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Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 282683)

I'm not saying it isn't popular. I was just pointing out that iSm's claim was… Um… inflated a bit.

Meh, I was just trying to think of where iSm might have had the number from, that's all. Not trying to counter or attack anything... Sorry if I came off that way - I pretty much don't give a rat's ass what others think and think that trying to convince someone that they should have liked it is fairly pointless.

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And one of the biggest Star Trek fans I know hates it. So?

Precisely.

I'm wondering if this is really just an argument to feel understood about our opinions. Not sure... but arguing about likes and dislikes isn't something that can usually be won or lost, nor is it likely that many minds will be swayed. So, what's the point?

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 282686)

Can't argue that your reaction to it is your reaction, just pointing out that iSm was not wildly off the mark with his guesstimate.

Neither carries any more weight than the other. And one of my friend's colleagues who also worked on the Encyclopedia and website and other stuff walked out on it. I didn't post that as an attempt to call it an authoritative view on the quality of the movie. I guess my point is that one can argue whether you enjoy the movie on whole or not, but when someone who literally wrote the book on what is "canon" is okay with it, I personally take that as license to ignore appeals to canon as a reason to hate it (which I don't think anyone here really has done, so not aimed at anyone here who didn't like the movie for their own reasons).

And I don't dislike it due to anything regarding canon. I just think it was a boring inanely written movie.

I actually don't have a problem with the concept of an alternate timeline "reboot". It could have been very cool, if it hadn't been done so poorly.

(ETA: I did find the destruction of Vulcan to be horrible and unforgivable. If that can be considered a reason to hate it due to canon, so be it. To me. it was more of an emotional thing.)

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Originally Posted by blueerica (Post 282703)

I'm wondering if this is really just an argument to feel understood about our opinions. Not sure... but arguing about likes and dislikes isn't something that can usually be won or lost, nor is it likely that many minds will be swayed. So, what's the point?

It is, and it can't. I'm just glad we can discuss it without resorting to ad-hominem attacks.

Second time you've said something like that so I'm wondering.

Does this really come off as arguing? To me it doesn't, it just seems like people talking about the movie, what they liked and didn't and so on. Seems to be pretty much what a message board is for.

I'm certainly not trying to convince anybody to my point of view (that certainly never works with aesthetics) but rather simply to explain my point of view (and in the process revealing to myself what may be behind initial visceral responses).

I'm with Alex on this point. I'm always interested when my initial reaction to something artistic is so radically different from that of my friends. I read threads like this to see if perhaps there's something I'm missing. I post because I imagine that my friends have similar curiosity.

Well, not an argument, I agree. I was agreeing with Erica on the understanding opinions part.

Yeah, not arguing here either. I like the revelations about people's taste, and what might be behind it.

mousepod, I've found on a number of occassions that I didn't like "Movie X" ... but saw it again anyway, and once aware of what IT was trying to do rather than what I wanted it to, gained a strong appreciation for "Movie X" that I originally hated.

I'm not saying this is what happened to you at all ... but your description of expecting the Time Alteration gimmick to follow the standard pattern and sorta waiting for that to happen, and being disappointed when it didn't ... well that kinda reminds me of when I don't like a movie until see it again under its own terms instead of mine.

Hmm, I guess I find different meaning for the term argument. More like presenting a case, different sides - not quite fighting. Arguing for me, while not fighting, can become tiresome once the point's been made. 100+ posts later, and I feel beaten about by the same points on both sides.

Then again, I keep reading. I must be a glutton for punishment.

Yeah, I'm getting near the done point. I think I've said all I can muster about Star Trek.

Let's see, 42% of the posts in this thread are mine. ;) Maybe Alex and I should take this to email or text message or something.

I could talk about Chris Pine some more.:evil:

Yes, please do talk about him. He's incredibly handsome.

The Transformers thread was 143 posts long. Certainly Star Trek is deserving of more talk than that piece of pucky.