The Gay Thread

[innerSpaceman]

This is a thread for homosexuals only.



no, just kidding :p


This is a thread to discuss anything gay ... and let's try to keep it gay in every sense of the word ... especially that old, old, old school sense of happy and carefree. :)


I realize that, nowadays, some gay is tied up with politics like peanut butter in your chocolate. But let's do our best to keep the wrangling to the political threads in the Daily Grind or the Parking Lot.

Speaking of which, I know there's the long-running, very successful Gay thread in the Parking Lot, going by the long-since-appropriate name of "Post Prop 8 Fallout."


I guess I just think we can and should have a gay thread that doesn't belong in the Parking Lot. I hope so anyway.

The good news is, while we have both conservatives and progressives on the LoT, I don't think we have a single posting member who is anti-gay-rights or homophobic.

Cool. :cool:


It may turn out that the Post Prop 8 thread continues to get the bulk of gay action. It certainly wouldn't be any different from the real world if 'my' thread were to see a dearth of gay action. :rolleyes:


But I'm hoping for a better result than the Gay Apartheid thread. Let's try and keep it Gay! :cheers:



- :iSm:

[Gemini Cricket]

Keep it happy
Keep it snappy
Keep it gay!

[SzczerbiakManiac]

This thread is gay.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I interrupt this queer-fest just to say publicly what's been discussed a few times behind the scenes. The Post Prop H8 thread remains in the Parking LoT not because of any particular bad behavior there, but by virtue of the fact that it was started there and has existed there for over a year, thus people would have been posting with the expectation of their posts not being visible to the outside world. So we can't go dragging it into the light on the chance that someone posted something there that they would rather have not posted publicly.

You may continue now with your fagocity.

[Gemini Cricket]

No, you're a towel, GD!

[Morrigoon]

I changed my avatar in honor of Gay Days weekend :) Can't believe I found a Victorian fashion plate with what looks like women kissing on it...!

[blueerica]

I'm so un-gay at the moment... this must be fixed!

[Tref]

I pity any girl who isn't me to-night!

[JWBear]

Was this part of the agenda?

[innerSpaceman]

Didn't you get your mailer this month?

[JWBear]

I guess not. What other subversive activities are planned?

[3894]

Fine but there won't be anyone in this thread to discuss "Everybody Loves Raymond" reruns.

Don't say you weren't warned.

[Kevy Baby]

This is a thread to discuss anything gay ... and let's try to keep it gay in every sense of the word ... especially that old, old, old school sense of happy and carefree. :)Well, there is the Totally Serious Happy Thread (http://www.loungeoftomorrow.com/LoT/showthread.php?t=7640)

[lashbear]

Googie Gomez.

[Chernabog]

Googie Gomez.

I chhhhad a dring! A dring about joo, BABAYYYYY. Eets gun to come true BABAYYYYY!

[JWBear]

Joo thing I doan know what goes on in there; You men with your "Ha ha ha, ho ho ho, he he he"!

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Super Mega Visual Mojo for anyone mentioning The Ritz!!

[Betty]

The Ritz!!!

[Gemini Cricket]

I have to thank Al Lutz for introducing me to The Ritz.
:)

[innerSpaceman]

ok, i give up ... what's The Ritz??

[BarTopDancer]

crackers!

[Gn2Dlnd]

ok, i give up ... what's The Ritz??

The reason for a heretofore unannounced movie view at Chez BJBoglnd. Truly one of the funniest movies ever, and an anomaly as far as gay themed movies from the '70's go, i.e., no one want to commit suicide by the end! Figure out a night (Sun, Mon, Tues nights are out for me) and we'll have a "Gay Night at the Gay Movies!"

Bonus: Menchie's is in walking distance!

[SzczerbiakManiac]

ok, i give up ... what's The Ritz??DUDE!! :eek:

Right now. Go to your preferred DVD rental purveyor and get The Ritz. It was recently issued on DVD, so it shouldn't be hard to find.

It was originally a play (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ritz_%28play%29) by Terrence McNally produced on Broadway in 1975. Most of that cast reunited for the film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ritz_%28film%29) version a year later.

It's about a straight guy trying to escape from the mob who winds up in a gay (redundant?) bath house in New York. It's very silly and may be unintentionally dark as this was all pre-AIDS. But I'm telling you, Rita Moreno as Googie Gomez, an aspiring actress constantly on the lookout for a producer, is worth the price of admission 10 times over.

If you do not see this film soon, you will be forced to give up your gay card. I have the DVD, come over if you want to watch it with me.

[JWBear]

Plus it has a very young Treat Williams; who spends most of the film in nothing but a towel!

[JWBear]

I used to hang with a group of friends who had regular campy gay movie nights. I miss that.

[Gemini Cricket]

Plus it has a very young Treat Williams; who spends most of the film in nothing but a towel!
I love Treat Williams (http://www.towleroad.com/2008/02/a-young-treat-w.html)... even though he was in the movie version of Hair. He's yummy.

[JWBear]

I love Treat Williams (http://www.towleroad.com/2008/02/a-young-treat-w.html)... even though he was in the movie version of Hair. He's yummy.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1090/631452953_fb4fefd223.jpg

[JWBear]

I <heart> Googie.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/129/392329137_28fcaff34a.jpg

[lashbear]

You think I'm a drag queen??? These are real titties !!

[SzczerbiakManiac]

iSm, you may not watch this clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBr2mR91RbQ) until after you have seen the whole movie (The Ritz), but holy crap, I've seen it dozens of times and it brings me to tears with laughter every single time!

[SzczerbiakManiac]

from OutSports (http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2009/10/06/gym-sportsbar-opens-in-los-angeles/)
Oct 6th, 2009
by Cyd Zeigler Jr.

Gym Sportsbar in West Hollywood (http://www.gymsportsbar.com/lahome.html) opened Friday night to a packed house: When the doors opened to the general public at 9pm, the bar was already at capacity. The bar itself has a very different feel from the New York establishment: It’s newer and sleaker; Instead of the brick of New York, it features a really cool basketball-covered wall; Blues and greys replace New York’s reds and browns. The space itself is a little on the small side, but a large patio gives them a lot more room. The crowd was very similar to the New York bar’s crowd: Racially mixed, skewing slightly older than the usual West Hollywood crowd. Cheer Los Angeles even came out to show their support!

When I went back Sunday night to watch the Chargers-Steelers game, the bar was again crowded. Lots of Chargers (and a couple Steelers) jerseys adorned the crowd. I even saw our very own Maddog, whom I hadn’t met before, in his blue-and-gold. One of the owners told me they had a great weekend, which was encouraging to hear: I don’t want my new favorite bar to [sic] anywhere anytime soon!If Wally ever plays again, I'll have to go watch Him there.

[innerSpaceman]

Sorry, but in my book - - if you like sports, you're faux gay.

[Strangler Lewis]

Sorry, but in my book - - if you like sports, you're faux gay.

How about him? (http://www.stevekluger.com/BIO.html)

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Sorry, but in my book - - if you like sports, you're faux gay.You're entitled to your opinion, but I respectfully and vehemently disagree. And so do these folks:
LA Blades (http://www.bladeshockey.com/) (hockey)
Gay Sports.com (http://www.gaysports.com/)
Gay.com Sports Blog (http://sports.gay.com/)
Washington's Gay Sports Connection (http://www.teamdc.org/)
Atlanta Gay Sports Alliance (http://www.atlantagaysports.com/)
Greater Los Angeles Sports Association (http://www.glasasoftball.org/)
West Hollywood Aquatics (http://www.wh2o.org/)
San Francisco Fog Rugby Football Club (http://www.sffog.org/)
Mark Bingham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Bingham) (9/11 hero and rugby player)
National Gay Basketball Association (http://www.ngbaus.com/)
Boston Lobsters (http://www.bostonpridehockey.org/) (hockey)
Golden Gate Wrestling Club (http://www.ggwc.org/)
New York Ramblers Soccer Club (http://www.newyorkramblers.org/)
North American Gay Amateur Athletic Alliance (http://www.nagaaasoftball.org/)
Colorado Gay Ice Hockey Association (http://www.cgiha.org/Pages/default.htm)
San Francisco Gay Basketball Association (http://www.sfgba.com/)
Federation of Gay Games (http://www.gaygames.com/en/)
Matthew Mitcham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Mitcham)
World Out Games (http://www.copenhagen2009.org/)
International Gay Bowling Organization (http://www.igbo.org/)
San Francisco Spikes (http://www.sfspikes.com/) (soccer)
Metro Wrestling (http://www.metrowrestling.org/)
Los Angeles Rebellion (http://www.larebellion.org/) (rugby)
LA Motion (http://lamotion.blogspot.com/) (flag football)
Chicago Metropolitan Sports Association (http://www.chicagomsa.org/cmsa/)
I could go on....

And no, it's not just to oogle the hot athletes. (though that is also enjoyable)

[innerSpaceman]

Nope, I don't care how many of them profess a love for sports. They're not real gays. :p



Kinda reminds me of this old yoke Isaac relayed to me yesterday:


There's two kinds of gays in this world:



bottoms ....



















... and liars.




;)


:iSm:

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Amusing, but physically impossible if you think about it hard enough. ;)

[Morrigoon]

I went through training at Midwest Express with a guy who put it this way: He's a guy who likes to suck d!ck, but he's still a GUY.

[innerSpaceman]

Amusing, but physically impossible if you think about it hard enough. ;)

Not necessarily so.

Naturally, this is not a rationale I subscribe to - - but among men of certain cultures (*cough*LatinAmericans*cough*Arabs*cough*cough), as long as you are the "top" in a sexual escapade with another man, you are completely straight!



Bottoms = gay

Tops = straight



fixed!

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Aaaah, I get it now.


Well, I'm not getting it, but I understand.

[innerSpaceman]

The two concepts were not originally connected. I put them together just now to find a twisted rationalization for the truth in that earlier joke.



Of course, the joke can't literally be true. But I grok the truth in its sentiment.

[JWBear]

Sorry, but in my book - - if you like sports, you're faux gay.

What about lesbians?

I am a gay man who is completely, stereotypically, disinterested in sports. If you ever want to help me if I come down with insomnia, just turn on a game. I'll be out in minutes. They're like chloroform for me.

However, I accept that there are plenty of my fellow 'mos who do enjoy sports. I'll just be somewhere else when they do.

[innerSpaceman]

Hmmm, maybe the kernal for me is you can certainly be homosexual if you're into sports.

You just can't be gay.





And by that I mean gay in the way that I am jewish. It's a cultural thing.





A word with more than one meaning. It even means happy! :)

[Gemini Cricket]

I like sports. The tighter the uniforms (or the lack of them) the better. That's why (to the chagrin of Ms. BarTopDancer) I'm kinda meh about ice hockey.

[JWBear]

Hmmm, maybe the kernal for me is you can certainly be homosexual if you're into sports.

You just can't be gay.





And by that I mean gay in the way that I am jewish. It's a cultural thing.





A word with more than one meaning. It even means happy! :)


I don't agree with that either. I've known some extremely nelly queens that enjoyed sports.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Yeah, go ahead and argue that GC isn't gay.

[Gemini Cricket]

Yeah, go ahead and argue that GC isn't gay.
I'm so gay that if I was yogurt I'd have fruit at the bottom.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Yeah, go ahead and argue that GC isn't gay.Where does that place me? (I'm genuinely curious to see where you guys place me on the spectrum.)

I'm so gay that if I was yogurt I'd have fruit at the bottom.Which I guess means you're not a liar. ;)

[JWBear]

Where does that place me? (I'm genuinely curious to see where you guys place me on the spectrum.)

Oh, you are sooooo Teh Gay!

[innerSpaceman]

I don't doubt there are flamers who are rabid sports fans.


But, stereotypical or not, I'd say they run counter to the age-old culture that features such vast but oft true generalizations as Likes Showtunes, Hates Sports.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Where does that place me? (I'Depends...do you smoke (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/new_anti_smoking_ads_warn_teens)?

[Morrigoon]

I like sports. The tighter the uniforms (or the lack of them) the better. That's why (to the chagrin of Ms. BarTopDancer) I'm kinda meh about ice hockey.

Oh honey, if you could see the hockey players beneath those pads, you'd be a fan! Mmmrowr!

[Gemini Cricket]

Oh honey, if you could see the hockey players beneath those pads, you'd be a fan! Mmmrowr!
Seeing is believing. I think Goonie and I should sneak into the locker rooms of hockey players. Do they have locker rooms? Or do they sit in igloos during half time? Does hockey have a half time?

[Morrigoon]

Oh hell honey, I used to work at the Kings' training center

[Gemini Cricket]

Oh hell honey, I used to work at the Kings' training center
Jebus! Where's the thread with all the shirtless photos?
:D

[JWBear]

Jebus! Where's the thread with all the shirtless photos?
:D

I don't know. Why don't you start one! :evil:

[Gemini Cricket]

I don't know. Why don't you start one! :evil:
I've done that here before, I think. Or it could have been on MC. I forget.
:)

[Morrigoon]

Just for you (http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gallery/hockey_paintings?pg=5)

This ain't bad either if you're into legs (http://loge19.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/locker-room.jpg)

[lashbear]

Oh hell honey, I used to work at the Kings' training center

Jebus! Where's the thread with all the shirtless photos?
:D

Just for you (http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/gallery/hockey_paintings?pg=5)

This ain't bad either if you're into legs (http://loge19.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/locker-room.jpg)
What ?!?!?!?! None of Alex ? :evil:

[Morrigoon]

What ?!?!?!?! None of Alex ? :evil:

Not my style, but whatever floats your kinky Russian-loving boat, Lashie ;) (http://onfrozenblog.com/2008/07/24/that-other-russian-competing-this-summer.html)

[lashbear]

Tease !!

[Strangler Lewis]

Of some curious interest, Sean Avery, the most hated--and, supposedly, crudely, rudely straight--player in the NHL, is studying to be a fashion designer.

[JWBear]

And that's gay... why?

[Strangler Lewis]

Of some curious interest, Sean Avery, the most hated--and, supposedly, crudely, rudely straight--player in the NHL, is studying to be a fashion designer.

And that's gay... why?

Oh, dear.

Response No. 1:

F***, I don't know. (http://fashionindie.com/stuff-fashion-people-like-21-gay-fashion-designers/)

Response No. 2 (pissy subcategory):

Because much female fashion design reflects profound hatred of women.


Seriously, folks, if, generalization-wise, this thread is going to be one of those "only black people can say n*****" threads, you should have posted a sign on the door.

I will . . . withdraw.

[Kevy Baby]

I'm with SL on this one

[Kevy Baby]

What ?!?!?!?! None of Alex ? :evil:


Not my style, but whatever floats your kinky Russian-loving boat, Lashie ;) (http://onfrozenblog.com/2008/07/24/that-other-russian-competing-this-summer.html)No silly, he meant THIS Alex (http://www.history.com/minisite.do?content_type=Minisite_Generic&content_type_id=59076&display_order=1&sub_display_order=2&mini_id=54692).

[JWBear]

Oh, dear.

Response No. 1:

F***, I don't know. (http://fashionindie.com/stuff-fashion-people-like-21-gay-fashion-designers/)

Response No. 2 (pissy subcategory):

Because much female fashion design reflects profound hatred of women.


Seriously, folks, if, generalization-wise, this thread is going to be one of those "only black people can say n*****" threads, you should have posted a sign on the door.

I will . . . withdraw.

I'm with SL on this one

Sorry, I just don't see what a straight fashion designer wanna-be has to do with being gay.

As for the rest of SL's rant... WTF?!?

[BarTopDancer]

I like sports. The tighter the uniforms (or the lack of them) the better. That's why (to the chagrin of Ms. BarTopDancer) I'm kinda meh about ice hockey.

Ya gotta go on the last home game of the season. They take their jersey's off on the ice.

One of my hockey buddies is gay. Some of you have met him.

[BarTopDancer]

Of some curious interest, Sean Avery, the most hated--and, supposedly, crudely, rudely straight--player in the NHL, is studying to be a fashion designer.

Avery is a douchebag. The worst thing the Rangers did was pick him up after the Stars cut him loose. And there has been speculation for years that he is gay. This studying fashion isn't making this a new revelation.

Seriously, folks, if, generalization-wise, this thread is going to be one of those "only black people can say n*****" threads, you should have posted a sign on the door.

I will . . . withdraw.

The gay thread has turned into a hockey thread! Don't leave! ;)

[innerSpaceman]

Nope, I'm turning it back into a gay thread.


It seems a ripe topic of discussion to consider gay stereotypes and whether to embrace them, acknowledge them with dignity and humor, or work against them.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

hockey players. Do they have locker rooms? Or do they sit in igloos during half time? Does hockey have a half time?Hockey players definitely have locker rooms and you really don't want to physically enter one (just look in from outside) because they REEEEEEK. All that passing they wear absorbs sweat and then it ferments. I realize no locker room smells like fresh flowers, but hockey "wins" the stink contest, sticks down.

Hockey games are played in three 20-minute periods. NHL teams get 15 minutes between periods where they can go to their locker rooms and make out with each other.*

Luc Robitaille was hot. A lot of The Blades (http://www.bladeshockey.com/photos.htm) are hot. There's that's hockey and gay! :)


*Part of that paragraph may be just a fantasy of mine.

[innerSpaceman]

Hockey games are played in three 20-minute periods. NHL teams get 15 minutes between periods where they can go to their locker rooms and make out with each other.

Is that where they got the term "Tonsil Hockey?"

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Yes, yes it is.

[SacTown Chronic]

Sean Avery is in the business of drawing attention to Sean Avery. He's the Barry Zito of hockey.




Barry Zito is as gay as Easter, btw.

[BarTopDancer]

Sean Avery deserves to be flattened into a pancake on the ice. I am so thrilled that the officials seem to finally have his number.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

A sign seen at the march yesterday
http://www.advocate.com/uploadedImages/ADVOCATE/NEWS/2009/200910/2009-10-11/gatewood02X560.jpg

[Morrigoon]

I've found that if you spray down your equipment with Lysol after every game, and air it out for at least a day, you can keep the stink factor WAY down.

[Strangler Lewis]

I've found that if you spray down your equipment with Lysol after every game, and air it out for at least a day, you can keep the stink factor WAY down.

I don't know what kind of games we're talking about, but I will NOT be spraying my equipment with Lysol.

Airing it out sounds pleasant, though of questionable legality.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

All that passing they wear absorbs sweat and then it ferments.BAH!
I meant "padding", just in case it wasn't obvious.
<slaps forehead>

[alphabassettgrrl]

Sorry, but in my book - - if you like sports, you're faux gay.

What about lesbians?

I love sports- at least hockey and football, anyway. Never quite got basketball or baseball.

Of some curious interest, Sean Avery, the most hated--and, supposedly, crudely, rudely straight--player in the NHL, is studying to be a fashion designer.

Fascinating.

Avery is a douchebag. ...snip... And there has been speculation for years that he is gay.

Really? Huh. You're right that he's a douchebag.


It seems a ripe topic of discussion to consider gay stereotypes and whether to embrace them, acknowledge them with dignity and humor, or work against them.

Hmm.... I have arguments for both sides....

[innerSpaceman]

Judge Walker hands a cool hand rebuke to the lawyers for Prop 8 in the now famous Olson/Bois-helmed federal case headed for the U.S. Supreme Court some day.

The Judge wants the case on a fast track to public trial in January, and has ordered the Prop 8ers to produce their inner campaign documents, to see if Prop 8 was motivated by animus toward homosexuals. While the Prop 8ers appeal that order, they made another delaying tactic by moving that the matter be decided without a trial. Huh? The hearing on that motion was today, and Judge Walker handed them the smackdown.

As reported by Legal Pad:

"We can't put very much stock in that case, can we?" Walker asked Cooper. The ruling in Baker v. Nelson had not been a considered opinion, Walker said, but rather issued without comment. Plus it was old, he said, and the facts weren't the same.

Same-sex-marriage attorney Theodore Olson of Gibson Dunn & Crutcher was quick to reinforce Walker's doubts.

"The points you made in your questions are points I would make," Olson said.

Beyond outright dismissal, Walker is also about [to] make the consequential decision about which standard of review will apply during the January trial. And while he didn't give a clear indication of his leanings this morning, he did a good job of demonstrating the stakes.

Prop 8 defenders think a rational basis should prevail, while same sex marriage advocates argue for stricter level of scrutiny. Cooper rested much of his argument on the notion that the state has a rational basis to promote opposite sex marriages, in order to further procreation.

At one point, though, Walker posited a hypothetical: assuming he agrees with Cooper on that point, how does permitting same sex couples to marry adversely affect that interest?

After some back and forth, Cooper eventually conceded: "The answer is, I don't know. I don't know."

"Does that mean if it's not rational basis review, you lose?" Walker asked.

"No."

"You just haven't figured out how to win on that level," the chief judge surmised.

Nailed. Tee and Hee. :iSm:

[SzczerbiakManiac]

The Judge wants <snip> to see if Prop 8 was motivated by animus toward homosexuals.There is some question that it was not? <boggle>

[SzczerbiakManiac]

No Homo (http://current.com/items/91120515_thats-gay-no-homo.htm?xid=55): the ultimate phrase!
not 100% work safe (language)

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Jeff Stryker sings in an 80s music video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SxocH1ZS98). (work safe)

Anyone know what porn this was featured in? (I do not.)

[JWBear]

Jeff Stryker sings in an 80s music video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SxocH1ZS98). (work safe)

Anyone know what porn this was featured in? (I do not.)

Bigger Than Life (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0205775/) (At lease that's what it says in the description on the page you linked to.)

[Kevy Baby]

Bigger Than Life (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0205775/) (At lease that's what it says in the description on the page you linked to.)That's your story and you're sticking to it!

[JWBear]

That's your story and you're sticking to it!

Yep! :D

[lashbear]

Hehehehe - I remember that there was a group who organised a GayDay at Australia's Wonderland, and they had Jeff Stryker all set to fly in and perform at the party (singing, I would think, but you never know...)

Anyhoo, it turns out that someone tipped the park owners off as to Mr Stryker's profession, and the party was pulled faster than a straight man in a video arcade.

Pity. I was looking forward to seeing him in real life - they say he's really short. That's what makes..... er, that other thing... look larger than life.

[innerSpaceman]

Yep, always worked for me. In truth, my package isn't all that alarming ... bur forced perspective has always left partners with a favorable impression.

[lashbear]

So that's who gave the Imagineers the idea....

[Kevy Baby]

Pity. I was looking forward to seeing him in real life - they say he's really short.According to IMDb, he is 5' 9-1/2" (1.77 m).

I saw him interviewed on an HBO show. I have learned the definition of smarmy.

[lashbear]

[Mae West] So, let's forget the 5 feet and talk about those 9 1/2 Inches [/Mae West]

[Gemini Cricket]

I missed this one. It's kinda funny.

SNL: Leonidas Ends DADT in Sparta (http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/10/19/Gerard_Bulter_Ends_DADT_in_Sparta/)

:D

[Stan4dSteph]

NYC has a Big Gay Ice Cream Truck (http://www.biggayicecreamtruck.com/)

[lashbear]

Gay version of the Scary Car Ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBeiz9frGLQ&feature=related) :D

Trust me, you can take it. ;)

[SzczerbiakManiac]

American Airlines Receives the LA G&L Center's Corporate Vision Award (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIF52R2LZWM)

[mousepod]

Has anyone seen the new Girls' video "Lust For Life" (http://www.mbvmusic.com/2009/10/27/video-girls-lust-for-life-hardcore-xxx-edit/17579)? Not only is it a great song, but it's the gayest video I've seen in a while. And it's definitely NSFW.

[innerSpaceman]

I watched it at work anyway.



What's not safe?











;)

[Gemini Cricket]

Has anyone seen the new Girls' video "Lust For Life" (http://www.mbvmusic.com/2009/10/27/video-girls-lust-for-life-hardcore-xxx-edit/17579)? Not only is it a great song, but it's the gayest video I've seen in a while. And it's definitely NSFW.
I likes it.
:)

[innerSpaceman]

Yes, we know that about You.

[Gemini Cricket]

Obama Signs Hate Crimes Act Into Law (http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/10/28/Obama_Signs_Hate_Crimes/)

[cirquelover]

It's about time! Although I'd asumed it was already a law. I guess we just have a state law here but I know I've seen people tried for hate crimes here in Oregon. It should be Federal too, I just thought it already was.

[Nephythys]

Gotta disagree-

A crime is a crime- no matter the motivation. A straight white male who loses his life has lost as much and their family has lost as much as a latino gay male.

It's unequal and punishes thought- when it should just punish the crime- no matter who the victim.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Unfortunately, "should" just isn't enough sometimes. Here's a fun fact:
States that required mandatory reporting of elder abuse cases investigated more of these complaints than did other states. If the states also imposed penalties for failure to report elder abuse, the investigation rate was even higher. Read the full article, "Differences in State Laws Affect Elder Abuse Reporting" here (http://www.elder-abuse-information.com/news/news_122403_abuse_reports.htm).

But hey, protesting hate crime legislation could become the next teabag revolution. Have fun storming the castle!

[Strangler Lewis]

If you rob an old lady or abuse a position of trust to embezzle money or molest a kid, or if you associate with a gang that prompts you to commit a robbery, you're going to get a higher sentence than someone else who commits similar crimes. There is nothing wrong with identifying behavior or beliefs that carry with them a higher potential for believing that criminal activity is justifiable or can be gotten away with and then punishing the yielding to those temptations more severely as a means to deter others.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

I agree with Nephythys. Hate Crime legislation is inappropriate. If I'm getting my head bashed in, it doesn't hurt any more or less based on the internal monolog of my attacker. Crime is crime, murder is murder. If you want to increase punishments for violent crimes, do it across the board.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

and now for something completely different...

Coming Soon: "Sugar Daddy Ken (http://www.advocate.com/Arts_and_Entertainment/Entertainment_News/Coming-Soon__Sugar_Daddy_Ken_Doll/)" Doll. :eek:

Is Mattel finally admitting Ken is a mo?

[Strangler Lewis]

I think that's fake. I can't find any legit Mattel news on it.

[innerSpaceman]

I see both sides of the hate crime debate. Sure, for the victim and their loved ones, a crime of violence is the same no matter what the motivation.

But for the larger community routinely targeted by violence, or a community of criminals prone to serial acts of violence - enhanced punishments are, imo, justified as a deterrent - - even though I think deterrents like that rarely deter.

Hate crimes are, in addition, a form of terrorism that impacts with fear the larger targeted community just as it impacts the actual victim with physical harm or death. When your target is more than just your victim, the punishment should be more than just that for the assault on the victim.

When James Byrd was dragged to his death behind a car, the purpose of that crime was to strike fear in the hearts of all black men. When Matthew Shepard was left beaten on a fencepost to die, it was because he was gay -- not because he was Matthew Shepard ... and therefore likely struck fear into the hearts of countless homosexuals.

These are the single victims for whom the Hate Crimes legislation was named. They were not the only victims of their respective crimes. More victims, more punishment.




So Sayeth I. :D

[SzczerbiakManiac]

If I thought strong hate crime legislation would be a deterrent, I'd support it. But it's not a deterrent. You could mandate the Death Penalty for gay-bashing but that's not going to stop BillyBob from going out on Friday night for the express purpose of "killin' me wunna them faggots."

[innerSpaceman]

Fine, then I want BillyBob punished more for targeting fags than for targeting someone in particular. "Fags" is more than one victim, and Sasha just happened to be the one he chose that night. I have no problem feeling that if BillyBob wants to beat up fags, Sasha will be first ... and Remington will be next.


Similarly, and perhaps I reveal my bias here - - I want Malike who shot and paralyzed my nephew to be punished MORE because he was in a gang and just decided to shoot into a crowd of school kids at a bus stop. His intended victim was Paul AND OTHERS. And I have no problem feeling that if Malike is willing to shoot random strangers for his gang ... Sam will be next.

[JWBear]

Hate crimes are usually not random. It's simply not the same as your run-of-the-mill mugging or robbery. They are motivated solely by hatred of a particular group (or groups). The victims are targeted specifically due to their (actual or perceived) membership in a particular class. The violence is more horrific in these types of crimes.

The purpose of hate crimes laws is not to say that members of the protected classes are some how “special”, and that random crimes against them are somehow worse. The laws are a statement by society that it will no longer tolerate violence that is directed specifically towards a certain group - violence that is motivated by hatred.

[innerSpaceman]

I will counter that violence motivated by hatred is no more vile than violence motivated by greed or revenge or desperation. And certainly a single. non-protected class person can be murdered by virtue of hatred.


But I do think it's within society's purview to say Attempt to Hurt One of Us, Go to Jail for 20 Years; Attempt to Hurt a Hundred of Us, Go to Jail for 50.

[Gemini Cricket]

Hate crimes can be random in that someone is randomly targeted for being black or having a swish in his walk. But, no it's not like someone is just punched in the face because she's carrying a purse.

I just posted this on my FB page but the attack is meant to be a message to an entire group of people. It's like a terrorist attack. (I know, I hate using that word "terrorist". It's been watered down in the media to represent just about anyone now.)

[Strangler Lewis]

I will counter that violence motivated by hatred is no more vile than violence motivated by greed or revenge or desperation. And certainly a single. non-protected class person can be murdered by virtue of hatred.


But I do think it's within society's purview to say Attempt to Hurt One of Us, Go to Jail for 20 Years; Attempt to Hurt a Hundred of Us, Go to Jail for 50.

Murder for financial gain makes you death eligible. The other ones don't unless you mix in a little torture or extra heinousness.

[Nephythys]

Hate crimes are usually not random. It's simply not the same as your run-of-the-mill mugging or robbery. They are motivated solely by hatred of a particular group (or groups). The victims are targeted specifically due to their (actual or perceived) membership in a particular class. The violence is more horrific in these types of crimes.

Really?

A woman who is white and straight and is raped and her throat slashed and her body beaten is LESS horrific than a gay man who is raped and has his throat slashed and body beaten?

A man who sets out to kill a woman is not random.

I'm sorry but that is absurd and wrong.

All violent crime requires hatred and anger-it should not matter what the thinking was or the "membership" of a group of people.

A murdered gay man did not suffer more agony and fear than the murdered woman-his family does not feel more pain and loss.

Hate crime laws create different classes of victims- it's wrong.

Prosecute the crime equally- no matter the motivation. Someone who gets punished for a "hate crime" should not do more jail time than someone who did not- they should do the same.

We can not and should not attempt to prosecute THOUGHT.

Equality-
Marriage
Serving in the Armed Services

Equal-and the process and punishment for violent crimes against anyone should be equal too.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Prosecute the crime equally- no matter the motivation. Someone who gets punished for a "hate crime" should
Are you against distinctions between murder 1, murder 2, manslaughter, etc.?

eta: asked because those are crimes that carry vastly different punishments, based only on the distinction of motive.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I should add that how much the victim or family suffered is somewhat irrelevant to the debate. Criminal justice isn't, and shouldn't be about retribution, or an attempt to assuage the hurt the victim/victim's family feels. This has been shown time and again with regards, specifically, to the death penalty. Very very very few people have, in the long run, said that once a killer is put to death, that they somehow feel vindicated or relieved.

Criminal justice should is about A) punishing the criminal and B) maintaining societal order. An argument can be made (I should mention here that I'm of two minds regarding hate crime legislation) that people who commit violent crimes based on bigoted motives are people who are more likely to commit another violent crime in the future. The thought being that, since their animosity is directed at an entire GROUP of people, rather than some individual grudge, they pose a larger threat and should therefore be kept out of society longer. It's not about making the victim feel better, it's about discouraging and preventing future incidents as much as possible.

I don't know that there's any evidence that such legislation is effective in that aim, but there is some logic there that I can follow, so I'm not ready to entirely dismiss it as a useful tool for long term dampening of the ugly bit of American culture that is literal gay bashing.

[innerSpaceman]

Really? ...

A murdered gay man did not suffer more agony and fear than the murdered woman-his family does not feel more pain and loss.

So what about the fear I felt when Matthew Shepard was murdered vs. the totally didn't feel a thing when Matilda Himmelfarb was murdered.

Never heard of Matilda Himmelfarb? Exactly.

Matilda was murdered for her money. Matthew was murdered because he was gay. I suppose "hate crimes" is a poor term because, you are right, almost all crimes have an element of hatred. And Gemini Cricket is right that terrorism has been too watered down, but that's why the punishments are enhanced. Because what we are calling "hate crimes" are literally terrorism.

[Nephythys]

Are you against distinctions between murder 1, murder 2, manslaughter, etc.?

eta: asked because those are crimes that carry vastly different punishments, based only on the distinction of motive.

It would be interesting to look at what defines those more distinctly-

Like- a drunk driver may be charged with man slaughter instead of murder. They did not set out to kill.

A crime of passion where someone is killed vs. a plotted hit.

But of ALL of those distinctions-it doesn't matter to me if the victim is gay, straight, black, white.....the victims are equal.

[Nephythys]

So what about the fear I felt when Matthew Shepard was murdered vs. the totally didn't feel a thing when Matilda Himmelfarb was murdered.

Never heard of Matilda Himmelfarb? Exactly.

Matilda was murdered for her money. Matthew was murdered because he was gay. I suppose "hate crimes" is a poor term because, you are right, almost all crimes have an element of hatred. And Gemini Cricket is right that terrorism has been too watered down, but that's why the punishments are enhanced. Because what we are calling "hate crimes" are literally terrorism.

We can all feel fear of some sort of crime-

Maybe women are more impacted by fear of rape and murder.
Mothers may fear someone killing their children.

We may feel impact and fear based on our similarities to a victim-but punishment should not be meted out based on the fear impact on others- it should be based on the crime.

[Ghoulish Delight]

But of ALL of those distinctions-it doesn't matter to me if the victim is gay, straight, black, white.....the victims are equal.Perhaps not, but we as a society are already perfectly okay with creating different levels of punishment based solely on motive. By your earlier logic, if I shoot someone in the head, my punishment should be no different if I did it because he's some stranger that spilled my beer at a bar and I happened to have my gun on me than if I spent months plotting to kill someone because they hit on my wife once. The actual act is the same, different punishments would amount to punishing thought, no?

Like I said, I don't necessarily think that hate crime legislation is an effective thing to do, but "we can't punish motive because that's being thought-police" isn't a argument against it that holds much water because, well, we already do that with no objection.

We can all feel fear of some sort of crime-

Maybe women are more impacted by fear of rape and murder.
Mothers may fear someone killing their children.
Which is why rape carries a stiffer penalty than simple assault. Crimes against children can carry larger penalties than crimes against adults. Domestic violence stronger penalties than punching a guy at a bar. We already have many dividing lines where, as a society, we feel it necessary to make a point of discouraging specific behavior.

[Kevy Baby]

Read the full article, "Differences in State Laws Affect Elder Abuse Reporting"Why is everybody always picking on me?

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Why is everybody always picking on me?Do you really want to know?

[JWBear]

Perhaps not, but we as a society are already perfectly okay with creating different levels of punishment based solely on motive. By your earlier logic, if I shoot someone in the head, my punishment should be no different if I did it because he's some stranger that spilled my beer at a bar and I happened to have my gun on me than if I spent months plotting to kill someone because they hit on my wife once. The actual act is the same, different punishments would amount to punishing thought, no?

Like I said, I don't necessarily think that hate crime legislation is an effective thing to do, but "we can't punish motive because that's being thought-police" isn't a argument against it that holds much water because, well, we already do that with no objection.

Which is why rape carries a stiffer penalty than simple assault. Crimes against children can carry larger penalties than crimes against adults. Domestic violence stronger penalties than punching a guy at a bar. We already have many dividing lines where, as a society, we feel it necessary to make a point of discouraging specific behavior.

Thank you GD. You made the exact same points I wanted to make last night, but couldn't (sick computer).

[Cadaverous Pallor]

GD said it best (of course ;) ). The idea that "person A shot person B" is always the exact same crime and deserves the exact same punishment is absurd.

What if:

A = 4 year old with daddy's gun?

A = A senile 101 year old man?

A = A person who's killed before?

OR

B = A visibly pregnant woman?

B = A person who is pointing a gun at A?


Give me a break. :rolleyes:

Another point that I would make is that statements in black and white look lovely on paper, but that human brains do not work that way. "Motive doesn't matter" just doesn't make sense in the world of human experience, as the already-in-place legal system bears out.


I'm reminded of the "is it ok to steal medicine to make your loved one well" test they give children and teens to show that there is a gray area in good/bad and punishment that people grow to understand as they mature.

[Nephythys]

Motive does matter-but saying it is "worse" for someone to kill because their victim was gay, than because their victim was a woman- is wrong. It creates a different class of victims-and the punishment should not be different due to that "class".

[Ghoulish Delight]

Again, we already do that. It's "worse" to assault a child vs. assaulting an adult. It's "worse" to abuse an elderly infirmed person than a middle-aged person. There are countless laws that have been in effect, with little to no objection, for decades that delineate all kinds of different classes of people against whom a crime carries a stiffer punishment.

Argue all you want that this particular way to create a separate class won't accomplish anything benefiting society, but saying that creating different classes of victims is in and of itself wrong simply does not hold water considering our current justice system. So unless we're going to open up debate on all of those other laws meant to protect particular classes of people, it's not an argument that makes much sense.

[Morrigoon]

I thought this was the happy gay thread

[Ghoulish Delight]

Just by way of completing a thought - employment laws, specifically laws concerning discriminatory hiring and firing practices, already create legal distinctions involving the very protected classes of people covered by hate crime legislation.

[Gemini Cricket]

I think that Mario Cantone is the gayest gay that has ever gayed TV. He was on The View this morning dressed as Peter Pan. No one was shocked.

:D

[mousepod]

I think that Mario Cantone is the gayest gay that has ever gayed TV. He was on The View this morning dressed as Peter Pan. No one was shocked.

:D

You shoulda seen his kids' show: "Steampipe Alley".

[Gemini Cricket]

You shoulda seen his kids' show: "Steampipe Alley".
I'm rolling on the floor here. I thought you wrote "Steampie Alley". I guess either name could have interesting connotations.
:D

[SzczerbiakManiac]

I love Mario Cantone!! He's funny, talented, gorgeous, and openly gay. (as if he could hide that fact)

Did you see his Broadway show Laugh Whore? Screamingly funny! It was on Showtime a few years ago but alas, does not appear to have been released on DVD. :(

I saw him as Buzz in Love! Valor! Compassion! at the Geffen Playhouse years ago. He had (and presumably still has) a very nice ass. Yes, we got a good look at it.

[Gemini Cricket]

No, this gay man loves Mario Cantone but gosh he's just full bloom all the time!
:D

[Strangler Lewis]

I always thought that Mario Cantone overplayed it on "Sex and the City," but I guess it could not have been otherwise.

[Deebs]

Are You Gay? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjAVa9RAfWQ&NR=1)

[Kevy Baby]

I thought this was the happy gay threadI'm treating it is such - I have enough discord in my life already and I need some respite.

[Gemini Cricket]

Check out 1:30 or so. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A8U6aUPW48)
SFW

[Kevy Baby]

SFWDamn...



Seriously though, as soon as I saw what the clip was, I knew what was at 1:30 or so. Love that movie!

[Gn2Dlnd]

LOVED this article (http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/happy-heteroween/Content?oid=2594616) by Dan Savage on Halloween as the new Straight Pride.

[Gemini Cricket]

I'm not a fan of Tyra Bank's show but if I could have been her for one day, that day would have been the day Dave Salmoni was a guest on her Halloween show (http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/11/02/Dave_Salmoni_Does_Tarzan_on_Tyra/). Wow.
:)

[JWBear]

I'm not a fan of Tyra Bank's show but if I could have been her for one day, that day would have been the day Dave Salmoni was a guest on her Halloween show (http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/11/02/Dave_Salmoni_Does_Tarzan_on_Tyra/). Wow.
:)

I Just watched that video 3 times, and I still have no idea what they said. I kept getting distracted for some reason... :D

[lashbear]

I wonder if he's used to handling Bears ?

[SzczerbiakManiac]

I will take one for the team and teach him how to handle a bear.

[CoasterMatt]

You guys probably would have gone crazy over the guy who played Rocky at Universal for Horror Nights...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3507/4026064079_1f883d2235_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2794/4026063443_ef0dd4ef66_b.jpg

[Gemini Cricket]

wow!

[Cadaverous Pallor]

You guys probably would have gone crazy over the guy who played Rocky at Universal for Horror Nights...He's like a younger, hotter Will Farrell!

[Chernabog]

He's like a younger, hotter Will Farrell!

Does "hotter" imply that Will Farrell is "hot" to begin with? Eeew! :D

[Morrigoon]

What, you don't think he's hot?

[JWBear]

Oh, Rocky!

[Gemini Cricket]

Will Farrell's hotness comes from his tremendous sense of humor. imho.
:)

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Nathan Lane visits Xanadu star Cheyenne Jackson backstage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAFpdQ6ZAfA)

[Chernabog]

Will Farrell's hotness comes from his tremendous sense of humor. imho.
:)

I find him as unfunny as Jim Carrey. Oh well to each his own!

[Chernabog]

Nathan Lane visits Xanadu star Cheyenne Jackson backstage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAFpdQ6ZAfA)

The fact that Nathan Lane referenced Sean Cody makes me giggle. :D

[Ghoulish Delight]

When Will Farrell is bad, I hate him with a passion. When he's good, he cracks my sh*t up.

[Gemini Cricket]

:(
Breaking News: Maine voters repeal gay marriage law.
Source (http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2009/11/04/maine_voters_overturn_states_new_same_sex_marriage _law/)

[Kevy Baby]

Nathan Lane visits Xanadu star Cheyenne Jackson backstage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAFpdQ6ZAfA)Nathan Lane is gay? I would never had known.



Look, I`m 40, I`m single, and I work in musical theater - you do the math!

[Cadaverous Pallor]

:(
Breaking News: Maine voters repeal gay marriage law.
Source (http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2009/11/04/maine_voters_overturn_states_new_same_sex_marriage _law/)When this vote comes back to CA we are going to have to work our asses off.

[innerSpaceman]

This just in from a valiant gay rights warrior (aka ME): Don't sweat it. Let's not even work our asses off. Let's just WAIT.

The same percentage point difference in Maine as here: Roughly 50/50, balancing by a thread. It's inevitable to swing our way as old folks die and young people grow. Why waste billions of dollars and countless hours of effort on a cause, though dear to my heart, that will be won by virtue of time itself moving forward as it always does? I hate to say it, but there are far more worthy causes that are not inevitably won.


I don't mean to sound defeated. Hardly. We've already won, but too many people just don't know it yet.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Hope (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/11/the-pain-in-maine-ii.html). Of sorts.

[Chernabog]

Hope (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/11/the-pain-in-maine-ii.html). Of sorts.

Of sorts. It's pretty crushing to see how many people feel so strongly against legitimizing gay relationships. Those horrid grandmothers on their knees crying with joy and praying after Yes on 1 passed.

And sad, that religion has the potential to be such a force of hope, joy, and inspiration to so many gay people, but there's such a hatred of God or religion in the gay community because of crap like this.

[innerSpaceman]

I don't know that I'd call it a hatred of God ... but if a cynical view of organized religion is born of all this, that's one small silver lining for the gays.

[Morrigoon]

Recent polls suggest that there is a 52.5% chance that Americans are bigots.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

I don't know that I'd call it a hatred of God...No more than I'd call it a hatred of Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny.

[Gemini Cricket]

Prejean Goes XXX (http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/11/04/Prejean_Goes_XXX/)
SFW

[innerSpaceman]

Still, the Pageant is reportedly paying out $100,000 towards Prejean's costs.

[Morrigoon]

Prejean Goes XXX (http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/11/04/Prejean_Goes_XXX/)
SFW

Bastion of morality that she is...

[JWBear]

'Cause two people of the same gender being in a loving long term relationship is so much more immoral that being in a porn video! :rolleyes:

[Morrigoon]

All hail! The slut "just doesn't think it's right" for two loving adults to make a legal commitment to each other!

[Andrew]

Prejean Goes XXX (http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/11/04/Prejean_Goes_XXX/)
SFW
Tease. The article talks about the video but doesn't link to it!

[Ghoulish Delight]

It's apparently unreleased - and apparently filthy. Filthy enough that TMZ thought better of releasing it. Yes, you read that right, too racey for freaking TMZ to publish.


Now I HAVE to see it.

[JWBear]

That's some filthy!

[Strangler Lewis]

I had happily forgotten that this woman existed, so my first thought was, "Sister Helen, what have you done?"

[SacTown Chronic]

You never go ass to mouth, Miss Prejean.

[Prudence]

R71 is still leading in WA. Not marriage, but at least the not marriage bill isn't losing.

[Ghoulish Delight]

It's apparently unreleased - and apparently filthy. Filthy enough that TMZ thought better of releasing it. Yes, you read that right, too racey for freaking TMZ to publish.


Now I HAVE to see it.
Aww, it just got a little less itneresting...apparently it's a solo work.

[innerSpaceman]

My roommate and I went out to the Maine Solidarity and Prop 8 Anniversary protest rally and march yesterday. It was such a feeling of deja vu. Very last minute, so I found myself making a quick sign out of box tops at work, just like I did exactly one year earlier.

Ran into a bunch of old activist friends and had a fun time, but the crowd was - naturally - much smaller than last year. I wasn't really inclined to go, but Isaac thinks we should try to keep some momentum going in the activist community! Who knew?

For me, I just figured since so many other parts of the country honored California with Prop 8 protests last year, it was the least I could do to contribute to a nationwide protest of the similarly despicable results in Maine.

Not based solely on the meh showing last night, but I've a feeling I'm hardly the only disaffected activist who has lost the sense of urgency on this issue. I think they're going to have a hard time getting this back on the ballot in 2010 here in California ... and I'm not at all sure I'm going to help with that effort as I'd long planned to do.



Stay tuned.

[innerSpaceman]

My favorite sign from last night:

Yo yo yo, Obama, I'm really happy for you. Ima let you finish, but Bill Clinton had one of the best Back-Stabbings of all time. Of All Time.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!



And my favorite moment:

When the protest passed by the popular gay bar, Ackbar, in Silver Lake, we all shouted at the patrons, "Out of bar, into the streets! Out of the bar, into the streets!" - like the famous scene in the movie, Milk.


Half a block further on, passing a McDonald's with one of those hamster-like playzones for kids, the crowd starts spontaneously shouting, "Out of the PlayPlace, into the streets! Out of the PlayPlace, into streets!" - while kids inside the plastic bubble looked on, quite perplexed. ;)

Tee and Hee!


:snap:

[lashbear]

sooooo... did many kids join you?

[innerSpaceman]

Not a single one. But next year, when they learn about anal sex in class as part of their 3rd grade syllabus, we'll have us a few more converts.

[JWBear]

Not a single one. But next year, when they learn about anal sex in class as part of their 3rd grade syllabus, we'll have us a few more converts.

That's from the secret part of the Gay Agenda, iSm!! They weren't supposed to know about that!

[lashbear]

At least nobody's leaked the truth about the DADT "Buggery Barracks"

[innerSpaceman]

Hahaha, kinda drunk ex-sailor at the protest last night: I love gay guys. They're were tons of gay guys in the Navy, and they were all alright. Ya know what they used to say? A ship goes out with 5,000 men, and comes back with 2,500 couples.


Isaac and I nearly lost our sh!t.

[alphabassettgrrl]

ISM- awesome. :)

[Ghoulish Delight]

The most recent episode of South Park should be required watching for anyone following this thread (GC - I'm particularly looking at you)

The F Word (http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/251889)

[innerSpaceman]

I happen to agree with the philosophy of that episode, though more than a few in the gay community are upset with it.

They point out if "Fag" were replaced with the word I can't even type on the LoT, the show would have been pulled. Perhaps, but it doesn't change the fact that word meanings can change. "That's so gay" and "Fag" may be firmly rooted in homo insults, but their meaning is evolving and queers needn't get their frilly panties in such a bunch about people using them to insult things that aren't homosexual.


Now that I'm no longer SGA, I'll likely go back to using, "That's so gay." And I only wish the Fag word could be successfully disarmed. That won't happen by continuing to take needless offense as it naturally evolves. It doesn't mean Harley Riders yet, but it's not just about homos anymore.

[Ghoulish Delight]

"You can be gay and not be a fag".

[Gemini Cricket]

The most recent episode of South Park should be required watching for anyone following this thread (GC - I'm particularly looking at you)

The F Word (http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/251889)
Okay, I'll watch it. Here goes. I'll be back in 21 minutes and 37 seconds.
:)

[BarTopDancer]

ok you should be back now.

Pure coincidence that I clicked in this thread at this time.

[Gemini Cricket]

I really liked that episode. It was severely funny. :D

"There's little flags stuck in the sh*t!"

I have no problem with this episode at all. South Park has demonstrated gay-friendly messages time and time again in previous episodes. I don't see a problem with them parodying LGBT people or issues.

I mean, Big Gay Al and Mr. Slave are married for crying out loud.

I don't see a problem with them trying to change the definition of the word "fag". I believe a lot of people (kids mostly) using the word and don't mean it to be derogatory towards gay people. With that being said, I oddly enough have a problem with people using "gay" to mean "lame". Especially when it's done so by someone who knows it bugs other people and are gay themselves.

I don't use either word unless I'm doing it to parody people who do. Which I guess that is why I have no problem with the South Park episode.

Also, (Ooh. Johnny Weismuller is on TCM in a loin cloth!) I think the gay rights organizations who are up in arms about this are lame. They should be focusing on why gay marriage initiatives are failing all over this country. They shouldn't be spending time skewering allies. I think it's only a matter of time before LGBT people and gay friendly folk are going to start questioning the effectiveness of these groups that have a lot of money and seemingly have very little power to change sh*t... with little flags stuck in them.

:D

ETA:
ok you should be back now.

Pure coincidence that I clicked in this thread at this time.

Well, sheesh! Give a girl a chance to write, will ya?
;) :D lol

[Ghoulish Delight]

Plus...fvck Harley riders, total fags.

I think the episode made its best point when they went through the full etemology of the word.

Regarding "gay", I'm torn. On the one hand, I do agree with G.C.'s point. While it's gotten to the point that most people use it to mean "lame" rather than "homosexual", it still very heavily leans toward, "I think you're lame, therefore I'm going to call you gay because, as we all know, homosexuals are lame. So even though I don't mean that you are a guy who prefers penis to vagina, I do mean that I hate that aspect of your personality as much as I hate homosexuals."

On the other hand...it's a fun word to say and I can't stop myself saying it! For the most part I use it in the iSm sense, not so much to mean "lame", but more to just mean, "Wow, that's something a flaming homo would like, but not me." For example - "Holy crap, the furniture in here is gaaaaaaay!" But I'll cop to using it in the more general "lame" use case, though almost exclusively in reference to aesthetic choices as opposed to calling someone, or someone's actions "gay"...almost exclusively.

I'd don't love that I continue to use it. I think the arrival of the kiddo will finally break me of it as I will be more conscious of my language usage overall.

[Gemini Cricket]

GD ~ Yeah, f*ck those Harley fags.

I must admit that I do use "gay" to mean "something a gay would like". Like me watching Tarzan the Ape Man right now because Johnny Weismuller is totally hot. That's totally gay! I don't mind people using "gay" in that way, especially if I know the user is gay-friendly.

[lashbear]

This thread is Gay.


BTW: I was able to watch the southpark episode thanks to a special helper... you know who you are. :D

[innerSpaceman]

I oddly enough have a problem with people using "gay" to mean "lame". Especially when it's done so by someone who knows it bugs other people and are gay themselves.
Even if not meant so, I'll take that as a dig at me. And I beg to differ.

While I try (and often fail) to refrain when I know the phrase bugs people, I believe both the word "Fag" and the phrase "That's so gay" are least potentially offensive when said by gays.

Only blacks can say the word that can't even be typed on the LoT, and queers call each other Fag in the most affectionate manner. I'm glad "That's so gay" can be uttered by straights and not be an insult to gays. Certainly it can be uttered by gays. Sheesh.


But, yeah, I use it only in reference to things flaming gaysters would like, or would stereotypically like. Never about a person, or something that's lame for one of a myriad of other reasons. Eskimos have 12 different words for snow, after all.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Let's play "Offensive or Not"! I'll start.

"OMG, did you hear that GC is applying for a job as manager of a resort hotel spa? So gay!"

:D :evil:

[Strangler Lewis]

They'll know he's desperate, so you can bet they'll Jew him down on salary.

[SacTown Chronic]

Being niggardly with the fags, eh? Typical. I've heard that the British don't like sharing their cigarettes.

[Gemini Cricket]

There are grey areas. I mean, if you see some guy wearing bejeweled Crocs with Hannah Montana socks and you say, "Now, that's gay." It could mean the guy is lame, it could mean the guy is gay, it could mean the guy is gay and lame, it could mean just his footwear is lame and/or gay.

I think it would be even gayer if the spa was designated as males only.

[innerSpaceman]

In honor of the Fag episode, I will be treating my roomie to his inaugural showing of Team America: World Police tonight.

Can't wait.



Oh, and nothing offensive in that movie!

[blueerica]

WHAAAAT? Inaugural showing?!@?

[innerSpaceman]

Which we didn't watch after all. I forgot I'd netflixed the remake of Halloween, and decided to watch that while there was still a whiff of the season.

Team America soon though. No, Isaac's never seen it.

[Gemini Cricket]

John Aravosis (AMERICAblog.com) is a friend of mine, but I don't know what I feel about his new campaign.

Joe and I are launching today a donor boycott of the DNC. The boycott is cosponsored by Daily Kos, Jane Hamsher of FireDogLake, Dan Savage, Michelangelo Signorile, Paul Sousa (Founder of Equal Rep in Boston), Pam Spaulding, Robin Tyler (ED of the Equality Campaign, Inc.), Bil Browning for the Bilerico Project and soon others.

It's really more of a "pause," than a boycott. Boycotts sounds so final, and angry. Whereas this campaign is temporary, and is only meant to help some friends - President Obama and the Democratic party - who have lost their way. We are hopeful that via this campaign, our friends will keep their promises.Source (http://www.americablog.com/2009/11/dont-ask-dont-give.html)

:confused:

[innerSpaceman]

I'm absolutely in favor of the "pause." I'd actively participate ... if only I'd ever given a dime to the Democratic party.


And with "friends" like them, who needs enemies?

[Gemini Cricket]

Hey, my desktop wallpaper pic is on this Advocate.com story (http://www.advocate.com/Arts_and_Entertainment/Theater/Judge_Allows_Teens_to_Play_Gay/)!
:)

A Nevada judge ruled on Tuesday that a high school theater class should not be blocked from performing The Laramie Project and the musical Rent.
A group known as Concerned Parents of Green Valley High in Henderson, Nev., filed a lawsuit in October to halt the productions. The parents objected to students playing characters dealing with gay issues and drug use.

[Gemini Cricket]

And now, in our "Play By My Rules or I Will Leave and Take My Toys With Me" portion of the news:

In a stunning turn of events, Archbishop Sean P. O'Malley and leaders of Catholic Charities of Boston announced yesterday that the agency will end its adoption work, deciding to abandon its founding mission, rather than comply with state law requiring that gays be allowed to adopt children.
The Rev. J. Bryan Hehir, president of Catholic Charities of Boston, and Jeffrey Kaneb, chairman of the board, said that after much reflection and analysis, they could not reconcile church teaching that placement of children in gay homes is ''immoral" with Massachusetts law prohibiting discrimination against gays.
Source (http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/03/11/catholic_charities_stuns_state_ends_adoptions/)

The Catholic Archdiocese of Washington said Wednesday that it will be unable to continue the social service programs it runs for the District if the city doesn't change a proposed same-sex marriage law, a threat that could affect tens of thousands of people the church helps with adoption, homelessness and health care. Source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/11/AR2009111116943.html?nav=hcmodule)

Jeepers H. Crackers!

[JWBear]

So, for the Catholic church, hatred of gays is more inportant than doing good works. How Christian. :rolleyes:

[Alex]

I don't really see a problem with their position.

Yes, I disagree with them on whether putting children in the care of gays is a sin but accepting that they do consider it to be so, then if the state says that they must if they want to facilitate any adoptions then the logical decision is to stop doing them at all. That really is the proper decision in almost any situation where you're told "you can only do the right thing if you'll do the wrong thing too."

I'm not sure how I feel about them being held to the rule, though. I guess it would depend on to what degree they are acting as an agent of the state. But it doesn't seem that far away from saying "if you want to perform state recognized weddings then you can't discriminate against performing gay weddings" which recent campaigns have stressed would not be the end result of gay marriage.

[Ghoulish Delight]

If they're receiving funds from the state to operate their adoption services, as opposed to simply filing paperwork with the state to report their adoption activities, then I think they should be required to play by state non-discrimination rules.

And yes, under those circumstance, what they've chosen is the "logical" decision based on their faulty suppositions. But it's still worth highlighting since it starkly points out the underlying flaw in said suppositions, creating a handy edge case shining a spotlight on how their dogmatic thinking can (and often does) result in detriment to community when they claim to stand for community benefit.

[JWBear]

I remember reading a comment somewhere that it's strange to see so much homophobia coming from an orginization full of men in dresses.

[Gemini Cricket]

STATEMENT FROM D.C. CLERGY UNITED FOR MARRIAGE EQUALITY IN RESPONSE TO THE WASHINGTON ARCHDIOCESE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH LETTER TO D.C. COUNCIL

“Yesterday, the leadership of the Catholic Church made clear that they are choosing a cynical political ploy over their call to serve the neediest among the community.
“Members of the Church hierarchy announced that they will prohibit Catholic Charities from providing services to DC residents if the DC City Council decides to recognize all married couples as equal under law. If it indeed takes this step, the leadership of the Catholic Church will be turning their backs on thousands of DC Catholics and other DC residents who embrace all of our neighbors and seek to provide for them in times of need.
“The Catholic Church hierarchy is at a crossroads: they must decide whether they are in the charity business for charity¹s sake, or if imposing their will on the DC City Council and the citizens of the District is their primary interest.”
Rev. Dr. Dennis W. Wiley, Pastor, Covenant Baptist Church
Co-Chair, D.C. Clergy United For Marriage Equality
Source (http://rennacommunications.com/press/dc-clergy-respond-to-catholic-church-threats-to-remove-services)

[innerSpaceman]

So why doesn't "D.C. Clergy United for Marriage Equality" announce they will gladly take up the charitable shoe dropped by the Catholic Church, and advise them not to let the door hit them on the way out?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

The answer for the religious organizations that wish to do charitable works for married couples but don't want to offer these same benefits to gay married couples is simple:

Stop taking gov't money.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Prince Harry, cool guy (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/598275/Boozy-Prince-Harry-kisses-fella-for-free-Stella-Prince-Harry-kisses-a-man.html)

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Yet another reason why I like Dolly Parton (http://www.advocate.com/Arts_and_Entertainment/Entertainment_News/Dolly_Parton_Im_For_Gay_Marriage/).

[Gn2Dlnd]

Yet another reason why I like Dolly Parton (http://www.advocate.com/Arts_and_Entertainment/Entertainment_News/Dolly_Parton_Im_For_Gay_Marriage/).

And, she buys ThinKrisps!

[Snowflake]

And, she buys ThinKrisps!

Really?!

[Gn2Dlnd]

Via FedEx through her assistant. I'd love to meet her! She reminds me of my aunt Lyla in Kansas.

[Snowflake]

Via FedEx through her assistant. I'd love to meet her! She reminds me of my aunt Lyla in Kansas.

That is SO cool.

Sooo, how can I order some? I loved the one's you left for me, you are like a supplier, here's a sample.......now I am addicted. PM me details, seriously

[lashbear]

Via FedEx through her assistant. I'd love to meet her! She reminds me of my aunt Lyla in Kansas.
What's her favourite flavour?

[Chernabog]

Here's an interview that Ebert did with Dolly back in 1980. (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19801207/PEOPLE/12070301)

She's amazing.

[SacTown Chronic]

Mountain Dew.


No wait, that's the sweat on her tit-tays.

[alphabassettgrrl]

I love Dolly more and more!

Comment that stands out: >>I saw Dolly on Jay Leno one night years ago and while drooling all over her cleavage, he leered at her and asked if she had ever felt tempted by any of her leading men and if so, which one was the most tempting to her. She twinkled at him and shot right back, "Lily Tomilin!" <<

Love that woman!

[Gemini Cricket]

:DPosted: 1:18 AM, November 19, 2009
Carrie Prejean has been calling Donald Trump, who owns the Miss Universe and Miss USA pageants, for advice on what she should do since she was fired as Miss California and a sex tape surfaced. Prejean -- a Christian who was vilified because she opposes gay marriage -- has lost all credibility and her reputation has been blown to shreds, Trump told one source. "Maybe," Mr. Trump said only half-jokingly, "she should become a major porn star, make millions of dollars, and give it to worthy causes."Source (http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/carrie_on_then_3IW97rOdDzGi9uBSoL7fOK#ixzz0XJnCMnN a)

[SacTown Chronic]

I'm already a big fan of her future work.

[Gn2Dlnd]

It's good to be gay.

(do not want, ewww)

[SacTown Chronic]

It's good to be gay.Sure. It's all fun and games until someone wants to get married.

[Kevy Baby]

Sure. It's all fun and games until someone wants to get married.Actually laughed out loud.

Which is a bad thing to do during a funeral

[Gn2Dlnd]

Actually laughed out loud.

Which is a bad thing to do during a funeral

Depends, was the casket in the ground yet?

[Snowflake]

So when exactly can you revoke the gay membership card?

I've got a friend who, during breakfast discussion last week, stated he voted for Prop 8, thinks Sarah Palin is a terrific candidate and will vote for her if she chooses to run and Carrie Prejean was viciously attacked, after all she is entitled to her opinions. I do not fvcking care how much you love Judy Garland, dude, what is wrong with you? Let's revoke your gay card now, buddy.

I very nearly threw up my breakfast on the spot. :eek:

[Morrigoon]

Self-hating still?

[lashbear]

Geez, whoever converted HIM didn't do such a good job. They should give their Toaster-oven back.

[JWBear]

Fiscaly conservative gays, I can understand. But socially conservative gays... WTF?

[Snowflake]

Fiscaly conservative gays, I can understand. But socially conservative gays... WTF?

No kidding, JW. I know he's a fan of Reagan, hell, he took me to the library. But, this was just way too shocking. I'm still aghast.

[BarTopDancer]

HRC has published their 2009/2010 buyers guide (http://www.hrc.org/buyersguide2010/hrc_buyersguide_10.pdf).

[lashbear]

AMEX is one with a perfect score of 100 - good thing too, cos I'm going for another job with them.

and JW: you don't have to give up the Sims. EA has a score of 100, too !

[lashbear]

Oh DAMN. I can't buy SPAM or STAGG fat-free chilli anymore. :(

[alphabassettgrrl]

I'll need to go through the list and compile things that I'd like to continue buying, vs do I really want it that bad?

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Gay Sex Scene Revealed in Dragons Age: Origins

Geeks.co.uk (http://www.geeks.co.uk/10245-gay-sex-scene-revealed-in-dragons-age-origins) (not quite work safe)

Says GayGamer.net on this revelation (http://gaygamer.net/2009/11/gamestop_in_fresh_meadows_quee.html)With all the negative hoopla surrounding Infinity Ward's grenade spam video I was beginning to lose all faith in gays being shown in a positive light in the world of gaming. I got a treat when I spied this clip of Dragon Age: Origin's gay romance. Read: Spoilers! Here we have what has to be one of the most well-realized representations of gay sex in a video game to date. The scene walks us through a dialogue tree that leads to a graphically romantic tryst with the male protagonist and Zevran the assassin.

After hearing about BioWare's inclusion of a gay relationship, I'm sure many were prepared to be bored by some half baked, heterosexist pandering a-la Mass Effect's alien/lesbian rendezvous. Here it feels deliberate and respectful. In fact, while there are differences between the straight love interests and the gay male option, the romantic scenes of both orientations are given equal diligence.

With this bare-chested and unflinching portrayal, it feels as if the depiction of gay sex in video games has reached a new level of equal treatment. This is more than just a mincing gay pirate (Temple of Elemental Evil) or an evasive fade-to-black: there's choreography, tenderness, humor and even an element of sexual politics to Zevran's post-coital conversation. Kudos to BioWare for adding a bit of a gay storyline to their game and for dealing with gay romance as even-handedly as they do the heterosexual options.

[JWBear]

I debated whether to put this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lp3s4ygDw0) in this thread, or the YouTube thread. This thread won.

:)

[Scrooge McSam]

I debated whether to put this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lp3s4ygDw0) in this thread, or the YouTube thread. This thread won.

:)

LOL Good choice!!

LOVE

The lead is good, but you can't beat that eye-cut at :07 from the guy in the black shirt on the right.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Cool video, but why is it in the gay thread? Those guys are clearly straight—they have facial hair. :confused:

[lashbear]

Yeah, Suuuuuuuuuuuure. :p

[Gemini Cricket]

I don't think that's right. One of my aunts has facial hair. She's not straight.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

I thought this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TwnfoxaF74) was beautiful.

[lashbear]

Nice interpretation of the lyrics and a good illustration of the message. Thanks for the find !

[Deebs]

Bridget loves Nancy (http://www.velvetparkmedia.com/blogs/meredith-baxter-photographed-girlfriend-update-baxter-out-lesbian)

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o218/disneyballerina/posting%20pics/meredith-baxter.jpg
They are so cute and she looks very happy!

[SacTown Chronic]

Oooh, arch conservative Alex P Keaton will not be amused.

[Chernabog]

I like this comment on that page:

Wow! First Who's The Boss?'s Judith Light and NOW Elyse Keaton, too?!?! If Mrs. Garret from Facts of Life comes out, I think my brain might explode like a half-baked potato in the Cage-Crandall household.

Girls, girls!

On another nice note, D.C. Council Approves Marriage Equality 11-2 in First of Two Votes. (http://www.towleroad.com/2009/12/dc-council-may-legalize-samesex-marriage-today.html)

[Ghoulish Delight]

http://topcultured.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/thinkbeinggayisasin_thinkagain-620x465.jpg

[JWBear]

^
The story (http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/30/gay-bashing-woman-hu.html)