Who's perception gets to be the reality? Because your perception on this one doesn't match mine.


Yes, An Inconvenient Truth talks about Hurricane Katrina but it doesn't say that global warning caused Katrina. It uses Katrina as an example of what we can expect to see more of if the predictions for global warming effects are accurate.

Presumably you'll agree (or accept the voluminous scientific evidence) that warmer surface water temperatures increase the strength of hurricanes and that Katrina was strengthened by the high temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico last year (don't worry, I'm not asking you to agree that those specific temperatures were caused by global warming)?

So what to expect then, asks the film, if global warming makes those high surface temperatures into the standard condition rather than annual anomolies.

This thread reminds me of a great line Keith Olbermann said at the beginning of the month, when talking about the current heat wave in regards to global warming:

I'm not sure that I really understand the point you are trying to make with this thread.

First you say you don't believe that human created pollution is responsible for global warming. You then assert that global weather is too complex a subject to understand. So in essence what you are saying is that due to ignorance on how global weather actually works humans are not responsible for global warming. That's not good science.
It would seem that a more defensible and scientifically valid viewpoint would be to conclude that we don't know what factor human pollution is playing in global warming and go from there.

Also, Am I safe in assuming that you don't think the current level of pollution created by humans is a good thing? Should we not be making every effort to cut back on pollution worldwide regardless of what effect it's having on global warming? So what does it matter if global warming is created by humans or not? We still need to take the steps to clean up our collective act that are generally recommended by the green's.

Don't think I said it wasn't happening. I said there isn't really direct proof that it is man caused, especially considering the history of warming cycles on the earth.

I'm talking about the perception often put forth by the media. I haven't seen An Inconvenient Truth, but for what purpose would the massive hurricane on the poster be there for? It is designed to give the perception that global warming is causing killer hurricanes. This is the perception I was talking about. It isn't the case that global warming is causing killer hurricanes, but it would seem like there is a goal to make the perception to be such.

Simply that the panic about the hurricane season, and what I believe to be an intentional linkage of record hurricane seasons to global warming, isn't coming to pass. No one comes out and says reduced hurricanes mean there is no warming. Plenty of people say increased hurricanes are caused by global warming.

I didn't say man may not be a contributing factor to warming. However, the natural cycle of the earth is to have warming periods and cooling periods. It has happened long before man produced green house gasses. My point is that I am tired of doom and gloom being thrown at me about warming when I do not believe that man is capable of doing anything about it. It happened before we produced greenhouses. It will happen regardless of what man does.

Perhaps a cherrier avitar is in order then? ;)

There is a difference between experiencing doom and gloom in the present and merely predicting it.:)

I'll guess we'll just hav e to wait and see. It's not like any changes we make are going to have sudden results. So, do whatever you want to. I don't have children who will be living in the mess we leave.

Whereas I have taught my children to do the dishes every night. I'm getting them used to idea of cleaning up after us. :)