Well, I disagree. I have several friends and acquaintances I consider physically ugly.

But you also seem to be assuming the worst and equating any instance of "unattractive" as code for "vomit inducingly ugly."

How a person looks has absolutely nothing to do with whether I want to be their friend. And whether someone is my friend has little to do with whether I find them attractive.

Now, hopefully whether I find someone physically attractive has little to do with how I treat them as a person (unless trying to bed them is how I'm currently treating them). I agree with you on that point. But I disagree with you in that I don't see any disconnect between being friends with someone and finding them unattractive or even ugly (physically).

I had a friend in high school who had been in a fire as an infant. He was scarred and malformed over most of his body. There is no denying that he was physically ugly. But he was also a great person and a great friend. I use this as an extreme example not to equate fatness with full body burn scars.

OK. The text above IN BOLD is where the problem began. CP obviously doesn't like hot chicks or hot guys that are no-so-skinny. Or, it seems rather that anyone who is no-so-skinny is not hot and, therefore shouldn''t be hired by Disneyland.

Personally, I find that statement pretty naive and childish and I don't blame anyone for taking her to task over it. I would actually be surprised if no one did.

But, things seem to have gotten a bit more intense so I'm gonna recommend that CP cut her loses now and stop digging an even deeper hole. I think there are some interesting kernels of discussion to be had here but I don't think there is much that can be done to repair the damage done by the statement above in this thread. And, things may just get worse. I would hate to see that happen.

Excuse me? I apologized and withdrew that. That was a mistake. It was supposed to be an over the top joke spoofing flame wars. Upon reading it again I realized it wasn't funny at all. I'd go pancake on it if I could because I did NOT mean what it says.

You might want to read the thread before posting.

ETA - if anyone wants to continue discussing my last few posts, I'm game.

Going back to the original assertion of "Disneyland is changing their costumes becasue CMs are too fat." I think Disneyland was misguided in thinking that dress size and a scale can be used to measure beauty.

Likewise, I think that anyone that thinks Disneyland should keep to this practice under cover of "societal norms" is similarly misguided.

On the other hand, not wanting to be a Disney appologist, I am hoping that Disney is broadening it's perception of "what is attractive" in changing their hiering and costuming practices despite the cynical crtics out there.

Of course, I have yet to see the new costumes - and I'll be very dissappointed if they end up being differently themed polo shirts and non-descript unisex slacks.

I have read the whole thread, which is why I posted what I did.

Sometimes things can't be retracted, you just need to let them fade away with time. That was a pretty heavy hit. I suggest you walk away, but you may choose to hold on like a bull dog.

Oh, and what are you excusing me for? I didn't burp.

Lisa,

stop fighting with Jennie in public, again.

Do you have any response to the conversation as it stands? Or are you going to pull up the one statement that I posted erroneously 2 days ago, apologized for publicly and via PM, and ignore what's currently happening? I don't understand.

Sorry, ain't no ringside seats here for you my dear. Actually, there's not much to see......unless you find suggestions exciting.:p

All sniping aside, I wonder if there's just some sort of P.C. attempt to de-sexify the remaining mysogenistic costumes in the Park. I'm sure it's a lot to do with the changing average body type of the current crop of potential cast members, but I can't help feeling that the demise of the Storybook Land skirt and the Club 33 French Maid is all part of a plan that culminates with a far less sexy tour guide outfit.

What gets me about this plan is the blatent sexicism it displays towards men. I predict you won't see them de-sexifying the Canoe outfits, or claiming that studly men just can't be found nowadays for that job.

GOD! I hope not! ;)