Yosemite Cabin Information - cross post

[Not Afraid]

I figured I'd make this easy to find:

Where Scenic Wonders is located (map) (http://www.scenicwonders.com/whereweare.html)
General map of Yosemite area

Commmunity Map (Link) (http://www.scenicwonders.com/map/index.html)
Once you get to the community, this is the map to use. We are in Scenic Wonders which is on the top left side of the community map. We are going to have to wing it with parking and try and get as many cars into the parking area as we can, leaving the larger ones near the exit for transporting groups.

IMPORTANT INFO:
Check in is at 4:00 pm. I will be there right at 4 to grab the keys. If you get there early and want to hook up, we'll be in Oakhurst until about 2:30. My cell works in about 1/2 of my brother's house. PM me if you would like his house phone number.
Check out time is 11 am.
"Please leave property in the same conition it was when you arrived. Property will be inspected at the time of check out"
"Quiet hours of the community are from 10 pm - 8 am"
For road and weather conditions call 209.372.0200
Snow chains are required November - April
There are no stores in the immediate area.If you want to do something cool, go to 7422 Yosemite Park Way Yosemite, CA 95389 in Google Earth and take a look at the cabin.

Important Phone Numbers:
Cabin Phone Nuber: 209.372.9200

Cell phones may NOT work at the cabin but may work in Yosemite Valley. To make outgoing calls on the house phone, you MUST use a Calling Card.

Cabin description:
This custom, tri-level Original Lincoln Log duplex home, was built with the finest quality red cedar logs from California's Northern High Sierras. This home features a spacious living room with a twenty four foot open beam cathedral ceiling, with an authentic river rock fireplace and a Redwood burl mantle shelf that is over 2,000 years' old. European furniture, Indian Art, and Ansel Adams photography are in complete harmony with the red cedar log walls, that make for a real mountain home experience.

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The living room is open to the kitchen/dining area and is surrounded by a huge 20' by 36' foot wraparound deck, with a six adult capacity Jacuzzi. The living room and deck also overlook a breathtaking forest/mountain view, with a waterfall in the distance during the spring season. Scenic Wonders is a 6-bedroom duplex, with two 3 bedroom, two bath units. The top level of this two-story unit has 2 bedrooms, with one queen bed in each, one full bath, and a loft with a queen size futon for the children. The main level has the master bedroom with a king size bed, one full bath with Jacuzzi, den with color TV/VCR for the children, and the living room equipped with Dish Network satellite TV/VCR, Stereo/CD player, kitchen and dining area. This unit sleeps 8 comfortably. Scenic Wonders and Little Scenic can be rented together. This is a home with plenty of room for those very special family gatherings!




Other Amenities:
Washer
Dryer
Linens Provided
Full Kitchen
Cooking Utensils Provided
Refrigerator
Dishwasher (his name is Kevin and he wears a maid outfit)
Microwave

[wendybeth]

I am soooo ready for this.......



So, is this where we post what to bring? I'm just wondering about extras, given the size group we have. (Large serving bowls, extra griddles for bacon, etc). Still, it looks like it's pretty well stocked.

[Gemini Cricket]

Cabins... wimps!!

This whole time I thought y'all were going camping again with tents and bonfires and trees with the imminent danger of being eaten alive by bears and mountain lions looming over your heads.
That's what I get for not reading the Yosemite thread. Next thing you'll be telling me is that Lashbear is going to be in town.
Cabins...


:D

[Disneyphile]

Snow chains are required November - April

****. Looks like we'll have to buy chains now, since they're not optional like we originally thought. :( This trip is getting more expensive by the day.

Also, where is the chain fitting/parking area before we enter the cabin community?

[~MS~]

T - check around before actually purchasing your chains, some (not all but more than just a few) of the auto parts places will refund your money if you return the chains unopened/unused within a certain time frame, 2 weeks seemed to be the norm the last time I needed to check into that.

[innerSpaceman]

Where can we get up-to-the-minute info. Chains required November thru April is a predictive statement made in October that may not match reality in April.

In the other thread, it was mentioned that the snow level is now at 6,000 feet. I'm not sure any of the roads we'll travel are that high.

How do we find out for sure 'bout chains? Chains of Love. I mean, er, car chains.

[Snowflake]

I'm renting the wheels, as far as I know, they do not provide chains. Crap, I guess I gotta find some when I'm in Fairfield heading to JB factory.

[Kevy Baby]

http://www.dolphpun.com/cafepress/ChainsRequired.jpg

[katiesue]

I'm renting the wheels, as far as I know, they do not provide chains. Crap, I guess I gotta find some when I'm in Fairfield heading to JB factory.

Rental car companies will NOT provide chains (I learned this standing in the endless line to pick up my car in Reno a few months ago when it was actually snowing outside).

The restriction is must carry chains, not necessarily use them. And if you have the choice get cables they're lighter and easier to put on should you need to, which you probably won't.

And check your owners manual. My new car has restricitons that you must only use cables and there are two tire sizes where you can't use cables or chains at all.

Disneyphile - do you know anyone with a pair of chains you can borrow?

[Not Afraid]

You are required to carry chains. You're not required to have them installed. This is a Park requirement not a cabin requirement. However, if it snows - and there are snow flurries predicted for this Friday - you may have to install your chains. If you have 4-wheel drive, you won't need them. (T-I'm not sure your call needs them being an all-wheel drive.)

I'm not sure what they do at the Park entrance - if they quiz you about chains or not, but if it does snow, you probably WILL need them. I don't have any either at this point and was hoping not to have to get them.

[wendybeth]

We have an SUV with 4-wheel drive- do we need to have chains? We just went through the snowiest winter on record up here and didn't need them. I hope not- we may not be able to find any after the winter we just had.:(

[Not Afraid]

I REALLY doubt that we are going to need them. It takes a pretty heavy snow to require chains. However, if it does snow and we don't have chains, we may end up house bound and not able to get to the Valley - except in WBs car.

I'll call the cabin and ask some questions about current conditions.

Also, I know this was discussed earlier, but there is a National Park Entrance fee of $20 as well.


EDIT: So if you call the number I listed above for Road Conditions you'll get complete information about what the road conditions are and what the Federal Law requirements are. (And, ALL vehicles are required to carry chains - even 4 wheel drive.)

Also: Winter Weather Advisory until Wednesday - 5 inches at 5,000 foot.

[Snowflake]

Okay, well I won't know what to get until I get the car. I hope cables will do and that I can find them!

[Not Afraid]

Road Conditions Website (http://www.dot.ca.gov/cgi-bin/roads.cgi)

[Disneyphile]

Thanks NA! :)

Oh, and just found this via your CalTrans link:

FOR YOSEMITE NAT'L PARK ROAD INFORMATION CALL 209-372-0200

So, hopefully, we now have all the info we need. Wheee!

[Not Afraid]

I normally wouldn't worry about chains in April, but snow is expected this week and the forecast isn't available for next week yet. It's one of those things that, if you don't have them and you get to a mandatory chain spot you're screwed.

I have to find where I posted it, but I believe the cabin is at a pretty high elevation. I found it. 5700 feet is the cabin elevation.

[Kevy Baby]

You are required to carry chains.What about whips?

[DreadPirateRoberts]

We have an SUV with 4-wheel drive- do we need to have chains? We just went through the snowiest winter on record up here and didn't need them. I hope not- we may not be able to find any after the winter we just had.:(

4wd with snow tires should be fine. I doubt you'll see R-3 (http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist3/departments/mtce/controlmp.htm) conditions.

Chain Requirement Levels and Traffic Control Definitions
R-1: Chains or snow tread tires required. Snow tires must have a tread depth of 6/32" with a "M & S" imprint on the tire's sidewall.
R-2: Chains required on all vehicles except four-wheel drives or all-wheel drives with snow tread tires on all four wheels.
R-3: Chains required - ALL VEHICLES- no exceptions
R-1 and R-2 are the most common chain controls. The highway will often be closed before an R-3 control is imposed.

[MouseWife]

I heard the forecast and thought of you guys! Storms a brewin' and you may be so lucky to have snow! Snow and a hot tub? :0)

The chains. They ask at the entrance, we always just signal that they are in back. But, at those times, it hasn't been snowing.

There are several 'gates' that they close if the road conditions become too hazardous, but, we've been there when it was snowing pretty hard and have always had access.

We have 4WD and all weather tires...still have to have chains. Not necessarily carry them.

I know it seems odd to have them required so late in the year but up there storms can happen at any time.

Like ~MS~ said, hold onto your receipts and you should be able to return them. Ask first, of course. AND rental cars, that was silly that they didn't have them there where it was snowing! We've rented vehicles for the specific purpose to head up into the snow. Just didn't tell them.

Definitely call around for the chains, we had to head out to Santee for ours. How about Craigs list? Wal-Mart also may carry them and possibly the other retail stores if they are in areas where there may be snow close by.

You guys have fun and watch out for Kevy...I think he might come in a maids outfit toting a whip.....maybe chains, too.

[keith - SuPeR K!]

So... What should I be packing for this crazy adventure? I'm totally clueless as I've never stayed in Yosemite, just driven through at night.

[Not Afraid]

Based on current weather predictions, it will be cold at night (in the high 20's or 30's). Daytime should be about 60. So, I suggest layers. And you'll need hiking boots (Preferably).

[innerSpaceman]

And dildos. Plenty of dildos.











What?

[Not Afraid]

I'm sleeping in YOUR room!

[keith - SuPeR K!]

And dildos. Plenty of dildos.

I'm assuming you will need those just in case you meet some hot kinky dom guy while we are gaying it up in San Fran... ;)

[Betty]

Socks and underpants.

In case there was any confusion - I should clarify that that was CLEAN socks and underpants. ;)

[Snowflake]

Socks and underpants.

Cute jammies with bunny socks

[Not Afraid]

I'm bringing an extra pillow. I know it is a large thing to pack, but I'm pillow whore and I need to to sleep.

I'm still a bit worried about getting all of our stuff in the car when we leave but I figure ISM is going to Cambria and several people are heading back South and maybe people can put crap in their car if it won't fit in mine.

I wasn't going to bring the cooler, but now I'm thinking it might be a good idea.

[Snowflake]

Well, if anyone really wants to be, uh, kinky, I am bringing a 3lb salami (about 2 and half feet long and girthy) for the lunch/sandwich building/snacking variety. Molinari's, the best to be had for a domestic salami.

I'm also bringing a couple of cases of non-eco-friendly water bottle for carrying on hikes or just drinking. I will also bring some soda if people let me know what the preferences may be.

Should I bring some Acme bread?

More stuff cause I just talked with NA.

[innerSpaceman]

I'm bringing an extra pillow ... I'm still a bit worried about getting all of our stuff in the car when we leave but I figure ISM is going to Cambria and several people are heading back South and maybe people can put crap in their car if it won't fit in mine.

I'm bringing a pillow, too. Gotta have an extra ... and, 'natch, in the drunkenseamstress case, d'uh.


Also, since K's krap won't be in my car on the way to Cambria and eventually back to L.A., I could potentially fit some of your excess stuff .... but NO DOG.

[innerSpaceman]

I'm assuming you will need those just in case you meet some hot kinky dom guy while we are gaying it up in San Fran... ;)

Ya never know. We'll only be in town for 36 hours, but I like a man who works fast.
:evil:

[JWBear]

I'll also be bringing an extra pillow (and I'm sure Bill will too). We're also bringing our own towels. Just in case.

Oh... while I'm thinking of it... Does anyone have a large glass or earthenware mixing bowl (no metal or plastic!) they can bring? I'll need at least one more for the sourdoughs.

Does this place have a large griddle?

[Not Afraid]

I will be bringing a large bowl - ceramic - that would be perfect for bread. I won't be needing it after Friday night.

I am thinking about bringing my very large iron skillet. It is a very useful piece of cookware. I also will probably be bringing a good knife.

So, how are we doing on lunch stuff? Steve/Keith - have you contributed to the food? I'm also not paying attention to alcohol. You guys are on your own on that front. I, however, will be bringing a case of fuzzy water.

[MouseWife]

Dont forget beanies, gloves,a few pair in case they get wet.

Also, in the kitchen, cutting boards? We take a large rubbermaid container with all of the supplies/food we can fit and they slip along the side. Can opener? {just in case} Ziplocks? Extension cords? Just to make sure things are convenient. Dishsoap?

[Scrooge McSam]

/jealous beyond any and all reason

[~MS~]

From experience, EXTRA toliet paper (your favorite brand) and extra paper towels and paper napkins.

[Prudence]

/jealous beyond any and all reason

seconded with great enthusiasm. extra much because I'm closer and have recently acquired a great mass of comp time leave I could have used. There had better be a swank camp next year, gosh darn it!

[Not Afraid]

Good call, MS!

My Bro and SIL may be joining us for dinner one night. I don't know which night yet so I can't forewarn whoever is on for dinner that night. If this is a problem , please let me know.

The good thing is, if they come up, they will bring Thurston. The bad news is, they will have to take him back home and I will probably cry.

[Not Afraid]

seconded with great enthusiasm. extra much because I'm closer and have recently acquired a great mass of comp time leave I could have used. There had better be a swank camp next year, gosh darn it!

Come to Cambria!

[innerSpaceman]

So, how are we doing on lunch stuff? Steve/Keith - have you contributed to the food?

I'm treating everyone to lunch at the Ahwahnee.



Seriously, I don't plan on being at the cabin during lunch time, and lunch is all that's left. So let's do lunch at the Ahwahnee one day. My treat.

[Scrooge McSam]

Come to Cambria!

I tried

FAIL

[Betty]

I'm not going because my husband doesn't like people... hee hee... really. And well - because trying to get him to go along to meet and then spend uninterrupted time with weird people from the internet is a hard argument to make.

We are going camping next week though. (without all you weirdos) ;)

[JWBear]

I will be bringing a large bowl - ceramic - that would be perfect for bread. I won't be needing it after Friday night.

I am thinking about bringing my very large iron skillet. It is a very useful piece of cookware. I also will probably be bringing a good knife.

So, how are we doing on lunch stuff? Steve/Keith - have you contributed to the food? I'm also not paying attention to alcohol. You guys are on your own on that front. I, however, will be bringing a case of fuzzy water.

Friday night????

[Snowflake]

Oh, do I need to contribute any bacon? I see there is lots of Not Bacon and that cannot be right.

[JWBear]

There's always room for more bacon!

[Disneyphile]

So, how are we doing on lunch stuff?Well, between Snowflake's ginormous schlong of salami and our other sandwich supplies, I think we've got all three days of lunch covered. We're bringing 4 loaves of different breads, assorted meats, cheeses, condiments, and veggies, plus an assortment of chips and crackers. We're also supplying some baggies, so that people can pack their lunches for hikes/outings if needed. :)

One thing that wasn't covered on the spreadsheet is evening snacks for during boardgames, etc. So, if anyone still needs to contribute to food, maybe that's an idea - popcorn, veggie sticks, candy, etc.

NA - we're bringing our large cooler to transport all of the sandwich stuff, so, once we transfer it to the fridge, it will be available to stow drinks and ice. So, if you want to save packing room, you probably won't need yours. I believe K&S are also bringing theirs as well. Between those and the two fridges, we should be ok. What do you think? :)

We're also bringing our pillows and towels, and our small electric space heater.

Oh, and we'll bring quite a few boardgames, plus our WiiMotes with a Disney trivia game for the Wii. If there are any boardgame requests, please post, because we probably own them and we'll bring 'em. (We have 3 bookcases and one large cabinet full of games.) So far, we're definitely bringing: Risk, Things, Monopoly, POTC Life, and Scattergories, Guillotine, and Chez Geek.

[ToriBear]

If there are any boardgame requests, please post, because we probably own them and we'll bring 'em.



Ooo, Twister!! That will be fun, don't ya think!? :evil:

[innerSpaceman]

I dunno. Twister and dildos could be dangerous.

[JWBear]

I'll bring a couple decks of cards. Anyone else know how to play Oh Hell?

[SacTown Chronic]

We are going camping next week though. (without all you weirdos) ;)We're going camping in two days. I hope I can find some weirdos.


As for your husband, well, I don't much like people either. But that never stopped me from enjoying this group.


I tried

FAILIt's true! We almost had him bound, gagged, and tossed into the trunk.

[~MS~]

Lashbear had a case - a CASE of canned bacon sent here to be taken to the cabin swankin

[innerSpaceman]

I'm afraid to ask ... but what is Canned Bacon?








Is it anything like canned laughter?

[~MS~]

http://www.mredepot.com/servlet/the-461/Yoder%E2%80%99s-Celebrity-Canned-Bacon/Detail


I don't know how to do the 'good' link without a cheat bar!

[Disneyphile]

Would it help if we bring our George Foreman indoor grill? It can do sausages and/or bacon in about 5 minutes, with most of the grease draining off.

Tori - I'll double-check for Twister tonight and add that to the stack of games. :)

[Moonliner]

http://www.mredepot.com/servlet/the-461/Yoder%E2%80%99s-Celebrity-Canned-Bacon/Detail


I don't know how to do the 'good' link without a cheat bar!

I'm not sure about the canned bacon, but there is a lot of other fun stuff on that website. I wonder if a flair gun (http://www.mredepot.com/servlet/the-475/25MM-Launcher-Aerial-Signals/Detail) is a loophole in the no fireworks laws we have around here....

[~MS~]

Just a FYI for anyone looking for chains for this trip, I've been doing some research for Snowflake and found that the Autozone stores have a very generous return policy, unused with the receipt = full refund within 90 days.

We're still hoping that her rental will be able to use mine so we can eliminate one worry for her but if not we have plan b in place.

[Betty]

We're going camping in two days. I hope I can find some weirdos.


As for your husband, well, I don't much like people either. But that never stopped me from enjoying this group.


It's true! We almost had him bound, gagged, and tossed into the trunk.

And we're just as strange an you all anyway... I have no excuse I guess. I'm just jealous I'm not going.

Where are you going camping?

[keith - SuPeR K!]

Oh, and we'll bring quite a few boardgames, plus our WiiMotes with a Disney trivia game for the Wii. If there are any boardgame requests, please post, because we probably own them and we'll bring 'em. (We have 3 bookcases and one large cabinet full of games.) So far, we're definitely bringing: Risk, Things, Monopoly, POTC Life, and Scattergories, Guillotine, and Chez Geek.

Yes!

Game of Things:
Definitely one of my favorites! Hilarity most always ensues. Please bring!

Scattergories:
I've actually come up with a pretty cool way to play group Scattergories that I've been dying to try out. I will try and bring my Scattergories set as well so we can try it out :)

Catch Phrase:
Great for large groups! I'll bring it...

[innerSpaceman]

I'll bring the liquor that will add to the ensuing hilarity of game playing.

[JWBear]

"Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker!"

[Disneyphile]

Catch Phrase:
Great for large groups! I'll bring it...
Excellent game! Definitely bring that one - it's one that is still on our wish list. :)

[Kevy Baby]

I'm bringing an extra pillow. I know it is a large thing to pack, but I'm pillow whore and I need to to sleep.I am sure we will be bringing extra pillows as well.

I'm still a bit worried about getting all of our stuff in the car when we leave but I figure ISM is going to Cambria and several people are heading back South and maybe people can put crap in their car if it won't fit in mine.I had been toying with the idea of bringing the van, but now I am not so sure; we may just want to bring the car.

However, I am not sure who is counting on us carrying stuff back for them. If you are expecting us to do so, please let us know and we will make suer we can accommodate.
I wasn't going to bring the cooler, but now I'm thinking it might be a good idea.It appears we are bringing ours (I was unaware of this, but then I am unaware of a lot of things) as are K&T so it won't be necessary for you to bring yours - I know that you are running short of space in your Vulva.

[lashbear]

We're travelling in a Vulva????!!!! Is that like a Womb with a View

PS: We're bringing TimTams

[SacTown Chronic]

Where are you going camping?Jenkinson Lake(Sly Park). It's about halfway between Sac and Lake Tahoe, right below the snow line for the most part. It's just a weekend getaway for me, Josh, and Todd, but any camping gets me stoked. We've been known to go for one night just to go.


Where you guys camping?

[Moonliner]

Jenkinson Lake(Sly Park). It's about halfway between Sac and Lake Tahoe, right below the snow line for the most part. It's just a weekend getaway for me, Josh, and Todd, but any camping gets me stoked. We've been known to go for one night just to go.




That's a great idea. Someone really should plan some type of camping swanking for this spring.



(You know, that never get's old....)

[Kevy Baby]

BTW: Susan is at an Auto Zone right now. She has verified that if you return the unused chains within 90 days (with a receipt), you will get a full refund.

It's a good thing she is in today: she had to order them today for them to arrive on time. I forgot to ask her how much they were.

And in case anyone doesn't know: the chains would go on the drive wheels. The guy at Auto Zone was saying that if we were taking the van (rear wheel drive), the chains would go on the front.

DUH!

[Kevy Baby]

That's a great idea. Someone really should plan some type of camping swanking for this spring.I wonder if the Lashes would come over for it?

[Moonliner]

I wonder if the Lashes would come over for it?

Don't they like live in Australia? That's a bit far to come....

[BDBopper]

Wow! even though I am not going this thread is so fun to read! You guys are awesome!

I see there is a house phone. Does anyone know what the number for it is so an East Coaster might call to say hello while you have your "swanky whipping dildo bacon orgy-fest?"

[~MS~]

Wow! even though I am not going this thread is so fun to read! You guys are awesome!

I see there is a house phone. Does anyone know what the number for it is so an East Coaster might call to say hello while you have your "swanky whipping dildo bacon orgy-fest?"

All the information is listed

http://www.loungeoftomorrow.com/LoT/showpost.php?p=277455&postcount=1

[Kevy Baby]

Don't they like live in Australia? That's a bit far to come....I wonder if we will know when they get here?

[BDBopper]

All the information is listed

http://www.loungeoftomorrow.com/LoT/showpost.php?p=277455&postcount=1

DUH! Sorry about that. Thanks Lisa! :)

[innerSpaceman]

ok, so a big FAIL on getting tire chains before I leave. I guess we're just going to chance it ... but that means we may not be showing up after all.

[innerSpaceman]

Actually, I'm thinking of not chancing it. I'm thinking of not going.

[Betty]

Actually, I'm thinking of not chancing it. I'm thinking of not going.

Aren't you Mr. Decisive!:p

[innerSpaceman]

I have to decide in the next hour or so. If I'm going to cancel hotel ressies, they have to be cancelled tonight.


I'm pretty decisive, except when I'm stressed, which I am right now. I was looking forward to this trip, but apparently not enough to prepare properly. It's times like these when I wish I didn't have a traveling partner. I'd be plenty decisive if I was just deciding for me.

[Alex]

I know you and I have vastly different approaches to going places and travel.

But: Just shut up and go. That would be my advice.

[DreadPirateRoberts]

Go. If there was any snow, it wouldn't be much, and the roads would only have chain control while it was snowing. It would be cleared up pretty quick, and you could be on your way. Worst case, you park your car down the hill and have someone drive down and bring you up.

[lashbear]

I wonder if we will know when they get here?
Are we here yet?

[Kevy Baby]

Are we here yet?If you are, someone should tell Nirvanaman

[wendybeth]

Lol- I just noticed your sig line, Lash. Snow and happiness are not two words that belong together in the same sentence up here right now. ;)

Actually, it's been in the high 60's for the past few days but it's supposed to cool down tomorrow, and there is plenty of snow on Mount Spokane for your enjoyment.


Btw, 'Spokane' means 'Children of the sun' in Salish.

[innerSpaceman]

ok, so we're gonna take Alex's advice and just shut up and go.



Despite that there's apparently a bewildering variety of tire sizes to which snow chains or cables must be fitted, we're going to trust to our assumption that towns and villages closer to the mountains will have some variety of the stuff, even in MID-FREAKING-APRIL ... otherwheres known as idyllic Springtime.


If we don't find any and they don't let us in the Park, will someone come down to El Portal and get us?? :D

[JWBear]

I'm starting to get concerned as well. I need to find chains for my Mini before we leave.

[MouseWife]

Like it's been said, even if it is snowing, they probably won't require chains. It doesn't usually snow that much. We've just said we have the chains in the back and they never look. BUT I would hate to be in the situation where I needed them. I mean, would you have time to wait out needing them?

Anyways, I agree, do not cancel your plans! You lucky sonofabitch! We had to cancel plans we'd made last year and now we don't have any idea when we'll be able to get back. And we'll probably be stuck getting housekeeping camp at this point.

Hey, if you do get there and it is snowing, just park for a while and wait until it stops. It should be okay once they plow the roads, eh? I'm just saying.

Oh, and, while it was the truth, we said we had the chains buried in all of our junk and they just waved us on. :0)

Hey, you could call a place along your route...maybe they might have them?

[Not Afraid]

Where are Manny Moe and Jack when you need them?

[Tref]

Like it's been said, even if it is snowing, they probably won't require chains.

I can't imagine chains helping a mini much. How do those cars handle snow, or are the chains to tie up the mini to a parking meter?

[wendybeth]

ok, so we're gonna take Alex's advice and just shut up and go.



Despite that there's apparently a bewildering variety of tire sizes to which snow chains or cables must be fitted, we're going to trust to our assumption that towns and villages closer to the mountains will have some variety of the stuff, even in MID-FREAKING-APRIL ... otherwheres known as idyllic Springtime.


If we don't find any and they don't let us in the Park, will someone come down to El Portal and get us?? :D

If we manage to get chains (or sneak in without them) we'll be glad to transport- could be fun! Our car does great in the snow, and they'd have to get hit with a hell of a storm to beat what we just went through up here. The only time the car couldn't go was when we got four feet overnight and it was higher than the wheel base. Even a Hummer got stuck on our hill- that was great!

[Kevy Baby]

Where are Manny Moe and Jack when you need them?Weird timing: A Pep Boys commercial came on as I was reading this post.

Freaky

[€uroMeinke]

What's the issue with the chains? You used to be able to walk into any automotive store and get some for something around $25. Are they not in stock? Have the price of chains risen so much? Or is this just fear of driving in snow and ice?

[Kevy Baby]

Something tells me that this is not a high-volume item in April in Southern California.

[innerSpaceman]

You used to be able to walk into any automotive store and get some for something around $25. Are they not in stock?

No kidding.

Seriously, if it hadn't been for Kevy's post above, I might have waited till I was heading out of town on Saturday. Oi, I guess I'm an old man mourning the steam train, but that's how it used to be done ... and it was better that way.


I think Pep Boys might still do that, but of course my local returned their entire stock of snow chains a few days ago ... because Winter's OVER!

AutoZone orders them for you, instead of carrying a zillion different sizes ... but couldn't have them before Monday. Oh, and they wouldn't honor that bit about refunding unopened packages ... the entire reason I went there in the first place.

Similarly, the earliest I could get them received from any number of on-line sites was Monday. I love shopping online, but I hate that so little can be purchased in-person nowadays when you happen to need something fast or immediately.


Hehehe, Keith found a Wal*Mart in Manteca that reportedly stocks a large supply of snow chains. Since, as it turns out, portions of Highway 120 are still closed for the winter, we will be making a southern dip through a fair number of small-to-midsize Central Northern Cali Towns, looking for snow chains in every one.


Chances are, of course, we won't need them. But the only way to guarantee we won't ever need them ... is, of course, to have them. ;)

[Capt Jack]

Ive come across more than one place that rent them. usually the same places that rent trailers, engine lifts, roto-tillers, ditch diggers and other stuff. might try calling around to some of those in your area to see if they have some in a bucket somewhere.

[MouseWife]

I think what happens is that the stores don't carry a helluva whole lot of them because typically, there isn't a need for them. Or, they order just a certain amount and don't restock.

The store I work at gets one shipment of snowboots and when they are gone, that is it {from what I've seen}.

I think the deal is, also, that we did have snow. Or, that there was predicted snow this 'season' {which is still on in the mountains, I've been to Yosemite with a lot of snow end of March/beginning of April as well as Tahoe, these are different areas} so people went out and bought them.

I've seen a lot of people go a long way to be turned around for lack of chains.

iSm, I think you would find them on your route {or like Capt Jack said, call those kind of places, great idea!} as those places might be more prone to snowfall.

And, I have to ask {too lazy to go and search}, where did you get reservations, iSm? I thought you had campground ressies? Do tell me, please? I am so living through your stories. Cleaning showers & closets and thinking of vacations.....

[katiesue]

The Chevron in Bishop had a whole isle of chains and cables on Sunday. But it's not really on your way.

Napa sometimes has them. When I got my last set here they told me that basically they do one order for the season and when they're out they're out. What about Bakersfield?

[SacTown Chronic]

You can only get sand chains in Bakersfield.


Free Buck Owens CD with Purchase!

[innerSpaceman]

I've seen a lot of people go a long way to be turned around for lack of chains.
:eek:

iSm, I think you would find them on your route ... as those places might be more prone to snowfall.
That's what we're relying on. I'm not gonna bother calling around here. Winter's long been over. We had snow in Southern California for about a week.


And, I have to ask {too lazy to go and search}, where did you get reservations, iSm? I thought you had campground ressies?
We cancelled our campground ressies when a spot opened up in the cabin. Too bad, because Lower Pines campground ressies are usually hard to come by, but I got these with no problem (perhaps because its freezing at night in Lower Pines in mid-April, who knows? I won't.)

The ressies I earlier referred to were hotel reservations in San Francisco that would have had to be cancelled yesterday to incur no charge. K and I had a long talk and decided to put our faith in finding snow chains somewhere from Manteco to Merced.


The Chevron in Bishop had a whole isle of chains and cables on Sunday. But it's not really on your way.
Not really, but it reminds me ... during that long talk yesterday, K recalled traveling from the eastern side of the Sierra through Yosemite to the west in April ... and his discovery that April doesn't mean what we at lower elevations think it means, when he was turned back after driving quite a distance through the Park on the Tioga Road.


Ooops. :(


I'm really not in the mood to do anything like that, so I hope we find snow chains in Merced or Turlock or somewhere. (Or that we don't get caught if we lie about having them "in the back.")

[katiesue]

Yea all the passes from 395 thorugh to Yosemite were still closed last weekend.

[Disneyphile]

Since, as it turns out, portions of Highway 120 are still closed for the winter, we will be making a southern dip through a fair number of small-to-midsize Central Northern Cali Towns, looking for snow chains in every one.I totally expect a full trip report on this, so we can adapt it to a screenplay about the epic voyage of two guys through rural California, in search of the holy grail of vehicle items, all for a four night trip into a National Park. It'll be reminiscent of "Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle". Extra mojo if you happen to ride a cheetah at some point during your journey. ;)

[€uroMeinke]

On our last camping trip to Kings Canyon - due to the lateness of my arrival and departure, I avoided meeting any rangers at park entrance of exit - so perhaps if you sneak in at dead of night, no chains will be required.

[Not Afraid]

Only in So Cal could we have so much drama over chains.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

I thought chains were just good intimate congress in California, that they'd be dramatic elsewhere?

[wendybeth]

We'll probably be up for some advice from y'all as to how to approach Yosemite from up here- we'll be taking I-5, but we're assuming we'll have to take one or more smaller highways to get to the entrance- any ideas?

[MouseWife]

LOL that's what I said!! Just point to the back. If they insist upon seeing them {which I doubt} dig through...if you don't find them, point the finger at each other and throw your hands up in the air. ;0) {that sounds like it would look funny!}

And, Tioga Pass is still closed, pretty sure.

http://www.yosemite.org/vryos/

I wonder if that station is manned? And, it won't matter if it snows, the HP will be there to check your tires. And only if chains are warrented.

Ah, so a cabin. Well, I think your bones will be much more happy in the future that you didn't sleep out in the cold that is expected. I was drooling thinking that you had splurged and gotten a room at the Awahnee.

Okay, not really drooling. Don't visualize that.

Oh, and if anyone goes to the stores and sees a really cool brown coffee mug with Yosemite in blue and blue inside...don't buy it. For some reason, a layer is peeling off of it. Like, plastic or something. I don't know. Blech. Loved that cup, too.

Oh, and the people turned around for chains, that was when they were necessary. Saying you have them will get you past part 'A'.

[katiesue]

I just looked and there are a number of lisitng on Craigs List for chains/cables.

[innerSpaceman]

how to approach Yosemite from up here- we'll be taking I-5, but we're assuming we'll have to take one or more smaller highways to get to the entrance- any ideas?
Well, there are only 3 ways in from the West. The northern entrance, which we were going to use, is via Highway 120. The Dept. of Transportation site (http://www.dot.ca.gov/cgi-bin/roads.cgi) has portions of that CLOSED. The next southerly route is via the 140, called the "All Year Highway" because it runs into the Valley via the route of the Merced River, and thus doesn't cross any mountain passes. Always Open. That's the route I would suggest.

In fact, when are you traveling? Wanna meet up in Modesto or something and caravan in??:cool:


I totally expect a full trip report on this, so we can adapt it to a screenplay about the epic voyage of two guys through rural California, in search of the holy grail of vehicle items, all for a four night trip into a National Park.
Oooh, oooh, let's make it two gay guys searching for the vehicle grail through the car parts stores of rural California ... that'll be even funnier!





oh.




wait.

[MouseWife]

We'll probably be up for some advice from y'all as to how to approach Yosemite from up here- we'll be taking I-5, but we're assuming we'll have to take one or more smaller highways to get to the entrance- any ideas?


Coming from the North? I am sure if you mapquest it, it will say. The thing is to remember some entrances are closed during the winter. Or, rather, through Memorial Day weekend.

The El Portal entrance should be open, we've taken that out to do Hwy'49.

The typical way is the south entrance, we get there through Oakhurst.

See what you get and then come back on here. I would think Alex would be able to tell you, or STC as they would be coming that way.

Also, might be a good idea to carry the number for road conditions so that you can call and check if you are in any doubt about weather/closures.

[Disneyphile]

Oooh, oooh, let's make it two gay guys searching for the vehicle grail through the car parts stores of rural California ... that'll be even funnier!In that case, it'd be a suspense thriller. :p

[Not Afraid]

We'll probably be up for some advice from y'all as to how to approach Yosemite from up here- we'll be taking I-5, but we're assuming we'll have to take one or more smaller highways to get to the entrance- any ideas?

OK, I talked to my SIL who has lived in Yosemite for 40+ years. These are her directions from the North or North East.


Take the 5 to Sacramento, transition to the 99 South. At Madera, take the 145 East to the 41. Turn left at the 41 and take the 41 through Coursegold, Oakhurst and Fishcamp and the Park entrance is just past Fish Camp. You'll drive about 45 minutes to an hour until you'll see signs for Badger Pass/Glacier Point (it will probably be a brown sign first that says Badger Pass - Open Glacier Point - Closed) and also for Yosemite West. The Badger Pass/Glacier point road will be on your right and the road for Yosemite West will be on the left. You're going to turn into Yosemite West and follow the cabin map to our cabin.

BTW, they had 12" of snow at Fish Camp yesterday is at 5280'. The cabin is at 5800' so it got at least 12" of snow if not more.

The roads should be clear but there may be snow on the ground.


BTW:
Do NOT go over the speed limit on 41. They are having a ticket frenzy lately. California needs money.

[Disneyphile]

According to the official Yosemite site, HWY 120 is open to Big Oak road, for those coming in from the north looking to take a slow and scenic route. We're still going to call on Monday morning though, and double-check before attempting the route. NA's route seems a lot more safer though.

Also, here are the current trail conditions:

All park trails are open, except:


The southern portion of the Mirror Lake Loop is closed due to a rockslide. (Access to Mirror Lake and Snow Creek Trail is still available, as usual.) Learn more about the rockfall.
The Mist Trail between Vernal Fall Footbridge and the top of Vernal Fall is now open; the John Muir Trail between Clark Point and the top of Nevada Fall is closed for the winter.
The Four Mile Trail between Union Point and Glacier Point is closed for the winter (there is no access to Glacier Point via this trail).
The Half Dome cables are down for the season. They are usually reinstalled just before the third weekend in May. (Learn more about the Half Dome hike.)


And, check out the rockslide pics (http://www.nps.gov/yose/parknews/ahwiyahrockfall.htm)! :) Kinda cool that it just recently happened. Might be fun to check out, if the trail is upon up to that point.

[Kevy Baby]

We'll probably be up for some advice from y'all as to how to approach Yosemite from up here...Same way as from down here: with an open mind.

[innerSpaceman]

With no offense meant to NA.'s sister-in-law, why would one travel another hour south to Madera and then head back north that same hour, thru Oakhurst and Wawona and then another 40 minutes on the windy Wawona Road almost all the way back to the same lattitude you would have been at when passing thru Merced on the 99 - from where you can head northwest into Yosemite on 140, All Year Highway along the Riverbed thru El Portal??


Wendy, look at a map.



If someone local were recommending I go more than an hour around about out of my way, I'd assume it would be for better road conditions. But the 140 is called the All Year Highway because it's never closed for snow, and runs into Yosemite without crossing any mountain passes.


So I don't get it. Sounds like changing planes in Denver to travel from Phoenix to Los Angeles.

[Kevy Baby]

Sounds like changing planes in Denver to travel from Phoenix to Los Angeles.I once had to travel through Las Vegas to get from Phoenix to LA.

[Disneyphile]

I once had to travel through Las Vegas to get from Phoenix to LA.I can do better than that. For our senior class trip to Hawaii, we travelled from Las Vegas to Dallas to Honolulu. No joke. It was somehow cheaper that way....

[~MS~]

Steve, are you guys still doing the BYOBW in SF on Sunday? The local Autozone said they have some chains in stock but need a tire size to know if they have the ones you'd need....if you want to call them at 707 428 3994

[Alex]

Per Google Maps, the suggested non-ideal routes are all about the same. If all the roads are open the fastest route would be to take 120 at Manteca and cut through the valley and out on 49.

120 Route (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=spokane,+wa&daddr=7422+Yosemite+Park+Way+Yosemite,+CA+95389&hl=en&geocode=&mra=pr&sll=37.616407,-120.338745&sspn=1.488099,2.471924&ie=UTF8&ll=37.699034,-120.338745&spn=1.486444,2.471924&t=h&z=9) - 17 hours, 21 minutes.
NA's SIL Route (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=spokane,+wa&daddr=36.989391,-120.017395+to:7422+Yosemite+Park+Way+Yosemite,+CA+ 95389&hl=en&geocode=&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=10&via=1&sll=37.257659,-120.097046&sspn=0.747631,1.235962&ie=UTF8&ll=37.453057,-120.206909&spn=1.491362,2.471924&t=h&z=9) - 18 hours
Alternate iSm route (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=spokane,+wa&daddr=37.30246,-120.509033+to:S+CA-99+to:CA-140+to:7422+Yosemite+Park+Way+Yosemite,+CA+95389&hl=en&geocode=%3B%3BFf7gNwIdJFHT-A%3BFTYQOgIdnCvW-A%3B&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=9&via=1,2,3&sll=37.267496,-120.07782&sspn=1.495054,2.471924&ie=UTF8&ll=37.561997,-119.787369&spn=0.372301,0.617981&t=h&z=11) (using 140 to Mariposa) - 18 hours, 10 minutes
iSm route (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=spokane,+wa&daddr=CA-99+S+to:S+CA-99+to:CA-140+to:37.655014,-119.916458+to:7422+Yosemite+Park+Way+Yosemite,+CA+ 95389&hl=en&geocode=%3BFVJPOQId3iDR-A%3BFf7gNwIdJFHT-A%3BFTYQOgIdnCvW-A%3B%3B&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=4&sz=11&via=1,2,3,4&sll=37.581589,-119.810715&sspn=0.372203,0.617981&ie=UTF8&ll=37.448697,-119.73999&spn=1.491449,2.471924&t=h&z=9) (using 140 all the way into valley then out on 41) - 18 hours, 16 minutes

So, assuming that 120 is not completely available (or would be worse driving than you want), I'd probably take Steve's route simply for ease of driving (generally less windy) and you get to see a big landslide that took out the road and requires a detour over the river. It requires a big ass climb out of the valley to get back up to the cabin, though, so if road conditions suck that could be annoying.

[innerSpaceman]

Hmmm, you may have something there Alex. 120 to 49 to 140 is a good deal shorter. I think I selected the route down the 99 to Merced so we could hit more towns with more auto parts stores.

But assuming the Manteca Wal*Mart is the tire chains mecca the internet makes it out to be, or - better yet - the AutoZone in SF referred to above has my brand - I think we'll take the shorter route.

Would I be missing anything if I skip Modesto, Turlock and Merced???

[Not Afraid]

You can take whatever road you want. I'm just relaying the information on the way a person who has lived in Oakhurst for 40+years recommends that you go if you come from the North. Latitude means next to nothing when traveling on mountain roads with lower speed limits and more driving hazards. Shorter mileage doesn't mean faster travel times. Nor does it mean better driving conditions, more smll towns and stop signs, more cops and less confusion.

It is akin to getting to Santa Monica from Long Beach on a Friday Night. 110 to the 10 then back across town is MUCH faster than the more direct 405 north.

[Not Afraid]

It requires a big ass climb out of the valley to get back up to the cabin, though, so if road conditions suck that could be annoying.


Yes it does which is a MAJOR PITA and a SLOOOOOW drive.

[Deebs]

Would I be missing anything if I skip Modesto, Turlock and Merced???

No, no and no.

[Disneyphile]

Well, no matter what, this is the road we're taking, because according to Google Maps, it'll save us a whole 10 minutes! ;)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b80/Disneyphile/tioga_currenta.jpg

[Not Afraid]

You know, WB asked for advice. I took the effort to make a phone call to the person who is an expert on driving conditions nd getting around in the Sierras. Personally, I suggest you take 120 from 395.

[Betty]

And you all are going to now go live together in tight spaces. Tee-hee. I hope you guys get along the whole time!

[Not Afraid]

Oh, we won't. But it will be fun none the less. :)

[BarTopDancer]

Well, no matter what, this is the road we're taking, because according to Google Maps, it'll save us a whole 10 minutes! ;)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b80/Disneyphile/tioga_currenta.jpg

Don't forget your snow shoes.

[€uroMeinke]

Well, if there's snow and a limited number of chains available, we may have to go all Donner Party to survive - Or how about Survivor Yosemite?

[Disneyphile]

Personally, I suggest you take 120 from 395.Shouldn't be a problem, because we're bringing spiked tire chains that I made myself out of barbed wire that was easier to get, since I had some conveniently left over from my last modern macrame project.

I'm still stressing over where to find a large grill that will double as a plow though. We might have to go the cheap route and have Ken sit on the hood with a shovel.

[Kevy Baby]

You know, WB asked for advice. I took the effort to make a phone call to the person who is an expert on driving conditions nd getting around in the Sierras. Personally, I suggest you take 120 from 395.Alex is just sabotaging things since he is jealous.

[Not Afraid]

Alex is just sabotaging things since he is jealous.

He can still come sleep on the front porch.:D

[MouseWife]

You know, WB asked for advice. I took the effort to make a phone call to the person who is an expert on driving conditions nd getting around in the Sierras. Personally, I suggest you take 120 from 395.


I would most definitely follow this advice. No matter what highway is recommended by the internet, it does take the experience of someone who has travelled the route. {that is why I suggested doing the Mapquest and then ask on here...some routes are listed that aren't open year round or that just aren't safe}

These directions, if I could remember the Hwy #'s, is what I would have thought. The other ways, windy, opt to rockslides, etc.

You don't only want the quickest route, but, the most safe route. Along this route, you will find stores, etc. Just keep your eyes open, they probably won't be as frequent as here at home.

Oh, and, the road mentioned, from what I've experienced, is one that is kept clear most. Probably as it gets the most traffic?

[Alex]

Alex is just sabotaging things since he is jealous.

Hey, all I was trying to do was provide some factual underpinnings to the various route options in an attempt to short circuit any arguments based on which route is 400 feet shorter than another or has 4 more taco trucks along the way. And mostly it pointed out that iSm was wrong that the SIL route was horribly worse than his and that it is actually technically a little bit shorter.

All things being equal I gave my aesthetic preference (and it is generally easier on the car and easier on any motion sick-prone passengers, which is why I prefer 140 with Lani even when the other routes are completely fine). But all things probably won't be equal. That said if the climb out of the valley is something to be avoided then that may be an issue since it sounds like it will be done several times over the course of the weekend.

If I were actually going, though, I wouldn't do even as much work as I did above. I'd go, and if I got to a point I couldn't go any farther I'd turn around and try another way until I got there. And if I never got there I'd have had fun trying. Some day I'll be that stupid tourist that gets lost on a back country road and dies of exposure 400 feet from a town hidden behind a hillock.

[MouseWife]

Alex, you crack me up. I have felt that way often {the lost tourist} trying to cut corners between Yosemite and Monterey....

You might be the only male I've ever heard say he wouldn't mind, more or less, not knowing exactly where he is going.

[Alex]

It is only fun if I don't know where exactly I'm going.

Not only do I frequently know how I'll get somewhere it isn't common for us to leave the house not actually knowing where we're going.

[Disneyphile]

It is only fun if I don't know where exactly I'm going.
And, I'm betting, if you get there, you'd most likely sleep under the porch than on it. ;)

[Gemini Cricket]

Euromonkey Johnson is right. This thing is sounding like it's going to be some sort of reality show in the making.
:D
I can't wait to see the obstacle course competition.

[Disneyphile]

I can't wait to see the obstacle course competition.The prize for that is a one-way trip to Half Dome! ;)

[JWBear]

I'm really starting to get concerned. MINIs are really not made for snow chains. Due to clearance issues, you need to get special low profile chains. And even those are only recommended on two sizes of tires. Bill is out with the car right now. I'll check when he gets back, but if I don't have the right size tires, we're fvcked! :(


ETA: Never mind... Lisa talked me off the ledge. :blush:

[keith - SuPeR K!]

Well, no matter what, this is the road we're taking, because according to Google Maps, it'll save us a whole 10 minutes! ;)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b80/Disneyphile/tioga_currenta.jpg

iSm- We should look into this route...

[JWBear]

Google maps has a street view of the cabin. Plug in the address (provided in the OP) and click street view. Looks nice!


ETA: Or just click here. (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=7422+Yosemite+Park+Way+Yosemite,+CA+95389&sll=37.651591,-119.723328&sspn=0,359.986267&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A&layer=c&cbll=37.651569,-119.723439&panoid=abxNYJ4Nn-JExfj-J_XiXA&cbp=12,331.4768024628356,,0,8.900000000000004)

[Disneyphile]

MINIs are really not made for snow chains. How about skis? Turn that baby into a sled and enjoy the ride! :D

[SacTown Chronic]

Not knowing where you are going is how you find cool stuff you didn't know about. I'm always down for that. Hell, I've had more fun not getting to places than i would have had I found what I was looking for.

[MouseWife]

Not knowing where you are going is how you find cool stuff you didn't know about. I'm always down for that. Hell, I've had more fun not getting to places than i would have had I found what I was looking for.

You know, that Asilomar was one of those places I really wasn't sure of.

But, yeah, as a kid, my parents did not make any reservations. Anywhere. Live and learn. Maybe that is why I plan so much?

[Disneyphile]

Maybe that is why I plan so much?Ya know, I have already calculated how much spare toilet paper to bring, based on total area, thickness, and what's on the menu for the week. ;)

[MouseWife]

Ya know, I have already calculated how much spare toilet paper to bring, based on total area, thickness, and what's on the menu for the week. ;)

Smart gal. ;)

[innerSpaceman]

Well, I will avoid the Oakhurst route primarily because I've been on it a dozen times. I like roads and routes I've never traveled. I don't really care if it takes longer to travel the shorter distance, I will personally enjoy it more.

In fact, there was something somewhere about the 140 being one-way stopped because of some rockslide, or was it some weird crossing of the river? ... anyway, even with delays, I'd rather travel the road less traveled ... by me. Not saying anyone else should do anything in particular. But there's just no denying that one entrance to Yosemite is from the north, one from the west, and one from the south. It seems pretty logical which one would be last on the list for somebody coming fromt the north ... but my advice is no more or less valuable than anyone's. Indeed the SIL who lives in Oakhurst seems a more than reliable source (but, hmmmm, of course she's recommending you travel through Oakhurst). ;)


I really enjoyed Nirvanaman's more direct route vis-a-vis Kings Canyon. It may have taken longer, but it was a shorter distance and far more beautiful. Them's my priorities.

Your mileage may vary ... and that phrase is both literal and figurative in this case.

[Betty]

We too love the road less traveled and take advantage of that frequently with off roading.

Did you know that the poem The Road Not Taken (that I always remember as The Road Less Traveled) isn't really about that road being the better one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_Not_Taken_(poem))?

the poem is instead about regret and personal myth-making, rationalizing our decisions.

the final two lines:

I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

are ironic – the choice made little or no difference at all, the speaker's protestations to the contrary. The speaker admits in the second and third stanzas that both paths may be equally worn and equally leaf-covered, and it is only in his future recollection that he will call one road "less traveled by".

[Not Afraid]

We leave tomorrow morning (and I'm working today). I hope everyone has a safe trip and we'll see you in Yosemite!

Any last minute questions that I can answer, ask today.

[MouseWife]

iSm, you're kidding about the road still being blocked by the rockslide?? OMG that has been like that for years! I think I read that it would take years...but that was years ago.

It is true, your route will be scenic and it will be your own experience. I do love the river and wish I knew much more about the history of the towns alongside {the towns which are no more}. I think they are old railway towns, to go along with the railroad that once came as far as I don't know towards Yosemite.

So much history.

Betty, lovely choice of words.

Well, definitely, the photos will be wonderful because they will be so varied! I think even the people going have such different perspectives that the photos of the same places they go will be different.

Can't wait. And, the weather will only add to the fun. :)

[innerSpaceman]

Someone posted above (perhaps Alex?) that the 140 was blocked by a rockslide, and there was some kind of rigged-river crossing to avoid that section. I have no idea if that's accurate, or what vintage the alleged rockslide is. :)


In looking plainly at a map, however, Alex's "recommendation" of a shorter route via the 49 vs. the 99 looks to be half-dozen of one as far as distance. But in fact, the 49 is a smaller road, way more curvy, and goes through even less civilization than Turlock and Merced. So that's the one I'll pick!!

Um, there's not even ANY towns along that road, so I hope there are at least gas stations every coupla hundred miles.

[MouseWife]

I know of what Alex speaks. I remember the bridge over the rough water part of the river, a single lane bridge, if I am correct. Eh, it wasn't too bad. I don't know where you are getting on the 49 but it is lovely. There are towns, small. China Camp is one, I think. I've seen it on line as having way more than I've ever seen there. An old gas station turned gift shop is on one of the corners you should pass. I will be curious to hear your report as to how these towns are doing during this recession. Breaks my heart to see the closures.

Ha, my husband sent me a photo from that link I posted...we are soooo jealous!! I will be 'sharing' your trip with him.

[lashbear]

Wendy, look at a map.
Wendy says "do you like sex & travel? Good, then Fvck Off." :p Maps don't show weather conditions on roads.

Ya know, I have already calculated how much spare toilet paper to bring, based on total area, thickness, and what's on the menu for the week. ;)
Now THAT'S planning ! :snap:

[Alex]

The rockslide is a few years old (2006 I think). I have no idea if they intend to ever clear it (it was BIG and the canyon wall is unstable, picture here (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2007/1275/images/coverphoto.jpg&imgrefurl=http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2007/1275/&usg=__-yTKCdv7IiDo2Lxx6DHz2A_zSPg=&h=580&w=452&sz=83&hl=en&start=6&tbnid=G1CXWQgWGamctM:&tbnh=134&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3DFerguson%2BRock%2BSlide%26gbv%3D2%26h l%3Den%26sa%3DG)).

It is pretty much a semi-permanent pair of bridges they have set up (way back in the day the road used to be on the other side of the river anyway) to cross over. It isn't a big deal except for being one lane and therefore you can end up waiting 20 minutes for your turn.

I didn't mean to say the rockslide was an obstruction, just that I find it something cool to see.

Here's more information (http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM54XN) on the slide, its impacts, and some possible long term plans for a fix. There's even a video of driving over the bypass bridges.

[Disneyphile]

The 140 is open, but has up to a 15-minute wait time to cross the bridges. I'm thinking this might be our route, simply because I wanna get some pictures and awe over the beauty and power of Nature. :D

Oh, and we're going to be hanging out in the Valley for a bit before heading up to the cabin. I plan on checking out trail condition info, as well as the "free art classes (http://www.yosemitepark.com/Activities_NatureHistoryPrograms_ArtClasses.aspx)" that they offer, and can share all of that info with everyone in the evening. :)

Oh, and I also found the "things to do" guide (http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/upload/yg09-3.pdf).

[MouseWife]

Do they still have a photography class? And a tour of the Awahnee?

If you stop by the Yosemite Lodge lobby, to the right of the front desk is a sort of 'concierge' with information about tours as well as on the wall to the right {if you were to walk down the hall {towards the bathrooms on the left!} it lists their programs for the week.

The Lodge has speakers there sharing interesting topics, usually at 7 p.m. May be too late?

Night time photo classes, too, maybe....

http://www.yosemitepark.com/

Hwy 49 info....

http://www.historichwy49.com/index.html

[JWBear]

Does anyone have a large griddle they can bring? Unfortunately, the one I use is part of the stove...

Oh... And we have chains. there is no way in hell that they'll actually fit my car; but we have them.

[Not Afraid]

I would get gas before you hit the park. While I believe they do have gas in the park, I bet it's not cheap. But, I could be wrong about that.

[MouseWife]

An important thing to remember!!!

The gas in the park is by the Wawona. I could be wrong but I don't think so.

The other place, digging in the memory here, is on the 120 heading out/in Craneflat.

If you are coming in on the 140, there is gas right there in El Portal but the one time we had to buy gas there we surely felt gouged.

So, yes, heed the warning!!! You can burn up a lot of gas cruising around the valley. One way to save is to park down in the valley and take the free shuttle or walk.

Oakhurst, Baby. Top it off.

[innerSpaceman]

Yeah, my route is not going to hit even as vast a metropolis as Oakhurst, so we'll just have to pay for gas at the gouge rate in Merced or El Portal.


And, sorry JW, I don't have a large (or any) griddle. If K & T were considering bringing their CampMaster 3000, that would have a good griddle (but then I'm afraid there might be no room for poor SuPeR K! to ride back with them.) :p

[Disneyphile]

If K & T were considering bringing their CampMaster 3000, that would have a good griddle (but then I'm afraid there might be no room for poor SuPeR K! to ride back with them.) :pWe definitely won't have room for it on this trip. Also, it has to be used outside.

However.... we'll bring both griddle plates, since they're flat. I don't see why they couldn't be placed atop a gas burner, and I'm sure the stove in the cabin will be gas - it looks so in the photos. One is non-stick and one is cast iron, so plan accordingly. ;)

[Kevy Baby]

This may have been discussed already (and don't stone me for asking), but does the cabin have internet access? I may have to consult on some work related issues next week.

It's good to be valuable to your employer, but it has its drawbacks.

[innerSpaceman]

I think there's internet access in Oakhurst.

[keith - SuPeR K!]

See you all in Yosemite! *leaves Vegas*

[€uroMeinke]

Yes get gas in Oakhurt on your way in, especially if you have a larger vehicle

We are bringing along a large iron skillet.

I don't know of any internet access but you never know what you can find. Just don't count on it.

[innerSpaceman]

Oi, was that K really leaving Vegas at 8:42! He's got to drive all the way to L.A. and just then begin the didididid. Something tells me we're getting a late start tomorrow. ;)

[Disneyphile]

Hey, Kevy - the Yosemite Lodge in the Valley offers Wi-Fi service for a flat daily rate of $9.95. They also have two internet kiosks available for 25-cents per minute. Be sure to add that to an expense report, if you end up needing it.

[JWBear]

I certainly hope Kevy's avatar is not coming with him to Yosemite. :eek:

[lashbear]

Hey, Kevy - the Yosemite Lodge in the Valley offers Wi-Fi service for a flat daily rate of $9.95. They also have two internet kiosks available for 25-cents per minute. Be sure to add that to an expense report, if you end up needing it.
So, if Kevy springs for daily access and claims it on the expense report, others may get to use it too, perhaps...

;)

[Morrigoon]

Oooh, I'm so jealous! Have a terrifically swanky time, everyone!

[innerSpaceman]

I guess we'll finally be hitting the road around noon. Heheh.

Anyways, since K and I are not officially on the meal plan, having been berthed too late, we are providing The Bar (though my offer for Ahwahnee Lunch stands as well). We have most kinds of alcohol known to man. Except gin and scotch, so if them's your poison, please BYO.

We have a plethora of mixers, but no garnishes. So if you need olives for your martinis or must have a swirly slice of lime on the rim of your Tasty Beverage, again - please BYO.


Otherwise, see you all there ... W00t! Cabin Swanking! Will we each taste like the link says we will when snowbound insantiy causes us to go all cannibal on each other?!?

:evil:

[JWBear]

Will we each taste like the link says we will when snowbound insantiy causes us to go all cannibal on each other?!?

:evil:

It'll never come to that. With the amount of bacon I suspect will be brought, we'll be able to eat for a month!

[wendybeth]

Well, we sent the Lashpair off on a plane this morning (had to get up at an ungodly hour) and we are now packing up. We have extra liquor to add to the bar- despite doing our level best to consume it all the other night, there is still a fair amount left over. (Including some gin). We'll pick up mixers and garnish stuff before we hit Yosemite. I'm bringing along an electric griddle- is there anything else needed along that line? Also, what about coffee makers? I am having a recurring nightmare about getting snowbound without coffee.:eek:

[JWBear]

I have a batch of shortbread in the oven, and cookie dough chilling in the fridge for baking later this afternoon. (I just hope they last until we get to the cabin on Monday!)

Oh, I was melting the chocolate for the cookies earlier and Bill was making nummy noises. Now he's playing the soundtrack for Chocolat. :D

[Not Afraid]

Easter weekend traffic iis NOT fun. But we should be in the Sierras by six pm. We Weill be leaving Oakhurst at about 3 on Monday. Call if you're around.

[Capt Jack]

have fun everyone. wish I could have joined you

[wendybeth]

I just heard from Stoat, and they have safely arrived at MS's. I'm so glad we're seeing them again in a few days, or I truly would have been sad to say goodbye. They weren't here for nearly long enough, but we had fun and I'm very grateful to have had the time alone with them that we did. It's going to be a little hard to share them.;)


I'm sure Lash and Stoat will post about their adventures here, but I just wanted to assure everyone we have video of them frolicking in the snow atop Mount Spokane. Lash was in his Crocs- he's a natural at this PNW thing, although a purist would insist on Birk's. We also had a nice dinner at Clinkerdaggers, a local landmark restaurant overlooking the Spokane river- it was very nice. I think I'm still full.

[Kevy Baby]

Griddle issue solution: the new camping grill (http://www.campingcomfortably.com/camp-chef-professional-triple-burner-cooker.html) we bought came with a very large griddle. We shall bring that.

I believe it is this one (http://www.campchef.com/catalog/item/1/19/0/SG90/127/Professional+18%22+x+24%22+Fry+Griddle.html):

http://www.campchef.com/sites/campchef/images/products/sg90.jpg

[Not Afraid]

Beware speedctraps. We have seen many CHP in hiding with radar out.

It is beaitiful and green up here. Just hit Coursegold.

[Mousey Girl]

A reminder to anyone heading to Cambria after Yosemite. There are major speed traps all along Highway 46. They are usually thickest between Cholome & Paso, near the rest area. Friday afternoon/evenings they are running pretty heavy.

[Disneyphile]

Just restocked the First Aid kit. We have remedies for most ailments. All are welcome to use it if the need arises. :)

I'm still trying to get my class assignment done. Unfortunately, I lost nearly five hours of work on it today when the program crashed. :(

[Kevy Baby]

We have so much to do before leaving. So naturally, I am posting on LoT

[wendybeth]

We have so much to do before leaving. So naturally, I am posting on LoT

Me, too!

Actually, we're on schedule- we'll be leaving in about ten minutes. We're going to drive as far as possible today, with an eye for meeting up with Chris and Lisa tomorrow before the Park so we can grocery shop together. After being so busy for the last few weeks I am going to enjoy sitting on my ass during this drive. (I think).

See you all soon!:cheers:

[MouseWife]

I really love sitting on my ass and looking out the window. I love to think about each town, house, etc. What is their story?

Luckily I am not the one driving. :D

[Strangler Lewis]

You guys all missed a great final round of the Masters.

[~MS~]

Heads up, Snowflake and Lashpair are in route!

[libraryvixen]

Frodo and Disneyphile are on route after a relaxing evening at my place! Have a good time everyone! :D

[Kevy Baby]

... and cookie dough chilling in the fridge for baking later this afternoon. (I just hope they last until we get to the cabin on Monday!)Wait... I don't remember any cookies. The shortbread; yes. But no cookies.

[JWBear]

They were there. They got lost in the piles of snacky things in the downstairs kitchen.

[lashbear]

Sooooooooo many snacky things !! :cheers: