Why?

You expected anyone to defend him for the other stuff?

No, Scrooge....not at all. But perhaps an acknowledgement that, yes, Leo isn't just saying he dislikes McCain (as the OP seems to suggest), but he has real policy and personality disagreements and dislikes might be in order. I'm not just saying that I don't like McCain.

IC... Sorry, that wasn't something I thought needed to be said.

You illustrated that quite adequately in your first post.

Because the one thing you agree with him on is the one thing that he wants to use as the driving force behind his campaign which means it's going to be focused on.

You're not just saying that you don't like Obama either. You have a daily reason stemming from whatever current campaign events there are.


This is your thread to do the same with McCain. He has a campaign, too.

OK...I am happy to comment when I see stuff in the news. I don't see anything in the news about McCain....well, that is an exaggeration, but not nearly as much as there is about Obama. That, and there was an Obama thread.

I was contemplating, though, and I would like to add that McCain is an elitist as well. He once said, in support of illegal immigration, that American citizens wouldn't pick lettuce for $50/hour. That was elitist and stupid and showed how absolutely out of touch he is the income of the average American. Hell, I'd pick lettuce for $50/hour, and I'm sure just about everyone here would, too.

Granted, McCain isn't in the news as much. And yes, of course, there was an existing Obama thread. That's precisely why I opened this McCain thread ... and because he's not in the news as much, I won't fault you for not posting as much bile about McCain.



I'm not sure I'd pick lettuce for $50/hour. Well, maybe for a few months.

Well, I certainly wouldn't pick lettuce for $50/hour but I'm sure many Americans would.

I don't actually strongly dislike McCain politically. A significant part of my personal dislike of him has to do with a fear of hearing for 4 or 8 years "my friends" 23 times a day and in every single skit comedy show (which, by the way, is another advantage of Obama; he'll open new employment opportunities for black sketch comedians who have skills beyond rap impersonation).

But my huge disagreements with McCain tend to be in those places where he has been most partisan. I am, for example, stoutly against McCain-Feingold (as I am against any limitation on political contributions by individual humans to any campaign or cause they wish).

And while I won't vote for him, if somehow he gets elected anyway, I won't be super upset by it. At least not with what I currently know of him.

But since I don't like him personally (and have alternative that I do like personally if not so much politically) and do consider his age to be a concern, I'm not going to vote for him.

I'm sorry... I thought we attacked Iraq because of WMDs... I mean 9/11... I mean human rights abuses... I mean... Um... why are we there exactly?

Potential violations of the Gulf War cease fire? That's a new one....

No, that was scaeagles' reason. Invading and occupying every country that violates a cease-fire. Please ask scaeagles where his country, scaeaglesistan, is going to get the money for that kind of thing.