I beg to differ. The truly patriotic will not be offended.

What NA says- be prepared for roughly the same reception one would get in France (or any other country) for venturing their opinions. Doesn't make them less valid, good or bad, just means people are the same all over this world when it comes to their home turf- they tend to get defensive. I am very interested in what you think, btw, just a caution that others might take exception and to be prepared to argue your position. (Especially if you like Bush). ;)

I'm really, really enjoying watching other dems become the victims of the Clinton's tactics of smearing and distortion. I'm enjoying watching dem pundits and commentators coming around to see them for what I've always thought they were - power hungry to such an extreme that they will say or do anything to maintain it or acquire more.

I will admit I find Obama to be a decent and honest guy, though it is easy to speak of "change" without defining exactly what change is and what the specifics of said change is.

I don't even like Bush anymore. It's been a while.

Heavens to mergatroids, please don't say the Clintons are nasty in a campaign fight. Let it not be so! I'd hate for them to be so unlike other politicians. :eek:


(That said, Bill's attack tactics have sort of backfired on the Clintons)

Technically it backfired on Clinton singular not plural.


Do you think Bill really wants to be first husband? I keep thinking not, which could help explain these rather atypical tactics from the consummate campaigner.

My point is that they have been so revered by the left in general, and their tactics always praised. Now that those same tactics are being used on their own, the left doesn't seem to like it so much.

Of course politics is a dirty game and i don't expect it to be otherwise. I just like that the Clintons are being called on the tactics they've always used against the right.

And looking at Obama, while I would not vote for him, I do respect him. I do not regard him as being the typical dirty campaigner.

I think the point is that Hillary is truly nasty as opposed to just campaign nasty. It's a subtle but rather important point.

I don't know if it's heart medication or the bitterness of age, but I think Bill Clinton's lost a bit of the expansive, intellectual joie de vivre that made him so attractive, at least on paper. I remember seeing him on Jon Stewart a year or two ago, and he seemed so set on getting his digs in on his critics that when Stewart would jump in with jokes, he seemed rattled.

Yeah, um, old. Time will do that to you. Oh, and of course the presidency for 8 years ages you 17.

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Meanwhile, Republicans better get off their high horse about supporting John McCain. Otherwise, he's going to have a hard time winning states that don't allow Dems and Independents to vote in GOP primaries. That's where lots of his support currently is. But that's precisely why he's the MOST ELECTIBLE REPUBLICAN ... sheesh. Get a Clue.


Core Republicans froth at the thought that McCain, as president, might actually cooperate with Democrats to get things done. He's done so in the past. He also has a very consistently conservative voting record, which Republicans tend to overlook. But it's precisely because they can't stand to consider compromise that they might be willing to forego supporting the ONLY Republican that can win a presidential election in the current electoral climate.


That's the kind of thing that sickens me about conseratives and some Republicans. The want the people of our country to be at war with one another. Meanwhile, if McCain wins the GOP nomination, I will consider voting for him. And it's precisely because, though I support Hillary Clinton, I don't particularly want a president who will be loathed by half the nation.


Republicans revel in the fact that half our nation hated George Bush (now two-thirds, btw). Maybe it's a weakness of good people that we'd rather sacrifice something for the sake of others (i.e., our first choice but divisive president for our 3rd choice but more uniting president). I happen to think it's a great strength, if only of character.


But that's the most important kind.