Ha ha! That's pretty funny. :D

That's exactly how I'd rank them.

Me two! While TOS is special, TNG is my fave. I watched an episode of each tonite in fact and TOS was painfully cheesy in the special effects department. It was great for the time period and the time alloted to make them and the small budget.

Ahh - this thread only serves to remind me of how much I hate Comcast since they removed all the science-named channels from the basic and basic HD programming (the HD doesn't have Spike, which also shows some Spike in the afternoons - not that I'm home to watch it) about a year and a half ago. I mean, seriously... I look through the guide, and there's all this Trek going on, and I CAN'T FRIGGING WATCH IT!!

When I was going to school (Round II, for those keeping track), I probably caught the majority of Voyager at least three times. It was always during my "off time" between school and work. *sigh* Thems was great relaxing moments.

Everyone seems to think that Vger was better than DS9, though I disagree. Discuss?

For me, DS9 had better plots and better acting. Vger did have the actual starship and old school set up. I did like the characters about as much as in DS9 but the plots got silly very quickly. Janeway's whispering....lordy.


ETA - love the youtubery, Alex. The camera shake put it over the top.

I rank the two nearly equally, though if forced to pick I'd take DS9, at least the first few seasons. Quark and Odo were good characters and I felt the show overall was better quality.

Once again, Wil Wheaton is in my head verbalizing what I can't. His review (review is SFW, but it's over at Suicide Girls which is NSFW) sums thing up perfectly for me. Not only because I agree 100%, but because I had the exact same thoughts and feelings, he just was able to put it down in words that I couldn't.

Can't read that from work (not going anywhere near Suicide Girls even if isn't blocked by the proxy -- which I'm not going to test) but did see his blog comments right after seeing it.

It would be interesting to see if he did a write up with one of his former hats on. For some web site he used to review episodes of Next Generation and pretty mercifully mocked all the writing and story sillinesses.

As for me, in pondering the movie over the last week, it is suprising. Yes, there was a drop in regard after the experience passed, but it hasn't continued. I'm still simultaneously remembering the fun of watching it and the stupidity of it all I was noticing while watching it. That pleases me.

Probably still won't see again for a very long time (I think Voyage home is the last movie I've seen more than once).

I never took to the characters on DS9. I tried and tried, but couldn't like most of them (exceptions were Odo and Quark -- in fact, I think the Ferengi were the best thing about the show, being such a classic Roddenberryish race who's entire point was to point out human foibles).

The soap-operaish plots also didn't work for me (I similarly faded from following Next Gen when they went on a Klingon soap opera binge for most of a season).


For Voyager, I preferred the Starship setting right from the get-go, and took a shine to most of the characters. Most especially Captain Janeway (omg, one of my occassional girl-crushes) and The Doctor. Mostly, though, and some of you will appreciate this -- I found the stories in the first couple of seasons to be very psychedelic-drug influenced.

I'm not sure if the writers were drug afficianados, and I've been wrong about that sort of thing before (turns out Pink Floyd weren't into psychedelics, they were boozers). But I could swear most of the episodes were penned by people who had done a lot of acid or mushrooms or peyote or all three at once.

Hence, loved Voyager.

The Star Trek writers talk about how some of the stupids were handled. Whether in cut footage or at least in their minds while writing.

My responses using the pages section headers:

Why Time Travel - The time travel part didn't actually bother me at all. It is a well established event in Star Trek. I do understand the view that a complete canon-separating reboot was a bit of a bait and switch but it doesn't bother me.

The Corvette - Glad they cut the scene that would have set it up even better. Too bad they didn't cut the entire thing.

Families on Board - This explanation helps, wish they would have made it clearer. Though it does still raise concerns about fraternization (but is part of canon; Kirk officiates a wedding between crewmembers in season one of the original series).

25 Year Wait - Does really help explain one of the bigger stupids in the movie, though it would raise another (why would the Klingons have done nothing with a ship from 180 years in the future except leave it around for escaping prisoners to steal back).

Coincidence on Hoth - Better a stupid coincidence than the mystical mumbo-jumbo they wanted. That would have been even stupider (though I suspect that iSm would have been keen on it; but we have pretty different world views).

Next on Jerry Springer - No problem at all with the Uhura/Spock relationship so no explanation needed.

Green Girll Blues - Thought this was somewhat self evidence, no reason to have wasted time on it. Played fine even if you didn't know how exactly he cheated the test.

Spock, Meet Spock - Also no problem (and also the same as how I answered someone's similar point earlier)

All Blowed Up - Stupid explanation. Why would a mining ship be designed to travel through black holes. Does this mean that Spock's was also so designed? Somehow this was all part of the plan? Also doesn't deal with any of the other black hole stupid in the movie.

Lens Flares: The Movie - Didn't bother me once I got used to it but I'm hearing from some that it gets more annoying on successive viewings.

Explosion Surfing - Their explanation of the stupid is just as stupid. Event horizons are determined entirely by gravity and spin, an explosion isn't going to change it. Unless I'm wrong but I don't think I am.