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Alex 05-22-2007 09:47 AM

Does it hold true that any compromise is inherently better than inaction?

To me it doesn't. For even if the compromise itself it not inherently bad it will leach momentum away from efforts to achieve the ideal. "Let's just get this bit done and then we'll work on the rest" has a very bad habit of morphing into "well, we did that bit, so lets just move on."

Ghoulish Delight 05-22-2007 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth (Post 137976)

I am really hating politics of late. Is there no one out there who has conviction and the courage to stand for....something?

He hasn't exactly gone out of his way to take any bold stands, but so far I'm respecting Obama simply because more often than not I've heard him saying, "I'm the right candidate because..." rather than, "The other candidates [on either side of the aisle] suck because..." I appreciate that. I'm sure people will be happy to find counter examples, I'm just saying I've heard it less from him than anyone. I hope he continues in that vein.

That, and while it may hurt his electibility, I consider his relative lack of political experience a huge bonus to his qualifications.

sleepyjeff 05-22-2007 10:17 AM

Bill Richardson is running and Newt is thinking about it:)

scaeagles 05-22-2007 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman (Post 138003)
And yet, popular or not - - frankly, I'm glad to see the Legislature proceed with a compromise that pleases no-one. I think it's the essense of represenative government - i.e., no winner takes all, but a compromise that addresses concerns of either side, but - of necessity - none addressed fully.

Isn't this the best way of assuring that nothing works well?

I'm a too many cooks spoil the broth kind of guy.

scaeagles 05-22-2007 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup (Post 137971)
7 were Democrats, and one was a Republican....John McCain.

There is a movement in AZ (and I doubt it will go anywhere) to get McCain to resign. It isn't because of his position on this bill per se (thought I'm sure that comes into play), but because in this session of Congress he has missed 50% of the votes.

I don't care if you're running for President....fulfill the responsibility of the office you hold. His argument is that the votes he has missed hasn't mattered because they were one sided anyway. I say they matter because he can successfully take himself off the record on 50% of recent votes.

scaeagles 05-22-2007 09:34 PM

To change the subject a bit, here's another reason I am hating all politicians at the moment....

House votes to sue OPEC

What the hell? These people have no concept. What gets me is the vote tally.

We can't drill for our own oil. We can't increase our refinery capacity. But by golly, we can sue OPEC for cutting their production. Doing this not only accomplishes nothing, but it will most likely have the opposite effect with China and India importing more and more oil to feed their growing economies.

At least those tough legislators can tell their constitutents they stood up to OPEC for lower gas prices. A$$holes.

Alex 05-22-2007 09:42 PM

Interesting, since we're the primary controllers of the oil production in one of the OPEC member countries (Iraq). (Just for the record, I know that Iraq oil is excluded from the OPEC production quotas and therefore has nothing to do with the effects of OPEC manipulating production.)

I'm not clear where exactly we'd be suing them? In American courts? And then seizing assets?

scaeagles 05-22-2007 09:47 PM

This would lead me to believe that it will be in American courts (should it ever happen) -

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His measure would change antitrust laws so that the Justice Department can sue OPEC member countries for price-fixing, and would remove the immunity given a sovereign state against such lawsuits.
If it is going to change our antitrust laws, that must mean it would apply to our courts, correct?

Gemini Cricket 06-12-2007 01:25 PM

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On a winter day when bomb blasts at an Iraqi university killed dozens and the United Nations estimated that 34,000 civilians in Iraq had died in 2006, MSNBC spent nearly nine minutes on the stories during the 1 p.m. hour. A CNN correspondent in Iraq did a three-minute report about the bombings. Neither story merited a mention on Fox News Channel that hour.
That wasn't unusual. Fox spent half as much time covering the Iraq war than MSNBC during the first three months of the year, and considerably less than CNN, according to the Project for Excellence in Journalism.
Source
Interesting article about our media.

Not Afraid 06-12-2007 01:28 PM

In comparison, how much time was spent on Paris Hilton?


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