Move to ban hallucinogenic herb

[Morrigoon]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23573004

I guess this plant has some hallucinogenic properties or something, so states are moving to ban it.

[Alex]

"You don't make everybody happy when you outlaw drugs. You save one child and it's worth it."

I hate that mentality of lawmaking.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Freaking stupid to outlaw it.

But on a purely subjective note, I won't miss it. Tried it, don't need to try it again.

[Kevy Baby]

The war on drugs should be over: drugs won.

[Moonliner]

Freaking stupid to outlaw it.


Are you saying that it's stupid to outlaw this particular hallucinogen or all hallucinogens in general?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Are you saying that it's stupid to outlaw this particular hallucinogen or all hallucinogens in general?
In general.

[BarTopDancer]

Then they'd have to kill the hallucinogenic toads! :(

Oh wait. I can't read. It was one of those "I want to post now. read later" posts ;)

[Not Afraid]

Well, then alcohol should be outlawed too.

So frickin stupid!

[Disneyphile]

Why don't they also ban alcohol while they're at it. :rolleyes: It causes long-term health effects, social/family problems, and has a lot of the same effects as some illegal drugs. And, it's also natural, just like MJ and this plant.

Edit: Jinx, NA. You owe me a beer. ;)

[Ghoulish Delight]

So, if I'm reading the title of this thread correctly, if we all hold veeeery very still, they won't ban it.

[Not Afraid]

Why don't they also ban alcohol while they're at it. :rolleyes: It causes long-term health effects, social/family problems, and has a lot of the same effects as some illegal drugs. And, it's also natural, just like MJ and this plant.

Edit: Jinx, NA. You owe me a beer. ;)
Better than you owing me a beer. I can't drink the damn thing!

[Capt Jack]

sounds like the world of "Demolition Man"

to paraphrase:
TV, salt, contact sports, fatty foods, loud music etc...basically, anything not good for you is deemed bad for you and is therefore illegal.

I think I'll go live in the sewer with Dennis Leary

[lashbear]

So, if I'm reading the title of this thread correctly, if we all hold veeeery very still, they won't ban it.
Sorry, I moved. :p

[Kevy Baby]

I think it is just the water lobby trying to hold back the competition.

[Disneyphile]

Better than you owing me a beer. I can't drink the damn thing!That's why I said you owe me one. I'll trade you for a fuzzy water, but we better hurry before they ban that too.

[cirquelover]

I think that's the stuff they banned here in Oregon just a little while back. I know friends that loved the stuff and stocked up before it was outlawed. I never tried it, so I don't know personally what the effects are but I heard it only lasts a minute or two.

[Strangler Lewis]

That's why I said you owe me one. I'll trade you for a fuzzy water, but we better hurry before they ban that too.

The bubbles contribute to global warming.

[innerSpaceman]

According to the article, it lasts about an hour, and it's hallucinogenic in nature. i.e., to me, the perfect drug.


How.Do.I.Get.Some????

[scaeagles]

I hate the whole "if one life is saved" crap. Seriously.

There are something like 40,000 traffic deaths in the US annually (slightly less than that). If we were to pass laws forcing governors to be put on cars allowing a max speed of 15 mph, that would probably be reduced to 4. Is 39996 lives worth that price?

[Disneyphile]

Well, if they ban this form of sage, I can only imagine how many other herbs will follow suit.

[Ghoulish Delight]

According to the article, it lasts about an hour, and it's hallucinogenic in nature. i.e., to me, the perfect drug.


How.Do.I.Get.Some????
I'd have to research to see if there is only a specific strain that's hallucinagenic, but I did see salvia plants at local nurseries last weekend.

When I tried it, it lasted less than a minute. Again, don't know if different forms have varying lengths of effect.

[Morrigoon]

Wow,19 posts... I half expected we'd have devolved into a pun war by now ;)

I don't know why I have a problem with this, but I do. Strange considering I'm pretty anti-marijuana use. But then again, I'm anti-cigarette, so maybe I'm just against it when I think people will use it around me. Maybe I'm just coming into my own as a libertarian, haha.

I do think banning a plant is pretty stupid. Funny how the only difference between being an "endangered species" and a "threat to the lives of our children" is how useful the plant might be.

[JWBear]

Wow,19 posts... I half expected we'd have devolved into a pun war by now ;)

I don't know why I have a problem with this, but I do. Strange considering I'm pretty anti-marijuana use. But then again, I'm anti-cigarette, so maybe I'm just against it when I think people will use it around me. Maybe I'm just coming into my own as a libertarian, haha.

I do think banning a plant is pretty stupid. Funny how the only difference between being an "endangered species" and a "threat to the lives of our children" is how useful the plant might be.

I'm like you... Have no problems with marijuana usage per se; but I can't stand smoking in any form.

[Gemini Cricket]

You know what should be outlawed? Those Cabury Creme Eggs. Pure sugar laced poison on the inside. Too sweet if you asked me.


Hallucinogenic Herb sounds like some sort of cartoon character.

[Kevy Baby]

Hallucinogenic Herb sounds like some sort of cartoon character.He hangs out with Miami Herald (http://www.miamiherald.com/) (an actual newspaper, but sounds like a great character name).

[Disneyphile]

I'm waiting for them to ban nutmeg after someone figures out how to get high on it.

Although, I recall that nutmeg is lethal if injected directly into the bloodstream.

If only one life is saved... :rolleyes:

[Morrigoon]

So is water, shall we ban that too?

[Chernabog]

So is water, shall we ban that too?

You're at Urinetown!
Your ticket should say Urinetown!
No refunds, this is Urinetown!
We'll keep that dough!

;)

[blueerica]

According to the article, it lasts about an hour, and it's hallucinogenic in nature. i.e., to me, the perfect drug.


How.Do.I.Get.Some????

One of the things I've read about salvia in the past is that it can also make the user depressed and anti social, which has kept me from trying it. YMMV.

[blueerica]

Oh, and if you can believe it - there are a few head shops around here that sell "herbal supplements," including salvia. It's currently pretty easy to get out here in Utah.

[Kevy Baby]

So is water, shall we ban that too?There is web site dedicated to such a cause: http://www.dhmo.org/

Dihydrogen Monoxide Facts

Dihydrogen monoxide:

is also known as hydric acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
contributes to the Greenhouse Effect.
may cause severe burns.
contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.

[Not Afraid]

One of the things I've read about saliva in the past is that it can also make the user depressed and anti social, which has kept me from trying it. YMMV.

I thought we had moved on from water to saliva.:rolleyes:

[Motorboat Cruiser]

I actually bought some of this stuff a few years ago (purely for research purposes.) After reading up on it on the internet, however, I opted not to indulge. What I read led me to believe that it was often unpredictable, and sometimes not in a pleasurable way. One site even suggested that you have someone monitor you during usage. I tend to stay away from drugs that require me to have a personal guardian. To the trash it went.

[innerSpaceman]

Oh please, I've heard that Personal Monitor stuff for so many drugs that didn't require any such thing.

But if it's likely to lead to post-use depression, it's not a hallucenogin ... rather something that acts on seretonin and its ilk, lile ecstacy. Not interested in the bliss drugs ... only in the psychenautic psychoactive enhancers.



I'm willing to try anything once. Is this available locally anywhere?


(And, if so, will you please monitor my trip, MBC?) ;)

[Ghoulish Delight]

But if it's likely to lead to post-use depression, it's not a hallucenogin ... rather something that acts on seretonin and its ilk, lile ecstacy. Not interested in the bliss drugs ... only in the psychenautic psychoactive enhancers.
Oh, it ain't nothin' like X.


I'm willing to try anything once. Is this available locally anywhere?


Like I said, I've seen plants available at local nurseries. Just not sure if there's any difference in varieties that would make those not suitable for the narcotic use.

[Chernabog]

I thought we had moved on from water to saliva.:rolleyes:

It's a privilege to pee...
Water's worth its weight in gold these days

No more bathrooms like in olden days!
You come here and pay a fee
For the privilege to pee!

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Oh please, I've heard that Personal Monitor stuff for so many drugs that didn't require any such thing.

Indeed, and considering that I've been around the block more than a few times, I wasn't too worried about that fact. Although, the person that wrote the article did seem pretty knowledgeable and experienced in regard to this particular drug.


I'm willing to try anything once. Is this available locally anywhere?


(And, if so, will you please monitor my trip, MBC?) ;)

Be careful what you wish for. :evil:

[I Heart Disneyland]

I'm of the mindset that marijuana should be legallized, but, that's not this story. And, no, I don't smoke it.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Salvia Divinorum is the psychoactive species.

I learned this after pulling seeing these (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/gdiddy/img039.jpg) (crappy cell phone photo) planted along Fairview blvd. next to a park and pulling over to grab a clipping (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/gdiddy/DSC_1813.jpg) to identify it. Turns out it's salvia! But it appears to be Salvia leucantha, not divinorum, so no worries if and when I plant this in the back. The flowers are fuzzy!

ETA: I don't know if leucantha has been tested for psychoactive effects or not. I did find a study that showed that a 3rd species (splendens, generally with scarlet red flowers) produced "effects" consistent with a placebo. So it seems that divinorum is THE species of interest. I still don't know what availability is.

[Not Afraid]

Salvia Divinorum is different than the garden variety (literaly) flowering salvia (member of the Sage family) which commonly has either red or purple flowers and is quite popular in those ubiquitous mini landscapes at gas stations or shopping centers. Its also quite different from the Sage used in herb gardening and cooking. There are quite a few different wild varieties of sage as well, but I don't think Salvia Divinorum is native to the US. I've never seen Salvia Divinorum anywhere either growing wild or at a nursery - although it's not a plant I would recognize off the bat (like some other wildflowers I become obsessed about.)

[Kevy Baby]

Flowering Saliva?