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flippyshark
07-05-2009, 07:51 AM
This is just completely awful!

cast member dies in monorail crash (http://www.wesh.com/news/19955188/detail.html)

CoasterMatt
07-05-2009, 08:08 AM
Wow, that is just terrible. :(

Scrooge McSam
07-05-2009, 08:23 AM
I just can't understand this. MAPO shouldn't allow this. Even if Purple was in override, the pilot would have to continually keep the button depressed, else override would have been immediately cancelled.

So sad

CoasterMatt
07-05-2009, 08:26 AM
This is much more upsetting than any "celebrity" death, imo.

38 years without a fatal accident is a damned good safety record.

wolfy999
07-05-2009, 08:38 AM
Tragic....My heart goes out to everyone involved, especially the family of the boy who died.

Moonliner
07-05-2009, 08:42 AM
Tragic and somewhat reminiscent of the recent metro crash here in DC. The automatic breaking system failed due to a faulty sensor. :(

mousepod
07-05-2009, 10:07 AM
Wow. Such an upsetting story.

Morrigoon
07-05-2009, 11:23 AM
Wow.

Gn2Dlnd
07-05-2009, 11:59 AM
Pretty bad. There are, of course, a couple of threads going over at MiceChat with local news links. The photos that I've see only reveal damage to the trains themselves, no injuries. One post crash video in which you can hear a young girl become increasingly panicky, otherwise everyone seems extraordinarily calm.

DisneyDaniel
07-05-2009, 12:03 PM
My heart does go out to those involved.

Here is a link to WKMG Local6 TV Website which posted a video taken by a guest:
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19956043/index.html

Note: This scene of the accident video is a little unsettling. The video shows a cast member and guests peering into the collided monorail trying to see if the driver is OK.

Morrigoon
07-05-2009, 07:07 PM
The CMs in the station handled the incident very professionally, especially when you consider that they probably know the guy in the cabin.

Very upsetting.

Stan4dSteph
07-05-2009, 07:10 PM
Mark Goldhaber has a good summary of the information so far on his MousePlanet blog (http://mousepad.mouseplanet.com/blog.php?b=459). I was very sad to hear this news this morning.

innerSpaceman
07-05-2009, 09:12 PM
I trust the source that refers to this as coming from a trusted source.

It was about 2am, Sunday 5 July. The Magic Kingdom was open until 1am, so it was not unreasonable to keep the Epcot line running, though taking off a train might have been expected about this time.

Monorail Purple was in the TTC station on the Epcot beam, preparing to take one or two families back to their cars at Epcot. Monorail Pink was a short way around the loop, ready to back down the spur line that links the Epcot loop to the Express loop, as one would expect of a train returning to the shops.

Normally, cast in the Shop operate the two switchbeams, apply power to the spur line, then radio the operator on the platform at the TTC. They in turn make sure the Express platform is clear and ready to receive a train, and radio the train (Pink in this case) that they are clear to back into the station.

Apparently these instructions were given, but the switchbeam on the Epcot line had not been operated. Because this move over the spur isn't covered by the Mapo rolling block system, Pink was run under "Mapo Override" which limited speed to 15mph.

Backing around the Epcot loop instead of the spur, it collided with Purple at the station at about 15mph, crushing the end cabs of both trains, killing the pilot of Purple, and pushing Purple about 1/3 of it's length out the south end of the station.

There were no guests on Pink as it wasn't in service. One group of five guests were on Purple, waiting to return to their car at Epcot. The guests were uninjured and released from the scene promptly. The pilot of Pink needed Reedy Creek help to exit the cab, as he was four cars north of the platform. He was taken to hospital (probably for drug testing, as he was 200 feet from the point of contact).

Questions remain about why the switchbeams didn't operate, why a clearance was given and relayed, and why the pilot of Pink didn't notice he was on the wrong beam soon enough to stop.

Monorails at WDW are out of service until further notice. The Disneyland Monorail is operating only one train today, but may resume regular operation once the control system has been cleared as a cause.

flippyshark
07-05-2009, 09:56 PM
This account seems credible, though 15 mph seems slow for the level of damage that the collision did.

I wonder if this will end the practice of allowing guests to ride up in the cab.

Morrigoon
07-05-2009, 09:58 PM
Well, when you consider that the larger part of the nosecone is one ginormous plexiglass window, not so surprising

Stan4dSteph
07-06-2009, 06:20 AM
I wonder if this will end the practice of allowing guests to ride up in the cab.People were allowed to ride up front and in back at Disneyland yesterday.

Stan4dSteph
07-06-2009, 06:34 AM
I trust the source that refers to this as coming from a trusted source.Can you please give a link? Thanks.

wolfy999
07-06-2009, 06:37 AM
With only one Monorail running not much chance of an accident involving another train.

Cadaverous Pallor
07-06-2009, 07:31 AM
Can you please give a link? Thanks.I would assume that this trusted source wants to remain confidential.

At first I thought 15 mph seemed too slow but I figure these things aren't built with crumple zones in mind.

What an awful thing. I hadn't had any internet contact and a friend showed me a photo of the collision on his phone. Such a shocking image.

Stan4dSteph
07-07-2009, 06:54 AM
NTSB to probe crash of Disney monorail (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-disney_07jul07,0,3545685.story)- Chicago Tribune

The National Transportation Safety Board said Monday it will investigate the deadly collision on Walt Disney World's monorail, an unprecedented move by a federal agency best known for probing airline crashes.

Moonliner
07-07-2009, 06:57 AM
NTSB to prove crash of Disney monorail (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-disney_07jul07,0,3545685.story)- Chicago Tribune

I expect it will take them several weeks of close examination, oh and they'll need to bring their families with them of course.

Morrigoon
07-11-2009, 01:16 PM
The Orlando Sentinel posted a video of the driver that got killed, taken by a family who rode in the nosecone with him a couple weeks before the crash.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=5029407a-0f2d-4569-99ce-a7b43bbab685&src=front

Moonliner
07-11-2009, 01:24 PM
Is DLR still running a single train, and are they still allowing passengers in the nosecone?

wolfy999
07-11-2009, 03:19 PM
Single Train...yes, Nosecone passengers...yes.

Mousey Girl
07-11-2009, 09:00 PM
They had both Orange and Blue on Tuesday.

Morrigoon
07-12-2009, 01:49 AM
Saw passengers in the tailcone today

Moonliner
07-16-2009, 08:01 PM
Aww geeze, now two buses collided at WDW. (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99FR2RO0&show_article=1&catnum=1)

Minor injuries, no deaths but still....

Ghoulish Delight
07-16-2009, 08:03 PM
Does this mean the city of Anaheim's going to have to start running only 1 bus?

Moonliner
07-16-2009, 08:14 PM
Does this mean the city of Anaheim's going to have to start running only 1 bus?

No but it will mean just one parking tram. Plan accordingly.