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Tenigma 10-03-2008 05:47 PM

Posted in my LJ:

I realize Rolling Stone doesn't have nearly the impact it did say 20 years ago, but this article is a real eye-opener.

Apparently the there's buzz in conservative circles of this being McCain's swift boat:

"Make-Believe Maverick: A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty"

This article is long, but I encourage you to read it. It's a pretty detailed history of McCain. It names names, and actually has quotes from these named people (military colleagues and the like).

I found his attitude about war and violence to be the most surprising. It's one thing to hear that they want to "win the war" and another to read that he actually encourages going to war. Ouch ouch ouch. If you aren't scared yet, you should be.

Time to make sure everyone you know is registered to vote. Including your dog [pit bull, of course].

PS: I'm seeing quite a few comments from people on the right who say the Rolling Stone should stick to reporting about music. Apparently these people are utterly clueless about the societal/political articles the magazine has been publishing for decades.

scaeagles 10-04-2008 08:16 PM

I have come to the conclusion that I will not be voting for McCain. I will be abstaining.

It isn't for any reasons the people here despise the man or his running mate, though some of the criticisms certainly come into play. Those have little effect on me, and anti McCain rhetoric is everywhere. It is rather what he says and does all by himself. I didn't mind his call to end the campain and go to Washington to work on the economic bailout (which sickens me in what it became, though that in't his fault - it is the fault of the despicable politicians everywhere, and the fault of Bush who is so deperate to sign anything that I don't know if I can truly blame the pack of scavengers out to get what they think will get them reelected by bribing their constituencies).

I don't think I can point to any one thing. He is no conservative. Palin may be, but that is of little concern to me, regardless of how well I thought she did overall in the debate. He will be just as bad for this country, if not worse, than Obama (please do not interpret this as in any way being supportive of Obama). I fear for this country no matter which of these men wins because they are both so horribly misguided.

My hope is that, in an Obama victory, the true conservatives will once again have a revival of the conservative ideology. I only hope that irreparable socialist damage is not done to the country prior to that.

The last straw? When he said he would ask Al Gore to head up the US efforts in working with the world on climate change. That is just one offense of far too many for me any longer.

Believe me, Obama and Biden make me sick as well. I just cannot bring myself to vote for McCain. Something may happen to change my mind, but I doubt it. He will win AZ so it amounts to a protest vote for me. Or more properly a lack of a vote in protest.

I can not bring myself to even think about politics anymore. While I'm sure I'll end up in here anyway, I don't know if I can even bring myself into these political discussions anymore. I can find almost nothing to be supportive of McCain on, and my criticisms of Obama have been typically not welcome.

May God bless the USA, because I don't have one ounce of optimism about where this country is headed. There is no one whom I believe is capable of leadership that is in or potentially in the position to do so. Not Obama, McCain, Pelosi, Reid, Gore, Clinton, any nameless republican leader (I can't even name one off the top of my head) in the house or senate....they are all crooks, liars.....politicians. All power hungry and against each other in bitterness and spitefulness, wallowing in their pathetic 9% congressional approval ratings and 30% Presidential.

Forgive my vomitous rantings. I truly am sick and defeated. I used to care. I just don't anymore.

wendybeth 10-04-2008 08:30 PM

I can certainly appreciate where you are coming from, Scaeagles- I really can. I still have a little bit of hope- not a lot, but enough to see me through one more campaign, barring any unforeseen occurrences. I'm sickened by the whole pork laden mess of a bailout, and everyone I know (Republican or Democrat) is as well. These politicians are in for a surprise come re-election. Our country is a mess, and I don't think it's going to get better anytime soon. I have a feeling the next president is going to have a horrible time of it, regardless of who wins the election.

innerSpaceman 10-05-2008 12:38 AM

Wow, scaeagles and i are both protestation abstaining from voting for our respective party's candidates in state's where they each have a total lock.


The similarities are eerie.

dlrp_bopazot 10-05-2008 02:47 AM

hey here in France we've got French friies and Pizza with Mc Cain brand



would you like to eat a Mc Cain tonight to taste . I can ship a Mc Cain if you d like lol

Tenigma 10-05-2008 04:13 AM

Wow Sceagles. I can really hear the anguish in your voice. It must have been heart-wrenching to have to come to your conclusion.

Strangler Lewis 10-05-2008 07:46 AM

What if they gave an election and nobody came?

(Actually, there's probably an answer for that in each state's rules for choosing electors in case of a tie.)

3894 10-05-2008 08:21 AM

OMG, I'm about to encourage a conservative to vote.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis (Post 244267)
What if they gave an election and nobody came?

I think the decision not to vote is boneheaded. This election is not about the candidates themselves. It's about the war, health care reform, and economics. Surely you can vote about those, even if you can't get behind a candidate.

Now back to my favorite subject: Gov. Palin. Don't you hate that term "Joe Six Pack"? Especially since her state of Alaska has dismal stats on alcohol abuse and its Medusa-hair of related problems: drunk driving, suicide, sexual assault, fetal alcohol syndrome ...

As my husband says, "Six beers is drunk, Governor Palin".

innerSpaceman 10-05-2008 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3894 (Post 244273)
Don't you hate that term "Joe Six Pack"?

Nah ... i always think of a dude with good abs. :cool:





And I respectfully disagree about abstaining to vote for president, as I will be doing. That's NOT the same as abstaining to vote. I WILL be voting in this election, just not for the candidate I support from the choice of two. Since there's no way Obama can lose my state, I can "afford" for the sake of the war, healthcare, etc., to vote my conscience. BTW, I do not support Obama's stance on lots of important issues, the War first amongst them. He cannot get my vote when that vote won't matter a whit.

3894 10-05-2008 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman (Post 244274)

I WILL be voting in this election, just not for the candidate I support from the choice of two.

Now I remember you're a Biden fan, iSm. Me, too.


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