Aaaauuughh! (Bad plastic surgery) [Archive]

Gemini Cricket

12-03-2007, 12:12 PM

My eyes! My eyes!

Bad Joan van Ark plastic surgery (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=499391&in_page_id=1773).

Why why why to people do this to themselves? Age gracefully. I mean, Mary Tyler Moore looks strange now as does Courtney Love, Joan Rivers and Dolly Parton.

Wow. Just. Wow.

So, here's something for discussion. Would you ever get plastic surgery?

(And, I'm glad I'm not a celebrity. The tabloids (US and UK) are just brutal.)

JWBear

12-03-2007, 12:18 PM

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Not Afraid

12-03-2007, 12:20 PM

Would I ever get plastic surgery? Probably not on my face unless I have had disfiguring scarring. Hell, I never even got a boob job post partial mastectomy, although I think about it now and then. I'm not opposed to plastic surgery, I think I'm just either too lazy or too comfortable with the way I am. But, give me a bottle of hair dye any day! Mascara and lipstick - yeah, baby! Permanent hair removal - if it wasn't so expensive, I'd be all over it. Toes MUST be polished.

I'm also lucky that I have decent skin. I may think differently if I had skin problems.

Kevy Baby

12-03-2007, 12:20 PM

I would like to hear more about this particular one. To me the photos look like she is still recovering from some sort of work - her face still appears bruised overall.

I think surgery is up to the individual. Personally, I wouldn't do (why mess with perfection ;)), but it is up to each individual to decide (though for the most part, I do discourage it).

LSPoorEeyorick

12-03-2007, 12:21 PM

I prefer seeing people age gracefully - myself included. I don't mind my developing eye crinkles. The only (non-medical) plastic surgery I would consider is skin removal after naturally-lost weight.

Gemini Cricket

12-03-2007, 12:24 PM

Permanent hair removal? Yes.
Facial life? No.
Pec implants? No.
Eye bag surgery that lots of male celebs are getting? No.
Skin tag removal? Yes.

I mean, argh. And, yes, I think the photo is not touched up or anything and the lighting is really bad but... wow... poor Joan.

wendybeth

12-03-2007, 12:26 PM

Nope. No way- I think growing old gracefully is truly more attractive than the taut, painful masks these people wind up with. Look at Kenny Rogers- he looks terrible, and he regrets having the procedure.

Gemini Cricket

12-03-2007, 12:31 PM

Wow. I just looked at a couple of Kenny pics. He doesn't even look like himself any more.

Not Afraid

12-03-2007, 12:39 PM

GC! Now you've gotten me reading this rag! I'm enjoying the commentary about which "small" men prefer. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=499271&in_page_id=1879)

lizziebith

12-03-2007, 12:44 PM

I'd rather expend my energy toward becoming more pretty on the inside. :blush:

Gemini Cricket

12-03-2007, 12:44 PM

GC! Now you've gotten me reading this rag! I'm enjoying the commentary about which "small" men prefer. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=499271&in_page_id=1879)
One of the office assistants is addicted to this site and sends me links all the time. It's an evil rag. But so very addicting...

Strangler Lewis

12-03-2007, 12:46 PM

Not to mention Katherine Crosby. Mickey Rourke don't look too good either.

katiesue

12-03-2007, 01:07 PM

I'd do it if it were for a medical purpose. Like re-construction or something. My grandmother had to have her eyelids fixed becuse the skin on them was becoming so heavy it was literally weighting down her lids and she was having trouble seeing. Stuff like that I can understand.

Otherwise I'm with the you deal with what you're born with camp.

Ghoulish Delight

12-03-2007, 01:08 PM

I'd rather expend my energy toward becoming more pretty on the inside. :blush:Is there a surgery for that?

Not Afraid

12-03-2007, 01:10 PM

I suppose if I were to grow old disgracefully, I might reconsider. However, for the price of a lifted face, I could probably go on a sweet vacation. And, I have my priorities.

Snowflake

12-03-2007, 01:14 PM

Unless I were disfigured in a car accident, not likely. I am what I am and am aging as I am. The gray hair gets colored, but everything else, whatever, I earned the crinkles around my eyes (mostly from laughing, too).

innerSpaceman

12-03-2007, 01:25 PM

wendybeth

12-03-2007, 01:31 PM

...... However, for the price of a lifted face, I could probably go on a sweet vacation. And, I have my priorities.

Great minds think alike.:D

Strangler Lewis

12-03-2007, 02:00 PM

Is there a surgery for that?

Cosmetic soulgery. Of course, if you're really watching your weight, the extra 21 grams might be a deal breaker.

lizziebith

12-03-2007, 02:04 PM

Is there a surgery for that?

I almost put "I wish" but I actually don't wish for that... :)

I actually started having moles removed a few years ago, but as I aged I just decided the expense wasn't worth it (unless they start acting scary/pre-cancerous). I think it fits me to look rather witchy and unusual. People come in all colors, but not many of us have leopard spots!
:D

LSPoorEeyorick

12-03-2007, 02:17 PM

Is there a surgery for that?

Yes.

Before...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/powerswaterworks/before.jpg

After...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/powerswaterworks/after.jpg

Ghoulish Delight

12-03-2007, 02:22 PM

Yes.

Before...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/powerswaterworks/before.jpg

After...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/powerswaterworks/after.jpg
Bah, more of that "holistic medicine" hooey.

DreadPirateRoberts

12-03-2007, 02:22 PM

Visible LSPE mojo

Snowflake

12-03-2007, 02:45 PM

Many moons ago, Joan van Ark was pretty. This is sad, really.

Gemini Cricket

12-03-2007, 02:54 PM

The O.P. will razz me for this ... but if I could afford it, I'd get rapidly-doubling chin removed in a heartbeat. (and some nose work while I'm at it -- if they'd give me a multiple cosmetic discount)
When you come out of surgery looking like Joan Rivers, don't come crying to me.
:D

I think you look fine. You're well preserved.
:)

Kevy Baby

12-03-2007, 04:12 PM

I'd rather expend my energy toward becoming more pretty on the inside. :blush:
Is there a surgery for that?Yes, there is (http://www.drmatlock.com/).

JWBear

12-03-2007, 04:18 PM

When you come out of surgery looking like Joan Rivers, don't come crying to me.

If you come out of surgery looking like Joan Rivers, you won't be able to!

Not Afraid

12-03-2007, 04:23 PM

vagina

Bornieo: Fully Loaded

12-03-2007, 04:30 PM

Yes, there is (http://www.drmatlock.com/).

Yeah, that's a single guy hang out. Bring yourself, your bank statement and you're set

alphabassettgrrl

12-03-2007, 04:36 PM

I certainly hope I can love myself enough to avoid cosmetic surgery, though I would consider it, depending how things age. The vacation though, would be tempting. And with only limited cash... I'd probably take the vacation and live with the wrinkles.

JWBear

12-03-2007, 04:45 PM

vagina

penis

Kevy Baby

12-03-2007, 06:29 PM

vagina

penisThe spiders must have real fun with this joint.

€uroMeinke

12-03-2007, 06:34 PM

Yes, there is (http://www.drmatlock.com/).

Cool A vulva with lasers! or did I read that wrong?

Kevy Baby

12-03-2007, 06:44 PM

Cool A vulva with lasers! or did I read that wrong?Nope: that's pretty much it.

Also known as "Designa Vagina"

alphabassettgrrl

12-03-2007, 07:36 PM

Ok, I cringed on that one. There are some bits that no knife (or laser) had better touch unless there's something seriously actually *wrong*. Boobies and hoo-haw qualify.

Cadaverous Pallor

12-04-2007, 09:14 AM

Sorry if I offend anyone but here's how I feel - plastic surgery purely for vanity purposes (not from being disfigured) is totally fvcked up in my book. It never, ever looks good. I know this is an especially awful example, but come on, show me one where you couldn't tell.

I was at a training conference recently, in a room with probably 200 people, and suddenly it occured to me - so many people dye their hair in colors that make it obvious that they dye their hair. Everywhere I looked, there were blondes with that odd shade that doesn't really exist, oddly chunky highlights, unnaturally red streaks. To me, I don't see pretty hair, I see the word FAKE HAIR written all over them. FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE screams their heads. I know I'm in a minority on this, but I can't get over it. To me it's as crazy as Louis XIV powdered wigs.

I realize my border line is about permanency. If you put a ton of product in your hair and it can wash out, then I have no problem. If your hair is permanently dyed, and you keep dying it to maintain an "illusion" (um, if I can tell your hair could never naturally be that color, there's no illusion there) then that's crossed a line for me. It's funny though, because if you style your hair every day, isn't that just as fake, really? Odd how my brain works. Natural colors? Somehow I feel ok with that. I guess the measure is - can I tell at first glance?

Anyway - plastic surgery never looks right. And it always means you've cut into your own flesh to strip it off. I simply cannot believe how socially accepted this is. To me, it's a sci-fi nightmare turned reality.

iSm, you look fantastic for your age! You, of all people, do not need these shenanigans. :)

Kevy Baby

12-04-2007, 10:26 AM

Sorry if I offend anyone but here's how I feel - plastic surgery purely for vanity purposes (not from being disfigured) is totally fvcked up in my book. It never, ever looks good. I know this is an especially awful example, but come on, show me one where you couldn't tell.

<snip>

Anyway - plastic surgery never looks right. And it always means you've cut into your own flesh to strip it off. I simply cannot believe how socially accepted this is. To me, it's a sci-fi nightmare turned reality.Well, I am not offended, but I have to say that I totally disagree with you.

First, what constitutes "being disfigured"? On one hand, if someone had a cleft palate or some other prominent facial disfiguration, I would assume this would in your book be acceptable for plastic surgery. But if the disfiguration was not impeding any senses, wouldn't the surgery be strictly "for vanity purposes?"

On the other side of the coin, what if someone felt that their eyelids drooped too much or they didn't like how their jowls hung down? If the surgery helped them feel better about themselves, why is this a negative thing?

A relative of ours has very small breasts. That in and of itself was not an issue, but they were very uneven in size. Bras never fit her right. So she had a breast augmentation, to not only even them out, but to give her just a little bit of boost.

And lastly, I completely disagree that "plastic surgery never looks right." Yes, there are a lot of bad jobs out there, but there are also a lot of very good jobs done. The thing is, if it is done right, unless you knew the person before the work, you would probably never know they had the work done. I know two people who had work done and had I not known what they looked like beforehand, I would never have known they had the work done.

I understand that plastic surgery is not for you. I'm cool with that and fully support it. But dismiss it for everyone else.

Not Afraid

12-04-2007, 10:28 AM

BarTopDancer

12-04-2007, 10:42 AM

I did it last year and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. It was for medical purposes, and since they were already doing it I had a bit of cosmetic correction done. And it did wonders for me.

If you're wondering, you're probably right. If you want to know, PM me.

Not Afraid

12-04-2007, 10:44 AM

God! I don't want to imagine how awful I'd look if I didn't dye my hair!

Kevy Baby

12-04-2007, 10:53 AM

Kevy Baby

12-04-2007, 10:54 AM

God! I don't want to imagine how awful I'd look if I didn't dye my hair!I just realized that I have no idea what your natural hair color is.

BarTopDancer

12-04-2007, 10:55 AM

We all know you got a Designa Vagina!

Shh! It was a quasi-secret!

Prudence

12-04-2007, 11:04 AM

If I had the funds, and wasn't terrified of the recovery period, I would be all over the plastic surgery. With the exception of my feet, which for some reason I rather like, I'd change just about everything about my appearance. I've decided I can't fight against the pressure to have plastic surgery. Prevailing attitudes now are that if you can get it, you do. As it becomes easier - medically and financially - to "fix" one's appearance to be more socially acceptable, it's becoming more and more expected as well.

Not Afraid

12-04-2007, 11:13 AM

I just realized that I have no idea what your natural hair color is.

It is (or was) a sort of amber red brown with bits of honey blond in it. Now, there are large chunks of gray that are multiplying like maggots. I despise gray hair on me. I think there are a few people that can pull it off successfully, but I am not one of them. Besides, I like my current hair color and I like the fact that I can change it at will.

Gemini Cricket

12-04-2007, 11:24 AM

Also, it must be mentioned that plastic surgery is like totally painful.
I was born with a deviated septum. Basically, the divider in my nose was crooked and blocked off both nasal passages. It led to many sinus infections and 100% mouth breathing (not fun). So, I had it corrected.

It.
Freakin.
Sucked!

They packed my sinuses with gauze, they packed my nose with gauze and my face looked like it was beaten with a live tuna fish. It was not fun.
It made me pukey and miserable for about a week.

The end result was great. I can breathe through both nostrils, but the whole ordeal was terrible.

:)

wendybeth

12-04-2007, 12:33 PM

Asa a hairstylist, obviously I'm down with the dye thing. Even if I wasn't a stylist, I see no problem with it. (And most people who do their hair in chunky stripes or off-colors want it to look fake- that's kind of the point. It's a fashion thing, nothing more). I wouldn't want plastic surgery because it's a bit more permanent and what if it went wrong? However, if I had a catastrophic accident or illness that caused disfigurement, I would be running to the surgeon's.

Kevy Baby

12-04-2007, 03:01 PM

However, if I had a catastrophic accident or illness that caused disfigurement, I would be running to the surgeon's.You're so vain

:D

lizziebith

12-04-2007, 09:56 PM

I'm a person that would not likely go under the knife, but I'm chained to the dye-bottle. I won't apologize for it, though, because I'm just a weirdo. I like my pink hair, and I don't care how stupid it looks on a slightly fat going on 50-year-old. My secret goal is to freak young people out. It seems to be working!

CoasterMatt

12-04-2007, 10:10 PM

Plastic Surgery Disasters is an awesome album.

€uroMeinke

12-04-2007, 10:27 PM

I tend to place plastic surgery in the same category as tattoos, piercings, and other body modifications. People do things to change their appearance all the time - I'm just to fickle to do anything permanent. And while I may not like my graying, or weight gain, or other signs of aging, I pretty much accept them for what they are - battle scars of a life well lived (or so I hope).

It's probably unfortunate that we tend to see ourselves differently from the people who love us. When we look in a mirror our eyes are drawn to our flaws and give them an unnatural amount of attention.

Cadaverous Pallor

12-04-2007, 11:30 PM

First, what constitutes "being disfigured"? On one hand, if someone had a cleft palate or some other prominent facial disfiguration, I would assume this would in your book be acceptable for plastic surgery. But if the disfiguration was not impeding any senses, wouldn't the surgery be strictly "for vanity purposes?"

On the other side of the coin, what if someone felt that their eyelids drooped too much or they didn't like how their jowls hung down? If the surgery helped them feel better about themselves, why is this a negative thing?Yeah, lot of gray area there. Guess my own take would be "is my disfiguration freakish?" Heh. I know I have a big nose, and my teeth aren't perfect. I have a sideways smile that sometimes comes out almost a growl in photos. (One set of my prom pics had me growling - my date was gracious enough to keep those.) But slice into my skin to change how I was born??? It would take some serious issues for me to feel this need.

And lastly, I completely disagree that "plastic surgery never looks right."I'd have to see an example, I guess. Even if it does look right, and I can't tell, I still think it's kinda sad. I know BTD had something done, and if it made her happier, then of course I can't say anything against her decision. For me personally....if I got to the point where I thought my own face, my bones, my genes were offensive to me.....I don't know what I'd do.

I've decided I can't fight against the pressure to have plastic surgery. Are you kidding? Who is applying this pressure? Cosmo? Desperate Housewives? Some bitchy coworker? :confused: You're kidding, right?

Alex

12-04-2007, 11:35 PM

People alter their bodies for all kinds of reasons. I tend to hold opinions on the reasons and not so much on the act.

In my close circle of friends I know a couple that have had cosmetic surgery and it was for reasons I can't really argue with and they're happier for it. I personally have twice used surgery to alter my body to better fit with my lifestyle choices.

JWBear

12-04-2007, 11:40 PM

Donatella Versace

http://www.topsocialite.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/donatella-versace-plastic-s.jpg

Gemini Cricket

12-04-2007, 11:47 PM

Donatella Versace
Oh Mylanta!
eek!
:eek:

CoasterMatt

12-04-2007, 11:48 PM

I just puked up things I don't recall eating, thanks JWBear :p

Gemini Cricket

12-04-2007, 11:55 PM

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b268/braddoc310/KKnightleyBandA.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b268/braddoc310/140666049_feeb883a62.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b268/braddoc310/145583172_0cee4c80c5.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b268/braddoc310/230342265_82cd7ef2e5.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b268/braddoc310/158698110_da0cb3a963.jpg

:eek:

Kevy Baby

12-05-2007, 12:08 AM

I'd have to see an example, I guess. Even if it does look right, and I can't tell, I still think it's kinda sad. I know BTD had something done, and if it made her happier, then of course I can't say anything against her decision.?Since she posted about it, I have to say that BTD's surgery is completely unnoticeable. Had I not known her before, I would have never known she had anything done - I think her surgeon is to be applauded.

The other person I know is a non-LoTer, so you'll just have to trust me that her surgery looks good.

I personally have twice used surgery to alter my body to better fit with my lifestyle choices.How are those pec implants working out for you?

NickO'Time

12-05-2007, 12:11 AM

Bo- "TOX" tends too scare me.:eek:

Bornieo: Fully Loaded

12-05-2007, 12:17 AM

I had my soul removed with a real dull knife last year.. :evil:

Alex

12-05-2007, 12:22 AM

How are those pec implants working out for you?

They get me an extra stage session or two per week down at The Gold Club on Howard so I can't complain.

NickO'Time

12-05-2007, 12:24 AM

Men's calf implants are increasingly popular. ;)

Gemini Cricket

12-05-2007, 12:26 AM

Men's calf implants are increasingly popular. ;)
Thank goodness, the one thing I don't need to worry about...
:D

Kevy Baby

12-05-2007, 12:31 AM

Men's calf implants are increasingly popular. ;)How about Holstein implants?

LSPoorEeyorick

12-05-2007, 09:26 AM

Men's calf implants are increasingly popular. ;)

It's funny you should say that... a few years ago, by chance I landed on MTV. (I stay away from it generally.) I bumped into a documentary about young people and plastic surgery, and it focused on a buff young guy who was getting calf implants.

The sad thing is that he treated the people around him like ****; he was misogynistic and crude. And he kept saying "women just aren't attracted to me because of my legs. These implants are going to make all the difference."

Yeaaaah, honey. It's your currently-muscular-but-not-huge calves that are turning people off, not the fact that you're one of the biggest assholes I've ever seen depicted on-screen. You keep believing that the calves are the problem.

On another surgical topic - I'm on the fence about gastric bypass surgery. Sure, it's done some good things for some people. The problem is that forced behavioral changes (i.e. can't overeat because it's impossible and will hurt if I try) don't always "take" as well as chosen behavioral changes (i.e. choose not to overeat because it's good for me.) As a result, I've seen some people who've had the surgery gain a lot of weight back when their tiny available portion of stomach stretches back out to the point that they can overeat again - and without developing the "choosing" skills based on will power as opposed to, say, pain... it has not looked, to me, like a long-term solution.

Plus, I find that you can "shrink" your stomach by yourself. Eating tiny frequent meals does it naturally. So, me? I'm not planning to get one. I will keep doing my best to make good choices and stay active. And if it ever becomes clear that my will power and good choices somehow lead to additional weight gain (since I've been about the same size for six years) or if I become immobile (as in the case of my mother with her auto-immune disease) I might consider it. For now, it seems like the wrong choice for me.

Chernabog

12-05-2007, 10:15 AM

How did I not see this thread before?

I think what Joan Van Ark, Mary Tyler Moore, Joan Rivers, Kenny Rogers etc. have done is overboard. One can grow old without being a prune on one end or a caricatured freak on the other.

There are certain procedures I would like to have done though (though hopefully, nothing around the middle, I know diet and exercise can take care of that on me, and it's cheaper than a tummy tuck and lipo anyway). I'm not completely opposed to eventual Botox treatments. There are, however, certain things I find unattractive on me -- hair in various places that I'd like lasered, hair in other places that I would like put back, and for some reason I find having that crinkled skin in front the tragus on the ears unattractive. My dad has that, and if I did I would have it smoothed out somehow.

Joan Van Ark tho looks as bad as the cat lady (http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/archives/007227.html).

JWBear

12-05-2007, 10:24 AM

There is also a former gay porn star who had massive amounts of plastic surgery to his face. He looks hideous now. I can't remember his name, so I can't search for pictures.

Kevy Baby

12-05-2007, 10:26 AM

There is also a former gay porn star who had massive amounts of plastic surgery to his face. He looks hideous now. I can't remember his name, so I can't search for pictures.Wasn't that Nirvanaman?

Gemini Cricket

03-07-2008, 04:07 PM

Chernabog shared this with me.
Shield your eyes before you click.
Click (http://awfulplasticsurgery.com/)
Check out Britt Eklund.
:eek:

Alex

03-07-2008, 04:13 PM

What do you know, it only took 30 years but she finally achieved every young girls dream back in 1975 of one day being Dr. Joyce Brothers.

I Heart Disneyland

03-07-2008, 05:50 PM

I have a client who comes in to where I work, and her face looks like plastic. It's really tight and her cheekbones stick out a lot. It's so creepy. She resembles the Joker (Jack Nicholson version) minus the green face make up. :eek:

I just saw Joan Van Ark too on a Knots Landing reunion interview, and she looks so scary. It's sad, because Donna Mills looked radiant, and poor Joan Van Ark looked horrid.