We know the SOS recording was looping for 16 years and we can go from that that Danielle has been on the island for 16 years as well.

Yet maybe the recording hasn't been going for 16 years. Maybe it was set up by the Others. Do we even know fore sure that Danielle isn't an Other? Do we know how long her team was there before the Others showed up? They planted one spy they may have planted more.

How long ago did Dharma set up shop on the island?

Betty and Sca,
In Season 1 Hurley went through the manifest with the Beachies and everyone except Ethan was on it.

True - but it doesn't mean he was an other.

I do not think Danielle is an other. Her motivations do not seem to be "other like".

Ethan took Claire. Very other like. Danielle is related to that in some way - remember the scratches on her arm and remembrance of doing that to Danielle?

I do not think Danielle would have been in a position to infiltrate the others to free Claire. I do not think Danielle is an other and was in on the capture of Claire. If Danielle could not have infiltrated the others to free Claire, but is not an other herself, then Ethan is not an other.

This has been my thinking.

However, after seeing Goodwin in action, I have changed my thinking to that Ethan is most likely an other. There are a lot of similarities between Ethan and Goodwin in mannerisms, knowledge, brutality, and infiltration techniques.

But that leaves me with the hole of Danielle being involved some way with Claire (as is evidenced by the scratches on her arm). Ethan took Claire, and I don't think Danielle is an other. But again, it's hard for me to see how Danielle is able to free Claire from the others.

Yes, but was he an other, or was he working with Danielle? Remember, Claire remembered that she had to scratch Danielle to escape. Why would Ethan, as an other, bring Claire to Danielle?

I'm starting to think Danielle is an Other. If she didn't start as one she became one.

Humm. I wonder if the Others are like the Borg.

I have a feeling there are lots of groups on this island.

It'd be funny if they actually got the actors to lose weight...but as anyone who watches Survivor can attest, a truly deserted person starts to look really thin really quickly. If they've hit day 48 and everyone's still plump, it wouldn't make any sense to make them start losing weight now - the illusion is already blown. Whatever, we just have to pretend.

Groups of other survivors, groups of Others, groups of Dharma people, all of the above, none of the above?

Random thought, what if this is like a twisted version of The Truman Show?

Really good idea - I have sort of wondered if it was some kind of massive set up.

And there could be many groups - the Others may not be the Dharma project people, or they could be just one of the Dharma groups.

Ah, Goodwin. Why couldn't you have been the Other that got away, got some redemption, saved Walt and gone back to find the Losters to become part of their little Survivor Party? You were so handsome, like a real Man of Gondor you were. So...so...delicious. Of course, after you came running out of the jungle in your dry clothes, looking all helpful and attractive, I tought, "Audra, my girl, this one's gotta be a bad guy...because YOU like him."

DAMMIT!

So I built my hopes up for a possible reoccurring role on the show as The Other Who Got Away and Then Got Redeemed, and then Ana-Lucia stakes him. As if he were some loser novice vampire in Buffy the Vampire Slayer! How COULD the writers treat my sweet baby Goodwin that way?

He *was* rather sinister and creepy when his secret was found out. He gave me the chills. But still I thought, Flee! FLEE GOODWIN! And live. LIVE FOR ME!!!!! And become a good guy!

But, no. He’s the staked corpse of episodes gone by. I really should have remembered when Ana-Lucia said, “Remember Goodwin?” I really should have remembered.

Ah, next week: Kate kisses Sawyer’s forehead. I’ll never have to hear Shannon’s crying, whining again (accept in flashbacks…no doubt she’ll be wearing a terrible wig). Now if only they’d all vote Charlie off the island, I’ll be pleased. If Locke and Claire get it on, maybe Charlie will simply drown himself, or O.D. on Heroin Mary.

Also next week: Ana-Lucia and Sayid act out a scene from their two-person show, “Desert Storm: The Unhappy Years”. Cause I’m betting cash that she was in Desert Storm, too.

Hey, hey now! First you're making kissy faces at "Children are fine" Goodwin and now you're trying to get my Charlie "taken". I think I'm gonna go dig a pit...:evil:


Actually, I too was bummed to discover that Goodwin was an Other. He was cute. But that was outweighed by the awesome scariness of an Other so much a part of the main group, unlike Ethan who was somewhat of an outsider. And I just love vague hints!

Ethan Rom = Other Man
(It's a puzzle on the Oceanic Airlines website)