If FISA killed the fourth amendment, it killed it in 1978. Plus, it didn't come into effect until 1791 (I know, irrelevant to the sentiment, just the first pedantic thought I had).

But like I said in the other thread, I don't really care about the immunization. There are other elements of the just passed bill that are, in my opinion, far worse.

I still don't get it.

FISA allows them to wiretap and then ask for permission later. They just didn't ask for it later. It's the gov't that's to blame for not asking for permission. The telecoms have to go along with the request because that's how FISA works. Yes?

I don't completely understand, but I think the telecoms were supposed to keep information private until a warrant was presented. But FISA said no warrant was needed, basically a shoot first, ask questions later type thing. Telecoms violated privacy laws by allowing the taps without warrants.

I could be wrong.

Obama completely reversed his position (I posted links in one of these threads) which is what I am annoyed about. To be expected on stuff, yes. But still annoyed.

As long as Obama's "right" doesn't effect his views on my deciding factors he can move as far "right" as he wants. When it comes down to it they're both going to have to be pretty much center.