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BarTopDancer
12-04-2007, 12:03 AM
April 13th, 2008 (http://mousepad.mouseplanet.com/showthread.php?p=1164372#post1164372)

€uroMeinke
12-04-2007, 01:06 AM
Hey - That's not Coachella weekend?

Prudence
12-04-2007, 09:09 AM
Hmmmm....Now that my spouse is all addicted and all......

katiesue
12-04-2007, 10:28 AM
So I'll just start my semi annual trash talking then - You're all going down!

(now that we actually have won I've got a little something to back it up)

Brigitte
12-04-2007, 10:34 AM
Not only is it my FIL's birthday, Robb's working the Saturday (he's off Wed/Thu/Sun at the time) and Spring Break is 2 weeks before. It's not looking good for me to make it down.

BarTopDancer
12-04-2007, 10:34 AM
So I'll just start my semi annual trash talking then - You're all going down!

(now that we actually have won I've got a little something to back it up)

I'm so kickin your ass! ;)

katiesue
12-04-2007, 10:36 AM
I'm so kickin your ass! ;)

HA! Like to see you try :p

BarTopDancer
12-04-2007, 10:43 AM
HA! Like to see you try :p

Jan 25th. Parking Lot 11. Be there.

;)

katiesue
12-04-2007, 10:55 AM
Jan 25th. Parking Lot 11. Be there.

;)

As a matter of fact I will.

NirvanaMan
12-04-2007, 01:11 PM
After a 1 year Hiatus, NirvanaMan - Featuring umm, NirvanaMan, will be returning to battle.

belleh5
12-04-2007, 02:01 PM
Hopefully I will be able to make it this time. I'll start saving for my trip after Christmas.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812
12-04-2007, 02:20 PM
Looks like this will be my first MA. I will try not to tremble in my size 10s.

That's right, size 10s. Us tall girls can't all have freakishly tiny Barbie feet, NA!

swanie
12-04-2007, 03:15 PM
I'm so kickin your ass! ;)

HA! Like to see you try :p

But who's ass do I get to kick?

swanie

CoasterMatt
12-04-2007, 07:16 PM
Can I join up and not play?

Prudence
12-04-2007, 07:29 PM
But who's ass do I get to kick?

swanie

You could always kick your own and save me the trouble....

CoasterMatt
12-04-2007, 07:30 PM
Can a team of mimes play?

BarTopDancer
12-04-2007, 07:33 PM
Can I join up and not play?

Yes. I hear KatieSue's team is looking for another member.

swanie
12-04-2007, 07:46 PM
You could always kick your own and save me the trouble....


I can guarantee a ton of ass-kicking on April 13th...but mine won't be one of them.


Yes. I hear KatieSue's team is looking for another member.

I don't think so. Why would we mess with perfection?

swanie

2007 Fall MouseAdventure Advanced WINNER

Kevy Baby
12-04-2007, 07:48 PM
Yes. I hear KatieSue's team is looking for another member.Is there a new rule that says you have to have a certain number of males on the team?

CoasterMatt
12-04-2007, 07:49 PM
Hey, I only played once, and my wonderful teammates got third place (I don't think I contributed much).

katiesue
12-04-2007, 08:30 PM
Hey, I only played once, and my wonderful teammates got third place (I don't think I contributed much).

BTD's team needs some help :D

BarTopDancer
12-04-2007, 08:35 PM
BTD's team needs some help :D

Yes, we need lots of help!

But not during MA :p

katiesue
12-04-2007, 08:47 PM
Yes, we need lots of help!

But not during MA :p

The first step in getting help is asking for it. :p

BarTopDancer
12-04-2007, 08:52 PM
The first step in getting help is asking for it. :p

Perhaps you should then...

katiesue
12-04-2007, 08:54 PM
Get your team some help? Why that's what I'm endeavoring to accomplish ;)

Not Afraid
12-05-2007, 12:29 AM
PRUDENCE? BUNNY?

Prudence
12-05-2007, 07:35 AM
PRUDENCE? BUNNY?

Reporting for duty!

Ponine
12-05-2007, 12:03 PM
Okay, but THIS time, you and I MEET. :p

BarTopDancer
12-05-2007, 12:12 PM
Get your team some help? Why that's what I'm endeavoring to accomplish ;)

Ask for help! :p

katiesue
12-05-2007, 01:09 PM
I won't need any help kicking your behinds. :)

Prudence
12-05-2007, 01:53 PM
Okay, but THIS time, you and I MEET. :p

Aw, I was planning on wearing a clever disguise!

Ponine
12-05-2007, 03:14 PM
You go right on ahead. :p
I know your profile now. I cant sit behind you that long wondering who you are without memorizing your face.
Besides.. I'll just nag NA till she tells me where you are this time.

Ghoulish Delight
12-05-2007, 03:18 PM
Aw, I was planning on wearing a clever disguise!
I've been working too hard. I read that as "cleavage disguise".

Not Afraid
12-05-2007, 07:14 PM
HA! I'd like to see Pru disguise her cleavage!

Kevy Baby
12-05-2007, 07:28 PM
HA! I'd like to see Pru disguise her cleavage!There's a reason that this picture is titled "Everybody Knows This Cleavage"

http://homepage.mac.com/kelder/.Pictures/Eriks%20Birthday/Everybody%20Knows%20This%20Cleavage.JPG

Hint: It ain't Pru's

Cadaverous Pallor
12-05-2007, 09:25 PM
Oh, a game at Disneyland? Do they still have that treehouse from that island movie? I loved that.

Prudence
12-05-2007, 10:41 PM
HA! I'd like to see Pru disguise her cleavage!

Doubles as convenient storage!

Ponine
12-06-2007, 09:54 AM
Doubles as convenient storage!

Hear hear!
(I'm sure that's why my cel phone had "water damage" when I turned it in)

BarTopDancer
12-06-2007, 10:17 AM
Oh, a game at Disneyland? Do they still have that treehouse from that island movie? I loved that.

Ya! They even made a ride from that Pirates movie. And I heard that electric parade has a tribute to America they put in after Sept. 11th.

madmonkeygirl
12-06-2007, 11:24 AM
CM go ahead and play that is the weekend after my Bon Jovi shows and i'm gonna be exhausted. Not wanting to go back to Disneyland again so soon and not interested in MA at all. Have fun though. IF i have the day off i could just hang out at the park then by myself all day lmao...

Cadaverous Pallor
12-06-2007, 11:54 AM
Ya! They even made a ride from that Pirates movie. And I heard that electric parade has a tribute to America they put in after Sept. 11th.Hmm. I may have to visit Disneyland again, and maybe play this treasure hunt game. Let me check with my husband.

Kevy Baby
12-06-2007, 12:07 PM
Do you get to see Walt's frozen head on this treasure hunt?

katiesue
12-06-2007, 01:07 PM
Do you get to see Walt's frozen head on this treasure hunt?

Yes - but of course the trick is finding it.

libraryvixen
12-07-2007, 01:02 PM
I think this will be B's inaugural MA. Those family teams have nothing on my kid's smarts!

madmonkeygirl
12-11-2007, 12:40 PM
Guess who'll be in Vegas that weekend for another Bon Jovi concert? lmao it's not official yet but waiting on word according to Vegas radio they are playing MGM grand April 12th...

Prudence
01-23-2008, 04:05 PM
Just in case anyone missed the email - registration starts next week.

Disneyphile
01-23-2008, 04:18 PM
I think Fellowship of the Mouse needs to return after the 2-year hiatus. :D



Edit: Aw, crap. Just remembered that we'll be heading to Vegas that day for NAB.

Damn.

Prudence
01-24-2008, 12:15 AM
Edit: Aw, crap. Just remembered that we'll be heading to Vegas that day for NAB.



Aw.....are BT and me the only ones representin' from the Ell Oh Tee this round? Anyone else still in it?

Ghoulish Delight
01-24-2008, 12:19 AM
We're playing.

CoasterMatt
01-24-2008, 12:20 AM
I'd play, if I can be carried about the premises on a litter, held aloft by no less than 4 maidens, and tended to by no less than 3 waterbearers, fruitbearers, and a bacon maiden. Oh yes, no green M&Ms.

Not Afraid
01-24-2008, 12:21 AM
I thought we were playing.

Prudence
01-24-2008, 07:26 AM
I thought we were playing.

Well, are you or aren't you, missy? There's a deadline fast approaching! :p

BarTopDancer
01-24-2008, 09:38 AM
I think we're playing.

katiesue
01-24-2008, 10:02 AM
We're in.

Alex
01-24-2008, 10:17 AM
I'll be there this time. Though at this point it is unlikely I'll enter either park so it may be that nobody will see me.

innerSpaceman
01-24-2008, 10:46 AM
We're playing (if you want to call it that).

madmonkeygirl
01-24-2008, 10:56 AM
CM and i will be in Las Vegas after Bon Jovi concert the previous night at MGM Grand and not returning home til Monday 4/14...so we won't be anywhere near Anaheim.

cirquelover
01-24-2008, 12:35 PM
I'll be there this time. Though at this point it is unlikely I'll enter either park so it may be that nobody will see me.

Alex- isn't saying that like asking for this crew to hunt you down, because you know if they want to find you they will! Ask Leo, you can't hide if they want to find you!! Ok, that sounds like some bad horror movie, sorry.

Alex
01-24-2008, 12:58 PM
No, they'll be otherwise occupied and I'll be otherwise working. I'm not hiding, I just probably won't be around so tracking me down wouldn't accomplish much more than an awkward "hi, I got to go now."

Lani and I no longer have APs for the park, so if there are things that need to be done for the game that don't require park entry we'll probably end up doing all of those things and save whatever two park admissions is costing these days. Plus, I may not be able to take the following Monday off from work and if so we'll have to leave early so we won't be around much afterwards.

Plus, unlike Leo I doubt there'd be any particular clamor to go out of anybody's way to find me, most of the people here have met me before.

Not Afraid
01-24-2008, 05:24 PM
So, what's with this needing to decide on a team name now?

€uroMeinke
01-24-2008, 06:23 PM
Really - we haven't even had time to go hat shopping yet

BarTopDancer
01-28-2008, 10:15 PM
First time in 6 years that I won't be playing.

katiesue
01-29-2008, 09:42 AM
First time in 6 years that I won't be playing.
:(

Reminder registration is open now. We're in.

innerSpaceman
01-29-2008, 10:57 AM
First time in six years we'll be WINNING. :D

Kevy Baby
01-29-2008, 12:06 PM
First time in six years that it is not 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, or 2007.

Prudence
01-29-2008, 12:12 PM
Our team name alone is enough to take the rest of you down.

swanie
01-29-2008, 01:13 PM
Registration is at 78% as of noon today!

swanie

katiesue
01-29-2008, 05:17 PM
First time in six years we'll be WINNING. :D

Not if we get there first.

Prudence
01-29-2008, 07:14 PM
Not if we get there first.

You might want to let us prepare your wills first, since we're going to bury all of you.

katiesue
01-29-2008, 07:25 PM
You might want to let us prepare your wills first, since we're going to bury all of you.

Clever name or no, you're going down.

Prudence
01-29-2008, 07:34 PM
Clever name or no, you're going down.

...the aisle to select our first places prizes? Yes, that was the plan.

katiesue
01-29-2008, 08:48 PM
...the aisle to select our first places prizes? Yes, that was the plan.

Select away. (you only get to take them home if you win - sorry)

Peachy Keen
01-30-2008, 08:46 AM
So, what's with this needing to decide on a team name now?

Well, "unofficial" you can come up with one as late as you like (and as risque as you like too ;) )

Gwyren, Bornieo and I are IN
(though Bornieo doesn't know it yet :p )

BarTopDancer
01-30-2008, 10:31 AM
Tis sold out. Have fun!

NirvanaMan
01-30-2008, 10:33 AM
God damnit. It's full again! This is the third time in a row that I haven't been able to play 'cause it is filled as soon as I hear it's open.

Not Afraid
01-30-2008, 10:34 AM
God damnit. It's full again! This is the third time in a row that I haven't been able to play 'cause it is filled as soon as I hear it's open.

Maybe you should pay attention to the threads about registration. ;)

NirvanaMan
01-30-2008, 10:36 AM
Maybe you should pay attention to the threads about registration. ;)


We don't all have time to surf the boards all day. ;)

BarTopDancer
01-30-2008, 10:37 AM
Or sign up for the emails telling you when MA registration will open... ;)

Not Afraid
01-30-2008, 10:38 AM
We don't all have time to surf the boards all day. ;)
No, we don't, but we do have the ability to mark important dates on our calendar when they are announced in advance.

NirvanaMan
01-30-2008, 10:47 AM
No, we don't, but we do have the ability to mark important dates on our calendar when they are announced in advance.

Sure. And as soon as I aware of said registration date (30 mins ago) I immediately went to register. But alas it was closed.

Kevy Baby
01-30-2008, 11:07 AM
Sure. And as soon as I aware of said registration date (30 mins ago) I immediately went to register. But alas it was closed.You and I can go heckle together

Ponine
01-30-2008, 11:23 AM
Sure. And as soon as I aware of said registration date (30 mins ago) I immediately went to register. But alas it was closed.

And my teammate went home sick before I could confirm their involvement, and now, its sold out.
I cannot believe how incredibly bummed I am. Such a petty reason to be bummed. Carp.

innerSpaceman
01-30-2008, 11:25 AM
Hmmm, maybe it's time to revive the LoTary Road Ralley Game. Sell-Out's not remotely possible.

Um, but way more time-intensive to play that, pfft, a few brief hours of MouseAdventure.

BarTopDancer
01-30-2008, 11:27 AM
And my teammate went home sick before I could confirm their involvement, and now, its sold out.
I cannot believe how incredibly bummed I am. Such a petty reason to be bummed. Carp.

It's not a petty reason to be bummed. It was something you've been looking forward to doing. I chose not to play this year and I'm bummed that I won't be playing.

Ponine
01-30-2008, 11:29 AM
It's not a petty reason to be bummed. It was something you've been looking forward to doing. I chose not to play this year and I'm bummed that I won't be playing.

It's the first time I've had a potential to actually finish above 10th. Consecutive team mates, that understood how the heck it worked and wanted to try again.
okay, not ranting, not going to be a pita. Just going to wait till October.

BarTopDancer
01-30-2008, 11:36 AM
And think of how well rested you'll be come October. While KatieSue and Pru are still recovering... ;)

NirvanaMan
01-30-2008, 11:40 AM
It's very frustrating that it closes so early without much advance notice. I understand the reasons behind it but that doesn't reduce the frustration. I was without computer access from last Tues to this Mon as I was out of town and my laptop crashed. Work has been hell this week so the second I logged on and saw the thread, it was closed.

It just seems to have worked this way the past 3 times. I do tend to have the worst luck in general. I miss the old way, although I assume it will never go back to that longer window that allowed those that aren't able to be as active on the boards (due to work responsibilities) as others to get a chance to learn about it and register.

I'm still and always up for iSm's game.

katiesue
01-30-2008, 12:20 PM
NM - if you go to MousePlanet under the MouseAdventure section you can sign up for e-mail updates. That way you get notified even if you're not checking the boards.

Stan4dSteph
01-30-2008, 01:00 PM
Also, if you know anyone who is new to the game, the MouseAdventure 101 version is still open.

Bornieo: Fully Loaded
01-30-2008, 02:03 PM
God damnit. It's full again! This is the third time in a row that I haven't been able to play 'cause it is filled as soon as I hear it's open.

We made it in and have 3 on our team - if you wanna join our crew, you're more than welcomed.

NirvanaMan
01-30-2008, 02:43 PM
NM - if you go to MousePlanet under the MouseAdventure section you can sign up for e-mail updates. That way you get notified even if you're not checking the boards.

I think it was either blocked by our firewall or went to the SPAM folder. I just registered with a different email.

BarTopDancer
01-30-2008, 03:04 PM
We made it in and have 3 on our team - if you wanna join our crew, you're more than welcomed.

It's a person capacity, not team capacity. Only way anyone else can play is if they are replacing a team member already accounted for.

BarTopDancer
01-30-2008, 03:07 PM
This is hillarious (http://mousepad.mouseplanet.com/showpost.php?p=1186706&postcount=168)


The Spring 2012 MouseAdventure will be on Sunday, April 22. This is not a religious holiday for any group I could identify, and is a week after tax day. It is however, still a Sunday, and for that I apologize.

Registration will open on Saturday, February 4 2012 at 9:00 am, thus accomodating those who work, those who get paid on Thursday, those who get paid on Friday, and those who get paid on the 1st of the month.

Registration will sell out at approximately 2:00pm the same day. I am giving you nearly 1,500 days advance notice, and I do not want to hear it if you miss out. I suggesting making, and then marking, your calendar now so you don't forget. There will be at least one additional warning before registration opens.

Registration will be $350 per team, and will be limited to the capacity of the largest ballroom in the as-yet-unbuilt hotel in the parking lot behind the Paradise Pier Hotel.

Due to overwhelming demand, our Spring 2012 event will feature a return to the wildly popular MouseAdventure Marathon format introduced in Fall, 2010. Warning: you may have to walk to Disneyland, DCA and/or Knott's to complete the event quests.

Let me know if you have any questions! Hope to see you there!

Morrigoon
01-30-2008, 03:07 PM
Aww, see NM? Bornieo offered you a solution.

I, on the other hand, will probably be working, so meh. But I keep missing MA's anyway, so I'm used to the bitter bitter taste of watching rivals I know I could vanquish brag of their conquests (see, even those of us NOT playing can trash talk!)

Anybody wanna join my team, the Snarky Sideliners?

Alex
01-30-2008, 03:21 PM
That's not accurately a marathon. I know from experience that walking from DL to Knott's and back is only 15 miles.

RStar
01-30-2008, 04:47 PM
That's not accurately a marathon. I know from experience that walking from DL to Knott's and back is only 15 miles.

To me, that would be a marathon!

Kevy Baby
01-30-2008, 04:48 PM
That's not accurately a marathon. I know from experience that walking from DL to Knott's and back is only 15 miles.By way of Sea World?

Alex
01-30-2008, 06:10 PM
That would be too long. When I was training for my marathon one of the weekends in LA I needed to do a 15 mile run. Turns out that it fit perfectly.

Stan4dSteph
01-30-2008, 10:15 PM
That would be too long. When I was training for my marathon one of the weekends in LA I needed to do a 15 mile run. Turns out that it fit perfectly.I ended up running along the Santa Ana River. I think that part of the DL 1/2 takes that route. It was nicer than I imagine the Knotts-DL route is.

26.2 miles... been there, run that.

Cadaverous Pallor
01-30-2008, 10:41 PM
I'm sad about NM missing out. :(

belleh5
01-31-2008, 02:23 PM
I'm sad about NM missing out. :(

Andrew hasn't heard from Uncle D, so we might need another player:confused:

Capt Jack
01-31-2008, 02:53 PM
Hmmm, maybe it's time to revive the LoTary Road Ralley Game.

??:eek: ??

you have my undivided attention. what road ralley?

katiesue
04-01-2008, 08:03 PM
You're all goin down :p

Cadaverous Pallor
04-01-2008, 08:35 PM
??:eek: ??

you have my undivided attention. what road ralley?Yeah, that exists only in the realm of possibility.

Isaac
04-01-2008, 09:13 PM
Andrew hasn't heard from Uncle D, so we might need another player:confused:

Richard is delibrately ignoring all 3 of us for no reason.
He is no longer welcome on our team.

We've got our 4th player. Laurie's friend Heather is gonna be on our team.

:)

belleh5
04-01-2008, 09:32 PM
Richard is delibrately ignoring all 3 of us for no reason.
He is no longer welcome on our team.

We've got our 4th player. Laurie's friend Heather is gonna be on our team.

:)

Remember I'm not playing!:rolleyes:

Isaac
04-01-2008, 09:49 PM
That was not Andrew that told you those things. His account was hijacked by a hacker. PM me and I'll show you one of the disgusting pics that the hacker used for a profile pic.

belleh5
04-01-2008, 09:54 PM
That was not Andrew that told you those things. His account was hijacked by a hacker. PM me and I'll show you one of the disgusting pics that the hacker used for a profile pic.


I still don't believe you, plus I blocked him. Don't worry I'm still going (too drink):cheers:

Isaac
04-01-2008, 10:23 PM
I still don't believe you, plus I blocked him. Don't worry I'm still going (too drink):cheers:
:rolleyes: Oye.

Okay, this was the profile pic that the hacker used:

***WRN: NOT SAFE FOR WORK !!!****

http://www.freeimagehosting.be/files/x5l0metdtru5swrjaihq.jpg

Cadaverous Pallor
04-01-2008, 10:26 PM
Drama-o-rama

Gemini Cricket
04-01-2008, 10:26 PM
Looks like someone giving birth to a liter of Coke...

Bornieo: Fully Loaded
04-01-2008, 10:28 PM
I thought it was a deformed shaved flamingo.

Damn, my eyesight must be going..

RStar
04-01-2008, 11:06 PM
Thar she blows!

The pressure is killing me!

;)

Kevy Baby
04-02-2008, 09:27 AM
You're all goin down :pLet's not discuss bedroom activities

http://www.freeimagehosting.be/files/x5l0metdtru5swrjaihq.jpgDamnit... how did that picture of me get out?

CoasterMatt
04-02-2008, 09:29 AM
It was the paramedic gossip network.

Where are the Transformers?

BarTopDancer
04-02-2008, 09:46 AM
They're practicing their trajectory.

awinner
04-07-2008, 07:55 PM
OK peeps...lets all settle down here!!! 1st off....I did not send anyone anything!!! 2nd...Myspace sucks....I have been trying for 3 weeks now for them to respond to me so I can change my password so I can fix everything...do you really think someone who is Jewish would have "Heil Hitler" as their main comment. I still have not seen this picture...that link does not work. 3rd...I do not know what comments were sent out to who...I think most of you know that I am a pretty nice and quiet person. And last I have no idea how my account was hijacked....no one knows my password, and I have not clicked on anything that would jepordize my account...Having said that....I am ready to try and kick some butt with "ALL" my team members on sunday...:eek:

innerSpaceman
04-07-2008, 07:58 PM
Thank you, thank you. If you have not already, please send belleh5 a PM or cell call or an email. She needs to hear/read it from YOU.

This is absurd. You would never have done any such disgusting shenanigans.

belleh5
04-07-2008, 08:01 PM
Thank you, thank you. If you have not already, please send belleh5 a PM or cell call or an email. She needs to hear/read it from YOU.

This is absurd. You would never have done any such disgusting shenanigans.



He already emailed me today. My myspace was hijacked twice last month. :mad: And I sent "them" money thinking it was Andrew. :( So now I have to track the money orders.


And we will KICK SOME MA BUTT!!

innerSpaceman
04-07-2008, 08:10 PM
Just picture Hijacker Hitler Boy as the opponent!!

€uroMeinke
04-10-2008, 11:29 PM
So MA strikes again - looks like it will be 89 on Sunday

€uroMeinke
04-10-2008, 11:32 PM
In other news we spotted AVP & Tony at an office supply place today - wondering if they're using their repro services for the packet - wonder how much one would need to slip the minimum-wage repro operator to slip us an extra packet....

just speculating, of course

belleh5
04-11-2008, 01:11 AM
In other news we spotted AVP & Tony at an office supply place today - wondering if they're using their repro services for the packet - wonder how much one would need to slip the minimum-wage repro operator to slip us an extra packet....

just speculating, of course


Are you guys playing?

Stan4dSteph
04-11-2008, 03:58 AM
In other news we spotted AVP & Tony at an office supply place today - wondering if they're using their repro services for the packet - wonder how much one would need to slip the minimum-wage repro operator to slip us an extra packet....

just speculating, of courseDid you say hello? :D

€uroMeinke
04-11-2008, 07:42 AM
Did you say hello? :D

Of course not - it will make for better paranoia if they find out we were stalking them from a third party

Cadaverous Pallor
04-11-2008, 08:44 AM
Today is shirt pressing day.

Alex
04-11-2008, 08:58 AM
They may have been buying supplies but I can pretty confidently say there were no game materials being produced there.

LSPoorEeyorick
04-11-2008, 09:19 AM
I'm not here to chat about MA, but to wave my arms at people and remind them to please join me at Granville's on Saturday night (9ish) if you're available!

katiesue
04-11-2008, 09:42 AM
We will be there Saturday night.

Prudence
04-11-2008, 09:48 AM
I'm staying in that hotel, so I'll likely breeze by on my way to bed - but who knows when that will be.

Kevy Baby
04-11-2008, 10:13 AM
I am working the MS Walk on Saturday morning. I am usually completely wasted by mid-day Saturday and can't move. I don't think I will be able to be there Saturday evening unless somebody comes to pick me up in a wheelchair.

swanie
04-11-2008, 01:09 PM
California here we come! See you all tomorrow.

swanie

innerSpaceman
04-11-2008, 01:19 PM
Please tell you mean the Swank Bar outside of Granville's Bonita 55, and not the restaurant, huh?


I'll be at the bar. Hope to see some of you there.

LSPoorEeyorick
04-11-2008, 01:58 PM
OMG, outside, outside. Swank Bar. Indeed. Looking forward to seeing you there!

Prudence
04-11-2008, 03:54 PM
Guess I should pack or something.

€uroMeinke
04-11-2008, 06:07 PM
Guess I should pack or something.

like a ferret

Prudence
04-11-2008, 07:50 PM
like a ferret

Ferrets are only required for California residents. Although one can substitute an opossum if one applies for a waiver.

swanie
04-12-2008, 06:51 AM
Well, we made it after 9 hours of travel time. :( I imagine we'll make it to the park by lunch time today.

swanie

Not Afraid
04-12-2008, 09:01 AM
But, there's a puppy at the end of all of this for you!

RStar
04-13-2008, 02:33 PM
My thermometer here in garden grove, just a couple miles from DL reads 101.6*F right now. I'm soooo glad I chose not to do MA today! :evil:

LSPoorEeyorick
04-13-2008, 02:47 PM
This household seconds and thirds that!

wolfy999
04-13-2008, 02:48 PM
Fourths & Fifths here!

BarTopDancer
04-13-2008, 03:20 PM
sixths here.

The past few years have had beautiful weather. This year, not so much.

Cadaverous Pallor
04-14-2008, 07:41 AM
Yes, bloody hot. See how no one posted? We were wrecked. :) Plenty of fun though, some great quests this time around.

None of the usual suspects placed, though the Brother Bears did tie for 2nd. I think we need to rally and get swankers back into the top spots next time.

I'll get the shirts uploaded soon, and more details later.

Snowflake
04-14-2008, 07:51 AM
I'm filled with admiration for those who braved the weather for MA. Had it been me, I would have melted into the Esplanade like the Wicked With of the West getting hit with a bucket of water.

innerSpaceman
04-14-2008, 07:55 AM
I take it for granted how gratifying it is to always know our scores the evening of the game, whereas the vast majority of people have to wait several days.

It may be embassassing, but as a Masters team, our scores are announced at the awards presentation. And before that ... well, our scores were always announced since we placed each and every time we played. :cool:



Which leaves me with the meaningless of scoring Brother Bear as "would have come in 2nd" or "would have come in first." Perhaps they might have, but they're not competing. And my point is that neither are we. The Denton Affair has long since ceased to play our "competitive" game, and yesterday in the energy-sapping heat was a prime example. We did not push ourselves to do anything besides play the quests in a relaxed and devil-may-care fashion.

Not that we have any illusions of being able to beat the likes of Brother Bear nowadays. But out-of-competition is out-of-competition.


And out of mouseadventure is where i may be. The quests were very good and fun, but the weather was miserable and, too often, that seems to be the case with MA.

Yep, I'm too old. Though I drank plenty of water, I started feeling very ill in the last 90 minutes. I'm seriously done playing in 90+ degree heat.

Cadaverous Pallor
04-14-2008, 10:08 AM
*searching for all of iSm's MA YAGEs through the years*

Cadaverous Pallor
04-14-2008, 10:19 AM
Quick hits:

Best Main Street quests ever.

Eye Spys seemed more fun to me (even though we didn't find very many, as usual). They gave us pics of letters from various signs, so it was easier to look for just signs.

The trivia on the Mark Twain was well timed. We just barely got them done in time to disembark. We usually don't do the Twain dealio but this time got a chance.

I swear, next time, we're going to ToonTown first. No more ToonTown at 2:30pm. No MORE! :p

There were some lovely tricky ones, like the Periodic Table of Characters, that took try after try, but when you get it right it's so damn sweet.

I still hate the ones you can't be sure you are right on. You have to pick a Goofy Water color and hope you did all the math right. Of course, since you only did it once and wrote down an answer, it was wrong.

later...

innerSpaceman
04-14-2008, 10:33 AM
We were lame to do Main Street first along with everyone else. No more Main Street at 9am. We had to go back later to look for something we missed, and it was so much easier with a deserted Main Street at 2:30 when the Happy Haunts will be anywhere but ToonTown.

Not Afraid
04-14-2008, 11:25 AM
The Main St. quest was my favorite. We buzzed along quite nicely throughout the day and were doing quite well until the very end. TSI was closed for us (I'm not crying over that one). We ended up with 2 quests at the end of the day that were word scrambles that were frustrating. Plus, we were hot, tired, and in Toon Town. So, after a pretty successful day, it ended on a less satisfying note.

Bottom line for me is - I can't play in that kind of heat any more. What would've been fun is just not fun when it is so hot. I find that the bloom is really off both the park and the game. Maybe it's time to retire for good.

innerSpaceman
04-14-2008, 11:47 AM
Yep, that's it exactly. Bunch of fun quests made lots less fun because it was wilting heat.

If we were still "in play," we would have pushed ourselves into a hospital visit ... but with no competition for us, we really felt the effects of temps approaching 100 degrees. The latter quests were potentially just as fun as the earlier ones (it was a very well designed game this time), but the second half of the game was murder on me. And I was surprised how much concentration and brain power I lacked when my body temperature matched the air temparature.

Isaac
04-14-2008, 12:12 PM
I was not into it this time around. It felt like the last MA was only 6 weeks ago, rather than 6 months. The 97˚ weather didn't help. The game felt like such a chore. I think belleh5 & I are gonna skip the next few MAs. I sure as hell don't want to play the one in Florida in 2009. No way I'm gonna spend my money to go running around Magic Kingdom (a theme park I don't like) in 130˚ heat & humidity.

Feh! :rolleyes:

Alex
04-14-2008, 12:19 PM
Believe me, we'd love to be able to say "it's too hot this weekend, let's do it next weekend instead."

You'll be happy to read this sentence in yesterdays AP weather story:

Anaheim was tied for the hottest spot in the contiguous United States at 102 degrees Sunday, according to the National Weather Service.

We should start selling MouseAdventure events to state emergency response teams during times of flooding or unbearable cold. And we'll blackmail other states during times of drought.

Bornieo: Fully Loaded
04-14-2008, 02:02 PM
I agree it was too damn hot but I had fun because I played with some good friends. We weren't killing ouselves to get things done but we tried to get organized and let that take us thru the game.

We did ToonTown first because it get's very hot out there in a place with no trees and tons of kids after Noon. We took time to sit and go over things.

In the end, I doubt I would like to play again in the heat. WDW would be fun but only in a nice 70 degree rainstorm. :)

Oh, and next time we should get a team name and maybe a mascot.

Ghoulish Delight
04-14-2008, 03:01 PM
We did ToonTown first because it get's very hot out there in a place with no trees and tons of kids after Noon. We took time to sit and go over things.

Yeah, just ruuub it in smarty pants.

We tried to do the TSI quest first for much the same reasons, that island gets hot and crowded. We left the ballroom, broke off from the main herd to cut through the Grand Cal, read our packets as we went, and decided on TSI as our first stop. I guess the staff hadn't counted on us moving that quickly because we got onto TSI and there was no staff member there to give us the quest. That was kind of a crappy start. Turned out to not matter much thanks to the closure later in the day, but it did waste a good 20-30 minutes for us.

But yeah, ToonTown first will be our new mantra. We didn't end up back there until around 1:30. Biiiig mistake.

Our other kinda big mistake was not bothering to ride HM to get the missing name needed to finish the quest. We were right there, the line was short. But it just seemed like a huge chunk of time to spend, and I wasn't even sure I'd get the right answer even if I had ridden it (I've never bothered to get proficient at that particular type of logic puzzle...which is stupid because the MA writers seem to love 'em. I think I'd better get on that). But we really should have just gone ahead and done it. In the end we weren't rushed for time.

The heat didn't really seem to get to me much. Maybe it was because we did get a lot done early and were able to slow the pace down during the hottest part of the day, or maybe the breeze that kept flipping our quest pages softened the scorching blow, but yesterday didn't stand out as all that uncomfortably hot. That's probably still reserved for a couple of those DCA events.

I LOVED the Main Street quests ("Disneyland/Not Disneyland" and the hotel story one). Really clever, and led to a bizarre moment of synchronicity. After we found the "Snow Owl Peaches" in the Market House window, we stepped aside to write the answer down and figure out the next step. While we stood there, a family passes behind us. It wasn't too long after we had spotted the crate, but long enough that it's not like these people saw us pointing at it or heard us talking about it. But a little girl looked in the window and asked, "Mom, what are Snow Owl Peaches?"

Cadaverous Pallor
04-14-2008, 09:16 PM
MA shirts (http://www.jenniegreg.com/Gallery/main.php?cmd=album&var1=MouseAdventure+Shirts%2F2008+April/&var2=0)

wendybeth
04-14-2008, 09:29 PM
Lol, CP!;)

Kevy Baby
04-15-2008, 09:31 AM
As always, brilliant shirts!

belleh5
04-15-2008, 09:43 AM
I was not into it this time around. It felt like the last MA was only 6 weeks ago, rather than 6 months. The 97˚ weather didn't help. The game felt like such a chore. I think belleh5 & I are gonna skip the next few MAs. I sure as hell don't want to play the one in Florida in 2009. No way I'm gonna spend my money to go running around Magic Kingdom (a theme park I don't like) in 130˚ heat & humidity.

Feh! :rolleyes:



It was way too hot!! I'm gonna skip the next few MA's. I'm still sore from running all over the park and my feet are sunburnt. It was good to see everyone briefly, but I don't plan on coming back until Xmas (if it's not too hot).:cool:

BarTopDancer
04-15-2008, 09:43 AM
Love the shirts!

Alex
04-15-2008, 09:57 AM
I posted this at MousePad, but thought I'd share here as well. I sought to quantify just how bad it is with MouseAdventure so often being on unusually hot days.

The results were not what I expected. Only 1/3rd of MouseAdventures have been held on days that were warmer than the historical average for that date. However, three of the times they've been over, it has been way over (twice by more than 20 degrees).

A cherished myth shattered. But good support for why I hold personal perception (particularly by an emotionally involved group) in so little esteem as support for the reality of something. I'm sure I'll bring this up in some future discussion.

Particularly ironic, to me, is that the first seven MAs were actually all cooler than average and yet we developed the idea from them. While four of the last five have been warmer than average and I think the perception has been that the days (other than this last one) were generally more temperate than in the past.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2017/2415425208_c8bc540a73.jpg

Ghoulish Delight
04-15-2008, 10:03 AM
What about a comparison to temperatures of the surrounding days/week? I think that's added to the perception, the fact that the MA days are (if memory serves, which it clearly doesn't) hotter than the days leading up to and following.

innerSpaceman
04-15-2008, 10:21 AM
Yes, sorry Alex, but we humans are not cognizant of the historical average. It means zip to us. We get used the rapidly-changing seasons of Southern California (i.e., June now is not what June was like 10 years ago). And we base our subconscious expectations on the current season we are experiencing.


Regardless, it's all perception. And mine has had it. Thanks for the AP info that Anaheim tied for hottest spot in the nation at 102. I won't be doing that anymore. I have no problem bowing out Day Of based on the actual weather, but I can't do that to my teammates ... so I will just be sitting out future Spring MouseAdventures.

I'll keep trying in October. Plus, with my all-too-human perception that time goes faster as we age, MA once-a-year is plenty often enough.

Kevy Baby
04-15-2008, 10:36 AM
I would actually be more interested in the ACTUAL temperatures on each day. Just because the actual temperature is 2 degrees under normal for that day doesn't mean that 94 degrees isn't freaking roasting*.






* And I have no idea what the actual temperatures have been - I am just pulling a number out of my arse.

Ghoulish Delight
04-15-2008, 10:39 AM
I would actually be more interested in the ACTUAL temperatures on each day. Just because the actual temperature is 2 degrees under normal for that day doesn't mean that 94 degrees isn't freaking roasting*.Of course, but it's always seemed the MA days were unseasonably hot, that by some cosmic joke, temperatures were abnormally spiking on MA days.

Alex
04-15-2008, 10:46 AM
I'm not at all saying that we are wrong to think it is hot. We're not. It generally is. What was surprisingly wrong is the perception that it is generally hotter than normal. I don't have the actual numbers here at work but I can say say that the median game day high for MouseAdventure is in the upper 70s.

And regardless, this last Sunday was beyond the pale (28 degrees above average high for April 13).

GD: I did look at that, at least with day before and day after, and there was no significant trend. Game day was randomly warmer and cooler than the day before and after. A couple times it was significant but generally it was just a degree or two. If I have time (and am still interested) I'll extend that out to a week tonight.

katiesue
04-15-2008, 12:58 PM
The heat didn't help. But we just sucked. Nothing ever quite jelled.

Ghoulish Delight
04-15-2008, 01:14 PM
I'm just hoping the Fall one is on a date we can do it. I'm getting sick of having to miss every other one.

Morrigoon
04-15-2008, 01:16 PM
So Alex, what you're saying is that they've just historically chosen a bad date to hold MA? ;)

Alex
04-15-2008, 01:26 PM
Not really, the average high for pretty much every day in in March/April and October/November is pretty much "low 70s" and pretty much that's where we've been with a couple major outliers.

I think what we have done wrong is historically we've chosen a bad state in which to hold MA.

madmonkeygirl
04-15-2008, 01:33 PM
Ha we had nicer cooler weather in Vegas on Sunday than you guys had for MA....funny when we left yesterday it was 96 degrees out but we were in nice air conditioning...that's why i won't ever do a MA again with the heat...

lashbear
04-15-2008, 01:36 PM
Sydney's nice this time of year.

Cadaverous Pallor
04-15-2008, 01:53 PM
Alex, love the bar graph. Since you already have the info - can we have the temps, please? I'd like to see how much variation there is between spring and fall MAs. I doubt they're much different.

BarTopDancer
04-15-2008, 01:54 PM
Sydney's nice this time of year.

MouseAdventure: Australia

But you're missing an important part of MouseAdventure. A Disney park. :(

Morrigoon
04-15-2008, 02:13 PM
Not really, the average high for pretty much every day in in March/April and October/November is pretty much "low 70s" and pretty much that's where we've been with a couple major outliers.

I think what we have done wrong is historically we've chosen a bad state in which to hold MA.

Ah yes, that's it. It must be. :)

No wait... the only alternative (that includes a Disney park) is Florida. NVM.

Kevy Baby
04-15-2008, 02:33 PM
MouseAdventure: Australia

But you're missing an important part of MouseAdventure. A Disney park. :(Minor detail. Alex will find a way around that.

Ghoulish Delight
04-15-2008, 02:35 PM
No wait... the only alternative (that includes a Disney park) is Florida. NVM.Paris, Tokyo, Hong Kong.

Morrigoon
04-15-2008, 04:37 PM
(hands GD a map of the US and asks him to point out the states of Paris, Tokyo, and Hong Kong)

Prudence
04-17-2008, 11:38 AM
I liked the HM puzzle, but wished that particular puzzle had been more difficult.

I have a left-over 1-day pass tentatively set aside for the fall MA, but might have to round up a new team. This is, of course, contingent on my employment status and domicile at the time.

Oh, and snow is in the forecast for the weekend here.

katiesue
04-17-2008, 12:17 PM
Woo hoo 14! Compared to how badly I thought we sucked - not as sucky as I thought.

innerSpaceman
04-17-2008, 12:28 PM
I'm afraid to look.

katiesue
04-17-2008, 12:45 PM
It's not as bad as you think - tied for 20th.

Link (http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=xx080416xx)

belleh5
04-17-2008, 01:02 PM
It's offical we suck!! :blush: 30th place. I hate the heat!! Zapp & I will not be playing until Fall 2010.

Bornieo: Fully Loaded
04-17-2008, 01:20 PM
Awww, we got 11th this year. :)

Ghoulish Delight
04-17-2008, 01:58 PM
How many points was the chemistry one worth? We got it right, but apparently we were supposed to write the ride that the unscrambled phrase (toadi accelerato) referred to, not the phrase itself, so we didn't get the points for it. And since we weren't playing for keeps anyway, I have no qualms giving myself those theoretical points on that technicality. And had we not beaten the staff to TSI and managed to get the full 70 points early, rather than the consolation 30 points since the island closed...hell, I think that would have put us in 3rd place range, or there abouts! Wow, I feel a LOT better.

katiesue
04-17-2008, 02:05 PM
Chemistry was 50 points.
TSI was 60 points. (which we got right which kind of sucked cause we wasted an hour for a net 30 points).

Ghoulish Delight
04-17-2008, 02:13 PM
Wow, so with the theoretical points we would have been in 4th (3rd highest score). Even keeping the mental-mistake points off and just adding the 30 from TSI we rightly should have received, would have had us in 7th. I'll take a top 10.

swanie
04-17-2008, 02:47 PM
Well, our sucking was equal-opportunity sucking...we each managed to goof up a big point quest. Of course we had everything we really needed to finish all of them.

I "missed" a rule in the Haunted Mansion quest, then we missed a "K" in writing down a word set in Frontierland, and then we mis-read the directions on the Fantasyland Chemistry quest. I feel better that none of them were beyond our abilities but we just didn't execute them.

That would have been 170 points right there, and add that with the net 30 points on the Island quest and it is a huge difference. :( Without the silly mistakes we would have been 3rd.

But, alas...we screwed up this one. ;)

swanie

katiesue
04-17-2008, 02:50 PM
who puts that many K's in a word? I mean seriously - Knickknacks. There shouldn't be two K's in the middle. Who is the Miriam Webster person and how do I file a protest?

Prudence
04-17-2008, 03:05 PM
Oh good - at least we beat the Denton Affair.


Otherwise that would have just been embarrassing.

Ponine
04-17-2008, 03:18 PM
I liked the HM puzzle, but wished that particular puzzle had been more difficult.

I have a left-over 1-day pass tentatively set aside for the fall MA, but might have to round up a new team. This is, of course, contingent on my employment status and domicile at the time.

Oh, and snow is in the forecast for the weekend here.

Why would you have to round up a new team?
And you know, there are a few San Diegans that would still love to meet you, should you be searching.

Not Afraid
04-17-2008, 03:22 PM
Eh, I thought we did better than that. Oh well.

innerSpaceman
04-17-2008, 03:49 PM
had we not beaten the staff to TSI and managed to get the full 70 ... And since we weren't playing for keeps anyway, I have no qualms giving myself those theoretical points on that technicality.
And I have no qualms about awarding our team the same 70 points, since we didn't bother with the very last bit of the quest when they closed the island while we were rafting away from it. Going by MouseAdventure tradition which has burned my team twice in the past, we felt secure in our belief that full points for the quest would be awarded to every team ... and so we stopped wasting valuable time (we'd already spent more than half an hour on the Island).

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather MA award just half points for such closures or mishaps. But that's not what they've done in the past. And we've never been one of the teams to benefit from a quest we didn't attempt, but rather were always the team burned who got no point benefit for quests we spent significant time in getting right.

Ghoulish Delight
04-17-2008, 03:53 PM
but rather were always the team burned who got no point benefit for quests we spent significant time in getting right.
I'm still annoyed that you could just be handed the answer to that math one. I worked my butt off to get that right.

innerSpaceman
04-17-2008, 03:58 PM
Well, at least they told you that in writing up front, as soon as you looked thru the game materials.


But there was no way to know they'd hand out full points for everyone who DIDN'T walk through the Sleeping Beauty Walk-Thru ... and full points for everyone who DIDN'T kill themselves at the Motor Boat Dock with that hellacious protractor map thing ... only to suddenly decide to award only HALF points for everyone who didn't make it to Tom Sawyer Island.


Bah. I hereby award the Denton Affair's mythical score an additional mythical 35 points.


What does that bring us up to? 17th???


Oh, how the mighty have fallen.



But it's nice not having to play for keeps, especially when Anaheim is the second hottest place in the world (or some such bar graph statistic).

Prudence
04-17-2008, 05:32 PM
Why would you have to round up a new team?
And you know, there are a few San Diegans that would still love to meet you, should you be searching.

Well, if NA and the monkey retire - and my spousal unit has already declined to participate in the future - that leaves me on my own.

Stan4dSteph
04-18-2008, 04:16 AM
The recap is up today (http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=mm080418av), and includes a candid photo of iSm as well as the Happy Haunts. Also a good rundown of quests for those who are curious.

Ponine
04-18-2008, 08:17 AM
Well, if NA and the monkey retire - and my spousal unit has already declined to participate in the future - that leaves me on my own.

Well, I didnt even get to play this last time, and I another willing team mate. Our thing is we dont speed very well.

innerSpaceman
04-18-2008, 08:27 AM
The recap is up today (http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=mm080418av), and includes a candid photo of iSm as well as the Happy Haunts.

Hahaha, the back of my head.










ok, yeah, my best side. ;)

LSPoorEeyorick
04-18-2008, 08:33 AM
I think the Todi Mooers are vaguely considering. (Grrreat, just after everyone else is quitting.) But - we've never played before, and I'm DEFINITELY sure we don't speed very well. But we're smart...

Kevy Baby
04-18-2008, 09:11 AM
The recap is up today (http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=mm080418av), and includes a candid photo of iSm as well as the Happy Haunts.And Bornieo (and is that Chernabog sitting on the ground?).

http://albums.mouseplanet.com/S2008Candids/201Candid4_041308.sized.jpg

Ghoulish Delight
04-18-2008, 09:41 AM
Wait, that was Cherny on your team?! I saw you, but totally didn't register that it was Chernabog.

Not Afraid
04-18-2008, 09:44 AM
No, that was Nick and Robin - Gwyren and (I forgot her screen name here - something Hippy).

Ghoulish Delight
04-18-2008, 09:56 AM
Phew, I thought I was more observant than that.

innerSpaceman
04-18-2008, 11:39 AM
Um, Cherny has been forbidden to play by his former teammates. Um, they no longer play either. But the legend lives on.

Morrigoon
04-18-2008, 11:50 AM
That's not true, I'd play with him again. He won't play.

Speaking of which... Minnie's Moonlit Madness is coming up... :)

Kevy Baby
04-18-2008, 11:53 AM
That's not true, I'd play with him again. He won't play.Whadda ya talking about? I heard he plays with all sorts of men in West Hollywood.




Oh, you meant Mouse Adventure. That's a different story...

Ponine
04-18-2008, 12:12 PM
That's not true, I'd play with him again. He won't play.

Speaking of which... Minnie's Moonlit Madness is coming up... :)

I need an eyelash batting smiley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

innerSpaceman
04-18-2008, 12:21 PM
Moonlight Madness was a hoot the only time I played. Hahahaha, TIED TOGETHER. There should SOOO be a MouseAdventure like that.



On one of the Park's most crowded days!!

CoasterMatt
04-18-2008, 12:53 PM
Hey, the one time we played MA, we ran from Tomorrowland to Adventureland holding hands and screaming - some poor woman literally dove to the ground to get out of our way :D

innerSpaceman
04-18-2008, 01:01 PM
TeeHee, and that reminds me, of course, of the time, admittedly after Park closing, that we joined hands and marched down Main Street, literally stretching across the entire width of the street, from building to building, and all the convenience shoppers had to duck and go under.


That was frelling awesome!!!

Morrigoon
04-18-2008, 01:06 PM
MMM is $80/team ($70 if I sign up early). I have to check with Sohrshah and see if she wants to captain her own team or be on mine, but beyond that I have room to form a team. So I have either 1 spot or 3 :)

belleh5
04-18-2008, 01:07 PM
When is MMM?

Morrigoon
04-18-2008, 01:21 PM
Tuesday, May 20th.

Alex
04-18-2008, 03:04 PM
Moonlight Madness was a hoot the only time I played. Hahahaha, TIED TOGETHER. There should SOOO be a MouseAdventure like that.

You can't imagine how much the thought of actually doing that was a source of satisfying vengeful thoughts whenever the game had me vexed.

Hey, the one time we played MA, we ran from Tomorrowland to Adventureland holding hands and screaming - some poor woman literally dove to the ground to get out of our way

And some wonder why I lived in fear for the day Disney said "ok, knock it off. We will now actively attempt to disrupt any event you do."

Kevy Baby
04-18-2008, 04:00 PM
I need an eyelash batting smiley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I posted it elsewhere, but here ya go: http://home.mindspring.com/%7Ekevin_elder/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/eyelash.gif

Ponine
04-18-2008, 04:01 PM
I posted it elsewhere, but here ya go: http://home.mindspring.com/%7Ekevin_elder/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/eyelash.gif

My hero.

Why I suddenly needed it in two threads within five minutes I know not.