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lashbear 07-22-2009 05:57 PM
That was the point we were making (only hidden in spoilers, of course...) ie:
Quote:
Originally Posted by lashbear (Post 292350)
Stoat and I are of the opinion:

Spoiler:

Why did the death eaters even need to go to Hogwarts? They did nothing, apart from kicking over some glasses from the table on the way out, and busting a set of stained glass windows. Oh, that's right, they did burn Hagrids hut (presumably while Hagrid was out the back having a pee), but they weren't neded for the dispatch of Dumbledore at all.

OOoooooooo, scary.

Snape took care of everything that Draco couldn't do, and Harry didn't even need to be petrified, a simple "SSssh" gesture stopped him from crying out or trying to stop anything from happening.

Alex 07-22-2009 06:04 PM
Thinking about it some more I wonder if the muted audience reaction (at least for people who haven't read the book) to the final events might be because

Spoiler:
the scene before going to the whore-crust where Harry heard Snape and Dumbledore talking made it pretty obvious that Snape was a double agent and therefore the assumption would be that Dumbledore is not really dead in the time honored movie tradition of the fake-bad guy fake-killing the good guy before the real-bad guy can do so.

So their expectation is that the next movie will opened with Gandalf back from the flames and purified into having a much nicer looking beard.


And if that is what really happens (because I have not paid attention to spoilers in great depth then shame on J.K. Rowling.

LSPoorEeyorick 07-22-2009 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman (Post 292859)
In all fairness, it's hard not to imitate Tolkien in fantasy. It would be like complaining every pirate movie ever made is ripping off the ride at Disneyland.
[movie snob]

Pish-posh. It would be like complaining every pirate movie ever made is ripping off Captain Blood!

[/movie snob]

flippyshark 07-22-2009 07:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex (Post 292879)
Thinking about it some more I wonder if the muted audience reaction (at least for people who haven't read the book) to the final events might be because


And if that is what really happens (because I have not paid attention to spoilers in great depth then shame on J.K. Rowling.
Well, if you can stand the spoiler -
Spoiler:
That's not what happens - Dumbledore is really dead.

Gemini Cricket 07-22-2009 08:02 PM
During my second viewing, I was noticing some similarities to LOTR. The Gandalf style fall, the touch the ring and something scary happens, the Gollum monsters coming from the lake, and it looked like they used the same perspective trick they used with Frodo and Gandalf on Hagrid while Slughorn and Harry talked to him by the dead Aragorn, I mean, Aragog...

And why couldn't Dumbledore just teleport to the quartz locket bowl? No need for the boat...

Moonliner 07-22-2009 08:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket (Post 292895)
During my second viewing, I was noticing some similarities to LOTR. The Gandalf style fall, the touch the ring and something scary happens, the Gollum monsters coming from the lake, and it looked like they used the same perspective trick they used with Frodo and Gandalf on Hagrid while Slughorn and Harry talked to him by the dead Aragorn, I mean, Aragog...

And why couldn't Dumbledore just teleport to the quartz locket bowl? No need for the boat...
I have a vague memory from the book that you could not apperate inside or into the cave. In fact in the book I believe they had to swim from the rock to the cave.

bewitched 07-22-2009 09:02 PM
No comment about the plot really except to say it was good, not great...but good. Olivia and her friends all really like it and have declared it "the funniest" of the movies.

In other news, Ron is kinda hot.

BarTopDancer 07-22-2009 09:26 PM
The scene with Aragog was entirely way to long. That could have been cut completely.

lashbear 07-22-2009 10:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 292896)
I have a vague memory from the book that you could not apperate inside or into the cave.
Unless you're a House Elf...

Quote:
Originally Posted by bewitched (Post 292907)
In other news, Ron is kinda hot.
You just noticed ? ;) I'm getting the Stoat to dye his hair red from now on...

innerSpaceman 07-23-2009 06:24 AM
Fvck Spoilers. The movie's been out 2 weeks.

To address Alex's point .... in the book, it's even more strongly hinted that Gandalf, er, Dumbledore's death is a movie-death fake. Yet, his death comes of shocking and sad in print.

Next book spoiler:
Spoiler:
As it turns out, once we get to the next book, Dumbledore never re-appears, so the hints he wasn't dead were really a cheat ... a good one though, since the obvious thing is to hint he's not dead and have him turn up alive because everyone just loves him so darn much.

Interestingly, Seriously Black's death in the prior book was also very indefinite, with the possibility of him coming back to life ... but that never happened either. I don't credit J.K. Rowling for much, but I like these deaths that left people wondering and like it even more that she did not pander to bringing the beloved characters back to life - when technically she could have.


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