Old Idahoan coot thinks schools need separate gay bathrooms

[SzczerbiakManiac]

http://www.idahopress.com/?id=8264

Just a quick highlight,Bayes said that when he was 18 it would have been "an absolute catastrophe" for him to have showered with girls.A catastrophe? Really?!? So you have that little self control that just seeing a girl in the shower would immediately compel you to rape her on the spot? Wow, that's pretty pathetic.

[Alex]

It is really an accident that the story was written by journalist Mike Butts?

[Alex]

As a serious response, while I don't really agree with his view, I am having trouble creating a argument for why restrooms should be gender separated that doesn't break up on the shoals of homosexuality.

The obvious answer is that restrooms should not be gender separated either.

And maybe it would have restrained Senator Craig if he wasn't sure of the gender on the other side of the wall.

[innerSpaceman]

So who is this Baye guy that his opinions get press? Is there really so little going on in Idaho?


Wait. Don't answer that.







On the other hand, I'd find Gay Restrooms to be quite convenient, if you know what I mean. ;) ;)

[Alex]

I think this explains why he got press:

...a Wilder Republican running for the Idaho House said Friday.

I'm sure the article was viewed as a public service announcement along the lines of:

Please, do not vote for this guy simply because he'll be alphabetically first on the ballot.

[Moonliner]

According to the article this includes bathrooms and school showers.

So if I went to one of these schools and said I was gay then they would let me shower with girls (at least the lesbian ones anyway)?

[Kevy Baby]

According to the article this includes bathrooms and school showers.

So if I went to one of these schools and said I was gay then they would let me shower with girls (at least the lesbian ones anyway)?I think there would need to be 8 bathrooms:

Hetero males
Hetero females
Gay males
Gay females
Bisexual men and bisexual women (these two groups could actually share)
Pre-op Transgendered males (after surgery, they would then be moved to #2, #4, or #5 above, depending on their orientation)
Pre-op Transgendered females (after surgery, they would then be moved to #1, #3, or #5 above, depending on their orientation)
Libertarians

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Making students shower together is a sin in itself, regardless of how you separate them. Thank God I never had to shower at school.

My plan would be to rid the world of urinals and make all bathrooms coed. Seriously. Yes, men who like the convenience of exposing themselves in front of each other hate me. I think urinals are ridiculous...but it's not like I have a man's perspective on them.

[Alex]

If the goal is to prevent people from peeing next to people they might find sexually attractive then 3, 4, and 5 don't solve anything.

If this really was a concern then the real serious solution would be to re-engineer the restrooms so that they consist of single seat, entirely contained closets with a common washroom area. Essentially, take the row of port-a-potties at a street fair with a single sink out front and build it permanently indoors.

The gender separated restrooms thing is so oddly ingrained though. I'm always kind of confused by many gas station restrooms that consist of two identical single toilet rooms (no urinal in either) and yet one is for women only and one is for men only.

[Moonliner]

Urinals use a LOT less water than a toilet. You would ravage the natural resources of the planet by converting them all to toilets.

Ohh, and you'd sit on a lot of wet seats in a co-ed bathroom. (men are pigs)

[Alex]

I think urinals are ridiculous...but it's not like I have a man's perspective on them.

Did you know that back in the 1920s there were some serious attempts to design and mass produce females urinals?

I don't really care if urinals are available or not, but they are more resource efficient than toilets. Both in terms of materials, space, and water usage. And taking it to the next step I'm starting to see increasing use of flushless urinals.

Even with modern low flow toilets it doesn't make sense to use 1.6 gallons of water to dispose of a couple cups of pee.

[Strangler Lewis]

The obvious answer is that restrooms should not be gender separated either.


Wrong. Compare the two lines.


Yes, men who like the convenience of exposing themselves in front of each other hate me.

At least we're quiet about it. Who wants to p*** while a bunch of broads clack over the neighboring stall about their boyfriends?

[Moonliner]

If the goal is to prevent people from peeing next to people they might find sexually attractive then 3, 4, and 5 don't solve anything.

If this really was a concern then the real serious solution would be to re-engineer the restrooms so that they consist of single seat, entirely contained closets with a common washroom area. Essentially, take the row of port-a-potties at a street fair with a single sink out front and build it permanently indoors.

The gender separated restrooms thing is so oddly ingrained though. I'm always kind of confused by many gas station restrooms that consist of two identical single toilet rooms (no urinal in either) and yet one is for women only and one is for men only.

This has the makings of a great logic puzzle.

So a gay male can only pee next to a woman. While a Hetro male can only pee next to another male. A Lesbian can only pee next to a male who is not a member of the hetro group and if you add in bisexuals then things get really out of hand.

[Strangler Lewis]

The only true solution is universal dialysis.

[Moonliner]

At least we're quiet about it. Who wants to p*** while a bunch of broads clack over the neighboring stall about their boyfriends?

Good lord! They talk while in the bathroom? That's, that's, that's just wrong.


Although it could, in part, help explain the time differential between men and women.

[Alex]

Yeah, talking is the main reason I would ultimately advocate entirely enclosed single seat rooms rather than simply asexual restrooms.

[Strangler Lewis]

While women clacking pitifully about their boyfriends have tainted almost every downtown solitary lunch I ever had, I feel I must give equal time to another pet peeve.

Drumroll.

Loud older naked men in the gym locker room and, worse, the sauna. The older they are, the louder they are and the longer they stay naked. I sympathize to an extent. It's probably something primal, and I'm probably doomed to go down that road. But, for now, shut the f*ck up, get dressed and go home.

[Ghoulish Delight]

SL, I suggested never doing business in Finland.

[Kevy Baby]

Ohh, and you'd sit on a lot of wet seats in a co-ed bathroom. (men are pigs)From what I hear, men do not have an exclusive on this. I guess in an effort to not come in contact with said toilet, women will kind of squat over the toilet. I understand that indoor plumbing on some comes equipped with a wide angle sprayer permanently attached (I've heard this from more than one source).

Even with modern low flow toilets it doesn't make sense to use 1.6 gallons of water to dispose of a couple cups of pee.In our household, we follow this axiom:

If it's yellow leave it mellow
If it's brown flush it down

[Gemini Cricket]

I think there should be gay men only bathrooms. I'll bring the curtains and that crocheted yarn cover for spare toilet paper rolls...

[Moonliner]

From what I hear, men do not have an exclusive on this. I guess in an effort to not come in contact with said toilet, women will kind of squat over the toilet. I understand that indoor plumbing on some comes equipped with a wide angle sprayer permanently attached (I've heard this from more than one source).

In our household, we follow this axiom:

When I visted Dublin last year, the toilet in my hotel room had two separate handles. One for "light" use and the other for "heavy". It's an idea that needs to spread to the States (althought I suspect if I took the time to google it I'd find it's already here)

[Alex]

It is, my stepfather installed one of these in our house when I was a kid (something like 20 years ago).

But I would be interested to know what the "light" version used in terms of water flow. I suspect it was still way too much.

[Moonliner]

It is, my stepfather installed one of these in our house when I was a kid (something like 20 years ago).

But I would be interested to know what the "light" version used in terms of water flow. I suspect it was still way too much.

I was going to guess and say the "light" option used about half of what the "heavy" flush used, but I googled (http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/03/dual_flush_toil_1.php) and found it for sure.

Light = 0.8 Gpf
Heavy = 1.6 Gpf.

Not as good as a urinal, but still a dramatic savings since individuals of both sexes can benefit from it.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

So a gay male can only pee next to a woman. While a Hetro male can only pee next to another male. A Lesbian can only pee next to a male who is not a member of the hetro group and if you add in bisexuals then things get really out of hand.

No, it's even more complicated than that. A gay male cannot pee next to a woman either - because she might be attracted to him. I think the answer to the logic puzzle would be: heterosexual male, heterosexual female, and single-stall rooms for everyone else. (Not that I think that should be THE answer. I think the answer is that it's fine as-is.)

And no, SL, not all women gab in the bathroom. I hate that.

[JWBear]

Gabbing in the restroom isn't necessarily gender based, I think it's more cultural. The Vietnamese men in my office make bathroom breaks into social occasions. They all go at the same time and have long, involved conversations while there.

Usually, If I happen to go in at one of these times, I'll find all 6 "positions" occupied, and another 6 or 8 gents standing around talking (to each other, and to the ones using the facilities).

[Ghoulish Delight]

The Vietnamese men in my office make bathroom breaks into social occasions. They all go at the same time and have long, involved conversations while there.
There's a pair at my office that are entirely inseparable. Coffee break, smoke break, lunch break, bathroom break.

The real solution is to have a single bathroom with an attendant that notes the sexuality of each person entering and distributes them correctly such that there is no danger of sexual attraction between any two people next to each other.

[Moonliner]

There's a pair at my office that are entirely inseparable. Coffee break, smoke break, lunch break, bathroom break.

The real solution is to have a single bathroom with an attendant that notes the sexuality of each person entering and distributes them correctly such that there is no danger of sexual attraction between any two people next to each other.

If your system depends on the honesty of the individuals involved to correctly state their sexual preference. You might have a problem.

I think we would need to register every ones sexual preference with the state and issue them proper identification before they are allowed to pee.

[Ghoulish Delight]

If your system depends on the honesty of the individuals involved to correctly state their sexual preference. You might have a problem.

I think we would need to register every ones sexual preference with the state and issue them proper identification before they are allowed to pee.
Obviously all applicants to the attendant position would have their gaydar rigorously evaluated and calibrated.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

gawd I love you guys :)

[Not Afraid]

I think restrooms should be divided up by bathroom act. #1 ro the right, #2 to the left.

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

I think there should be an extra restroom for those who's $hit don't stink...

[BarTopDancer]

I think there should be a unisex bathroom with a bunch of stalls and a bunch of urinals. The urinals can be hidden from view by a wall, or put around the corner or something to "protect" those who don't want to see it. Or in a giant stall with no locking door.

[Alex]

Would this be the appropriate time to advocate for the return of the trough urinal to venues other than older sports venues?

Really, there is nothing that creates a faster bond than watching your pee mingle with your neighbor as it heads for the drain.

[Capt Jack]

Im thinking one giant clumping litter box for all and be done with it.

[GusGus]

The real solution is to have a single bathroom with an attendant that notes the sexuality of each person entering and distributes them correctly such that there is no danger of sexual attraction between any two people next to each other.

I don't care how sexually attractive the person is, the sound of grunting and plopping in the stall next to me would definitely cool any such inclinations.

[innerSpaceman]

TeeHee, the classic Romans used to grunt and plop right next to each other with nary a separation between them (and nary any real plumbing to wisk things away either).


[shudder]

[Not Afraid]

Toot, Whistle, Plunk, Boom?

[lashbear]

Toot, Whistle, Plunk, Boom?
:snap::snap::snap::snap::snap::snap::snap::snap::s nap::snap::snap::snap:

Spit Milk On Screen.

[lashbear]

S nap ? WTF ? that doesn't show in the editor ?!?!

[€uroMeinke]

All this could be settled by the acceptance of depends and the elimination of all public rest rooms

[Strangler Lewis]

All this could be settled by the acceptance of depends and the elimination of all public rest rooms

Wouldn't work. You'd still have to go somewhere to get changed periodically. And if everyone went the colostomy and catheter route, they'd still have to go somewhere to empty out.

[Ghoulish Delight]

S nap ? WTF ? that doesn't show in the editor ?!?!
Put spaces between the snaps. There's a limit to how many consecutive characters ca be processed before a space, so a space gets inserted automatically.

I learned about that while trying to make army of these guys:

:cool::snap:

[Tref]

I think restrooms should be divided up by bathroom act. #1 ro the right, #2 to the left.

Actually, once after eating at a Taco Bell I did a #3, so we need to start considering all available numbers.

On the other hand, I wish there was a group that hated me enough to give me my own bathroom. While its true I have many enemies, they are just not well organised. But if they were, I'd want my bathrooms located mostly in the Hollywood area, though I hope for a few in Glendale and Pasadena, as well. I might even ask for one in Switzerland, just because.

[Crazybirdman]

My plan would be to rid the world of urinals and make all bathrooms coed. Seriously. Yes, men who like the convenience of exposing themselves in front of each other hate me. I think urinals are ridiculous...but it's not like I have a man's perspective on them.

A lot of the restrooms we saw in Italy were like that. Everything seemed to work out okay. I wasn't molested or anything. Although it meant my wife never had to stop talking to me when we went to the restrooms.

[BarTopDancer]

Has anyone [besides me] gone into the restroom of the opposite gender?

[Strangler Lewis]

Has anyone [besides me] gone into the restroom of the opposite gender?

Are you wearing a wire?

[Capt Jack]

yup.

[tracilicious]

All this could be settled by the acceptance of depends and the elimination of all public rest rooms

David Sedaris talks about something similar on Letterman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBdymtyXt8Y).

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Has anyone [besides me] gone into the restroom of the opposite gender?Yes

It was at a Denny's. I went in, sort of wondered why there wasn't a urinal, really wondered why there was a tiny trash can next to the commode, realized my mistake as I was exiting right as an actual woman was entering.

beet red was me :eek:

[cirquelover]

Has anyone [besides me] gone into the restroom of the opposite gender?

Sadly yes. I was at a place with the cute names on the door instead of boy/girl and walked into the wrong one. Boy was I embarassed.

[innerSpaceman]

Because of the obnoxious phenomena of long restrooms lines for women, it's the law in the City of Santa Monica that gals may use the boys' room when there's a line for the ladies' loo.

[scaeagles]

Has anyone [besides me] gone into the restroom of the opposite gender?


I was skiing. I came off the slopes and had to go REAL bad. So I go into a stall and have a seat. A minute or so later I hear a couple women walk in talking. I quickly think they've made a mistake, but then I recall that I didn't remember seeing any urinals when I walked in. So, not wanting to feel stupid, I figure I'll just sit there until they're gone.

There was a rush on the bathroom after that. I sat there for 45 minutes before I figured it would never empty out.

Well, my friends had been looking for me and had pretty much deduced what had happened. When I finally just got up and left (there were still two women in the there who looked at me like I was insane when I came out of the stall), they were waiting outside the bathroom laughing hysterically.

[Kevy Baby]

Has anyone [besides me] gone into the restroom of the opposite gender?Not since the restraining order.

_________________

A good time to post this picture again from our cruise last year. This is the entrance to the ladies room at a restaurant in Puerta Vallarta. It just might cause ladies to want to use the men's room.

http://home.mindspring.com/%7Ekevin_elder/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bathroomavatar.jpg

[3894]

1. Best behavior in the bathroom
2. The Golden Corral in Pocatello has a lovely buffet - very clean.

[cirquelover]

Do you have any great hints for Boise? It sounds like we will be there in a week, thankfully for only two days!

[Alex]

Yes, it is pronounced boy-see. Not boy-zee.

Otherwise, I've only driven through the town and can't help.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

It just might cause ladies to want to use the men's room.

http://home.mindspring.com/%7Ekevin_elder/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bathroomavatar.jpg

See, that only makes me want to watch Almodovar's Hable Con Ella again.