I like to give two specific examples: the Catholic church (most will not allow you to marry in the church unless you are Catholic) and the LDS church. According to the latter, one is not "truly" married unless you are married in THE Temple in SLC (I don't know the official name). And, unless you are an LDS, you aren't even allowed to ATTEND (to witness) a marriage in that Temple.

I had a conversation with my LDS co-worker today. He's voting Yes (I tried, and I'll keep trying). On a positive note he doesn't believe the campaign ads on TV about teaching in school and thinks it's messed up to use the MA laws as what will happen in CA (and he shares that information with others).

He also thinks that regardless of what way the election goes people who are gay will eventually have the actual right to marry.

I ended the conversation asking him who will stand up when people come for his rights, or his daughters rights. No answer.

Yeah. That.

When you can specifics, it always makes the argument stronger.

Well, almost always...

Yay - there have been yes on 8 supporters flipin everywhere around here. And on the streetcorners morning and night. Finally today a group of No on 8 supporters took up another street corner with mostly hand made signs - YAY. I honked like mad for them.

Failing that, maybe you can at least convince him to abstain?

How in the fvck can the Yes on 8 campaign get away with blatant lies about gay marriage being taught in schools in CA just because it is part of the MA curriculum?

Seriously, I'm asking. Isn't that slander or something? It's a complete and utter lie. I know the No on 8 commercials are countering it, but how can they say it to begin with?

Edit - apparently some parents are not happy with the ads

YES!

The other day I contacted some random person on Twitter who was asking about the churches-forced-to-marry thing. Basically, went to his profile, visited his site, commented there clarifying things. I just got an email from him... Secured another NO vote! :)

Well of course it wasn't you!

And yeah - I hear you on the arguing thing. It just makes me angry.

I look at the few lawn signs in our neighborhood and think poorly of the people who live there.

FYI - in the house that's for rent, the yes on 8 sign I mentioned before was down within a day. First it was kicked over, then removed. I like to think someoene called the rental company and said WTF.

It was clearly the neighbors sign as it's now up in their yard and has been ever since.

But now with the lawn signs, it's very easy to see who the neighborhood idiots are. Maybe we should avoid their houses on Halloween. We wouldn't want to catch "the bigotry" from them and their tainted candy.