Hey, and if you absolutely hate the group site, you can totally blame me, and I'll never suggest one again for future events. And, I commend you for giving it a chance. ;)

All we are saying
is give peace a chance...

oh, and i knew those dates would be somewhere too close to the cruise to work, but - hehehe- i didn't know they were the ACTUAL cruise dates.

Figures.

BTW iSm (totally off topic): I can't help but stare at your avatar every time you post. I LOVE that photo!

And, well, we'd still have to get the Group Site reservation.

I would personally still vote for Sheep Creek over the group camp. Like I've said before, four of us specifically scoped out many campsites there for a future Swank Camp. We had no idea it would be the very next year. But I don't see why we don't go with the investigation legwork that was put in.


Again, just my one-man's vote.

Is the group site at Cedar Grove? Is there a map of the site anywhere?

Didn't you agree with the leg work that Disneyphile and Frodo Potter did? I thought that is what you posted.

Um, no, I never wrote that. I'm agreeing that their dates and choice of National Park ... as one of only two dates posited, and the ONLY ONE included in your list, Kevy, was the defacto winner.

So I went on to urge, as I always and consistently have ... that we consider using the campsites that Not Afraid, €uroMeinke, Nirvanaman and myself visited last year for the express purpose of determining a location for the future Swank Camp in Kings Canyon.

If this year IS that future Swank Camp, why not use the sites we personally visited and approved?


Has anyone visited this Group Camp? Seen it with their own eyes? It seems to me, and perhaps I'm incorrect, that the desire to have a reserved site is trumping all other considerations. But I am constrained to again point out that it is our reasonable bid for security which has us going to Kings Canyon for the second year in a row, instead of trying for Yosemite.

Ok, I understand and appreciate that. For the dates that work for most people, Yosemite would be too big a gamble. OK, so we choose Kings Canyon which is far less a gamble. Are we willing to take a sight-unseen site over a personally scoped-out campground in some kind of (imo) misguided effort at complete security?

Personally, I think choosing an unseen group camp over a visited campground to be a far greater gamble.

Why don't we get a map of the group campsite? From the description, it seems all group sites are by the river. If we can get a general location we can look at it via Google earth. Or we can trust on a description from the ranger and specifically ask how the group sites compare to the Sheep Creek campsites that are on the Kings Riverfront and border Sheep Creek.

There is NO guarantee that the Sheep Creek sites will be available anyways. They are beautiful spots and usually go first.

OK - my bad. I mistook DP's location suggestion for her previous site suggestion (eighth post of this thread). Is Crane Flat an option (I don't know and I don't have the energy to look at this point)? Since it is (per DP's claim) only 20 minutes from Yosemite, do we want to consider that location?