New Survivor Cast is out - Fans vs. Favs

[scaeagles]

Posting in a spoiler so if anyone doesn't want to know who the favorites are they can be spared...

OK....I'm excited. Premiers on Feb 7. Included in the favorites....BUff James the Grave Digger, Yau-man (woo-hoo!), and......JOHNNY FAIRPLAY!!!!!!!!!!!

Just having Johnny Fairplay on is worth the price of admission, baby. Looking forward to it.
Complete cast info is on cbs.com.

[Mousey Girl]

I am totally disappointed in the "Favs" cast.

[scaeagles]

Well, I have to admit I'm somewhat disappointed after the three I mentioned. But I'm excited about the three I mentioned.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Ooh, Cirie!

I can't believe they're using the term "favorites" for some of these no-name, forgotten people - it devalues the whole franchise.

[Moonliner]

Ooh, Cirie!

I can't believe they're using the term "favorites" for some of these no-name, forgotten people - it devalues the whole franchise.

Oh whew! I thought not remembering these "fav's" was a sign of my own impending senility.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Pavarti?! Freaking Pavarti!? One of the most annoying survivors ever. Favorites my ass.

[Pirate Bill]

Pavarti?!...Favorites my ass.

Mmmm Pavarti...my favorite ass.

[Nephythys]

*sigh* I wish Rupert was there. Yeah- he's done two already- but he is the best ever IMO

[Stan4dSteph]

I'm excited to see Ozzy return. He is awesome at challenges.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Wow. That was somewhat of a letdown. I'll probably still watch but geez, with the exception of a few, were these the the only ones available/willing?

[Mousey Girl]

I really liked Ozzy. I am happy with him and James, but that is about it.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

*sigh* I wish Rupert was there. Yeah- he's done two already- but he is the best ever IMO

I walked past Rupert yesterday while attending the NAMM show, a musical instrument convention that takes place every year at the Anaheim Convention Center. He was dressed in his typical tye-die shirt with the sleeves cut off and looked exactly the same. Not sure why he was there exactly but people were all hounding him for autographs.

[scaeagles]

I think Rupert is one of those that will always be....famous, I suppose. Even of the list of "favorites", I don't remember many of them, and he is also very distinctive looking. Many of the survivors blend in, but not Rupert.

I think the ones that will always stand out in my mind are Hatch, Rupert, Johnny Fairplay.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Anyone watch?

While I was surprised to discover that I seem to care more about this season, in the end, something about this episode felt VERY setup. The whole Johnny Fairplay thing seemed way too conspicuous. As if they knew they needed him to get people to watch, but either they didn't want him to stick around or he didn't want to stick around, or something. I don't know if I'd accuse them of letting the other Survivors in on it, but I have to wonder if his early exit wasn't semi-orchestrated.

Among other things...once you're voted out, do you get to go home immediately? Doesn't that kinda run the risk of making it obvious who gets voted out early? I thought they had to stay on board through the rest of the production.

[scaeagles]

Was that on last night????? No way! I completely spaced it with Lost on. Bummer.

[Moonliner]

Among other things...once you're voted out, do you get to go home immediately? Doesn't that kinda run the risk of making it obvious who gets voted out early? I thought they had to stay on board through the rest of the production.

These people believe everything I say. What? Have they never watched this show?

I'm betting on no baby and at least even odds on no girlfriend.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Was that on last night????? No way! I completely spaced it with Lost on. Bummer.
You can watch it online.

[Moonliner]

I actually rather enjoyed this first episode. First they obviously selected fans that matched the fav's. One who is bigger/stronger than Gravedigger, another who looks to be a better swimmer/athlete than Ozzie, etc...

Then in the show itself, watching the Fav's getting it together to build a shelter, find food and even start fire while the newbies struggled. Then in the challenge seeing the team with food in their belly trounced by the team with fire in theirs.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I'm betting on no baby and at least even odds on no girlfriend.The baby and girlfriend are quite real (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Fairplay#Personal_life)

That was one thing the first time around, he was ALWAYS truthful in the camera confessionals.

[Moonliner]

The baby and girlfriend are quite real (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Fairplay#Personal_life)

That was one thing the first time around, he was ALWAYS truthful in the camera confessionals.

OK, but I still think he was trying to use that as a tool and I'm happy to have him gone.

Oh, and Scaeagels (and others) don't read that previous sentence until you have watched the episode.

[Ghoulish Delight]

OK, but I still think he was trying to use that as a tool and I'm happy to have him gone. I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but it seemed to me more that he was just using the moment to redeem himself in the eyes of the audience. "Aww, he's all mellowed 'cause he's having a baby." I don't see what he gains by pretending to ask to be kicked off, in terms of game play.

Of course, maybe he really has mellowed 'cause he's having a baby, but the whole thing just felt way too staged to me.

[scaeagles]

Moonliner, I'm feeling pretty stupid continuing to read this thread after GD started with "Did anyone watch this last night?". Since I don't have it DVRed, I figure I might as well, though. Not likely to catch a repeat.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

You can watch it online for free.

[Jupiter]

great ep- LOL

this season looks like fun

damn it Ria- log out of your acct geesh

[Nephythys]

ok-

the couples thing is cracking me up- ozzy & amanda and parvati & james

[Ghoulish Delight]

Much better episode with Fairplay gone.

So after all that work to get everyone to vote for Mary, why did the big guy (Mike?) vote for the other girl? I mean, I could understand voting for Chet (that's the name of the guy who screwed them at the challenge, yes?) as that was the original plan and voting that way would let him pretend he was equally blind sided. It would also have been a good two way play: If he convinced enough people to vote Mary off, then fine, if not, then Plan A would have gone through.

But why vote for the chick?

[scaeagles]

I had the exact same question.

The look on that one guy's face was priceless. Simply priceless.

[Mousey Girl]

Maybe this way he can honestly say that he voted the way that Mikey had asked, and that he has no idea who voted for Mary?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Except that if I understood Mikey's waaaaay over thought "plan", all the guys were supposed to vote for Chet.

[Mousey Girl]

He kept losing me on that. I just remember 1 group was to vote for Tracy (?) and the other was to vote for Chet (who really does need to go).

[Ghoulish Delight]

...Chet (who really does need to go).I kept saying that it must have been confusing for the people Mike was trying to convince. "Wait, vote for the Mary? But I thought we weren't voting for Chet."

[Mousey Girl]

LOL!!!


I have nothing against his being gay, but even if he were straight, I don't think I would care for him.

[Ghoulish Delight]

It has nothing to do with his sexuality, it has to do with being an idiot, volunteering to do the swimming part of the challenge while being incapable of diving under water. Umm, 'tard.

[Mousey Girl]

Even Nick (half-asleep) was yelling at the TV for him to get out of the water.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Awww, Yao-man. Sad.

I'm confused on where Ami stands. She's part of Pinter's alliance, but she seems to be involved in the couples' alliance as she was always there during their conversations. But it's not like they were counting her as a vote, otherwise they wouldn't have needed to get Cerie. So what gives? Meanwhile, she ended up voting for Cerie. Best I can figure that was to spoil Johnathan's hope that 4 votes for Parvati would be enough if the couples split their votes, but why would she do that? Is she just trying to stay neutral? It's not like she's hiding the fact that she's talking to both sides and trading information. Bizarre.

[Pirate Bill]

Can't. Stand. Cerie.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I love Cerie. She knows how to take control of the game.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Awww, Yao-man. Sad.



I really thought that was a stupid move. Sure, his intelligence and likability is a threat down the road, but that intelligence is also a heck of an asset at this stage of the game. Not all of the challenges are physical and Yao-man has proven himself to be great at things like puzzles and such. Not to mention that it was he that first sunk a coconut. Hell, he is the reason they have fire. Parvati, on the other hand, is basically useless.

[scaeagles]

Parvati makes me ill. Sad to see Yau man go. Was surprised that the challengers won the inmmunity. That fire fighter guy may not be as defined as James, but he must be pretty strong.

[Nephythys]

So after all that work to get everyone to vote for Mary, why did the big guy (Mike?) vote for the other girl?
But why vote for the chick?

I figure it's so he can honestly say he did not vote for Mary.

[Mousey Girl]

I liked Cerie on her first season. I can't stand Jonathon, never did like him. I was pleased with Cerie for not backing down from his bullying. I would have preferred seeing him go over Yau, but Yau got on my nerves a bit too. for a smart man he is a bit too gullible.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

That fire fighter guy may not be as defined as James, but he must be pretty strong.I swear, every time that guy says something, I am disappointed he doesn't talk like the Hulk. "Hulk smash! Win challenge! Stir up trouble at tribal council!!!"

[Moonliner]

Eliza, Pavarti, Amanda and Cirie all voted Yao-Man.

Man wise, That leaves us with

Jonathan, Ozzie and James

I think we just saw the first move of a Woman's allience. With Pavarti and Amanda playing Ozzie and James.

[Mousey Girl]

I thought Eliza voted for Pavarti and Ami voted for Yau.

I will not swear to that, I have trouble seeing the names they are holding up during the credits.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I thought Eliza voted for Pavarti and Ami voted for Yau.

I will not swear to that, I have trouble seeing the names they are holding up during the credits.Aliza did vote for Pavarti. Ami voted for Cerie. The couples voted for Yao and Cerie voted for Yao. Johnathan and Yao voted for Pavarti. So it was 5-3-1.

ETA: wait, on second thought, I'm assuming Eliza voted Pavarti, I didn't watch end credits to confirm. Hmmm...

[Moonliner]

ETA: wait, on second thought, I'm assuming Eliza voted Pavarti, I didn't watch end credits to confirm. Hmmm...

Go back and check if you like. I'll wait....

[Ghoulish Delight]

Already deleted from the TiVo, and I'm not going to sit through it online. I'll take Wikipedia's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivor:_Micronesia#Voting_History) word on it. Eliza did indeed vote for Yao. Guess she saw that Johnathan's alliance was a sinking ship and jumped.

And damnit, it's Parvati, not Pavarti. And her last name is "Shallow". Really.

[Mousey Girl]

However you spell it, she pronounces it so wierd it makes me cringe whenever I hear it.

[Mousey Girl]

I went to the CBS website. Somewhere there is a very interesting interview of Yau. All I read were recaps (still only computing at work). The Favs draw stones to see who is going to Exile. That was how Cirie knew that Yau was next. Ami voted for Cirie and told her "alliance" that before the vote. She knew that Cirie had seen at least 3 of the 4 clues and thinks that Cirie has the idol.

[Ghoulish Delight]

CP disagrees with me, but I cry foul on bringing back that insane contraption for the immunity challenge. There were 2 people on the favorites team that had done it before, that's a massively unfair advantage, imo. It was one small step below having them do a puzzle that 2 people already knew the answer to. And it showed as the favorites tore through that part of the challenge while the fans barely made any progress at all.

Other than that, I also hated the episode because the fans listened to Tracy. Which means Tracy will feel justified in her arguments. Which means she'll talk more. And she annoys the snot out of me.

[scaeagles]

Tracy is freaky looking - like a bit to much plastic surgery freaky looking. She annoys me as well.

I didn't realize that the challenge was something of a repeat.

[Ghoulish Delight]

They used the identical aparatus last season. I remember it well because the two tribes were on the course at the same time and became a major pushing and shoving match, it was awesome. But having people who had maneuvered it before was obviously a big advantage this time around.

[Pirate Bill]

Getting the contraption unlocked seemed to be the hardest part for the fans to get through. That put them at the disadvantage from the start and it wouldn't have mattered how fast they maneuvered the course.

But I do agree that it was weak for them to recycle this particular challenge.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Yes, that put them in a big hole so they would have lost either way. But they never came close to making it through the course, they were clearly struggling more than the favorites.

And I consider it more than weak, it's patently lame. To me, the crux of Survivor is, "Let's take these people, put them in awful survival conditions so they're hungry, weak, and tire. Then let's throw some crazy-ass challenges at them and watch 'em flail!" So the interesting part of this season, with one experienced tribe vs. one inexperienced tribe was, "Does being better at the survival part give you an advantage?" All other things being equal (i.e., still not knowing the particulars of a challenge), does eating and sleeping better translate to victory.

Of COURSE they're going to win a challenge that has a learning curve and that they've already done. That says nothing interesting, to me. That's just stacking things in their favor.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Perhaps my favorite exchange from last night:

James: "I can't believe we voted out Yau instead of Eliza."

Eliza: "I'm right here you know."

James: "Yeah, but you're about to die."

And seriously, is Ozzy's father Aquaman or what? I keep expecting to see gills on the side of his neck. Having said that, he really created a piss-poor idol replica and yet, wrapping it back up in the cloth will probably fool someone, especially someone with a lack of brain cells. Joel, perhaps.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Fun episode last night. :) Man, that was a brutal rewards challenge. Geez, let's take the most non-athletic guy on the team and strap him to a charging bull. That should pan out nicely.

Cheri is still doing what she does best, manipulating the whole game. Watching Joel's facial expression gradually change during the vote was priceless. And, it would appear, according to the preview that there is someone dumb enough to think the fake idol is real. Good stuff!

[Ghoulish Delight]

Yeah, love her or hate her, you have to admit Cerie knows how to play the game, and play it well.

It seems that they are coming up with more and more dangerous challenges. I'm finding it kinda absurd.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

It seems that they are coming up with more and more dangerous challenges. I'm finding it kinda absurd.

Indeed. By the previews, it appeared that there is a chance that Jonathon's injury may be somewhat serious. I wonder if he will have to bow out? I know they test these challenges beforehand but still, I'm surprised someone wasn't more seriously hurt.

[Capt Jack]

Fun episode last night. :) Man, that was a brutal rewards challenge. Geez, let's take the most non-athletic guy on the team and strap him to a charging bull.

I never watch this show. ever. sure enough, I stumbled across it last night as these two were chasing down the last team for the flag.

skinny boy took one hell of a header over the fence and raging bull never even slowed down. dragged him along like a duffle

nice pairing. best laugh Ive had at something on TV in a long while

[Pirate Bill]

Another repeated challenge.

I'm glad they did the right thing and ejected Chet. Jonathan was at risk of loosing his leg or even his life and he didn't want to leave the game. Chet had a little booboo on his heal and he was begging to be voted off. It's just too bad they took so long to do it.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Ozzy's lucky everyone else is stupid.

His response to the guy guessing that he had the idol was, "Either he's really bad at following clues, or he gave up." Umm, so you're saying that anyone who didn't find the idol is an idiot who can't follow clues? Which means either A) You, Ozzy, found the idol, or B) You're an idiot. If anyone had thought twice about what he said, they would have realized that he definitely has the idol.

But then, dude believed that a stick with 3 notches cut into it is an idol, so I suppose Ozzy was safe assuming everyone else is too stupid to figure it out.

I bet, as James was carrying those posts, the other tribe was kicking themselves for voting Joel off.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Ozzy's lucky everyone else is stupid.

His response to the guy guessing that he had the idol was, "Either he's really bad at following clues, or he gave up." Umm, so you're saying that anyone who didn't find the idol is an idiot who can't follow clues? Which means either A) You, Ozzy, found the idol, or B) You're an idiot. If anyone had thought twice about what he said, they would have realized that he definitely has the idol.



Agreed. I was amazed that he gave that response. Not the brightest move, but, like you said, it didn't seem to matter. I really thought Ozzy was going to go home last night.

Felt sorry for Jonathan, even though I didn't like him all that much.

[Pirate Bill]

Good thing my DVR is more on top of things than I am. I didn't know Survivor was going to be on last night until I sat down and saw it already recording.

If you didn't see it last night, spoilers below...





In the first 30 seconds of the episode when Tracy announced that she was going to try to get Ozzie out I knew she was going to be the one to go. Nice try by Ami to try to sneak attack Ozzie in the votes. It would have been quite a thing to see, but it was definitely the wrong thing to do. That tribe is having a very hard time in the challenges and Ozzie is their only hope at the moment.

Nice shower scene.

[Ghoulish Delight]

So glad Tracy is gone. She annoyed me.

I knew there was no way Eric would vote against Ozzy. No way. It was a pretty clever concept from Ami, but too many moving parts to pull off.

What I'm curious about is, with 2 people bailing early (injury and quitting), what did that do to the season? Are they running 2 fewer episodes than they would have? Kinda weird.

[Ghoulish Delight]

There is nothing quite so funny as a fake idol.

Making up "Dabu" was pretty good to. I wonder if Erik played Warcraft II.

Line of the night: "You can't miss when your eyes roll, Eliza."

[scaeagles]

I used to like Ozzie, but he's getting a bit cocky. Parvati makes me ill.

[Mousey Girl]

Jason is a bigger idiot than I had previously thought. Watching James totally lose it really amused me.

My mom doesn't think that Erik is playing with a full deck. She just can't get past his occupation as "Ice Cream Scooper." I told her that means he probably works for Cold Stone.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

E-rik! E-rik! E-rik!

He could...go...all...the...way!

[scaeagles]

That was the single greatest blindside in the history of Survivor. That was freakin' awesome.

The thing I like best about it was Ozzy and his "Jason is so stupid - it's about outwit and he got outwitted." His glare shows just how cocky he had gotten. I thought he was going to redeem himself at the end in talking about how stupid he was, but then when he said screw you to whomever went against him.....eh, screw you, cocky Ozzy! You were so proud of yourself with the fake idol and how you were OK going against your promise to Jason that it serves you right.

[Mousey Girl]

As much as Jason bugs me, that was perfect!!

Ozzy was getting way too big for his britches. It was nice to see him blindsided. Eliza's reaction was great.

[Moonliner]

I can't stand Cirie but if she really was the one to broker the Ozzie flambe then go her. It was a great survivor moment. The elation on Eliza's face contrasted with the despair on Amanda's was classic. Poor Amanda. It's tough when the ship you have tied yourself to turns out to be an anchor.


The camp talk at the start of next weeks episode should be a lot of fun.

[Ghoulish Delight]

That wasn't the greatest blindside ever. The one Cirie orchestrated in her first season was. She's a freaking mastermind. I noticed, and the previews confirmed that not only did she organize this, but it's Parvati who is going to take the heat for it. And not only that, Parvati will be happy to take the heat for it because it'll make her feel like she's the brains. Mastermind.

[Pirate Bill]

It looked to me like Ozzy's core alliance did stick with him. Was there a strong 5th member that flipped? Is he thinking Cirie or Parvati are tight with him? I just don't get his whining. He got outplayed. Plain and simple.

I still am not a Cirie fan, but that was a very brilliant move.

[scaeagles]

I still think this was more amazing than the previous one you reference, GD.

Perhaps I'm just thinking that because Ozzy was making me so angry with his cockiness of late. He went from his original season being a nice guy and an amazing competitor to someone who seemed to believe this Survivor title was his birthright.

I think Parvati is going to take the heat because she was in the original tight foursome of Ozzy, Amanda, James, and Parvati.

[Moonliner]

Ozzy did not bring the immunity idol with him to tribal council. It would be interesting if someone stumbled across it back at camp.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I still think this was more amazing than the previous one you reference, GD.

Perhaps I'm just thinking that because Ozzy was making me so angry with his cockiness of late. He went from his original season being a nice guy and an amazing competitor to someone who seemed to believe this Survivor title was his birthright.Which is why I don't consider this one as amazing. How many times had the prospect of voting Ozzy out been floated around, plus he had admitted to having the immunity idol. Picking him off was on everyone's mind, it didn't even take her much effort to make it happen. I don't remember the details of her last one, but I remember it being a massively out-of-left field move, and I think it was the first time original tribe alliances broke down completely.

It looked to me like Ozzy's core alliance did stick with him. Was there a strong 5th member that flipped? Is he thinking Cirie or Parvati are tight with him? I just don't get his whining. He got outplayed. Plain and simple.Ozzie didn't think Parvati would flip on him.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Ozzy did not bring the immunity idol with him to tribal council.
What makes you say that?

[Moonliner]

What makes you say that?

His flat out saying it. (In the extra clips on the CBS website)

[Motorboat Cruiser]

I wasn't surprised to see Ozzie go. I was surprised that he was still in the game. He just didn't seem to have the ability to read what was going on around him. Not to mention, he really should have won the last two immunity challenges.

Cerie is a force to be reckoned with. Seemingly within minutes of returning from Exile, she is working her magic like a pro. I'm not saying she will go all the way but she probably one of the best manipulators there, and she does a great job of staying under the radar.

[Prudence]

I love Cirie. I have since she was on the first time. She is brilliant.

[scaeagles]

I want it to be clear that I wasn't surprised to see Ozzy go. Ozzy was surprised to see Ozzy go. He had no freakin' clue, and it was wonderful.

I've never been a big Cerie fan, but I will admit she is one of the most masterful players in the history of the game.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I suppose in terms of how clueless that target was in comparison to how obvious it was that they should have seen it coming, I suppose yeah it's the biggest ever. But I still say, in terms of brilliant orchestration, this had nothing on the fist one. All Cirie had to do was say, "Okay, now?" No brainer. The first one was a bloody brilliant bit of strategy, this one was just being successfully opportunistic.


I hated Cirie to start, when she was afraid of leaves. But she sucked it up and learned to kick ass, so she won me over.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

James is staying surprisingly under the radar this season. Not trying to dominate every challenge, just sort of floating along. If he can do that for another couple of episodes, then kick things into high gear, he just may be able to have an Immunity challenge winning streak and keep himself safe.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Eliza is a clown. :rolleyes: having to see her react like a cartoon character nearly ruined the moment.

Cerie rules, though the whole tribe gets a ding for lying to Jason about guarantees. Jerks. Not to say he isn't the most gullible survivor - twice over.

[scaeagles]

I've tried to give Jason a break....but man, he is just stupid. Ozzie is guilty of trusting his alliance - not stupid, just bitter. For Jason to do the same thing two or three days later? Wow.....just stupid.

And, uh, Ozzie.....get over it already. You got outplayed and were lied to, the same as you've lied to others (including your gaurantee to Jason).

[Mousey Girl]

Did anyone else see the blur masking Ozzy's finger when he came in to sit and flipped them all off?

I thought it was interesting that Natalie didn't vote for Jason...

As for his not playing the idol, I would have thought he would have played it once everyone started staring at him. That was a dead giveaway that he was out.

[Alex]

Why? Everybody knows you're the only one who could have it. So wouldn't it be pretty logical that when the question is asked if anybody is going to use it that they'd look at you?

Not that not playing it really makes any sense regardless.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

I'm surprised that nobody commented on this week's episode. I just got finished watching it and thought it was one of the better ones this season.

- Really sad that James was taken out of the game, although I suspect his days were numbered anyway.

- I REALLY don't like Natalie. Having said that, who wouldn't want to go up against her at the end of the game?

- Finally, someone uses the hidden immunity idol. I loved some of those facial expressions.

- At this point, the only person I would really like to see win is Cerie.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

James is staying surprisingly under the radar this season. Not trying to dominate every challenge, just sort of floating along. If he can do that for another couple of episodes, then kick things into high gear, he just may be able to have an Immunity challenge winning streak and keep himself safe.

Or not.

[scaeagles]

Cerie is certainly the puppet master.

I like the remaining guy enough (Eric?) and I'm looking forword to how the next episode plays out. Amanda and Parvati are going to pair up, and Cerie and Natalia are going to pair up, and they will be battling for Eric as the swing vote.

[Nephythys]

Best 4 eps of Survivor in a long time-

-the fake immunity idol
-Ozzy gets blindsided
-Jason gets blindsided
-and Amanda stays safe while Alexis gets blindsided

Seriously fun to watch!

[Moonliner]

Agreed, this season is a lot of fun to watch.

I do wonder why, at the immunity challenge, the girl clique did not just all shoot for one color bottle and freeze out Eric. That would have been classic. Yes, Jeff said that to win you need to break all your bottles but there was nothing (in what we heard) against hitting an opponents.

Also I don't give Cerie near as much credit as some others seem to. So far things are happening in her favor but I don't think she can claim much of the credit nor I have I seen her do much to influence the game. Parv ousted Ozzie and Parv/Amanda ousted Alexis. Cerie is just riding the flow since she is a zero threat to win ANY immunity challenges.

[Disneyphile]

I hope Erik wins. I can't stand the girls at this point.

And, what the hell is it with everyone getting hurt this season? Wow!

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I do wonder why, at the immunity challenge, the girl clique did not just all shoot for one color bottle and freeze out Eric. Because they're stupid.

Ugh, such bitchiness is so disgusting. I can't stop grimacing when Natalie is talking to the camera. Blech.

[Disneyphile]

I can't stop grimacing when Natalie is talking to the camera. Blech.And what is it with that chick's eyebrows? They look completely plucked and tattooed.

[Moonliner]

And what is it with that chick's eyebrows? They look completely plucked and tattooed.

*woof* :D

[Moonliner]

I'll use a spoiler to make sure you west coast folks have time to see the episode tonight.

Yup. This is clearly best season in quite some time. What a rube. What a maroon..... Sure I'll give up immunity!

[scaeagles]

Blink. Blink. Blink.

What. An. Idiot.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Also I don't give Cerie near as much credit as some others seem to. So far things are happening in her favor but I don't think she can claim much of the credit nor I have I seen her do much to influence the game.

I think she certainly helped to influence the game tonight. :D

I don't think the plan would have worked had Cerie not further convinced Eric. He didn't trust Natalie but Cerie got him to go with it.

I loved James' comment at the end. "My reign as dumbest Survivor player ever is finally over!"

Now, it's going to get ugly.

[scaeagles]

I think it already has been ugly.

But I don't think it deos get ugly, really. I think the scenarios are quite easy to predict. If Natalie doesn't win immunity, she's gone. If she does. it's a 2-2 tie between Amanda (as voted by Cerie and Natalie) and Cerie (as voted by Parv and Amanda). That leave a lot of possibilitoes for the final 3, so I don't want to try to break that down.

[Mousey Girl]

I love watching the reations of the jury, especially James.

[Moonliner]

I think she certainly helped to influence the game tonight. :D

I don't think the plan would have worked had Cerie not further convinced Eric. He didn't trust Natalie but Cerie got him to go with it.

I loved James' comment at the end. "My reign as dumbest Survivor player ever is finally over!"

Now, it's going to get ugly.

As I was watching the show last night I just knew I'd catch hell for this one. :rolleyes:

Yes, Cerie came out and played the puppet master. I think, much as I hate it, she might take the whole thing....

[Pirate Bill]

I'm still in a stupor. After Erik gave up immunity my jaw dropped and I still haven't picked it up. Those girls played him like pros. Every single word they uttered at tribal council was cleverly designed to make Erik want to give up immunity. I'm amazed at both the skill all of the girls exhibited to guilt-trip Erik into doing their bidding and at the stupidity of Erik to fall for it.

[Alex]

I can't remember, is there any reason to play for second? Because if not, then wasn't Erik correct that he had no shot anyway unless he may some big bold play since nobody would vote to give him the million dollars?

Other than getting to be in another episode did he really lose anything?

[Motorboat Cruiser]

I think I remember hearing a few years back that the runner-up gets $100K.

[Alex]

Ah, well then yes on the very stupid. I always thought it was just an all or nothing show (in terms of prizes at the end).

[Strangler Lewis]

First season they were very explicit that it was $1mm, 100k, 50k, 25k, thanks for playing. Second season they were very explicit that Colby had made a $900K mistake in taking Tina to the final instead of Keith.

[mousepod]

Yeah. Eric was a complete idiot. Cerie has been the true puppet master for most of the game. She deserves to win.

[Moonliner]

Amanda - Parv- Cerie - Natalie

So where do we go from here?

If Natalie gets immunity, Then Amanda-Parv will lobby to vote out Cerie and the three of them move on. If Natalie does not go for that then we have a two way tie for a competition tie-breaker between Cerie and either Amanda or Parv. Dollars to donuts Cerie will lose no matter what the tie-breaker is.

If Cerie, by some miracle, gets immunity, Natalie goes home.

If Amandaor Parv get immunity then they get to choose, they can take either Natalie or Cerie to the final three. Personally I think Natalie made more enemies then Cerie. So I'd boot Cerie.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

I would like to see Cerie win, simply for her ability to suck at challenges and yet, still stay so far under the radar while quietly controlling much of the game. Being a survivor, IMO, is more about brains than brawn. Cerie has used hers to stay alive every step of the way, even if she can't win an immunity challenge. That's commendable in my opinion.

Any yet, I think Moonie is right. She is going to have to pull out a win if she is going to go further than the next tribal council and she likely doesn't have that ability if there is anything physical about the challenge. None of the other women are exactly formidable physical challengers though, so she does have a slight chance. If, by some miracle, she survives the next tribal, she just might be able to pull something off. Unlikely - but possible.

[Moonliner]

if there is anything physical about the challenge.

Typically the "final challenge" is based on physical endurance. Goose. Cooked.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Typically the "final challenge" is based on physical endurance. Goose. Cooked.

You are probably right, although her competition isn't exactly formidable in that regard. Perhaps she can pull something off (ok, she never has before but...)

By the way, everyone probably already knows this but, just in case - The season finale is this Sunday. Get those tivos set. :)

[Ghoulish Delight]

I kinda agree with Alex in that if he was playing to win, giving up immunity may have been his only option. The entire jury hates him, if he's in final 3, he's gets 3rd. Period.

That said, there's no way he should have thought it worked, so even though it might have been the correct last, desperate act, he's still an idiot for thinking it would actually work. Maybe if he had come up with it himself and, without consulting anyone, given it up to her at tribal he might have had a chance of convincing everyone of his selflessness. Maybe. But to follow the advice of 3 women who flat out told them to his face they were pissed at him for lying to them? Wow. Just....wow.

[Alex]

Not having seen the season earlier than a few episodes ago, why does everybody hate him?

Other than being dim, he seems likable enough. Was there some specific act or just a clash of personality?

[Ghoulish Delight]

He's flipped alliances a few times.

[scaeagles]

I think he could have totally turned the whole thing around on them. They have been scheming little wenches, lying to and getting rid of James, Ozzie, and trying to do the same to Jason. All he had to do was bring that stuff up at tribal to deflect the criticism he was having by pointing out that they do it when it is in their best interest and the only thing he did wrong was that they are better at lying and scheming than he is.

[Moonliner]

I think he could have totally turned the whole thing around on them. They have been scheming little wenches, lying to and getting rid of James, Ozzie, and trying to do the same to Jason. All he had to do was bring that stuff up at tribal to deflect the criticism he was having by pointing out that they do it when it is in their best interest and the only thing he did wrong was that they are better at lying and scheming than he is.

And then turned to them and said "So you bitches better vote me out if you ever get the chance because I plan to win every immunity challenge and go all the way."

Of course that would have required some balls which Erik is sadly lacking.

[scaeagles]

Would have loved to see it. Probably would have ensured himself Ozzie, James, and Jason voting for him, anyway!

[Moonliner]

Well it's over.

That was a helluva season. I'll wait till tomorrow to go into details...

[Ghoulish Delight]

So at some point in there, he said he was just completely confused by how the girls acted. Apparently Erik never went to summer camp.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Most uncomfortable final Tribal Council ever. I'll wait until tomorrow to talk about the winner.

[Moonliner]

Was Nat hitting on Parv during tribal? That was kinda weird.

Apparently Ozzie can hold a grudge.

I'm surprised how badly Amanda did at the judgement. It clearly cost her the win. When Cerie asked why Amanda/parv deserved to be there more than her the answer Amanda should have given was, I voted you out because you were the biggest threat. That's what you do in this game.

Personally, being the deep intellectual that I am, I tend to vote for the eye candy to go farther in the game. From that point of view this was pretty much the perfect season but as always a meal of just candy is sweet going down but leaves you a bit empty in the end.

[scaeagles]

That Nat thing was just a bit odd.

It seems as if juries tend to respect and vote for the schemer that can make it successfully to the final two.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Bwahah, Natalie is a dirty bitch that can't even wait until after the final tribal to hit on somebody. Lordy.

Ozzie turned out to be Mr. Drama as soon as he got targeted. His exit speech was also full of hatred for those that had outplayed him. I wonder if he would have been over acting all the time if he had felt threatened, instead of being blindsided.

Amanda did the same poor job at her last Final tribal. She just sucks at that, even though she's good at everything else, causing the same result as last time.

Very entertaining season...I have a feeling next one won't be nearly as good.

[Alex]

I only watched the last 5 episodes and of the final four Cirie was the only one where I had any positive desire to see her get the money. So once she was out I really didn't care any more.

If I were on the jury as soon as Ozzy made his "I think I'm falling in love" speech I would have changed my vote from Amanda to Parvati and said "Hey, Amanda, I'm doing this for you. Let's see if he's still falling in love with you when you don't have a million dollars."

I only watched the first 15 minutes of the reunion show. Did anything progress with Amanda and Ozzy or was it just isolation induced lusting?

[Moonliner]

I only watched the last 5 episodes and of the final four Cirie was the only one where I had any positive desire to see her get the money. So once she was out I really didn't care any more.

If I were on the jury as soon as Ozzy made his "I think I'm falling in love" speech I would have changed my vote from Amanda to Parvati and said "Hey, Amanda, I'm doing this for you. Let's see if he's still falling in love with you when you don't have a million dollars."

I only watched the first 15 minutes of the reunion show. Did anything progress with Amanda and Ozzy or was it just isolation induced lusting?

Screw Ozzy and Amanda, I want to know about Nat and Parv. :D


Ps, Yes. Amanda did say at one point that her and Ozzie are involved.

[Ghoulish Delight]

They said they are still together.

Was Nat hitting on Parv during tribal? That was kinda weird.
Bwahaha. "So, like, are you actually bi, or were you just flirting in the game? 'cause I'd totally hit that if you're serious." Ugh, thank GOD Nat lost that immunity challenge.

Once again, Amanda blew her chance with a terrible final tribal council. She just does not know how to answer those questions.

[Moonliner]

Very entertaining season...I have a feeling next one won't be nearly as good.

Statistically I think you are on safe ground there.

If you were the producer for Survivor what would you be thinking about for future theming?

I was thinking that a couples season would be interesting. Start off in pairs and see how things go.... (they could bring back nat and parv!)

A "family version"? I'd have to think that one is a non-starter.

Survivor "Runner ups" or "First outs"

An International version could be fun. Why limit it to just American contestants? Favorites vs indigenous population. Ok, Favorites welcome to "Survivor Sahara" would you like to meet who you are playing against? Let's bring in team Tuareg! Who has an advantage now Johnathan.

[Pirate Bill]

What a disappointing finale. Amanda should have taken it, but she has no skills with talking to the jury. She did slightly better this time than the last, but still not good enough. And then to have her loose to Parv...ugh. At least the two hottest chicks lasted to the end.

I thought Ozzy was a great competitor and probably the greatest survivor ever, but I lost some respect for him at his whiny exit speech. Then I lost the remainder of my respect at his tribal council bitching. What a baby.

And what was wrong with Probst. His hair was all greasy and he looked sick.

[Alex]

Screw Ozzy and Amanda, I want to know about Nat and Parv. :D

I don't want to think about that. Natalie is, to me anyway, extremely unattractive. She looks like the love child of a groundhog and a lizard that grew up and got fake boobs.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Glad to see James get a little something. Not quite on par with Rupert's million but still nice to see.

Damn, Cerie. When Natalie was voted off, I really thought things were looking up for you. But it was short-lived. First you get screwed by the producers going back to the two-finalist system, then you just barely miss out on that immunity challenge. Amanda's hands had some serious shakes going on and she was going to drop the ball any second. You were so close and you could have beaten either of them against the jury. But, in your own words, it just wasn't meant to be.

[Stan4dSteph]

Did they show a preview for next season at the end of the reunion?

[Ghoulish Delight]

They did. It's in Africa, no other distinguishing gimmicks.

[Moonliner]

Did they show a preview for next season at the end of the reunion?

I don't think so, but I did not watch the entire show.

I read where the next show is filming "In Africa, on the equator" with 15 new contestants, 8-guys and 7-gals. They are broken into tribes via the old schoolyard pick after captains are picked based on an impromptu "how long can you hold your breath" challenge right as they hit the beach.

First to go is, Jan because she apparently used too much "colorful" language when referring to the ethnicity of other tribe members.

Next was one of the guys, Jackson, followed by Chris and Alex.

At the merge the alliance that Jackie and Kate made on the beach before being split into tribes is put to the test when Kate finds out Jackie is a Yankees fan.

Kate is sent home after getting put into anaphylactic shock while swimming with those "mostly harmless" jellyfish.

As we get down to the final three, they form a brute squad and hog-tie Jeff Probst to a torch and parade him up and down the beach while singing "We are the champions". They don't release him until their demands for two pop-tarts each is meet by the camera crew.

[scaeagles]

All I know is it's in Gabon.

[Mousey Girl]

I don't want to think about that. Natalie is, to me anyway, extremely unattractive. She looks like the love child of a groundhog and a lizard that grew up and got fake boobs.

I finally put my finger on who she reminded me of. She looks like a Who from How the Grinch Stole Christmas (the live action version).

[Moonliner]

I finally put my finger on who she reminded me of. She looks like a Who from How the Grinch Stole Christmas (the live action version).

Oh great, so now I'm hot for a who.

[Strangler Lewis]

I think they should go to a cold climate for a change of pace. Yes, they couldn't run around half naked all season, but that might be a good thing. Then, the final challenge could involve endurance against the cold with the contestants losing an article of clothing at suitable intervals.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Oh great, so now I'm hot for a who.Is that somhow worse than being hot for a mega-bitch who admitted she'd discovered her true self while cackling over her conniving deeds?

[Moonliner]

a mega-bitch who admitted she'd discovered her true self while cackling over her conniving deeds?

Are you kidding? That's what makes her hot! :D

[scaeagles]

I gotta agree with CP - she's WAY to bitchy for me to find even semi attractive.

[Alex]

I didn't find her bitchy. Just physically unattractive.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Nat's just fugly, bitchiness or not.

Now, if we were talking Parvati and Amanda, that's a different story.

I gotta say, Parvati actually played really well. She impressed me, was not nearly as hatefully annoying as her first season, and seemed to actually be thinking out there. It really was her who cemented the whole girls' alliance thing. Remember how pissed Amanda was at that?

[lashbear]

You do realise this whole series han't even aired over here yet.

Now you've gone and spoiled it all for me.

Boo Hoo.

How dare you force me to read this whole thread.

[frodo potter]

You do realise this whole series han't even aired over here yet.

Now you've gone and spoiled it all for me.

Boo Hoo.

How dare you force me to read this whole thread.

Fine you can start a thread and tell us whats happing in Neighbors. I don't think its on TV over here anymore but hey a spoilers a spoiler:D