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What LSPE has said before, and bears repeating, is that there is a difference between respecting someone and treating someone respectfully. You can have all the disrespect for someone's views that you like, but if you are in the same room with them and treat them with that derision that you feel, then any possibility of influencing or affecting them will forever go out the window.

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Originally Posted by LSPoorEeyorick (Post 224523)

At the danger of repeating myself, I don't respect Helms or appreciate anything he's done. I've never asked anyone else to show him respect. I don't begrudge anyone from reacting to his death in any way. And I encourage being inspired by the ill someone does and use that inspiration to do good. I don't really understand why people seem to think what I'm saying is bad or flawed, because all I've been trying to say is that we need to break through the walls of bigotry, and that I worry that the way we choose to do that sometimes makes us unable to do that.

Ditto.

I think what Tom and Alex and Strangler Lewis have said really highlights the differences in our arguments. I think that MBC and I are talking about a personal interaction, a way to make a personal difference to people who are like Helms. I think the rest of you are talking about your very understandable anger at Helms himself. And because we are talking about very different things, we will only continue to argue in circles on this.

And I have been trying to defend myself from an implication that my continuing to speak out against Helms, and feeling no sadness at his death, makes me the same as him.

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Originally Posted by LSPoorEeyorick (Post 224529)

Well said.

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Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 224530)

And I have been trying to defend myself from an implication that my continuing to speak out against Helms, and feeling no sadness at his death, makes me the same as him.

..and if by that you are referring to me (or think I said you are full of hatred) you are wrong-

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Please explain then why it is hatred when Helms expressed it- but it is not when you do?

Was it because he had a larger stage from which to project those views?

Is hatred only measured by proportion to those who have access to it?

Was not an accusation that you are full of hate- or are like him in views- however, it seems to me this thread has been full of hatred for what Helms said and did- and I wonder- how is that hatred different? Because it speaks against his form of hatred with another?

I am in the camp with LSPE and MBC- hatred is an emotion I avoid. Hatred hurts me- not the person or view I am "hating".

I'm sorry if you interpreted that as me saying you are full of hate- it was not what I was trying to get across.

The question however- of why is one hate acceptable and one not stands- for me, hate is not acceptable in either form.

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Originally Posted by Nephythys (Post 224587)

... however, it seems to me this thread has been full of hatred for what Helms said and did- and I wonder- how is that hatred different? Because it speaks against his form of hatred with another?....

Not hate, Nephy. Dismay, disgust, and moral outrage, yes. Hate, no.

Oh... by the way:

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Originally Posted by Nephythys (Post 224587)

..and if by that you are referring to me (or think I said you are full of hatred) you are wrong-

(A few pages earlier.)

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Originally Posted by Nephythys (Post 224348)

I suspect your hatred of the man has impaired your ability to read what I said....

For future reference... If you are going to claim you did not say a particular thing, make sure before hand that you actually didn't.

Don't you hate when that happens?

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Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 224599)

Oh... by the way:

(A few pages earlier.)

For future reference... If you are going to claim you did not say a particular thing, make sure before hand that you actually didn't.

Excuse me?

Where in THAT quote did I say you are FULL of hate? You think you posted some kind of "gotcha"?

In this thread it is not a mystery to suspect that your feelings for him are hatred- you corrected that- I however did NOT say you were LIKE HIM or FULL OF HATE.

So- just as YOU want to be seen accurately, you could do ME the same courtesy! Just as you do not want people ascribing an emotion to you that you say you are not feeling- I would expect you not to put words in my mouth- I said NOTHING of the sort.

...or is there some double standard here?