Question for gay men

[RStar]

There was some disscsion about a pair of giant blow up boobies at an Elton John concert. Now, I know there are much more than gay men in the audience, but someone said "the gay men like boobies, too!"

So, I just had to ask. I'm just wondering. But I'm afraid to make this a poll :D .

Now, yes, I do like breasts (but this is a non-gay opinion so it doesn't count). But I must admit that a low cut back dress is even more attractive to me. I call this "The back side of boobies".

Also, I can appreciate the human body in a non-sexual way in both the male and female form.

[Kevy Baby]

I think there is a question somewhere in that post ;)

[Disneyphile]

Translation: Why do gay men like boobies?

[JWBear]

This gay man is not a boobie lover. I don't dislike them, they just don't affect me in any way. They're just there.

[innerSpaceman]

Well, techincally I'm bisexual ... so perhaps my answer doesn't count. But even when (or if) I'm not sexually aroused by them ... I do find great beauty in the female form ... and a nice (Goldiloxian 'just right') set of knockers augments that quite nicely, and thus I appreciate them.

But I don't think gay men "like" boobies in the same way that straight men do. The difference is that I think more than a few gay men can appreciate the beauty of a nice pair of tits, and hardly any straight men will (admit to) admire a beautiful c o< k.

[Not Afraid]

I think it's fascination or a different sort. Ask Todd. ;)

[blueerica]

Haha, I was thinking the same thing, GD!

[Not Afraid]

GD hasn't posted here.

[Kevy Baby]

Haha, I was thinking the same thing, GD!GD? He (thus far) has not posted in this thread.

[Kevy Baby]

Jinx!

[blueerica]

Whoops... I meant NA. Why the heck did I say that... he's up in LA watching Tom's movie.

[blueerica]

*sniff*

[Not Afraid]

Fine. That is quite a transformation on my part.

[blueerica]

Well, you know... I work really hard at confusing people. ;)

[€uroMeinke]

and hardly any straight men will (admit to) admire a beautiful c o< k.

I'm wondering what the aesthetic qualities might be that make one a beauty (aside from the cliché of size) for that matter, what makes for a pretty vulva?

[innerSpaceman]

Oh, i could go on and on. :cool:

[Alex]

The difference is that I think more than a few gay men can appreciate the beauty of a nice pair of tits, and hardly any straight men will (admit to) admire a beautiful c o< k.

I'll admit to that. I have never seen a penis and thought it was good looking. I must admit that I have no idea why anybody not physically attached to one would ever want to touch or see another one. Paul Reiser once said in an episode of Mad About You that lesbian porn was hot because he agreed with both of them. I buy into that. I couldn't disagree more strongly with straight women and gay men.

Now, I don't care if they're there, they just do absolutely nothing for me. Admittedly, I haven't given them a full shot at convincing me otherwise but I've made out with men and that didn't do a damn thing for me so I don't feel any need for further experimentation.

But I do like boobies.

[lashbear]

quickly ducking in from work to say I'll reply when at home. :blush:

[Kevy Baby]

quickly ducking in from work to say I'll reply when at home. :blush:Is that a warning?

[Jazzman]

Not gay, but I couldn't let a thread regarding Shangri La... er, I mean The Promised Land... er, boobs, go by without saying something.

I like boobies.

:)

[blueerica]

Boobies are good.

So are tacos.

It's something just about everyone can agree on.

[innerSpaceman]

No. Sorry. Gay Men DO NOT LIKE TACOS.


Um .... no.

[Kevy Baby]

No. Sorry. Gay Men DO NOT LIKE TACOS.Do bi-sexual men like tacos?

[€uroMeinke]

No. Sorry. Gay Men DO NOT LIKE TACOS.


Um .... no.

Surely their beauty can still be admired?

[Jazzman]

Are we talking soft tacos or hard tacos?

[JWBear]

I have to admit that, in general, genitalia are not the most attractive parts of human anatomy.

[BarTopDancer]

Wow. Boobies and tacos and no NM.

I guess the words "gay man" are a deterrent. Sometimes.

[innerSpaceman]

But doesn't he get an email alert when boobies and tacos are mentioned in the same thread?


Do bi-sexual men like tacos?

I dunno, maybe we can ask one.



Surely their beauty can still be admired?
Um, no, i don't think so. But now I feel like seeing that movie, Teeth.



Either way, I think it's best to compare outties with outties. And it's really only the outties that can be appreciated in the street-legal settings (admittedly, with that criteria heavily favoring the boobies over the junk).

[Kevy Baby]

Do bi-sexual men like tacos?

I dunno, maybe we can ask one.

Well, technically I'm bisexualHence why I posed the question.

Unless you were referring back to me. I DEFINITELY like tacos (and not crunchy ones - that's just wrong).

[Kevy Baby]

I have to admit that, in general, genitalia are not the most attractive parts of human anatomy.Yet, I could stare at female genitalia all day long. I love the variety of looks.

[innerSpaceman]

I gotta admit ... i'm not a big taco fan.







Maybe it's 'cause i grew up on the east coast.

[€uroMeinke]

I stand corrected - a google search on "genital aesthetics" reveals there are numerous opinions on what is beautiful. from one site:

Female Genital Surgery

Physicians have neglected aesthetic surgery of the female external genitalia. However, awareness of female genital aesthetics has increased owing to increased media attention, both from magazines and video. Women may feel self-conscious about the appearance of their labia majora (outer lips) or, more commonly, labia minora (inner lips). The aging female may dislike the descent of her pubic hair and labia. A large pubic fat deposit may be unsightly. Because very few physicians are concerned with the appearance of the female external genitalia, many women seeking help are frustrated.


The site offers these "modifications"

Labia Minora Reduction (http://www.altermd.com/Female%20Genital%20Surgery/labia_minora_reduction.htm)
Clitoropexy
Clitoral Hood Reduction (http://www.altermd.com/clitoropexy_clitoral_hood_reduction.htm)
Secondary Labia Reconstruction (http://www.altermd.com/secondary_labia_reconstruction.htm)
Clitoral Reduction (http://www.altermd.com/Female%20Genital%20Surgery/clitoral_reduction.htm)
Labia Majora Remodeling (http://www.altermd.com/Female%20Genital%20Surgery/labia_majora_remodeling.htm)
Pubic Liposuction & Lift (http://www.altermd.com/Female%20Genital%20Surgery/pubic_liposuction_and_lift.htm)
Reconstruction of the Vagina External Genitalia Deformities (http://www.altermd.com/Female%20Genital%20Surgery/reconstruction_vagina_external_genitalia.htm)
Vaginal Rejuvenation (http://www.altermd.com/Female%20Genital%20Surgery/vaginal_rejuvenation.htm)

[alphabassettgrrl]

I'm wondering what the aesthetic qualities might be that make one a beauty (aside from the cliché of size) for that matter, what makes for a pretty vulva?

I have to admit that, in general, genitalia are not the most attractive parts of human anatomy.

Not having had much opportunity to admire them lately, I'm a little rusty. Sure they're not pretty like eyes are pretty, but there's definitely something. :) Size has nothing to do with it, however. I dated a girl once who had had hers made a bit smaller surgically - just a little off the edge, so to speak. She was a stripper at that point, so maybe it matters more. She'd retired by the time I met her, and I never got to see it.

Another friend used to work in a gyn-plastic surgeon's office. His walls were lined with pics of 'em I'm told.

What makes one pretty? Belonging to a girl I adore, I think, and just about anything else can be handled.

[RStar]

Do bi-sexual men like tacos?

Yes, fish tacos. :D :eek:

Oh, and I think GD and CP must be out for the night. I'm sure we would have heard them chime in on the subject by now.

BTW, I'm back on line at home now. Got my modem fixed.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Wow, I'm used to the CP/GD mix-up, and the GD/GC. But NA/GD, that's a new one.

There's the contingent of gay men who like boobies because they WANT a pair themselves.

Penises...I'm not repulsed by them, but they hold no interest for me, obviously. Much like I'm continually clueless as to what men anyone might find attractive simply because I have no personal criteria for what an attractive man is.

[Gemini Cricket]

Not into female boobies. Male pecs... that's a different story. Love those. But if I see a woman looking fabulous because of her boobies or the display thereof, I would definitely tell her.
:)

[wendybeth]

See, this is one of the many things that I love about gay guys. They can appreciate the female form without wanting to go all horn-doggy on us, and this is why they tend to make great stylists. No competition, no agenda- just a pure appreciation of beauty in all it's forms. Now, I know that this is a generalization and there are lots of gay men that can't decorate, cook, accessorize or do hair to save their lives, but I've yet to meet one of them that isn't accomplished in at least one of those areas. It's no wonder gay men make such fabulous hairdressers- women can relax, be themselves, not be judged (unless they are having a really unfortunate hair day, or using crappy products) and trust that their stylist will make them look fabulous. :cheers:

[lashbear]

OK.

Dined out on a few tacos. These fast food places need to make sure they check certain practices...

anyhow, I like a lovely cleavage. there are some shapely sloping cleavages, framed by square cut necklines, that look particularly attractive in my eyes. Women who wear their 'boobs' in this manner have my admiration.

The below is for Illustrative Porpoises:

Cleavage I like:
http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/30500/Hillary-s-Cleavage--30971.jpg

O'bama's titties just don't rate next to that.

[innerSpaceman]

I'm continually clueless as to what men anyone might find attractive simply because I have no personal criteria for what an attractive man is.
See, I don't get this. (Not doubting your personal deal, but I don't get this sentiment in general.)

Straight women seem to know very well when another woman is attractive, even if they are not personally attracted to them. I think many straight men (GD and others exempted) are completely aware of what makes a man attractive, and full well know it when they see it.

:cool:




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i don't know why lashbear likes that criss-cross cleavage pattern. Oh, wait, that's the red "X" that means I can't see his admired cleavage picture. Bah.



Visible avatar mojo to Gemini Cricket. God, I love Le Jazz Hot, and Victora had to strap her boobies down to pull off her cross-dressing stunt, and they ended up looking like two empty wallets!

[Alex]

I understand "classicly" attractive men and can predict that. I have no problem predicting that Brad Pitt will be found attractive. The David archetype is easy, it is around the edges where I get lost.

I have no idea what it is about Bill Clinton that so many women find (or found) attractive. Or Viggo Mortensen. Or Johnny Depp.

[€uroMeinke]

See, I don't get this. (Not doubting your personal deal, but I don't get this sentiment in general.)

I don't get it either - I can certainly pick out a more attractive man and have a sense as to what I find attractive in a man versus general consensus. I wonder if it's just a cultural artifact of men lacking the vocabulary to even talk about it - it's just not a conversation straight men have.

Then maybe you have to go to the concept of men's "success" being their most "attractive" feature. Men can more easily talk about toys, status symbols, competitive events, etc.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Honestly, Alex, I'm there with you re: Bill Clinton. And Viggo Mortensen in any guise other than Aragorn. I kind of get Depp. But frankly, I don't see what anyone sees in Pitt. He looks kind of like a rat to me.

But then, I've long been influenced by the things that resemble figures I first found attractive as my early sexuality bloomed. I find many Brits attractive (thanks to the keen 70s Robin Hood. A fox indeed.) I had a long history of finding gay men attractive (due, in part, to my first crush and childhood imaginary friend, Richard Simmons) but after some teenaged years of heartbreak, that has generally passed. Chiefly, I find myself attracted to geeks. Passionate, funny, clever geeks. (And no, not of the chicken-killing kind.)

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Regarding the attractiveness of penises - In my very personal point of view, I think there definitely is such a thing. Only when they're hard, though. Naked shots of men with flaccid dicks staring intently into the camera are more odd to me than sexy.

After having seen the Murakami exhibit recently I'd have to point to his "Lonesome Cowboy" as an example of an attractive penis. In the bizarre context, it's actually rather naturalistic, large but not overly so, looking rather real even as it ejaculates so impossibly.

NSFW LINKS:
http://www.uark.edu/campus-resources/rlee/partsp07/Murakami-MyLonesomeCowboy-1997.jpg
http://www.textesgais.com/images/cowboy.jpg

[Alex]

I find many Brits attractive (thanks to the keen 70s Robin Hood. A fox indeed.) I had a long history of finding gay men attractive (due, in part, to my first crush and childhood imaginary friend, Richard Simmons)

I find this interesting. So if you don't know a person is British or gay, do they suddenly become more attractive once you learn?

I notice that of all of the "attractive" indicators you give none of them really have anything to do with appearance (or don't have reliable appearance elements).

This is something I talk about all the time with Lani. I have two very different sets of "attractive" criteria. If I'm just looking at a stranger from across the room then it is all about shallow physical characteristics. I like tall, Asian, red head, breasts a bit on the large side, mature looking, etc. That is most pleasing to just look at (obviously, not common to find in a single package).

And those criteria have almost nothing to do with being a person I'd want to date, marry, hang out with, etc.

[Alex]

NSFW LINKS:
http://www.uark.edu/campus-resources/rlee/partsp07/Murakami-MyLonesomeCowboy-1997.jpg
http://www.textesgais.com/images/cowboy.jpg

Nope, just a penis. And I'm sure it is just the lighting but it looks like it has a pretty severe rash going. Rash's are definitely unsexy.

[innerSpaceman]

In the bizarre context, it's actually rather naturalistic, large but not overly so, looking rather real even as it ejaculates so impossibly.

Oh, pshaw, i came like that two nites ago. :p

[JWBear]

I understand "classicly" attractive men and can predict that. I have no problem predicting that Brad Pitt will be found attractive. The David archetype is easy, it is around the edges where I get lost.

I have no idea what it is about Bill Clinton that so many women find (or found) attractive. Or Viggo Mortensen. Or Johnny Depp.

Mmmmm Viggo.... :D

Oh, pshaw, i came like that two nites ago. :p

TMI!!!

[LSPoorEeyorick]

I find this interesting. So if you don't know a person is British or gay, do they suddenly become more attractive once you learn?

I notice that of all of the "attractive" indicators you give none of them really have anything to do with appearance (or don't have reliable appearance elements).

This is something I talk about all the time with Lani. I have two very different sets of "attractive" criteria. If I'm just looking at a stranger from across the room then it is all about shallow physical characteristics. I like tall, Asian, red head, breasts a bit on the large side, mature looking, etc. That is most pleasing to just look at (obviously, not common to find in a single package).

And those criteria have almost nothing to do with being a person I'd want to date, marry, hang out with, etc.

I find it an interesting topic, too.

You're right... my indicators are mostly not visual. I'm strongly kinesthetic, I think, in my various attractions. Images of pretty people kind of leave me cold - the same with seeing someone across the room. It's been pretty rare that I've noticed someone walking down the street, for instance, and found them attractive. Frankly, I'd notice a (what I find) beautiful woman across the room before a man. But the way a man speaks, how intensely, how passionately, how intelligently... or the way he makes me feel (or how he would make me feel if I were, say, part of the movie action)...

I suppose if I had to specify the physical qualities I'm attracted to, I... I guess I'd say... handsome but not a classical way? Not particularly in shape? I've always preferred the not-at-all-muscle-bound thin or the not-at-all-thin. I have trouble qualifying it, because basically, until I interact with someone (or, at times, when they're interacting on screen, or are interviewed, eetc) I kind of feel nothing about them.

My attraction to gay men in my youth was probably about the warm way that the wonderful gay men in my life treated me, our shared interests (often artistic in nature) and the intellectual discussions we enjoyed. Perhaps, to an extent, their impeccable grooming.

My attraction to brits may be that they come across as noble, or sensitive, or intelligent. Or it may just be the accent.

My attraction to geeks is, in part, more physical. If that makes sense, which I'm not sure it does, but maybe if Brad Pitt lost some muscle tone, threw on a sweater vest and started wearing glasses, I'd find him more attractive. Glasses are hot.

I wonder if all of this stems back to personal observations about sex? I've dated some "pretty boys," but they were never much in the sack; too interested in themselves, imagining that their bodies were all they needed for me to have an orgasm. The geeks I've dated (ooh, and the one I married especially) on the other hand, have been much more interesting sexually. Much more willing to be playful, to be adventurous with foreplay, to make me laugh.

I can say with all honesty that the most I was ever turned on was as a result of doing artistic work with my husband. The epitome of what I find compelling: a meld of the intellectualism, creativity and passion that bled over into the bedroom like melting butter.

And that was probably more than you ever wanted to know about me. Ah well. There it is.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Oh, pshaw, i came like that two nites ago. :p

I'm sorry, you have GOT to demonstrate that for us sometime.

[blueerica]

Hehe... I have a personal story about Richard Simmons that makes me smile to this day, but it's better told than written, so perhaps I'll remember it another day.

I think all bodies can be beautiful, it's about finding the lines and the curvatures. I spent the better part of the time I was in California doing 'Life Art' with nudes of both genders and all shapes and sizes. Sometimes I think it desensitized me from a genitalia-specific awe, to an appreciation for things like shoulders, necks, even armpits... yes they can be beautiful, too. And being able to commit it to paper, or print, or film - that's where my fascination lies.

I have stacks of good stuff and crap, and it's dawned on me that some of it needed to be better protected before I left. Perhaps on my next visit home.

[blueerica]

I think actual attractions to persons, rather than body parts, lies more in the personality, at least for a majority of women. Looks certainly play a part, and throughout our lives we memorize our own versions of what a comedian looks like, what a family guy looks like, what a nerdy girl looks like, who's bookish... who's an a$$hole... and that becomes a part of the internal conversation that goes on when first appraising someone.

I can honestly say that J is the comedian, who has just enough a$$hole to keep me interested, but is the kind of guy who likes dogs and cats. Had I looked at him more closely the first time, I might have saw that, but I just saw the comedian. And that was good enough for me.

Now, back to boobies...? I like breasts...

[Ghoulish Delight]

I understand "classicly" attractive men and can predict that. Well, yeah, I suppose in that sense I'm not completely blind. I mean, I have no problem figuring out that Tom Brady and the Abercombie models are guys that most women/gay men will find attractive.

What I am blind to is identifying and distinguishing the details that account for personal taste. For instance, I know that CP's taste in men differs from the average woman, she is rarely attracted to the men that are presented by most media as attractive. I know that much. But even after 12 years together, I routinely fail to correctly guess who she DOES find attractive. You'd think by now, but nope.

I suppose it's because I am simply not familiar enough with the details of men's appearance. I don't really pay that much attention to them, so I'm not attuned to the subtle differences that people who actually find them attractive can see.

When I do see a man that I can identify as attractive, it's an entirely different identification than when I see a woman I find attractive. It's always, "Yep, chicks will dig him," not, "Yep, that's attractive." I think the best analogy is when I see a well executed example of a style I don't like. "Hey, that's a really well done country-kitsch kitchen. I would kill myself if I had to live in it, but I can see why someone who likes that sort of thing would dig it."

[Kevy Baby]

Straight women seem to know very well when another woman is attractive, even if they are not personally attracted to them. I think many straight men (GD and others exempted) are completely aware of what makes a man attractive, and full well know it when they see it.I believe that there is an overall societal stigma against ANYTHING reflecting possible male-to-male attraction; even something as simple as acknowledging that another man might be attractive. To do so would imply a homosexuality and that would be considered perverse or unacceptable behavior. I am definitely not agreeing with this, I just see it in a generalized sense.

Whereas that same society thinks it is fine for women to be able to make attractiveness judgments about other women without thinking that there is any homosexuality/perversion/etc. involved.

Overall, I believe that our society as a whole has historically more readily accepted lesbian relationships than homosexual relationships*. Not that it is a black and white issue, more of a "lesbian relationships are slightly less unacceptable than gay relationships." Think about when we were kids: if a girl played with boy toys, she was just a tomboy. But if a boy wanted to play with Barbie, there was something wrong with him.

Further, we see a much higher level of acceptance of "bi-curious" females than "bi-curious" males.

Many years ago, when I was a DJ for a swingers group** (no, not the kind of swinging that Lindyhop enjoys), the rough estimate was that 70-80% of the women were bisexual and this was normal (for this group) and fully accepted. However (in what I always considered a hypocrisy), ANY contact between men was verboten.

Personally, I am able to look at some men and think they are attractive. I have found (as one might expect of a couple together for 22 years) that many of the traits I find attractive in a man are shared with my wife: what she likes I tend to like and what she dislikes, I tend to dislike. Neither of us like the big massive body builders. She goes nuts for Brendan Frasier in George of the Jungle (yes, it is at best a mediocre movie, but it is ALL about how he looks) and I too think he looks hot.

But I think my attitude is because I have made a conscious effort to get in touch with my feminine side. No, this has nothing to do with my sexuality (although it has affected it), but more about being in touch with my softer, compassionate, etc traits. I hold the belief that we ALL have both masculine and feminine traits, but that society has forced us to only identify with our gender.





* One thing I have never had a solid handle on is the nomenclature of gay relationships. Two women together are generally labeled "lesbians", which is a definitive indicator that it is two women. But there is not (that I am aware of) a specific and commonly used (outside of slang terms) man-to-man label that is truly applicable to men only. Often, the labels "gay" and "homosexual" are used for man-to-man relationships, but both of these technically apply to either gender. Am I missing or forgetting something?

** No, I never partook in any of the activities (other than the occasional woman giving me a grope or display), but boy did I see a lot!

[BarTopDancer]

Viggo outside of Aragon is not attractive to me. As Aragon he has long hair and is scruffy. It's odd that I find him attractive as Aragorn because I prefer short hair and clean shaven. Patrick Dempsey over Brad Pitt any day. Josh Holloway is smokin hot too.

Physically I prefer tall, short dark hair, "average build". And anyone who knows me knows I'm a sucker for a southern accent.

I can appriciate a beautiful woman and a nice set of boobs even though they do nothing for me.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Getting back to the topic of the OP...

Boobies!

You know, I am of course a fan of boobies, but I'm not much of a boob man. I'm more of a total package kinda guy, and honestly anything over a C cup is approaching the "too big for my taste" range. But in general, as long as they aren't distractingly bad boobs, they're not particularly high on my list of qualifications for a visually attractive woman.

[JWBear]

...Many years ago, when I was a DJ for a swingers group** (no, not the kind of swinging that Lindyhop enjoys), the rough estimate was that 70-80% of the women were bisexual and this was normal (for this group) and fully accepted. However (in what I always considered a hypocrisy), ANY contact between men was verboten....

Traditionally, men have been considered superior to women (not what I believe, by any means - just an historical fact). I think that the perception was (and still is, for many) that when two men have sex, one of them “must” be penetrated; and if a man is penetrated, he is now lowered to the status of a woman. But if two women have sex, they remain at an equal status – or one may even gain near male status if they are “the butch one”. Less of a stigma for woman on woman sex.

[blueerica]

Interesting perspective on it, JW... I guess it's my (until now) unspoken impression of other people's 'stigma.'

[innerSpaceman]

I'm sorry, you have GOT to demonstrate that for us sometime.
I don't think it can be predicted. Ahem and oh my, I surprised even myself!


And that was probably more than you ever wanted to know about me. Ah well. There it is.
Well, one good TMI deserves another. And au contraire, I loved learning this about you!

[JWBear]

I just want to make it clear that I absolutly do not agree with the world view I outlined above. But many many people still do think that way, even if they do not realize it.

[innerSpaceman]

No, that's a very interesting take on why the stigma has arisen historically .. which seems to me a partial source of the continuing problem.


Kevy, i think an exclusively male term for homosexual is FAGGOT.

Or is that slang?? :p

[Pirate Bill]

In honor of this boobilicous thread:

http://www.pvponline.com/comics/pvp20070514.gif (http://www.pvponline.com/2007/05/14/may-14-2007/)

And since straight men are also chiming in...

I love boobies too (I'm sure that comes as no surprise). But I too don't really consider myself a "boob man." I'm more of a "face man." And by that I mean the face can make or break the whole package. But I like boobies of all shapes and sizes. From Milla Jovovich to Dolly Parton (as long as they don't get dangerously large though). Proportion does help aesthetics but I don't get really picky.

And yes, I was breast fed... just in case you're psychoanalyzing me. And I do like watching women breastfeed. But to me there's nothing sexual about it. I just think it's awesome and really sweet.

[SacTown Chronic]

This ass man thinks the Side Boob shot is the tops!

[Ghoulish Delight]

Agreed, love me some side boob.

And ass.

And now I'm picturing Bill perving around malls and Gymborees hoping to catch a glance of some breast feeding action.

[Pirate Bill]

And now I'm picturing Bill perving around malls and Gymborees hoping to catch a glance of some breast feeding action.

Unfortunately the women keep using those stupid blankets and covering it all up.

The look on a baby's face when they latch on... I can identify with that.

[Prudence]

I'm generally more visually-attracted to women and personality-attracted to men -- which is probably why I might play around with women, but seek relationships with men. As a general rule I feel more comfortable around men than women, and I don't know if that's part of it. I'm not particularly a tomboy in hobbies or activities, but I would characterize my personality as leaning toward the masculine in approach. Well, that's not quite it either. If English is (simplified) a Germanic structure with a whole bunch of Romance vocabulary, my brain is a masculine structure with a slew of feminine accessories. Or something like that.

I'm pretty picky about what I consider attractive in a woman - probably the best example I can think of is Renee Zellweger in her Bridget Jones personna. (Otherwise: no thanks. I can buy toothpicks at the store, several hundred to the box.) For men: it's all about the language. Last night's lecturer might have been short, balding, and wearing a sweater vest, but he oozed wit and thus, for me, sex appeal.

Although I confess that I share a weakness for Brendan Fraser - but only in certain roles.

[innerSpaceman]

It's well-accepted that bread-winning qualities are those that are most attractive to women. The "good looks" are simply the vestiges of what brought bread (or rather, mastadon meat) to the table in days of yore, and the other qualities of intelligence, ambition, wit and crafitness that might signal financial success to the modern gal are far less apparent to the instant appraisal of the eye.

Men want healthy babies, and that's never changed. Hence, it's all visual for men. (ahem, most men).

[Kevy Baby]

Kevy, i think an exclusively male term for homosexual is FAGGOT.

Or is that slang?? :pI'm pretty sure that is slang, but I might be wrong ;)

As a general rule I feel more comfortable around men than women...And I am more comfortable around women than men.

Although I did grow up with four older sisters and my father moved out while I was still relatively young, so that may something to do with it.

[innerSpaceman]

I'm more comfortable around women than men.



But, then again, I'm a faggot. ;)

[JWBear]

It's well-accepted that bread-winning qualities are those that are most attractive to women. The "good looks" are simply the vestiges of what brought bread (or rather, mastadon meat) to the table in days of yore, and the other qualities of intelligence, ambition, wit and crafitness that might signal financial success to the modern gal are far less apparent to the instant appraisal of the eye.

Men want healthy babies, and that's never changed. Hence, it's all visual for men. (ahem, most men).

Most of us don't necessarily want to breed, but I'd say that it is still all visual for gay men as well. We just drool over differnt things than our straight brothers. :D

[JWBear]

I'm more comfortable around women than men.



But, then again, I'm a faggot. ;)

I think I'm equally comfortable.

[innerSpaceman]

Most of us don't necessarily want to breed, but I'd say that it is still all visual for gay men as well. We just drool over differnt things than our straight brothers. :D

I find it interesting then, that because we are men, we use the visual as the prime attraction tool ... but because we are gay, we are not using that tool for its intended use.




(of course, plenty of folks would say we're not using that other tool for its intended use either.) ;)

[€uroMeinke]

I think there's a distinction to be made between what is beautiful (visually appealing) and what is attractive. There are plenty of beautiful women who I don't find attractive, but still can appreciate their beauty - be it line, shape, symmetry, or what not.

I've actually been having fun watching America's Top model and thinking about beauty. All the contestants look good, but it's amazing how much confidence, posture, and body language can enhance what is beautiful.

Often it seems more about being comfortable with one's body - think the tall girls who slumps forward ashamed of her hight versus the one showing of their long legs or torso to show it off.

In that respect I'm also confused by people that say they have a "type." In my mind there are so many varieties of beauty, why limit yourself? Small breasts are usually fun and perky, large breasts round and soft - there is so much to appreciate about the body I think it's great when someone can show off what they've got.

Back to America's supermodel. I'm amazed at the number of them who are uncomfortable posing nude or in a thong, how can you want to pursue that profession and be so embarrassed by your body? But that's another thread...

[Capt Jack]

Back to America's supermodel. I'm amazed at the number of them who are uncomfortable posing nude or in a thong, how can you want to pursue that profession and be so embarrassed by your body? But that's another thread...

agreed, but I think a good part of it is their being so bound by people and their "judgements" in their profession that this is consistantly foremost in their mind. when all you've heard is "you have a bit of cottage cheese here on your thigh, that little bitty scar there on your elbow is going to show and your eyebrows arent even...but we can airbrush all that out" then all you hear is the critical side, regardless of how many folks are falling all over themselves over you.

a bit of a catch 22 for sure. you look so good youre judged unfairly. what an odd profession that must be.

[keith - SuPeR K!]

Boobs are awesome!

[Kevy Baby]

Boobs are awesome!Well then, click this (http://home.mindspring.com/%7Ekevin_elder/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/valley.jpg) or this (http://home.mindspring.com/%7Ekevin_elder/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/silva01.jpg) (both avatars I used at one time on another board), or this (http://home.mindspring.com/%7Ekevin_elder/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/wiggle.gif) (an avatar I want to use, but know I can't). And, well duh: NSFW!

Or just sing the song by the Holy Modal Rounders titled Boobs A Lot (http://www.themadmusicarchive.com/song_details.aspx?SongID=333):

Do you like boobs a lot?
(Yes, I like boobs a lot.)
Boobs a lot, boobs a lot.
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)
Really like boobs a lot.
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)
Boobs a lot, boobs a lot.
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)

Down in the locker room,
Just we boys,
Beatin' down the locker room
With all that noise,

Singin' do you like boobs a lot?
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)
Boobs a lot, boobs a lot.
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)

Do you wear your jock a lot?
(Yes, I wear my jock a lot.)
Got to wear your jock a lot.
(Got to wear your jock a lot.)
Jock a lot, jock a lot.
(You gotta wear your jock a lot.)
Got to wear your jock a lot.
(You gotta wear your jock a lot.)

'Cause, down on the football,
Football field,
You never can tell
What a heel can wield,

So you gotta wear your jock a lot.
(You gotta wear your jock a lot.)
Jock a lot, jock a lot.
(You gotta wear your jock a lot.)

If I had a flag-a-long,
(If I had a flag-a-long.)
If I had a long flag-a-long,
If I had a long flag-a-long,
If you like boobs a lot, tag along

Bee beep, bop, de boob a lot.
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)
Boobs a lot, boobs a lot.
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)

They're big and round,
They're all around.
They're big and round,
They're all around.

(MUSICAL BREAK)

Do you like boobs a lot?
(Yes, I like boobs a lot.)
Boobs a lot, boobs a lot.
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)
Do you like boobs a lot.
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)
Boobs a lot, boobs a lot.
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)

Down in the locker room,
Just we boys,
Beatin' down the locker room
With all that noise,

Singin' do you like boobs a lot?
(Yes I like boobs a lot.)
Boobs a lot, boobs a lot.
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)

Do you wear your jock a lot?
(Yes, I wear my jock a lot.)
Got to wear your jock a lot.
(You gotta wear your jock a lot.)
Got to wear your jock a lot
(You gotta wear your jock a lot.)
Got to wear your jock a lot.
(You gotta wear your jock a lot.)

'Cause, down on the football,
Football field,
You never can tell
What a heel can wield,

So you gotta wear your jock a lot.
(You gotta wear your jock a lot.)
Jock a lot, jock a lot.
(You gotta wear your jock a lot.)

If I had a flag-a-long,
(If I had a flag-a-long.)
If I had a long flag-a-long,
If I had a long flag-a-long,
If you like boobs a lot, tag along

Bee beep, bop, de boob a lot.
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)
Boobs a lot, boobs a lot.
(You gotta like boobs a lot.)

They're big and round,
They're all around.
They're big and round,
They're all around.

[alphabassettgrrl]

Often it seems more about being comfortable with one's body - think the tall girls who slumps forward ashamed of her hight versus the one showing of their long legs or torso to show it off.


I'm very much more into a girl's attitude, rather than her actual physical attributes. I'd much rather have a supposedly less attractive girl, who loves herself and is confident, over a classically pretty girl with no personality.

[€uroMeinke]

I'm very much more into a girl's attitude, rather than her actual physical attributes. I'd much rather have a supposedly less attractive girl, who loves herself and is confident, over a classically pretty girl with no personality.

To be sure, but sometimes attitude itself manifests itself in physical beauty (especially confidence) - and vis-versa, our attitudes also can make us less physically attractive as well.

[alphabassettgrrl]

Oh, absolutely! That's what I was trying to say. :)