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Ghoulish Delight 10-30-2008 08:29 PM

I might print myself a sign for the back window of my car.

"Freedom and Equality. No on 8"

CoasterMatt 10-30-2008 08:37 PM

What about the real traditional meaning of marriage?

Two people committed to loving and caring for each other.

These people saying that "marriage is in jeopardy" must be in cold, meaningless relationships, if the legal definition of somebody else's marriage determines the value of their own.

JWBear 10-30-2008 09:11 PM

This one was shown twice during Ugly Betty tonight.

alphabassettgrrl 10-30-2008 09:50 PM

But some people *do* gauge their family and their lives by comparison with others. If the club's open to too many other people, they feel less special.

Or they think that gay people can't possibly mean their commitments in the way that straight people do (because getting married at the drive-through chapel in Vegas and getting divorced when the weekend ends is so committed).

Personally I think celebrities have done a lot of damage to the idea of marriage and if anything, I'd like to see *that* change.

Andrew 10-30-2008 10:55 PM

The Sam Jackson ad ran during 30 Rock here in the SF Bay Area. Gave me chills.

BarTopDancer 10-30-2008 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer (Post 248943)
How in the fvck can the Yes on 8 campaign get away with blatant lies about gay marriage being taught in schools in CA just because it is part of the MA curriculum?

Seriously, I'm asking. Isn't that slander or something? It's a complete and utter lie. I know the No on 8 commercials are countering it, but how can they say it to begin with?

Anyone?

innerSpaceman 10-30-2008 11:28 PM

Lies are the currency of political campaigns, and especially of those on the side of EVIL.

Tom 10-30-2008 11:43 PM

The latest Field Poll shows the measure trailing 49-44%. This pollster's last poll, in September had it trailing by 17%.

Cadaverous Pallor 10-31-2008 08:32 AM

We as a culture are ok with being lied to. We may yell about it, but people that lie for gains are not totally ruined for doing so. I tend to have a black and white opinion on this myself, so I get pissed when I think about the concept of lying as an accepted necessary evil. Personally, I can envision a serious system where if you tell outright lies about what your ballot measure will do in order to not only get your measure passed but to actually frighten people, the measure should be disqualified.

This is why I am not a politician :)

Betty 10-31-2008 09:20 AM

Not just disqualified, but under certain circumstances, there should be a penalty involved. Seems like it's okay to say just about whatever you want about these props and other politicians and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Well - I guess you could sue for slander or libel against another person, but a prop. can't sue people it's opponents for lying about it.

The lies can be very outlandish with just an inkling of truth or perceived truth and that's all that matters.

You can't trust any of the ads - and very few people are going to really do the research to find out the truth. And even then, how many people that read the entire prop's literature, actually grasp what it really means.

And one wonders why politics are all effed up and we have budget problems.


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