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SacTown Chronic 02-15-2005 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth
And lets not forget "selfishly hedonistic". :rolleyes:

That's been my sexual style for years. I have no regrets.
















But dammit, it burns!

Scrooge McSam 02-15-2005 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles
He is no homophobe and does not hate homosexuals - he thinks homosexual acts are sinful.

Awww Keyes is just a cutesy wutesy cuddly bear is what he is. He can call me a selfish hedonist any ole time he wants to.

*Scrooge gives Scaeagles a big ole kiss on the cheek. He hates that, ya know... the whole hate the sin, love the sinner thing... but he loves me so it's alright*

Motorboat Cruiser 02-15-2005 09:04 PM

I can't imagine ever telling my child: "Who you are attracted to, through no fault of your own, makes you morally repugnant. We love you but don't want you to ever experience the feeling of being with someone who you care deeply about. Oh, and we are actively doing everything we can to limit your rights constitutionally to ensure that if you do get into a relationship like that, you will never be able to have the same legal protections that your mother and I do."

Ghoulish Delight 02-15-2005 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles
So I would offer that his relationship with his daughter shows exactly the opposite of what many may suspect of Keyes. He is no homophobe and does not hate homosexuals - he thinks homosexual acts are sinful.

Yeah, I'm sure many of his best friends are gays.

Gemini Cricket 02-15-2005 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser
I can't imagine ever telling my child: "Who you are attracted to, through no fault of your own, makes you morally repugnant. We love you but don't want you to ever experience the feeling of being with someone who you care deeply about. Oh, and we are actively doing everything we can to limit your rights constitutionally to ensure that if you do get into a relationship like that, you will never be able to have the same legal protections that your mother and I do."

I've got nothing more to add to this thread but to repeat this awesome quote.
:)

Ghoulish Delight 02-16-2005 12:01 AM

Okay, to be fair, there's an angle here I can understand.

Let's say you're a parent. Your child is a thief. Not just been caught shoplifting once beause a friend dared them, but a truly habitual thief. A compulsive robber. Such a thing exists, habitual criminals that are addicted to it just as someone can be addicted to gambling. There are laws against it, you consider it a deplorable act, but they can't help themselves. It's just part of their psyche, who they are. Do you still love them? Do you still not respect their actions?

Now, I in know way compare theft and homosexuality. However, this is where these parents are coming from. They DO believe homosexuality is wrong, just as you would believe theft is wrong. But just because your child does something wrong doesn't mean you don't love them, nor does it mean you don't still think the act is wrong. So while I disagree with the conclusion that the act is wrong, can you at least understand how the seemingly contradictary statements of, "I don't support your actions, and think they should be illegal, but I still love you," isn't as outlandish as it seems?

Not Afraid 02-16-2005 12:08 AM

No, the issue here is the parents wrongly confusing their believe that theivery is wrong with something that is purely natural and good as wrong.

Ghoulish Delight 02-16-2005 02:02 AM

Again, I don't disagree that their conclusion that homosexuality is incorrect. But, the attitude of, "I dislike what you do, but still love you," is neither unheard of, nor misguided.

scaeagles 02-16-2005 06:26 AM

Well said, GD.

Scrooge McSam 02-16-2005 07:59 AM

K then

The bible says eating shellfish is an abomination. Let's say a set of parents truly believes this and forbids their kids to eat same.

Let's also say these parents feel so strongly about this that they're trying to pass laws to prevent everyone from eating shellfish.

This has ceased to be a parent or set of parents trying to guide their children to a better life. It has now become a set of know it all busybodies trying to decide how everyone else lives their life.

Misguided


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