Survivor Samoa start Sept 17 [Archive]

Mousey Girl

08-30-2009, 07:21 PM

I am still on the fence about the new season. The Boy wants to watch, so that means it will be on. The best thing about the earlier seasons is that real people seemedto be cast. Anymore, all we get are aspiring acotrs and models. Lots of plactic parts and L.A. people.

Ghoulish Delight

08-30-2009, 07:24 PM

You can keep Kelly.

scaeagles

08-30-2009, 07:25 PM

I don't know....there certainly is a lot of that, but I loved that Professor guy that won hisa couple seasons ago, and the guy from rural Alabama that won this last time, while certainly a good looking guy, wasn't Hollywood at all.

scaeagles

09-18-2009, 06:17 AM

I don't know if anyone watched....I think Russell could replace Johnny Fairplay as the most despised Survivor ever.

Ghoulish Delight

09-18-2009, 07:04 AM

At least Fairplay was amusing. Russell is just a worthless, mean, stupid human being.

scaeagles

09-18-2009, 07:05 AM

At least Fairplay was amusing. Russell is just a worthless, mean, stupid human being.

Completely agreed. Fairplay was a character, this guy is a piece of crap.

Stan4dSteph

09-18-2009, 07:07 AM

Oops, I missed it. Was watching Bones and Fringe instead.

Alex

09-18-2009, 08:39 AM

Don't watch Survivor but did click over the cast list in the first post.

scaeagles and I have different taste in women.

Ghoulish Delight

09-18-2009, 08:49 AM

I will now be rooting vehemently against anyone on Foa Foa from here to the end for 1) not voting Russel out and 2) voting the best looking girl on the cast out.

Betty

09-18-2009, 08:53 AM

Russel Russel Russel. I'm sure he'll be great for ratings. If he lasts until the end though they may beat the crap out of him at the reunion show!

Ghoulish Delight

09-18-2009, 09:09 AM

I almost liked Betsy (the police officer), with her excellent read on Russel, until all she could muster was "woman's intuition" as to why she didn't trust him. Lame.

Motorboat Cruiser

09-18-2009, 09:20 AM

I almost liked Betsy (the police officer), with her excellent read on Russel, until all she could muster was "woman's intuition" as to why she didn't trust him. Lame.

Agreed. I was hoping that she was convincing tribe members off camera that he was slime, so that we could have a nice surprise at the end. No such luck.

I'm all for the occasional villain, but the quicker Russell goes, the quicker I will be able to enjoy this season. Riles me up too much.

Betty

09-18-2009, 10:58 AM

I almost liked Betsy (the police officer), with her excellent read on Russel, until all she could muster was "woman's intuition" as to why she didn't trust him. Lame.

No kidding! But it's early - and he could railroad her just the same. There's being "right" and there's being a "target". Better to bid her time a bit and see how things play out. She's probably just happy she wasn't the first to go.

Moonliner

09-18-2009, 11:12 AM

Russell Russell, Russell...

How do despots come to power? I think we might get a microcosm view this season. Offers of protection to followers (ie the "dumb blond alliance"), swift retribution to enemies, Russell is starting off as quite the strongman.

Every individual on the tribe now knows that Marisa went home solely because she went against Russell. That will weigh into their future decisions and desires for self preservation.

I think I might go reread "Lord of the Flies"

Cadaverous Pallor

09-18-2009, 11:35 AM

Ugh, if he's still around after 3 shows I don't think I can continue to watch. Are the people around him really that stupid? I'll give them one show's worth, but after what he said at tribal, there is no way anyone with half a brain would be able to trust him. He is a freaking bull at challenges but some things are not worth the price.

I was shocked when people found their canteens empty and didn't try to figure out who drank (er, got rid of) their water. I'd be all over that sh.t. Here we are trying to survive and someone drank all the f'n water?? Who the FVCK drank my FVCKING water???

I know, I"d be the first voted out. But still, no one even bothered to investigate, even slightly?

Moonliner

09-18-2009, 11:49 AM

I know, I"d be the first voted out. But still, no one even bothered to investigate, even slightly?

That's hard to say for sure. Obviously what we are being shown has been selectively edited down to tell the story the producers want us to see at this point. There could easily been a massive inquiry among the tribe. All we know for sure that that Russell did not get caught dumping out all the water.

Also I think there was a somewhat matter of fact comment about "going to refill the canteens" so access to fresh water might not be a big deal at this time around.

Pirate Bill

09-21-2009, 08:23 AM

But still, no one even bothered to investigate, even slightly?

They're probably saving that for the clip show.

Disneyphile

09-21-2009, 10:04 AM

I hope Russell gets caught doing one of his antics, and then the tribe makes his life hell for 3 whole days until they can vote him out.

I'd burn the guy's entire bottom attire, not give him any food, and keep emptying his canteen.

I'd want him to the point that he's begging to be sent home and that those 3 days go by quickly.

mousepod

09-21-2009, 10:07 AM

Russell is such a villain that I find him interesting to watch. I always appreciate when someone has a game plan, no matter how extreme, and sticks to it. In the first half of the first episode, he's pushing the rules to the absolute limit. If he gets to the end, he'll deserve it. If he gets booted quickly, he'll deserve that, too.

scaeagles

09-25-2009, 07:55 AM

I don't know who is the worst....Russell, Yasmin, or Ben. At least Russell, as Mousepod notes, is interesting. Yasmin is just a b**** and Ben is just a wannabe thug.

Ghoulish Delight

09-25-2009, 07:59 AM

Agreed on Yasmin and Ben. There are a lot of people I don't like this season.

Looks like people start to get smart next week at least.

While Ben may be the first to have technically been "kicked out" of a challenge, I think Robb choking Clay was probably the real first of that category. He might not have been kicked out but if I recall correctly losing the point on the choke move ended the game, so he might as well have been.

Cadaverous Pallor

09-25-2009, 08:23 AM

Seems to me that Survivor only gets good later on when all the total nutjobs are finally out and it isn't nails on a chalkboard week after week....but that as the years go by, more and more of the castaways are total nutjobs, and it takes longer and longer for the decent people to get some screen time.

scaeagles

09-25-2009, 08:43 AM

That is true. I usually can't even keep people straight until there's 8-10 left.

Disneyphile

09-25-2009, 09:59 AM

Cadaverous Pallor

09-25-2009, 12:41 PM

I think they're totally setting up to do an All-Star "Heroes vs. Villians" season. They have enough contestants from each extreme now to make it a fun show. It'd be interesting to see all the bad kids together - Johnny Fairplay, Russell, etc. Just imagine what they'd do to each other. ;)Hmm, bad guys and loons all together would be quite a treat, and an alternative good guys and intelligent players team would actually mean screen time for smarts. :snap:

Moonliner

09-29-2009, 12:12 PM

Does anyone know the shooting schedule for Survivor? Could they still be in Samoa filming the next season? Cuz if they are they might have something new to deal with... (http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/29/earthquake-hits-near-samoa/)

Edited to add: Nope, they are on break. The next season will start filming in Oct and is located in:

The Cook Islands

will be

Season #20 - an all star edition

that includes

Russell

if

You can believe the Internet

Stan4dSteph

12-22-2009, 09:19 AM

Russell got screwed by a bunch of bitter people. He played an awesome game, no matter how much you hate him, he was a master manipulator. Too bad he missed that one last step and Natalie took advantage.

Looking forward to Heroes vs. Villains!

Ghoulish Delight

12-22-2009, 09:56 AM

Russell lost because he got arrogant and it showed through. He went too far. It's one thing to look at the jury and say, "I'm the best that's ever played this game and I should win," it's another thing to come at them with the attitude of, "I'm the best that's ever played this game, and you're all morons." I do think he was a brilliant player, but from the beginning his attitude was that not only was he a better player than everyone else, he was a better person than everyone else.

He lost, he therefore by definition was not the best player. Part of the game is making people on the jury WANT to vote for you, and nothing in the rules say that they are obligated to vote for the best strategic player. And as annoying as Eric is, I think he made a valid point. Who says that coat-tail riding is automatically a "bad strategy"? She picked the right person to latch onto, she did all the right things to make sure he would trust her and keep her around. Whatever gets you to the end is a valid strategy.

Ghoulish Delight

12-22-2009, 10:00 AM

And as bitter juries go, this one was nothing. That final tribal was probably the least bitter, petty, and whiny in the history of the game.

Moonliner

12-22-2009, 10:21 AM

Russell lost because he got arrogant and it showed through. He went too far. It's one thing to look at the jury and say, "I'm the best that's ever played this game and I should win," it's another thing to come at them with the attitude of, "I'm the best that's ever played this game, and you're all morons."

Yup, I would agree he lost it with his jury speech (or in the stuff we were never shown)

Still, Natalie? I think the mouse she smacked played a better game.

That $10,000 offer from Russel was weird. For ten grand you could paint me purple and have me say "I want Russel's love child" on National TV. How could you turn that down? TV people are weird.

Oh well, time to move on....

Here is the cast list for season 20:

http://www.homorazzi.com/article/survivor-20-cast-list-revealed-heroes-vs-villains-survivors-contestants/

Russel should have the advantage that no one knows his game. I wonder how well he knows past players.

It should be an interesting season if the Hero's don't decimate the villains in every challenge.

Ghoulish Delight

12-22-2009, 11:19 AM

That $10,000 offer from Russel was weird. For ten grand you could paint me purple and have me say "I want Russel's love child" on National TV. How could you turn that down? TV people are weird.

Well, she did JUST become $1,000,000 richer. In the face of that $10,000 (or even the $100,000 he later upped the offer to) isn't quite as tempting I'd imagine.

I don't really think he lost it in his final speech. I thought he played that as best as he could, really. "Out of the 3 of us, I did the most to ensure that you guys are sitting over there and I'm sitting over here." I think he lost it well before that with his overall attitude. I'm guessing that there was a lot more animosity towards him than was ever shown, just to keep things suspenseful so we didn't realize just how much people disliked him.

If anything in the last episode cost him, it was the lip service he paid to Brett about wanting to go up against the best player before voting him out. That was unnecessary and utterly transparent.

It should be an interesting season if the Hero's don't decimate the villains in every challenge.
Or if any of the heroes who lost previously decide they've learned their lessons and drop the hero game. Definite potential for topping the all-time most petty meltdowns (Lex, and then Ethan).

Betty

12-22-2009, 11:32 AM

I started out hating Russell but by the end of the season, he'd grown on me.

I wonder if he had some sort of outside bet that we was trying to win the with the $10,000 thing. Maybe his bet wasn't that he would win, but that Jeff would say that he was the sole survivor (or whatever it is he says).

Moonliner

12-22-2009, 11:39 AM

Well, she did JUST become $1,000,000 richer. In the face of that $10,000 (or even the $100,000 he later upped the offer to) isn't quite as tempting I'd imagine.

I know a lot of charities that might feel different about it. I don't care how much I just won I'd still take the offer. I missed that Russel upped the offer. I thought Jeff was just misquoting him when he cited $100k.

If anything in the last episode cost him, it was the lip service he paid to Brett about wanting to go up against the best player before voting him out. That was unnecessary and utterly transparent.

He had already gone up against Brett and beat him in the challenge. Game over. There was no need for the "Lip Service". It makes me wonder if the producers ask the players to answer questions like "Why might you keep Brett around?" to build suspense.

Moonliner

12-22-2009, 11:42 AM

Ghoulish Delight

12-22-2009, 12:07 PM

He had already gone up against Brett and beat him in the challenge. Game over. There was no need for the "Lip Service". It makes me wonder if the producers ask the players to answer questions like "Why might you keep Brett around?" to build suspense.I always wonder about all that. How many times have people just destroyed themselves with pedaintradontal (foot-in-mouth) crap at tribal? I know that if I were there, Jeff would hate me because every answer I'd give would be completely non-committal and boring. A whole lot of, "I'm basing my vote on what I think the correct decision is." It makes me wonder if, A) these people are really that bad at the game, B) the hunger and exhaustion really do make it hard to realize just how damaging their answers are before they spill out of their mouth, C) they're more interested in portraying a certain character for the audience so people will remember them than they are in winning the game, or D) it's in their contract that they will provide more than vagueries for answers at tribal council lest lose claim to any prize winnings. Because holy hell, how hard is it so say, "I'm not stupid Jeff, I'm not answering your question."

mousepod

12-22-2009, 12:36 PM

My understanding is that tribal council goes on for hours. At some point, I'm sure each person says something that can be used by the editors to create a good moment.

Ghoulish Delight

12-22-2009, 12:39 PM

Of course, what everyone seems to forget is...Natalie looks way better in her underwear than Russel does (in either hers, or his own). That's worth something.

Disneyphile

12-22-2009, 02:51 PM

I think they're totally setting up to do an All-Star "Heroes vs. Villians" season. They have enough contestants from each extreme now to make it a fun show. It'd be interesting to see all the bad kids together - Johnny Fairplay, Russell, etc. Just imagine what they'd do to each other. ;)I'd like to announce that I'll be opening my psychic hotline soon. :D

Frightening that I even nailed the title. And, I swear I had absolutely no inside info. :)

Ghoulish Delight

12-22-2009, 02:58 PM

Here is the cast list for season 20:

http://www.homorazzi.com/article/survivor-20-cast-list-revealed-heroes-vs-villains-survivors-contestants/

Russel should have the advantage that no one knows his game. I wonder how well he knows past players.

I finally clicked the link...

DAMNIT I thought I'd never have to listen to Coach again. Damnit damnit damnit damnit.

Damnit

Though, bless the producers for rightly putting him on the villains side. Hah!

My early picks (as in who I'll be rooting for, not who I think will win) are Cerie on the heroes side, Tyson on the villains.

Nephythys

12-22-2009, 03:33 PM

SQUEEEEEE RUPERT!!!!

Moonliner

12-22-2009, 04:58 PM

I finally clicked the link...

DAMNIT I thought I'd never have to listen to Coach again. Damnit damnit damnit damnit.

Damnit

Though, bless the producers for rightly putting him on the villains side. Hah!

My early picks (as in who I'll be rooting for, not who I think will win) are Cerie on the heroes side, Tyson on the villains.

I can't wait to hear Coach swapping stories with Russel. Russel will have to up his game from the silly Katrina/Lost Dog shtick if he wants to keep up with Coach and his captured by Amazonian pygmies routine.

scaeagles

12-29-2009, 09:22 AM

Watching the villians is going to be amazing! They are going to eat each other. I am a bit disappointed in one thing....

The preivews made it appear as if we'd have Richard Hatch (though I didn't know how that would be possible), Johnny Fairplay, and a few others....it also appeared as if the guys who fell in the fire once was getting a second shot. Would have liked him to have the opportunity.

Sigh.....guess I'll have to wait until Survivor 21 to try out. I seriously would love to do that show, but 6 weeks off the job might not work out really well. Maybe I'll ask my boss to see if there would even be a chance.