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Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 225332)

I think I'm getting old, or just mean. Or both.

For months, Ken and I have been waiting for our complex to reinstall the fences on either side of our patio, which would privately enclose it, like it is supposed to be.

Well, the kids who live here love to run up and down the whole length of the building, especially across our patio. And they are loud and have left trash behind, etc.

So, we placed our two benches sideways across our patio where the fences are supposed to go to hopefully prevent the running back and forth and keep them out of our area. We also placed our two very thorny rose bushes along that length of patio as well, to discourage them from just climbing over or jumping the benches.

So, does this mean we officially hate kids yet?

I just hate having to raise other people's children. When I was a kid, I was taught not to enter other people's yards and driveways when out playing, and it didn't "restrict my childhood" one bit. Are manners just not taught these days?

I grew up mostly in southern California, and that is what I was taught as well. But we spent 3 years in suburban upstate New York when I was 9-11. There were no fences between yards there, and we kids played everywhere.

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 225345)

Here's an example of why I think replay would be bad on anything but the most resettable of decisions, replay for everything leads to trouble:

Scenario 1
Two outs. Batter hits a stinger to third. Third baseman makes a diving catch and makes a snag that is rules a clean catch. Third out. Batter never even makes it 20 feet down the baseline before stopping and heading to the dugout.

Replay shows the ball actually touched the ground before being caught. It was definitely a ball in play but there would have still been a chance of making the out at first anyway. Do you:

1. Award the runner first
2. Assume he'd have been out anyway
3. Continue the at bat (but with what count)

Scenario 2:
Runner on third. Batter swings at pitch and the ball goes straight back to the backstop. Umpire calls it a foul tip. Runner stays at third. Replay shows it was actually a clear miss by the batter and the pitch was actually a passed ball. If correctly called the runner on third probably would have scored. Do you:

1. Award the runner home place and score the run
2. Run the exact situation through a sabremetric database to calculate the historical odds of scoring on that play and then roll a die to determine the outcome.
3. Leave the runner on third (in which case, why have the replay)

I don't see either situation as reviewable (even with Instant Replay)

How is IR used in football? Isn't it used rather successfully there?

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket (Post 225361)

How is IR used in football? Isn't it used rather successfully there?

Yes. Very much so. I really like the College Football review system where it is done from the booth and most times a coach doesn't need to challenge a call because an official will call for a review before it becomes necessary. In pro football The Coach has the ability to challenge the call on the field twice in a game. However if the call is not overturned his team loses a time-out. If a coach is succssful twice in a game he is awarded with an extra chance.

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket (Post 225361)

How is IR used in football? Isn't it used rather successfully there?

Someone else can get into the details (I am not sure which plays are "reviewable", but I do know that the team that requests the review is charged a time-out of the play is not reversed after review). But IMO, it doesn't work for the same reason I don't want it in baseball: it interrupts the flow of the game.

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 225308)

Heh, I'd forgotten how awesome the video for that is. Love that song.

It is almost sad how excited I got watching those robots dance. Good stuff!!!!

I was thinking that the NFL System would be better for Baseball but there is nothing that really could be taken away from a manager if a challenged call is not overturned in his team's favor.

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Originally Posted by Disneyphile (Post 225332)

Well, the kids who live here love to run up and down the whole length of the building, especially across our patio. And they are loud and have left trash behind, etc.

I would guess the kids probably don't know that you consider that your private space. As far as they are concerned the world is theirs to play in. Have you talked to them or their parents to express your concerns?

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Originally Posted by BDBopper (Post 225366)

I was thinking that the NFL System would be better for Baseball but there is nothing that really could be taken away from a manager if a challenged call is not overturned in his team's favor.

cue George Carlin Baseball vs Football routine

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket (Post 225361)

How is IR used in football? Isn't it used rather successfully there?

Yes, it is used in football to decent effect.

But, football benefits from a couple of things. First, there is only one important thing that has to be determined for any given play: where should the ball be and did it get to where it is fairly? Therefore it is easy is generally simple to reset the game to where it was before a call was made. The catch was made with one foot out of bounds therefore the play didn't count so go back to where it was or yes it was a good catch so it stays where it is.

Baseball isn't so simple. On a hit to right field with a person on first. Sure, replay could tell you that the at bat should have continued because it was actually foul but turn it around (oops it was called foul but is fair) and what should happen? On a called fair ball maybe the guy on first only advances to second or maybe he saw an opportunity and would have tried stretching to third where he's thrown out in a close play. Or the batter would have slipped and fell coming out of the batter's box (it does happen every once in a while) and would have been thrown out at the plate.

Whereas in football replay is generally a determination of what ACTUALLY happened (since it is just focused on the ball). Widespread use of replay in baseball would too often require, when overturning a decision on the field, making guesses as to what PROBABLY would have happened.

But yeah, there are moments when it would be safe to use replay, I just don't feel there is so much horrible error, and what there is (unlike in the NBA) is pretty neutral, that it is needed.