The Disturbed Right-Winger Rampages Thread

[JWBear]

As they're getting more and more frequent, I thought they needed their own thread.

Here's the latest. (http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/cartwright_16963___article.html/elizabeth_deputies.html)

[scaeagles]

Never mind.

I'll just suffice it to say that there are disturbed people in all areas of society.

[innerSpaceman]

Disturbed murderers, scaeagles?


I'm not cataloguing this stuff, but I don't recall many violent killers being of liberal bent.

Could be my selective memory, I admit. Is there a case study or something?

[CoasterMatt]

I think there was more disturbed people in the comments portion of that link than anybody involved in the actual situation.

[scaeagles]

John Wayne Gacy had aspirations of going into politics and worked with the Democratic township committeeman where he lived. I suppose I could dig more and find examples, just as anyone could about pretty much any group.

Dan White of the "twinkie defense" was a democrat city supervisor in San Francisco who murdered the mayor of San Francisco. Edited to add - Good lord - he killed Harvey Milk, too, didn't he? But I suppose just because he was a democrat doesn't mean he was a leftist....just like someone who was disturbed about Obama becoming President doesn't mean he voted for McCain or is even a right winger.

I could come up with probably hundreds just as anyone could about the right. Or any group.

[Alex]

I'm guessing the guy who killed four cops up here last month wasn't a Republican. But that is just profiling on my part.

[scaeagles]

I've been doing a bit of looking around and I can find PLENTY of left leaning murderers out there just here in AZ.

[Not Afraid]

I'm sure there are as many left wing whakjobs out there as right ones.

[flippyshark]

I've gotta side with scaeagles here - this kind of dangerous crazy can happen to people of all classes and persuasions. In this particular case, it sounds like the man's political views were fueled by paranoia, and it's the paranoia that made him dangerous, not his (pseudo)-conservatism. He probably would have been toxic no matter where he was coming from politically. And the issue that drove him to murderous rage was apparently Clearasil. (!?!)

[JWBear]

How many left wingers went on a rampage and killed cops after bush became president? How many right wingers have done so in the last month alone?

The lunatic far right fringe is angry, frustrated, and armed. Scary.

[JWBear]

John Wayne Gacy had aspirations of going into politics and worked with the Democratic township committeeman where he lived. I suppose I could dig more and find examples, just as anyone could about pretty much any group.

Dan White of the "twinkie defense" was a democrat city supervisor in San Francisco who murdered the mayor of San Francisco. Edited to add - Good lord - he killed Harvey Milk, too, didn't he? But I suppose just because he was a democrat doesn't mean he was a leftist....just like someone who was disturbed about Obama becoming President doesn't mean he voted for McCain or is even a right winger.

I could come up with probably hundreds just as anyone could about the right. Or any group.


Leo, neither of these are comparable. Show me someone on the left who has gone on a shooting spree in response to a general political climate that they do not agree with. Show me someone who went on a shooting spree over something they feared Bush was doing (whether or not their fear had any basis in fact).

[Motorboat Cruiser]

That's what happens when you use every opportunity to entice fear, and when you have people like Rep Michele Bachmann calling for armed revolution, is it any wonder that the loonies on the fringe think they are being given sound advice?

[Moonliner]

How many left wingers went on a rampage and killed cops after bush became president? How many right wingers have done so in the last month alone?

The lunatic far right fringe is angry, frustrated, and armed. Scary.

I'd blame that more on the current Economy than the current President.

[scaeagles]

Leo, neither of these are comparable. Show me someone on the left who has gone on a shooting spree in response to a general political climate that they do not agree with. Show me someone who went on a shooting spree over something they feared Bush was doing (whether or not their fear had any basis in fact).

I disagree that he went on a rampage due to the current political climate. That seems like but one cog in the wheel of his disturbed being. I think there are those who want it to be because of right wing paranoia to suit political purposes.

[Alex]

How many right wingers have done so in the last month alone?

Nothing in the article you linked to supports the idea that this guy did what he did because Obama was elected.

Near as I can tell there have been three mass killings of police officers since Obama was elected and in only one has an overt political reason been given.

So, at this point I'd suggest your premise is BS.

Looking at the spree killings in general in recent months the biggest connector to them all would appear to be having recently lost ones job.

[JWBear]

Nothing in the article you linked to supports the idea that this guy did what he did because Obama was elected.

An offense report filed against Cartwright the day he died outlines an angry husband who threatened his wife, kept guns and knives on hand, was "severely disturbed" that Barack Obama had been elected president, and believed the U.S. government was conspiring against him.


So, at this point I'd suggest your premise is BS.

As are your reading skills, obviously.

[Alex]

Ah never mind. Not worth getting into an extended argument over.

I consider your thesis unfounded (and your subject line intentionally baiting). I'm sure you return the favor by considering what you've said as thoroughly warranted despite a lack of connective tissue between the information in the article and your comments.

C'est la vie. Kay Sarah, Kay Sarah.

[flippyshark]

I agree that the premise, based on the scant information in the news report, is unfounded. If this guy was angry, armed, and believed the government was against him, I suspect he was unhinged well before Barack Obama was elected. That said election was an aggravating factor seems a reasonable conclusion, but did right-wing ideology drive an otherwise normal person to murderous lunacy? In this specific case, not enough information to go on, but I doubt it.

For what it's worth, I am acquainted with a (presently jailed) person who spouts disturbing radical right ideas now, but years ago, spouted radical left ideology, and has showed violent tendencies throughout his life.

I have a family full of Limbaugh-loving, Obama-distrusting, very right wing conservatives, and they are all open, warm, rational people who are just as horrified by such violence as I am. (And yes, they are sure that left wing ideology leads to nihilism, renunciation of rights, maybe even genocide. How my eyes roll.)

[JWBear]

Where did I say that everyone on the right is violent and unhinged? You're discounting my position by reading more into my words than what i'm saying.

There has been a dramatic increase in violent speech and action on the part of the unstable right fringe. People who are already unstable are lashing out violently. I believe that their frustration over the current political climate is a major factor.

[Kevy Baby]

Kay Sarah, Kay Sarah.I think I know her.

I consider your thesis unfounded (and your subject line intentionally baiting). I'm sure you return the favor by considering what you've said as thoroughly warranted despite a lack of connective tissue between the information in the article and your comments.I am with Alex on this one. The subject line is baiting and the OP has a history of making highly slanted posts about cons.

[Moonliner]

I think I know her.



Really? And how big of a tip did you give her?



(*sigh* It was killing me, I had to do something.....)

[Kevy Baby]

Really? And how big of a tip did you give her?Sadly, I haven't much to offer. :sigh:

[Cadaverous Pallor]

There has been a dramatic increase in violent speech and action on the part of the unstable right fringe. Would you like to link to more than one article to indicate a "dramatic increase"?

Alex won't say it but I will. Yes, this guy was upset over Obama. Does that make him a "disturbed right winger"? No, it makes him a right winger, but there are plenty out there who aren't disturbed.

The reason given for this rampage was "an argument over a tube of Clearasil." Does this make him a "disturbed right winger"? No, it makes him disturbed.

Just because he is disturbed AND a right winger doesn't mean they are connected or correllated in any way. He also likes Clearasil, does that mean this indicate a dramatic increase in acne-prone violence?

Alex's response is dead on.

I consider your thesis unfounded (and your subject line intentionally baiting). I'm sure you return the favor by considering what you've said as thoroughly warranted despite a lack of connective tissue between the information in the article and your comments.




ETA - the premise that liberals don't go insane and kill people is laughable.

[Not Afraid]

If the bad moods on this board don't go away soon, I'm going to be the liberal that goes insane and kills someone.

[Betty]

If the bad moods on this board don't go away soon, I'm going to be the liberal that goes insane and kills someone.

meh. Just let it pass. Like gas. It smells a bit at first but then it quickly dissapates and it's not a big deal. Unless it's really really bad gas...

[Alex]

If the bad moods on this board don't go away soon, I'm going to be the liberal that goes insane and kills someone.

How dare you make assumptions about my happiness level? Really, who do you think you are? I chuckle in the face of your assumptions.

[JWBear]

ETA - the premise that liberals don't go insane and kill people is laughable.

I agree completely. I wish people would stop putting those words in my mouth. :rolleyes:

[Kevy Baby]

meh. Just let it pass. Like gas. It smells a bit at first but then it quickly dissapates and it's not a big deal. Unless it's really really bad gas...You've obviously never ridden a iasw boat with a certain poster on this board :D

[Snowflake]

If the bad moods on this board don't go away soon, I'm going to be the liberal that goes insane and kills someone.

Quoted.for.posterity :snap: ;)

[scaeagles]

I agree completely. I wish people would stop putting those words in my mouth. :rolleyes:

I think it was ISM that said that, actually.

[Kevy Baby]

I think it was ISM that said that, actually.iSm is like Canada in a South Park movie

[JWBear]

But unlike Canada, he usually is to blame... ;)