV.

The challenge in building this attraction was to have animated character in an area complete submerged in water, that (like the water) moved fluidly & swift. I think using projections in boxes successfully did that.

Considering the type of attraction the Submarine Voyage is, I think the projections were a good idea & not necessarily a warning/signal that all future attractions will feature more projections and fewer 3 dimensional backgrounds & characters.

I think the fact that Lasseter saved the subs from a watery grave and turned them into something new & fun (and spent over $150 million doing so) is a sign that there are good things in Disneyland's future. If only the park didn't have to suffer the wrath of Eisner, Pressler & Harris.


Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage; I like it :)

[innerSpaceman]

Wow, we are so completely polar opposite on our opinions about this ride.

What exactly is the point to so immensely creating an underwater environment to the extent that you go into a partially-submersed vehicle to actually view things UNDER WATER ... only to watch TV?

I simply don't get it.


As soon as I see those movie screens ... the same kind of thing happens to me when I see the movie bride in the Haunted Mansion. I'm out of it. The entire illusion of going underwater and viewing things in liquid space is thrown out the window .... because I am intimately familiar with projected images and KNOW that Dory and Marlin and Co. are not under water.

They are a film.


It's cheap. I hate it for the same reason I dislike Star Tours and frelling despise the new Bride.



Darla is the best thing about FNSV. She's an underwater 3-D figure in one of the Disneyland's most elaborately-constructed 3-D environments.


Everything else is lame.


One more early morning viewing. One nighttime viewing, hopefully at closing - so we can extend our stay till after 2 am ... and then I am done with the new Submarine Voyage.




Oh, but I like the Sub-theme Monorail. Hey, it's not even a condom!

[blueerica]

Best part about your respective opinions... you rode the same ride at the same time.

I love it!

[CoasterMatt]

Rose and I *almost* staggered back to Disneyland today, after closing the park last night - Rose really enjoyed the Subs... but we ended up riding Mummy and Jurassic Park, followed by an awesome afternoon nap.

The thing I liked about the Subs is there seems to be a lot more depth to the sets - but unfortunately, they just about threw away one of the best opportunities to "sell" a part of the illusion. The sunken "butt" sequence - Why oh why couldn't they have used a physical prop of Bruce menacing the sub?!? The surrounding set was beautiful, and then it was TV time...

[Ghoulish Delight]

Aw, Steve, no "props" for the Angler fish? I know it was diminished by the surrounding screenage, as well as the waaaay too drawn out runup (okay, I get it, there glowing things), oh and the pathetically lame lack-of-reveal when you're in the back. But you gotta admit it's a pretty cool figure.

Of course, it just puts in stark relief how much better it is than the screens.

[innerSpaceman]

Yeah, the angler-fish was cool. We were in the exact middle of the boat, but the timing of the reveal was all off.

Also, as it had been one of my only spoilers (Kevin Yee raved about the similar effect for Florida's Nemo Lite), I was rather disappointed it wasn't something spectacular.


But yeah, as one of the actual figures ... it gets high marks from me. As do the few old skool turtles who were figures (heheh, one of them was on the half-shell, with all of its "works" revealed).

[NirvanaMan]

jesus...i think we are the only ones that havent ridden it. What happened to the big LoT meet next weekend?

[Alex]

Christmas-itis, it would appear.

[Mousey Girl]

I haven't seen it yet, neither has Moonliner.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

jesus...i think we are the only ones that havent ridden it. What happened to the big LoT meet next weekend?We're still going.

[Gemini Cricket]

I'm going.
:)

[lashbear]

I'm going.
:)

I'm not. I saw Nemo in WDW - that's a much better version IMHO.

[innerSpaceman]

As far as I know, everyone's still going this coming Sunday, at crack o' dawn. There will be many out of towners (at least 4) who've not seen it, and about as many locals who will be Nemo virgins.

The rest of us will be along for the comraderie of undersea comrades. And if we can't sink a Sub .... perhaps we'll have enough to fill one side and cause a decided list to starboard.

[CoasterMatt]

Some coworkers rode last Thursday - their comments ranged from

"That's 2 hours of my life I'll never get back"

to

"If you wanna see what the ride is like, just put on the Finding Nemo DVD and put a fishtank between you and the tv"

[Mousey Girl]

Why is it that I am looking forward to riding IASW with everyone more than I am Nemo?

[Kevy Baby]

Why is it that I am looking forward to riding IASW with everyone more than I am Nemo?Because you know that a certain youngster won't be there?



I had originally typed her name but changed in case she saw it.

[wendybeth]

What's that supposed to mean, mister?;)

[CoasterMatt]

Time for me to double up on the AM/PM cheeseburgers before heading down to Disneyland :evil:

[Kevy Baby]

What's that supposed to mean, mister?;)I wasn't naming names...

Time for me to double up on the AM/PM cheeseburgers before heading down to Disneyland :evil:I got five words for ya mister: A Cork and Duct Tape!

[Mousey Girl]

Feel free to sandwich Nickolas in between the 2 of you. I wouldn't call it child abuse, simply REVENGE!

[lashbear]

I wasn't naming names...

I got five words for ya mister: A Cork and Duct Tape!

Tease !! :evil: