When Wayne was checking out the new batsuit, he asked if it would be good against dogs and was told maybe cats.

I was not making any judgment statements on any of that genre of movie, I just felt like an element from those movies, or at least an element that appeals to fans of those movies, was present in this movie and I wasn't in love with it in the context of a Batman movie. I haven't seen any of the Saw or Hostel or whatever movies so I have no idea whether they are good or not.

I will say it again, the Saw comparrison is entirely tangential to my feelings towards this movie, born of a factual error I held in my head. I was getting bored with the seemingly endless series of overly complex events. It brought to mind what I perceive as the general M.O. (not any specifics) of a genre of movies I have no interest in which triggered my false memory of Nolan being involved with those, but really my point has nothing to do with those movies, it just would have made a lot of sense had Nolan been involved. He wasn't, but that doesn't change the fact that the story was boring me regardless of any false analogy my mind jumped to.

I like them- for whatever that is worth.

The storyline is consistent throughout-it's a full story arc but told on a movie scale rather than TV where such arcs are common.

4 baffled the heck out of me for a while- once I got it I was psyched for 5- let's hope the quality continues.

Ahhh... Yes. Got it now. Thanks.

Personally, I wasn't bored with the Joker's plots and schemes. He's supposed to be a menace to society, so I like the fact that there were more than one or two elements of his criminal enterprises.

To each his own, though.


But since I dislike Batman and love the Joker, I was all for anything that involved the Joker.

Back to GD's misremembering Nolan's CV. I think the psychological manipulation employed by the Joker hearkens back to Memento, and (even more so) Following.

So if one was to substitute the correct movies into GD's original suppositions, his opinion still wouldn't be too far off.

However, I think that the singular drive by the main characters of those two movies would have been great had the Joker exhibited it more in The Dark Knight. As it stands, I think that Nolan dumbed-down his own style and made it more Saw-like for this film.

The recognizable locations bothered me a bit as well - but not a huge amount. I do like the Burton Gotham City best. The "History" of Gotham City is kind of scattered because of the 60 + year history. Gotham was never really ment to be New York but has many elements. Metropolis, since Superman and Batman are in teh same "universe," is New York City. Gotham City was always across the bay from Metropolis and is kind of positioned where New Jersey would be.

Just fyi. :)

Then it was pretty stupid for the original writers to name it Gotham City, since Gotham was already a long-standing nickname for New York City.

In which case, I say Metropolis should be somewhere else.

Agreed ISM. Unfortunatly, the original writers weren't thinking of building the mithology of Batman - they were just collecting paychecks. Their universe didn't have NY or Chicago or LA, it was Gotham City, Metropolis, Central City, or Keystone City. (THough later Salem and San Francisco appreared)

Anyway...

Marvel had a masterstroke when they decided (for Spider-Man, was it?) to just have New York City be New York City. ;)



Anyway, it was interesting how this latest Batman movie has Gotham City ... and Hong Kong.